Guild Wars 2

Healix.5819:

Berelious.3290:

pudin.8735:

Underboob is nothing when you have this!

Hey, how’d you pull this one off? (pun intended)

By equipping armor that isn’t designed for your race. At one point, you could transmute racial armor and make it non race restrictive, allowing you to run around like that. This was fixed fairly quickly however.

You can preview this, but it doesn’t work for humans [&AgECWQAA]

Yay! Norns gone wild!

Substance E.4852:

Quizotic.2815:

it all comes down to personal taste.

personally I don’t like the armor so I wont buy it, there for it doesn’t effect me at all

suggested fix, give the males underboob to >.<

Done and done.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/6/6b/Named_armor_heavy_human_male_front.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/1a/Pit_Fighter_armor_human_male_front.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/80/Barbaric_armor_human_male_front.jpg

LOL. I wish all the males in tyria dressed this way=D

Sincerely,
Female player who is ok with underboob armor

Ashabhi.1365:

eekzie.5640:

/snip

What you seem to miss is that it’s not about my opinion.
It’s about the reasonability that people can be appalled by this.

And apparently a lot of people here only care about themselves and show absolutely empathy towards the possibility of this.

/endsnip

ok, let’s say for a moment that the thread is about the possibility that people can be “appalled” at the armor.

I am absolutely sure you speak the truth… There is a group that thinks it’s socially unacceptable.

I have a couple questions for you, if this is truly the case:

1. Why wait until now to post the thread, when it has been in the game for over a year? Did it not “appall” that group before now? It is odd that it only comes up after the Light Human T3 debacle.

2. Why is it that if the thread is not about your opinion, you keep saying “I” this, and "I: that?

3. Finally, how can you care about yourself and show absolutely empathy towards the possibility that you are in the minority on this one? (yes…in case you missed it, these are your own words directed back at you.)

1. A-net seems to finally listen in on forum posts since as of recent.

2. Because my opinion, even though it’s not needed for the point I’m making, is making it easier to express what is wrong with the armor.

3. I’m not sure what minority or majority’s stand on this have to do with anything. The biggest problem that this thread has already shown is that people perceive me as a prude who think too much of pixels. This is not the case. But that leads to the problem being that people can show no empathy towards what is really the problem. That leads me back to point 1. People are having a hard time understanding why underboob is not acceptable, hence I need to express my opinion to enlighten them.
Then, they take it as ‘my opinion is just an opinion on the topic’, while what I’m trying to do is show them why such a design has no place in a game. And so far it has only resorted to simple kittening.

I’ll try to reword it a little to make it more clear.
It is not about personal opinions and that includes mine.
The problem is that the target audience consist of people who have good reasons to have a negative opinion on this subject. I’ve given examples as to why they are well based opinions.

The discussion shouldn’t be whether you ‘’like underboob’’ or not. It’s whether or not underboob is acceptable in a game. And then, for once, please take in mind that it’s not about your personal opinion.

Many people agree with the OP and posted their opinions in the original thread that unfortunately got closed. To say that noone shares his opinion, just because he stands here opposed by a very vocal group, does not make sence. A tiny fracture of the GW2 player base reads the forums. Even fewer people actually post here. And since this is a game that people play for fun, many choose not to protest even if they see something that they do not like.

The main issue is not that people may get offended by seeing other people’s characters running around in an armor showing underboob.

The issue is that in an already limited selection of non trenchcoat armors, the designers choose to show underboob on the highest tier medium armor. With this decision they automatically prevent players who are not ok with their characters having this look to acquire this exclusive armor. Since the core concept of the armor is beautifully designed, full of gorgeous details, they are left thinking: I want this and I would have gotten it had it not been for the underboob.

In a game that is all about the looks, the highest tier armor should not be left unaccessible to people that draw the line on how much revealing is too much. There is a huge difference between the bra support in other skimpy armors, and what we have to deal with here.

We live in a society with established social norms and in most civilized countries a woman wearing an outfit showing underboob in public would most likely be detained for indecent exposure. Furthermore, no self respectful woman will show herself in public exposing her underboobs to the eye. It is in no way empowering nor tasteful. Please note that I am talking about public situations. Whatever people choose to do in the privicy of their own homes, is something else that does not have a place on these forums.

If having an armor this skimpy, is so sought out by certain players, the designers could have easly made an underboob armor sellable by a karma vendor or by gems and keeping the cultural armor appealing for a larger playerbase.

I’ve always found the t3 medium to be terribly ugly and the underboob ridiculous.

Perhaps in the real world this type of top would not be advisable, however there is no reason why, in a game, this particular top (which is, incidentally, less revealing than other armour tops) is so objectionable.

