Guild Wars 2

Hello, I see that Arena have improved alot and making many updates and it also looking for new features for the game as always, So i was thinking that it will be good idea to add new feature in game similar to Revenant class, which it is new race with new story and new land for it. Iam sure that Arena can do it because they made new class recently which it not harder as creating new race.

There won’t be a new race in the near future, simply because it is a lot more effort then “just” a class.

A new race means, that every content before ahs to be converted to fit the class, which means:
- Every armor and outfit has to be adjusted to fit.
- A new starter zone with new story, that ties in somwhere
- Several different design options for the class
- Recording and writing a lot of stuff
- Content that takes advantage if the class has to be adjusted (like race specific dialog), throughout the whole game.
- and many other things.

While the game has been improved, it still isn’t at a state, where they can pull reccources into this (unfortunatly).

As for races, there are several possible, all in front the Tengu, followed by the Kodan.

The answer is tonics. Allow tonics to let you use your normal weapons. That will still need some animation work though, but probably still a lot easier than adding a new city, new storyline (with three possible starts), two voice actors, and so on…

This though, is still work for little gain of course.

Hi, I think that it is far-reaching conclusions. First of all we are waiting for LS3.
After LS3 update we will know more.
But all know that new Race (Tengu) will be soon, but only ANet knows correctly when. I think that this Story will tell about DSD. Because first of all we must kill Jormag, -Kralkatorrik and Primordus. It will be a long process and no-one knows where is DSD. Maybe Tengu know? But these are my guesses.

“I am sure that Arena can do it because they made new class recently which it not harder as creating new race.”

Yeah, You are right. Making story and culture should be a pleasure. But making new classes is very hard- new skills, new traits, new mechanics, new effects. I respect ANet, because They made it, and Revenant is very helpful class. And new magical skills are very extended.

Please not another psychotic race of GW1 murdering xenophobes.

@penelopehannibal.8947 While tonics would give the look of a “new” race, it takes away from everything that would make a new race interesting. I would be very very disapointed if they went this route. Much rather live without if thats what they’d do.

@Teofa Tsavo.9863 Why not? Just don’t play it if you don’t like it (I know… crap response). Tengu are not that (or not just that). In GW1 Factions, we had friendly allied tengu, and the tengu that were hostile, were not exactly at war with the humans, the way charr were. Actually… thinking about it the human race could be considered murdering xenophobes in the past aswell.

I want a new race. Just one would do, but it absolutely has to be tengu. Can’t see any of the other races that are not yet playable become so… yes I can’t see kodan as playable, sorry (I would not complain if it happened though).
But yeah don’t see us getting a new race, tengu or otherwise, anytime soon… if ever.

As of right now they should just focus on giving us LS3.

Shrug. Yes, there were a tiny bunch of non aggro Tengu in Factions. I wouldn’t call them friendly.

Meanwhile the vast majority of Canthan Tengu, and all of the Tyrian tribes would have just as soon gutted you on sight. In fact they killed everything that entered their territory that wasn’t Tengu.

Plus we have the “modern” enlightened GW2 Tengu, who calmly stood at their precious gate in LA shooting down any refugee that ventured too close.

Bad enough the Charr got snowflaked into being our “pals”. They don’t need to whitewash another historical enemy that remains both xenophobic and ultra Territorial that did nothing in the struggle to destroy Zhaitan and Shrub Dragon but observe.

penelopehannibal.8947:

The answer is tonics. Allow tonics to let you use your normal weapons. That will still need some animation work though, but probably still a lot easier than adding a new city, new storyline (with three possible starts), two voice actors, and so on…

This though, is still work for little gain of course.

Potion of Ascalonian Mages works in combat. Should be more like that.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Potion_of_Ascalonian_Mages

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Shrug. Yes, there were a tiny bunch of non aggro Tengu in Factions. I wouldn’t call them friendly.

Meanwhile the vast majority of Canthan Tengu, and all of the Tyrian tribes would have just as soon gutted you on sight. In fact they killed everything that entered their territory that wasn’t Tengu.

Plus we have the “modern” enlightened GW2 Tengu, who calmly stood at their precious gate in LA shooting down any refugee that ventured too close.

Bad enough the Charr got snowflaked into being our “pals”. They don’t need to whitewash another historical enemy that remains both xenophobic and ultra Territorial that did nothing in the struggle to destroy Zhaitan and Shrub Dragon but observe.

So the good GW1 people who sacrificed their own people were perfect?
The Kurzick and Luxon who hated each other?
The war in Elona?
The family feud of the Ascalon humans?

Yes, by all means, the GW1 humans were the only race that is deemed worthy.

I mean yes, Charr are our “pals” right now, but only after 250 years we reached that point and the groundwork was laid out in? Yes, GW1 in Eye of the North.

Oh and we still have the angry I kill all human Charr as well. We meet them in the Citadel of Flame for example.
Or when they try to sabotage the peace treaty near Ebonhawke

Did you ever took a step back and ask why the other races hated humans in the past and might not now?

Tengu have clear reasons why they behave like that. They fought for territory with humans (white mantle for example) on Tyria and in Cantha they were treated as outcasts mostly. The xenophobe emperor that took over wasn’t helping either. The ones we got on Tyria are refugees who build a wall, because they don’t trust the other races anymore.
It’s not like there are similiar things that happened thorughout history.

The world isn’t black and white and people/races change.

If Anet ever cave to the people that want this I will be super kittened. All that dev work for a freaking skin. Blech.

Pretty sure with a game this old and even though it hasn’t received a single new race since launch people would rather have new dungeons, skills, and weapon combinations.

Obviously we aren’t going to get any of that we had elite specializations however that was a single new weapon, altered the class mechanics, and only a few skills while during that same time frame reducing visual display for the sake of E-sports. People talk about dev work and effort but they hardly ever talk about the breath of time since release and why nearly 4 years has produced so little.

Race would be nice but a race would require new racial skills and the core none elite specialization classes remain unchanged for years aside for nerfs. A Mesmer is a Mesmer and will remain unchanged for most likely the rest of this games lifespan while chrono and other elites will be locked behind expansions.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Please not another psychotic race of GW1 murdering xenophobes.

I’m sorry, but Humans have been playable from the very beginning.

Jaken.6801:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Shrug. Yes, there were a tiny bunch of non aggro Tengu in Factions. I wouldn’t call them friendly.

Meanwhile the vast majority of Canthan Tengu, and all of the Tyrian tribes would have just as soon gutted you on sight. In fact they killed everything that entered their territory that wasn’t Tengu.

Plus we have the “modern” enlightened GW2 Tengu, who calmly stood at their precious gate in LA shooting down any refugee that ventured too close.

Bad enough the Charr got snowflaked into being our “pals”. They don’t need to whitewash another historical enemy that remains both xenophobic and ultra Territorial that did nothing in the struggle to destroy Zhaitan and Shrub Dragon but observe.

So the good GW1 people who sacrificed their own people were perfect?
The Kurzick and Luxon who hated each other?
The war in Elona?
The family feud of the Ascalon humans?

Yes, by all means, the GW1 humans were the only race that is deemed worthy.

I mean yes, Charr are our “pals” right now, but only after 250 years we reached that point and the groundwork was laid out in? Yes, GW1 in Eye of the North.

Oh and we still have the angry I kill all human Charr as well. We meet them in the Citadel of Flame for example.
Or when they try to sabotage the peace treaty near Ebonhawke

Did you ever took a step back and ask why the other races hated humans in the past and might not now?

Tengu have clear reasons why they behave like that. They fought for territory with humans (white mantle for example) on Tyria and in Cantha they were treated as outcasts mostly. The xenophobe emperor that took over wasn’t helping either. The ones we got on Tyria are refugees who build a wall, because they don’t trust the other races anymore.
It’s not like there are similiar things that happened thorughout history.

The world isn’t black and white and people/races change.

And keep in mind that the human conflict with the Charr, similar to the Human conflict with a lot of the other races, all started when Humans said “Our Gods have deemed us their chosen ones, to have ALL THESE LANDS and kill all the monsters that currently reside in them.”