I don’t particularly like the human t3 light leggings so have gone with something different for my caster – I don’t care about the t3 leggings being changed to something else because other people like it and it’s no skin off my nose. It’s that simple.

IceVyper.6810:

In a game that is all about the looks, the highest tier armor should not be left unaccessible to people that draw the line on how much revealing is too much. There is a huge difference between the bra support in other skimpy armors, and what we have to deal with here.

There will never be an armour set that every single player will like. Many people like the medium top; many people don’t. And sorry but in a fantasy game, what is the logic to why showing one area of the breast is worse than showing more of a different area of the breast?

IceVyper.6810:

Furthermore, no self respectful woman will show herself in public exposing her underboobs to the eye. It is in no way empowering nor tasteful. Please note that I am talking about public situations.

I would agree that most women would prefer not to show underboob in the real world, however I also would not wear stuff like this, this and this in public. Should these also be changed? Am I more self-respecting than those who only object to the t3 medium top? Or is it perhaps that the armour in this game wasn’t designed to be worn out on the street but on our characters. In a game. In a world that is very different to our own.

I’m honestly not sure if all of these posts are actually serious or if this is just one massive troll. There is enough variety in armour here that you can choose anything from revealing to chaste; complaining about this one medium top just boggles the mind, especially when compared to the lingerie armour in most other MMORPGs.

But, it’s not in public, it’s in a game. A privately-owned game. Where everyone has the choice to play, dress their characters in armor of their choice, and boycott any armors they do not care for. I’m not sure how or why it would be considered part of the ‘public’ part of society. Nor why one would think that those not partaking in the forum discussions would be the majority that feel this particular armor is ‘indecent’. There is no more indication that is so, than there is that it isn’t so.

The very fact that it isn’t in public but in the game is the reason why such armors exist. This is a game, a fantasy. It’s OK to do stuff that isn’t “allowed” in the real life because of that. It’s even a big reason why we play games in the first place.

Of course the posts opposing this armor are serious and have valid reasons.

Several people have already explained that showing underboob is in no way equal to having your character wear a bra-like armor. If people cannot see that, I am not going to keep and repeating the same arguments all over.

The issue is that people are prevented from purchasing the tier 3 armor because of said underboob.

Simply saying that it is a game, go get another armor, does not cut it for me. Do I have to explain why? I want my characters to have the best possible armor and the hardest to get.

Tier 1 and 2 are cheap, have less detailes, don’t dye as well.
All dungeon armors have a trench coat, except the AC one which is nothing special.
The orders armors are either a trench coat or big and bulky.
The named set (Nika, Errol etc), is too simple and dyes badly.
The Vyper set looks too bulky on a female human.
The Krytan set has been here forever and there is nothing special about it.
All other gem store armors have thrench coats.

I am not questioning the armor’s existance. I am questioning why the underboob has to be on the Tier 3 amor, when it could have been placed somewhere else.

So now it is ok, as long as it is not on the armor you think shows most prestige?
I am sorry, but even when you say “it is not opinion” all I see in your arguments is opinions, not facts.
Showing one part of a breast rather than another makes no difference.

And who are you to say what some women find empowering? Everyone is different and have different ways of expressing themselves. Now I would not wear it in public in rl, but the game is not rl.

To each their own I guess. OP, you don’t like that armor and that’s fine, but there are many who do, and as such you have no right to demand its change. Underboob is no better or worse than massive amounts of cleavage. It is just skin, get over it. I can only imagine the fits you have when you character puts on a set of diving goggles. chuckle

This game is pretty balanced for revealing vs non-revealing armor imo. Additionally, it’s skimpy armors tend to be less skimpy than many other games I have perused.

As a women in real life, I have very little issue with that bit of underboob in pixels. As I said before, its just skin.

IceVyper.6810:

The issue is that people are prevented from purchasing the tier 3 armor because of said underboob.

And I’m prevented from buying the Sylvari T3 light because it’s ugly.

Wait, it’s not ugly, it’s more a matter of opinion, I don’t like it.

Which means I didn’t make a light armor using Sylvari at all.

If you don’t like the cultural human medium T3 set, you shouldn’t have made an human.

How many people bought the armor because they liked its general design and decided to accept the underboob?

How many people bought it because of the lack of anything else good looking?

How many people bought it only for the underboob?

How many people would have still gotten it had the underboob been not exposed to beguin with (like in the OPs design suggestion?)

How many people are refraining from buying the armor because of said underboob?

It is a completely different thing to not buy certain armor because you consider it ugly (as the poster above puts it), compared to refraining from buying armor because of the message it sends.

Telling me to not have made a human in the first place is as unconstructive advice as telling me to don’t buy the armor if I don’t like it.