If you want to play a race that isn’t a psychoticly genocidal xenophobe, your options are restricted to Ogres (Xenophobic, but generally more isolationist than psychotically genocidal), Skritt (Too distracted by shinies to hold grudges or prejudices), Sylvari (Too new and idealistic), and Norn. And maybe Grawl. Which I think humans are simply a mutant, extra-genocidal subspecies of.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Shrug. Yes, there were a tiny bunch of non aggro Tengu in Factions. I wouldn’t call them friendly.

Meanwhile the vast majority of Canthan Tengu, and all of the Tyrian tribes would have just as soon gutted you on sight. In fact they killed everything that entered their territory that wasn’t Tengu.

Plus we have the “modern” enlightened GW2 Tengu, who calmly stood at their precious gate in LA shooting down any refugee that ventured too close.

Bad enough the Charr got snowflaked into being our “pals”. They don’t need to whitewash another historical enemy that remains both xenophobic and ultra Territorial that did nothing in the struggle to destroy Zhaitan and Shrub Dragon but observe.

What’s with this fixation on “enemies staying enemies”? Would you have preferred the Japanese staying an enemy of the US? Would you rather China come out and attack?

I find it strange you think story development is considered “snowflaking” things. The best villains in stories aren’t villainous in their perspective and if common ground can be made, it’s common to come to an agreement about something.

I dont think the game needs another race right now. gw2 got no own style , everything is somewhat copied from successful hollywood content or other games. a new race would only be there for the sake of people thinking that it was time for another race. would end awesome boring so i would still vote for zombie gorillas of orr.

The thing is, ArenaNet have never added a new playable race to a game since GW1, so I doubt they will start doing now.

What about a Metrica Undergound map…
Ruled by the most intelligents and powerfull Skritt race who don’t care about annihilating every stupid and weak Skritts on their path….
Ok I know it will never happen, but.. !

penelopehannibal.8947:

The thing is, ArenaNet have never added a new playable race to the game since GW1, so I doubt they will start doing now.

They’ve added 4 new playable races to the game since GW1. There is a great big hole in the world suitable for the starting zone of a new race, as well.

Sartharina.3542:

penelopehannibal.8947:

The thing is, ArenaNet have never added a new playable race to a game since GW1, so I doubt they will start doing now.

They’ve added 4 new playable races to the game since GW1. There is a great big hole in the world suitable for the starting zone of a new race, as well.

I should have said to ‘a’ game rather than ‘the’ game sorry. As in, it’s always been a new playable class then a race in their expansions.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Sartharina.3542:

penelopehannibal.8947:

The thing is, ArenaNet have never added a new playable race to a game since GW1, so I doubt they will start doing now.

They’ve added 4 new playable races to the game since GW1. There is a great big hole in the world suitable for the starting zone of a new race, as well.

I should have said to ‘a’ game rather than ‘the’ game sorry. As in, it’s always been a new playable class then a race in their expansions.

Well seeing how well Asura and Charr (not personally a fan of Norn) turned out, I think they’d do great adding a new race.

Please no.

That would mean a lot of work (armor, starting area, story etc.) for a small bit of low level content most player would enjoy one time. This time could be invested much better in new fractals, new raids etc. which get played more often.

Shylock.4653:

Please no.

That would mean a lot of work (armor, starting area, story etc.) for a small bit of low level content most player would enjoy one time. This time could be invested much better in new fractals, new raids etc. which get played more often.

… no. New Fractals and raids would not gather anywhere NEAR as much attention or playtime as a new open world map does. The Fractal and Raid community is smaller than even the PvP community, which is a fraction of the people who signed up to play this game for the open world, and who’d sooner go back to WoW (Which will be “Over [their] dead body”) before they run Fractals or Raids.

@Shylock.4653 Much better with a “small bit of low level content” than more raids. Raids are for the “hardcore” people and completely unaccessable for the even slightly more casual players… and this game have always had an attraction to the more or less casual crowd. Fractals is just kinda boring.