Also, ridiculing the OP and the people that support him does not help your posts to be taken seriously.

Zeefa.3915:

Why is this up again? There is nothing wrong with that armor set and asking for a change because of personal ideals of a single person is not an option. (Yes they are just your personal feelings, not the be all end all truth)

Ask for more armor, not changes to those already there.

still, after how Anet reacted to the flamekissed issue I bet that if enough people whine about it they will change the design

@IceVyper – if the OP had simply asked for more gear variety, I’d be among the first to support that. But that’s not what they asked for. They asked for removal of a a piece of armour they disagreed with for personal reasons. I -completely- tolerate people who don’t want to wear skimpy armour, but these people need to develop some tolerance of their own instead of trying to force their personal views on everyone else by getting the developers to remove revealing armour from MMOs entirely.

oh god, this is still up.

1. This feels like… an attempt to bank in on the recent Flamekissed issue to either a) feel glad abt themselves for also being able to “affect” the game to their liking by screwing aportion of the community or b) to get some form of payback on some segment of community over the mentioned issue. I do hope im wrong because if it is, its in poor taste.

2. Why is it there are still attempts to say its “not abt my opinion” when the entire thing is abt opinions. Fact is this wouldnt seem odd enough if it was a regular discussion of opinions.

3. And for the fun of it, to reply one of the Qs up there. I do not haf medium human t3, because my friend has it, and i dont want to dress our toons alike. my friend bought it because of liking the design, specifically more so for the underboob. Had my friend not have it, i would certainly have gotten it… for the same reasons. I’m not using this as any part of an argument about majorities or what not.

IceVyper.6810:

Telling me to not have made a human in the first place is as unconstructive advice as telling me to don’t buy the armor if I don’t like it.

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it’s a well known fact in this game that the end game is pretty much get pretty armor, that being said the entire time the games been out YOU BASE YOUR CHARACTER OFF WHAT ARMOR YOU WANT OR THEIR RACIAL ARMOR. that’s been pounded into our head since day one! if you didn’t like a racial armor than you shouldn’t have chosen that race.

Playing a female human is one of the most popular character choice that people make. Just go to LA and look around. There are people that like humanoid characters and do not want to play other races but human and norns. When making a thief, many of those same people would prefer a human because they are more agile, tiny etc.

Me and others should not be prevented from playing the race we like and getting a high end armor for it, just because its racial armor was purposely made to provoke.

As a person who strongly opposed the introduction of the flamekissed armor, I can assure you that I am not trying to get back on anyone.

If people hadn’t gotten rude in the original thread and gotten it closed, you would have seen the suggestions for a SEPARATE armor piece, looking just like the current one but covering the underboob.

Kimyrielle.3826:

@IceVyper – if the OP had simply asked for more gear variety, I’d be among the first to support that. But that’s not what they asked for. They asked for removal of a a piece of armour they disagreed with for personal reasons. I -completely- tolerate people who don’t want to wear skimpy armour, but these people need to develop some tolerance of their own instead of trying to force their personal views on everyone else by getting the developers to remove revealing armour from MMOs entirely.

I asked for a simple minor alteration that doesn’t undermine the armor in any way.

generalraccoon.3857:

oh god, this is still up.

1. This feels like… an attempt to bank in on the recent Flamekissed issue to either a) feel glad abt themselves for also being able to “affect” the game to their liking by screwing aportion of the community or b) to get some form of payback on some segment of community over the mentioned issue. I do hope im wrong because if it is, its in poor taste.

2. Why is it there are still attempts to say its “not abt my opinion” when the entire thing is abt opinions. Fact is this wouldnt seem odd enough if it was a regular discussion of opinions.

3. And for the fun of it, to reply one of the Qs up there. I do not haf medium human t3, because my friend has it, and i dont want to dress our toons alike. my friend bought it because of liking the design, specifically more so for the underboob. Had my friend not have it, i would certainly have gotten it… for the same reasons. I’m not using this as any part of an argument about majorities or what not.

1. Simply not the case.
2. I’ve already explained why. Asking the same question over and over again does not help your case.
3. Like I said, this is not about personal opinions of whether or not the armor is good looking.

Like i said before if you really want to talk immaturity in armor design look at Scarlet Blade that thing is a joke . In general GW 2 does a very good job with armor deign in my opinion

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Mikuchan.7261:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

angelpaladin.7921:

ronpierce.2760:

angelpaladin.7921:

Dante.1508:

A group who paid money on an item (Virtual or otherwise) should always out weigh a group that feels their prestige was ruined, no matter what the sizes of the groups are..

Honestly the Armor should stay in game and the prestige complainers should take a good long look at themselves, its a game you play for fun.

Money is real no matter what it buys, these people paid for a service that was systematically taken from them.

I personally feel they should take it to court, these companies cannot keep getting away with these illegal practices..immoral too.

The fact people continue to play after this really is a worry to me.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-content-terms-of-use/

even if u wanted to take this to court u have to jump thought hoops its 10 dollars people need to seriously just get over it and move on.

I am so tired of seeing it compared to everything under the sun here’s a reality check for you guys

It was 10 dollar item <— Reality
It was a Virtual item that does not exist <— Reality
In 10 year’s when this game is dead and gone (servers shut down) all your hard work and progress will be gone <—- Reality.

If the worse thing in your entire life that happens is you wasted 10 dollars on some virtual non existent armor. Then may we all be blessed with such fortune and good luck.

Cultural armor:
It’s a120 in-game currency set <— Reality
It is a Virtual item set that does not exist <— Reality
In 10 year’s when this game is dead and gone (servers shut down) all your hard work and progress will be gone <—- Reality.
Your complaining over something that you could have easily applied to yourself doesn’t ruin it for ANet, it ruins it for the honest players who saw something and bought something that made them happy. <— Reality

at this point regardless of what decision they would have made I felt the same way. They made there decision good or bad so why people keep harping on it like there going to change there minds I dont understand

Because people like to complain… /shrug
The decision has been made. Nothing is going to change that now.

No decision is ever final.
Because of that, complaining (for whatever reason, justified or not) may actually change the decision, for better or for worse.
With your logic ANet made their decision already when they put their armor out. But now that decision has changed so you’re proven wrong.

At this point, you can be pretty sure this one is final. Anet is not going to change their mind because a very small number of players do not like their decision. Let it rest.

They changed their mind in the first place because of a “small number of people”.
But the reason they changed their mind isn’t because of the size of the group that complains. It’s because they saw that they had made a mistake.

eekzie.5640:

Kimyrielle.3826:

@IceVyper – if the OP had simply asked for more gear variety, I’d be among the first to support that. But that’s not what they asked for. They asked for removal of a a piece of armour they disagreed with for personal reasons. I -completely- tolerate people who don’t want to wear skimpy armour, but these people need to develop some tolerance of their own instead of trying to force their personal views on everyone else by getting the developers to remove revealing armour from MMOs entirely.

I asked for a simple minor alteration that doesn’t undermine the armor in any way.

generalraccoon.3857:

oh god, this is still up.

1. This feels like… an attempt to bank in on the recent Flamekissed issue to either a) feel glad abt themselves for also being able to “affect” the game to their liking by screwing aportion of the community or b) to get some form of payback on some segment of community over the mentioned issue. I do hope im wrong because if it is, its in poor taste.

2. Why is it there are still attempts to say its “not abt my opinion” when the entire thing is abt opinions. Fact is this wouldnt seem odd enough if it was a regular discussion of opinions.

3. And for the fun of it, to reply one of the Qs up there. I do not haf medium human t3, because my friend has it, and i dont want to dress our toons alike. my friend bought it because of liking the design, specifically more so for the underboob. Had my friend not have it, i would certainly have gotten it… for the same reasons. I’m not using this as any part of an argument about majorities or what not.

1. Simply not the case.
2. I’ve already explained why. Asking the same question over and over again does not help your case.
3. Like I said, this is not about personal opinions of whether or not the armor is good looking.

If they accede to your unreasonable demand, I’ll have a demand of my own and that’s to have every single gold I spend on that armor set, returned to me. I bought the armor that appealed to ME not the one that appeals to you. I’m not interested in your little cosmetic alterations because I’m satisfied with what I have. I don’t want it changed. Understand?

eekzie.5640:

Kimyrielle.3826:

@IceVyper – if the OP had simply asked for more gear variety, I’d be among the first to support that. But that’s not what they asked for. They asked for removal of a a piece of armour they disagreed with for personal reasons. I -completely- tolerate people who don’t want to wear skimpy armour, but these people need to develop some tolerance of their own instead of trying to force their personal views on everyone else by getting the developers to remove revealing armour from MMOs entirely.

I asked for a simple minor alteration that doesn’t undermine the armor in any way.

generalraccoon.3857:

oh god, this is still up.

1. This feels like… an attempt to bank in on the recent Flamekissed issue to either a) feel glad abt themselves for also being able to “affect” the game to their liking by screwing aportion of the community or b) to get some form of payback on some segment of community over the mentioned issue. I do hope im wrong because if it is, its in poor taste.

2. Why is it there are still attempts to say its “not abt my opinion” when the entire thing is abt opinions. Fact is this wouldnt seem odd enough if it was a regular discussion of opinions.