I personally enjoy stories/lore and exploring openworld areas more than any of the other stuff in the game. Sadly I get more and more bored of the game the longer Anet focus on pvp and raids.

While I cannot say which group is the majority/minority (no one really can), I definitely know I am far from alone on this.

@bloodletting wolf.2837 I would consider it way more than just a skin. Areas, story and lore… way more interesting for me than even a new profession.

bloodletting wolf.2837

If Anet ever cave to the people that want this I will be super kittened. All that dev work for a freaking skin. Blech.

Uh, if we didn’t do anything for skins, what would we do? Why all that work and expense for a legendary?

Still, the dev work would be tremendous and what would we gain, really? I’m not opposed to the idea of a new race, but I think Anet could better spend their time elsewhere.

A new race is only hell of develop-work for too less effort.

As Jaken said, you need a complete new starter-Zone, quests, new animations, new models and all of this for all possible Classes and pers. storyline.
Nearly from scrap.

When new race, then we never get this for free.
20 bucks min, or +20 Bucks more, if the next expansion brings a new race.

Add a new race

Completely cover it up with armor so all you can see is the head.

Waste of time and effort. The game is better off adding content than new races.

Just a handful of the threads on the same topic:

• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/New-Race-1/3846103
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/New-Races-1/5282548
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/New-Race/4732111
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Potential-new-races-to-play-as/6142702

The discussion is always the same:

• We should have new races.
• Everyone agrees (except about which race first).
• People point out the relative cost to produce one new race versus several new profs or specializations or living story.

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

*cough*Tengu*cough*

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

True. But the way I see it: I don’t complain the devs put time and effort into WvW changes even though I spend very little time there, or put effort into adding more maps, objectives and skill changes into PvP even though I haven’t set foot in a hotjoin in over half a year. Or that the devs keep pouring time and resources into raids even though I never asked for them nor have I even touched one at all as of this point in time. Or that they put so much effort into developing more and more legendary weapons (ones I likely won’t ever have the time to put effort into) only to drop the project for other things I likely won’t touch much, if at all (again WvW, PvP and Raids).

If the devs decide to put in a new race, how could anyone here honestly feel cheated or angry about where the devs put their resources

If they didn’t have the resources to add new legendary weapons to the game, what makes you think they’ve got the resources to add a new race?

darkace.8925:

If they didn’t have the resources to add new legendary weapons to the game, what makes you think they’ve got the resources to add a new race?

They didn’t have too few resources for legendary weapons, they reallocated resources away from legendary weapons for use in other projects.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Just a handful of the threads on the same topic:

• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/New-Race-1/3846103
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/New-Races-1/5282548
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/New-Race/4732111
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Potential-new-races-to-play-as/6142702

The discussion is always the same:

• We should have new races.
• Everyone agrees (except about which race first).
• People point out the relative cost to produce one new race versus several new profs or specializations or living story.

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

“Everyone” is a bit of a stretch. People don’t support the alternate races already in game and humans remain the overwhelming choice, despite the efforts to make them less attractive. So… why bother with another?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Add a new race

Completely cover it up with armor so all you can see is the head.

Waste of time and effort. The game is better off adding content than new races.

New races are content.

Sartharina.3542:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Add a new race

Completely cover it up with armor so all you can see is the head.

Waste of time and effort. The game is better off adding content than new races.

New races are content.

The fact that it is content is not up for debate. Whether that content is worth how much developer time it takes to produce is.

Look at how much personal story there is for any one race up to the point that they join an order. Then look at how much story there was in HoT. Then add a starter map, and all the armour (admittedly a lot of assets already exist in a form that can be adapted, but we are talking thousands of items). I would like to see a new race, but I don’t have faith in ANet’s ability to create one in time for xpac2 without it feeling very much less than the other races.