3. And for the fun of it, to reply one of the Qs up there. I do not haf medium human t3, because my friend has it, and i dont want to dress our toons alike. my friend bought it because of liking the design, specifically more so for the underboob. Had my friend not have it, i would certainly have gotten it… for the same reasons. I’m not using this as any part of an argument about majorities or what not.

1. Simply not the case.
2. I’ve already explained why. Asking the same question over and over again does not help your case.
3. Like I said, this is not about personal opinions of whether or not the armor is good looking.

1. I hope so. Because the flamekissed issue is recent, and its odd that only now a serious… request is made on an armor thats been around since launch.
2. its not about asking the question again, really. my point there is simple. The whole issue is an opinion. one can write there, its not proper, its tasteless, its crude etc without ever saying anything like “i feel that…” or “in my opinion”, it still doesnt make it anymore than an opinion. Frankly i dont even know why this needs clarification. Is there something here, that makes your values universal, that other people MUST be forced to accept your views? Why do you want to force your values on others? Why must we accept ur views?
3. A question, or rather a list of question was asked, not by you, but it was asked, so id just amuse myself to reply extra.

also @Blacklight:
I think some of the… “refund demanders” (from the aforementioned gemstore armor issue) have asked a return of their other investments on other stuffs like dyes, matching (expensive) weapon skins that they bought to complement the look. Seriously speaking,

eekzie.5640:

(snip)

The discussion shouldn’t be whether you ‘’like underboob’’ or not. It’s whether or not underboob is acceptable in a game. And then, for once, please take in mind that it’s not about your personal opinion.

It’s acceptable and I don’t agree with your suggestion to modify the armor. People bought it for what it is or they would get refunded. Am I on topic? Is my post revelant to you because I’m saying it’s acceptable and it’s my opinion?

Not referring to anyone in particular, but I would be great if the people who disagree with the OP would refrain from the condecending tone in their comments.

I imagine this will be one of the armor’s “fixed” for China’s version.

A very easy solution would be that the people who already purchased the armor keep it as it is, and after a certain update, all newly required armor has the new slightly modified design. With enough notice, the people craving underboob could still have time to purchase the old armor for their alts.

generalraccoon.3857:

2. its not about asking the question again, really. my point there is simple. The whole issue is an opinion. one can write there, its not proper, its tasteless, its crude etc without ever saying anything like “i feel that…” or “in my opinion”, it still doesnt make it anymore than an opinion. Frankly i dont even know why this needs clarification. Is there something here, that makes your values universal, that other people MUST be forced to accept your views? Why do you want to force your values on others? Why must we accept ur views?

I’m just going to repeat myself.

It is not about personal opinion. It is about opinions being well based on arguments.
Whether that is my view on this armor does not matter. Simply because these opinions can be formed and actually hold solid ground they are valid for judging whether this design is or is not misplaced in the game. It is not about me personally having such an opinion.

Then it is only normal to take these opinions into consideration when judging whether or not the armor is justifyable. I’ve expressed several opinions on well based arguments so that you can take them into consideration on whether or not the armor should be in the game. Others have also posted arguments as to why such an armor is sub-standard. Again, I’ve only given opinions to show how people can think about this armor. This is not about what I think, and it shouldnt be about your personal opinion either. This is about the issue that this armor raises for people. And then you should ask yourself whether or not a small alteration is justifyable to solve it.

SafiMoyo.5130:

As a female, it does bother me. Not enough to ask/want it removed, but enough so that I want…

1.) More choices for female human medium armor. You get one extreme or the other. There’s SO little in between that it barely exists.

2.)Important! Skimpy men armor. If guys get a piece of digital girl candy to stare at, why can’t girls get ours as well?

You can have your underboob, but let me have my undernuts as compensation

im a girl and it doesn not bother me. i have my female characters all wearing skimpy armor, but i would like to have more choices. medium armor needs less coats, more nice tops and pants, both skimpy and elegant.
light armor needs more choices aswell. i liked the phoenix top,mantle, boots and gloves, but didnt like the skirt as much.love the masquerade, but everything clips in it. would love some pants for light armor, would love some more choices of skirts and some elegant dress choices too.
but i agree with u on the male armor. it is always covering and id like to see more skimpy dress choices for males aswell ;-)

IceVyper.6810:

A very easy solution would be that the people who already purchased the armor keep it as it is, and after a certain update, all newly required armor has the new slightly modified design. With enough notice, the people craving underboob could still have time to purchase the old armor for their alts.