Leo G.4501:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

True. But the way I see it: I don’t complain the devs put time and effort into WvW changes even though I spend very little time there, or put effort into adding more maps, objectives and skill changes into PvP even though I haven’t set foot in a hotjoin in over half a year. Or that the devs keep pouring time and resources into raids even though I never asked for them nor have I even touched one at all as of this point in time. Or that they put so much effort into developing more and more legendary weapons (ones I likely won’t ever have the time to put effort into) only to drop the project for other things I likely won’t touch much, if at all (again WvW, PvP and Raids).

If the devs decide to put in a new race, how could anyone here honestly feel cheated or angry about where the devs put their resources

The choice isn’t between WvW or a new race. It’s between

• A new race versus
• Living Story Season 3 plus new specializations plus new profs plus new maps.

WvW has its own resources and isn’t intended to appeal to everyone. A new race would be intended to appeal to just about the entire community.

So again, of course no one is against adding more races (many of us would love to see). It just costs a lot for the small amount of content it would actually deliver, whereas there are other, similar changes that would offer more and appeal to more people.

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Leo G.4501:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

True. But the way I see it: I don’t complain the devs put time and effort into WvW changes even though I spend very little time there, or put effort into adding more maps, objectives and skill changes into PvP even though I haven’t set foot in a hotjoin in over half a year. Or that the devs keep pouring time and resources into raids even though I never asked for them nor have I even touched one at all as of this point in time. Or that they put so much effort into developing more and more legendary weapons (ones I likely won’t ever have the time to put effort into) only to drop the project for other things I likely won’t touch much, if at all (again WvW, PvP and Raids).

If the devs decide to put in a new race, how could anyone here honestly feel cheated or angry about where the devs put their resources

The choice isn’t between WvW or a new race. It’s between

• A new race versus
• Living Story Season 3 plus new specializations plus new profs plus new maps.

WvW has its own resources and isn’t intended to appeal to everyone. A new race would be intended to appeal to just about the entire community.

So again, of course no one is against adding more races (many of us would love to see). It just costs a lot for the small amount of content it would actually deliver, whereas there are other, similar changes that would offer more and appeal to more people.

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

Actually, I think they are a good long-term investment for the game, but bad medium-term investment.

I thought of how they could implement Tengu as a playable race! But it would require a lot of work.

In the Living Story leading up to it, Primordus starts awakening. GIven the Massacre the Tengu inflicted on Lion’s Arch during Scarlet’s attack, the five races of Tyria realize they cannot have enemies on both sides – and right now, with their “Dominion Kill Zones”, the Tengu are enemies (Despite their professed isolationist neutrality). Even with the pact and races reeling from the losses of personnel from the assaults on Zhaitan and Mordremoth (And maybe Kralk, if it’s two expansions away instead of one. Though honestly, this is all a pipe dream), they still have a strong technological and logistic edge over the Tengu, and the Commander him/herself delivers an ultimatum to the Tengu – “Stand beside, step aside, or get blown away”, as the Alliance demands to access the Dominion of Winds, either to protect paths for refugees, or establish forward assault bases against Primordus (or both). This should hit in the living story just when Pre-purchase for the Tengu-containing Xpac is available, and those who pre-purchase get to design their Tengu Commander (Using a revamped character creation screen that gives them “Dominion Commander” armor skins, and full access to their account’s dyes for the starting armor of said Tengu Commander). The story pretty much proceeds as "Pact Commander leads a crushing offense against the Tengu military, including using tactics as ruthless as luring Dragon Minions toward Tengu military fortifications instead of Pact fortifications, but NOT targeting refugees – and even going out of their way to protect Tengu civilians from Primordus’ minions), and accepting Tengu surrenders and deserters) Throughout the story, the Pact Commander encounters the Tengu Commander – First as enemies, then as uneasy “Enemy of My Enemy” against Dragon Minions, and ultimately as Allies as the Tengu realize that, given how badly the Pact is beating them (Without even really trying – Their objective is making safe paths for refugees and establishing strongpoints to strike at Primordus), and how much stronger the Dragon is than the Pact currently is.