Here is an even easier solution. Why not just…NOT purchase the armor you don’t like and let other players have a chance of experiencing the unique artwork of the t3 medium themselves? How hard is that? Is a thread on the forums really necessary demanding a change to a well liked piece or armor? Let me answer that for you, NO IT IS NOT. These types of posts are toxic to the community because there is really no real problem being presented here. The Flamekissed armor fiasco was a different story. I personally did not purchase the t3 medium for my thief because I found the pants to be ugly and the asymmetrical style of the top just looked weird on other bottoms to me, so i opted for the krytan top that’s in the gem store. As a female I don’t find the under boob “offensive” or “impure” in any way, nor would I dress that way irl. So please stop trolling the players of gw2 and go play the game.

megakittytron.5971:

Here is an even easier solution. Why not just…NOT purchase the armor you don’t like and let other players have a chance of experiencing the unique artwork of the t3 medium themselves? How hard is that? Is a thread on the forums really necessary demanding a change to a well liked piece or armor? Let me answer that for you, NO IT IS NOT. These types of posts are toxic to the community because there is really no real problem being presented here. The Flamekissed armor fiasco was a different story. I personally did not purchase the t3 medium for my thief because I found the pants to be ugly and the asymmetrical style of the top just looked weird on other bottoms to me, so i opted for the krytan top that’s in the gem store. As a female I don’t find the under boob “offensive” or “impure” in any way, nor would I dress that way irl. So please stop trolling the players of gw2 and go play the game.

An easy fix would make the armor beautiful for a wider target audience. Doesn’t seem like she’s trolling. I honestly see no reason why they chose for this design in the first place.

And if it’s not offensive or impure for you thats great. But keep in mind others might for good reasons.

I’m asking here to take in consideration that people can get offended by it and that warrents a change. The change I proposed is so slight that the people who have the armor would not mind too much. Therefor I can’t see why you wouldn’t want this.

eekzie.5640:

megakittytron.5971:

Here is an even easier solution. Why not just…NOT purchase the armor you don’t like and let other players have a chance of experiencing the unique artwork of the t3 medium themselves? How hard is that? Is a thread on the forums really necessary demanding a change to a well liked piece or armor? Let me answer that for you, NO IT IS NOT. These types of posts are toxic to the community because there is really no real problem being presented here. The Flamekissed armor fiasco was a different story. I personally did not purchase the t3 medium for my thief because I found the pants to be ugly and the asymmetrical style of the top just looked weird on other bottoms to me, so i opted for the krytan top that’s in the gem store. As a female I don’t find the under boob “offensive” or “impure” in any way, nor would I dress that way irl. So please stop trolling the players of gw2 and go play the game.

An easy fix would make the armor beautiful for a wider target audience. Doesn’t seem like she’s trolling. I honestly see no reason why they chose for this design in the first place.

And if it’s not offensive or impure for you thats great. But keep in mind others might for good reasons.

I’m asking here to take in consideration that people can get offended by it and that warrents a change. The change I proposed is so slight that the people who have the armor would not mind too much. Therefor I can’t see why you wouldn’t want this.

Because you responded to me so politely, I will respond back. I personally would not want this change because the armor design is a work of art (with an underboob poking out) and art should not be changed to please others. For instance, Michelangelo’s famous sculpture “David” shows full fledged nudity, where some people may take offense to exposed privates; but because some people take offense should his sculpture be changed? Should there be a leaf over his private section even though this change would be slight? Consider this analogy and then consider what you are asking here today. I think you will understand why many people are against your proposed changes.

megakittytron.5971:

Is a thread on the forums really necessary demanding a change to a well liked piece or armor? Let me answer that for you, NO IT IS NOT. These types of posts are toxic to the community because there is really no real problem being presented here.

The mere existence of this thread proves the falsity of your assertion. If there really were no problem you wouldn’t see posts like the OP’s and other posts in support.

What I find toxic to the community is yelling that there is no problem in an attempt to curtail discussion.

Oddly, the T3 Medium thread just got merged with the Flamekissed debate. I think they are highly different topics. The former is about questions of taste and whether a risque armor set “cheapens” the game as a whole, while the latter is about exclusivity of cultural armor and the release of a variant of it for gem purchase. But whatever.

Be warned, the two threads of debate won’t make much sense together. I recommend clearly stating which of the two issues you are discussing in any future posts in here.

Donari.5237:

Oddly, the T3 Medium thread just got merged with the Flamekissed debate. I think they are highly different topics. The former is about questions of taste and whether a risque armor set “cheapens” the game as a whole, while the latter is about exclusivity of cultural armor and the release of a variant of it for gem purchase. But whatever.

Be warned, the two threads of debate won’t make much sense together. I recommend clearly stating which of the two issues you are discussing in any future posts in here.

Yeah I’m not entirely sure why this happened.
I doubt it would benefit the discussion for either of the two topics…

megakittytron.5971:

For instance, Michelangelo’s famous sculpture “David” shows full fledged nudity, where some people may take offense to exposed privates; but because some people take offense should his sculpture be changed? Should there be a leaf over his private section even though this change would be slight? Consider this analogy and then consider what you are asking here today. I think you will understand why many people are against your proposed changes.

I see your point. However, “David” is a masterpiece and a scuplture. It is something to behold, admire and also take distance from.

In our case we are talking about a role playing game, where people are playing a character and many of them are identifying with it. The character represents you, and many players do not want it to be showing certain body parts.

In the early days of the game, the Heavy female Arah armor, was showing a fleshy boob and what was edited to the current eddition of the armor with metal covering the entire chest. I do not see how a small alteration to the tier 3 medium armor is different from that.

This merger is very strange as those are two unrelated topics. I am afraid that the valid aguments consercning the Medium Female Armor will get lost in the conversation about people wanting compensation for their flamekissed armor.

Merged? What? They are nothing alike.

I agreed with flamekissed being a terrible move and that it was completely right to remove it.

I disagree that T3 medium should be altered because a few people dislike it (thinks it is offensive).

eekzie.5640:

I’m just going to repeat myself.

It is not about personal opinion. It is about opinions being well based on arguments.
Whether that is my view on this armor does not matter. Simply because these opinions can be formed and actually hold solid ground they are valid for judging whether this design is or is not misplaced in the game. It is not about me personally having such an opinion.

Then it is only normal to take these opinions into consideration when judging whether or not the armor is justifyable. I’ve expressed several opinions on well based arguments so that you can take them into consideration on whether or not the armor should be in the game. Others have also posted arguments as to why such an armor is sub-standard. Again, I’ve only given opinions to show how people can think about this armor. This is not about what I think, and it shouldnt be about your personal opinion either. This is about the issue that this armor raises for people. And then you should ask yourself whether or not a small alteration is justifyable to solve it.

I hope you realise repeatedly saying you’ve made an argument doesn’t make it so. You haven’t in anyway justified why you think this armor is… In your own words un"justifiable" you have merely claimed that because you think it is not, therefore it is not.
This is not an argument.

So here… I am going to do you a favor by giving you a counter argument.

Claiming this armor is unjustifiable is an oppressive attack towards freedom of expression, freedom of sexuality and freedom of artistic expression

Your move.

I think that is is horrible that the moderators would place our topic within another one that has over 44 pages to it irrelevant comments.

We have spent several days argumenting on our case about the MEDIUM ARMOR, and now all that is being lost in between posts about the flamekissed one…

Pleople new to the thread, don’t even have an idea what the discussion is about. How is anyone going to catch up on 44 pages of writing. I can’t even find the original post…

This is a very ugly move

Alice.8694:

eekzie.5640:

I’m just going to repeat myself.

It is not about personal opinion. It is about opinions being well based on arguments.
Whether that is my view on this armor does not matter. Simply because these opinions can be formed and actually hold solid ground they are valid for judging whether this design is or is not misplaced in the game. It is not about me personally having such an opinion.

Then it is only normal to take these opinions into consideration when judging whether or not the armor is justifyable. I’ve expressed several opinions on well based arguments so that you can take them into consideration on whether or not the armor should be in the game. Others have also posted arguments as to why such an armor is sub-standard. Again, I’ve only given opinions to show how people can think about this armor. This is not about what I think, and it shouldnt be about your personal opinion either. This is about the issue that this armor raises for people. And then you should ask yourself whether or not a small alteration is justifyable to solve it.

I hope you realise repeatedly saying you’ve made an argument doesn’t make it so. You haven’t in anyway justified why you think this armor is… In your own words “justifiable” you have merely claimed that because you think it is not, therefore it is not.
This is not an argument.

So here… I am going to do you a favor by giving you a counter argument.

Claiming this armor is unjustifiable is an oppressive attack towards freedom of expression, freedom of sexuality and freedom of artistic expression

Your move.

It’s not ’’claiming’’. This isn’t a black and white subject. I’ve never once said that you should share ones opinion. I said that you should take these opinions in consideration when it comes to armor design and that therefor, to me, it is a poor design choice.

Also this wouldn’t seem like the best way to express freedom of sexuality or artistic endeavours much. There’s way better ways. So your argument doesn’t hold much ground.

eekzie.5640:

It’s not ’’claiming’’. This isn’t a black and white subject. I’ve never once said that you should share ones opinion. I said that you should take these opinions in consideration when it comes to armor design and that therefor, to me, it is a poor design choice.

Also this wouldn’t seem like the best way to express freedom of sexuality or artistic endeavours much. There’s way better ways. So your argument doesn’t hold much ground.

Putting aside that you haven’t even made an argument as to why it isn’t acceptable. The point of a freedom of expression and artistic license is that you don’t get to judge what is and isn’t in your own words “the best way” to express it, as it is a freedom and what would be the point.

I like the way you try to arrogantly railroad over your opposition by simply claiming they are wrong. But frankly you lack the substance to even form an argument, let alone counter the one I just posed.

You lose, good day sir.

Alice.8694:

eekzie.5640:

It’s not ’’claiming’’. This isn’t a black and white subject. I’ve never once said that you should share ones opinion. I said that you should take these opinions in consideration when it comes to armor design and that therefor, to me, it is a poor design choice.

Also this wouldn’t seem like the best way to express freedom of sexuality or artistic endeavours much. There’s way better ways. So your argument doesn’t hold much ground.

Putting aside that you haven’t even made an argument as to why it isn’t acceptable. The point of a freedom of expression and artistic license is that you don’t get to judge what is and isn’t in your own words “the best way” to express it, as it is a freedom and what would be the point.

I like the way you try to arrogantly railroad over your opposition by simply claiming they are wrong. But frankly you lack the substance to even form an argument, let alone counter the one I just posed.

You lose, good day sir.

I guess you haven’t read what I’ve said then.
I just have high doubts that this would be chosen as an expression of art.
And you don’t have anything to back up that argument so I don’t see why I would be convinced.

I’m not trying to sound arrogant. That’s just another false presumption that you like to label me with.

Alice.8694:

Putting aside that you haven’t even made an argument as to why it isn’t acceptable. The point of a freedom of expression and artistic license is that you don’t get to judge what is and isn’t in your own words “the best way” to express it, as it is a freedom and what would be the point.

I like the way you try to arrogantly railroad over your opposition by simply claiming they are wrong. But frankly you lack the substance to even form an argument, let alone counter the one I just posed.

You lose, good day sir.

Plenty of people, myself included, have already agumented why showing underboob on an armor is distastefull.

Also the designers of Arena net, obviously have no problem in redesigning they works of art, as they already changed the Arah heavy female one several times.

IceVyper.6810:

megakittytron.5971:

For instance, Michelangelo’s famous sculpture “David” shows full fledged nudity, where some people may take offense to exposed privates; but because some people take offense should his sculpture be changed? Should there be a leaf over his private section even though this change would be slight? Consider this analogy and then consider what you are asking here today. I think you will understand why many people are against your proposed changes.

I see your point. However, “David” is a masterpiece and a scuplture. It is something to behold, admire and also take distance from.

In our case we are talking about a role playing game, where people are playing a character and many of them are identifying with it. The character represents you, and many players do not want it to be showing certain body parts.

In the early days of the game, the Heavy female Arah armor, was showing a fleshy boob and what was edited to the current eddition of the armor with metal covering the entire chest. I do not see how a small alteration to the tier 3 medium armor is different from that.

Art in itself is something to “behold, admire and also take distance from”. Video Games is an art form hun. Movies and film is art, theatre is art, literature is art. There were artists that stayed up and designed these armors themselves, as well as the environment we play in. Why should the artist change his art??? Now it is the player’s choice to show or not show body parts. I think it is obvious that we all have that choice in this game. The t3 medium is not being forced upon your toon in any way. Now I do remember the Arah armor and its changes, but that was waaay at the start of the game where bugs were being ironed out and final changes were being made. Now a full year later is hardly the time to complain about an armor that the players were alright with since the beginning and is now considered (at least by me) to be a unique piece of art work woven into the game. Your arguments are just not solid enough to justify this type of change. Please move on, wear a trench coat on your toon, cuz lord knows there’s plenty of that.

Why was the MEDIUM human t3 thread merged with the Flamekissed debacle? They are totally different issues……

If you had read my previous comments, you’d know that my arguments are very solid. It does not matter how long time has passed, the armor piece is just as distasteful now, as it was when it was introduced.

Thank you for your advice, but I choose to remain here and defend my position.

IceVyper.6810:

If you had read my previous comments, you’d know that my arguments are very solid. It does not matter how long time has passed, the armor piece is just as distasteful now, as it was when it was introduced.

Thank you for your advice, but I choose to remain here and defend my position.

I find it distasteful therefore it should be changed is not a solid argument.

Again, I said the arguments in the previous posts. You are just quoting random sentences of mine, that I used to explain something different to someone else.

this thread should be sealed and burned because it brings up the worst and most idioticly conservative arguments any human could ever rise.

please destroy this thread and dont let it happen again, PLEASE.

shame on you comunity, SHAME ON YOU!