Then the expansion hits. The starting Tengu character is the Tengu Commander. The tutorial starts “In Medias Res”, at the finalization of the Dominion of Winds joining the alliance, with a boss fight against Destroyer minions (The Destiny’s Edge character for Starting Tengu is the Pact Commander: If you already have a non-Tengu character, it takes the character with the most story progression… Or it asks during character creation) The first half of the rest of the Tengu stories (probably up to level 40) are playable flashbacks throughout the Dominion/Pact war, with voice assets reused on both sides. And ultimately, in the story, depending on whether you’re playing as the Dominion Commander or Pact Commander, one is grievously injured and the other assumes their role.

It would be awesome. But also probably “Never happening”

If they are going to put in a new race, there is a better then good chance it will be the Largos given they are mainly humanoid, they already exist in game, and, they would make a great underwater expansion, to go north after Jormag.

Not to mention, since all their gear would be “Aquatic” based, Anet would not need to spend time adapting all the existing armors to the new races, they would only need to provide new armor skins for them, (With an aquatic theme of course) and have them swap out a “Breather” when on land.

Being humanoid, IMO, is a mark against the race. Every playable race needs to be unique. (Frankly, I wish we had gotten Jotun instead of Norn)

Sartharina.3542:

Shylock.4653:

Please no.

That would mean a lot of work (armor, starting area, story etc.) for a small bit of low level content most player would enjoy one time. This time could be invested much better in new fractals, new raids etc. which get played more often.

… no. New Fractals and raids would not gather anywhere NEAR as much attention or playtime as a new open world map does.

I’m not against open world content, a new Level 80 Open World Map like Silverwastes would be cool too. I’m against low level content. A new starting area, or personal story is much work and would have no replay value.

I don’t care if is hard or not they must fullfill their promises and add content and that includes new races/classes too…Stop being so "Anetones"and demand your rights.

Shylock.4653:

Sartharina.3542:

Shylock.4653:

Please no.

That would mean a lot of work (armor, starting area, story etc.) for a small bit of low level content most player would enjoy one time. This time could be invested much better in new fractals, new raids etc. which get played more often.

… no. New Fractals and raids would not gather anywhere NEAR as much attention or playtime as a new open world map does.

I’m not against open world content, a new Level 80 Open World Map like Silverwastes would be cool too. I’m against low level content. A new starting area, or personal story is much work and would have no replay value.

Low level zones have plenty of value, especially if they’re better-designed than the current ones.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Leo G.4501:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

True. But the way I see it: I don’t complain the devs put time and effort into WvW changes even though I spend very little time there, or put effort into adding more maps, objectives and skill changes into PvP even though I haven’t set foot in a hotjoin in over half a year. Or that the devs keep pouring time and resources into raids even though I never asked for them nor have I even touched one at all as of this point in time. Or that they put so much effort into developing more and more legendary weapons (ones I likely won’t ever have the time to put effort into) only to drop the project for other things I likely won’t touch much, if at all (again WvW, PvP and Raids).

If the devs decide to put in a new race, how could anyone here honestly feel cheated or angry about where the devs put their resources

The choice isn’t between WvW or a new race. It’s between

• A new race versus
• Living Story Season 3 plus new specializations plus new profs plus new maps.

WvW has its own resources and isn’t intended to appeal to everyone. A new race would be intended to appeal to just about the entire community.

So again, of course no one is against adding more races (many of us would love to see). It just costs a lot for the small amount of content it would actually deliver, whereas there are other, similar changes that would offer more and appeal to more people.

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

You almost had it but then flubbed it up in the very next sentence.

Posters constantly feel that content is a “this vs that” scenario, and while resources are not infinite, what those resource produce aren’t black and white categories. For instance, the new legendary crafting people complained for dropping it because all you needed was to make a skin and a recipe to make it. In reality, as demonstrated by the shortbow, the devs were also making a story and adventure along with it.

To relate it to the topic at hand, it’s not new race vs [insert all the stuff you want], because the devs aren’t braindead and would most definitively not JUST put in Largos or something without other meaningful content to go along with it. And before anyone else says “if would only be a starter zone and some personal story steps”, I’d like to see your crystal ball and psychic license to back up that prediction.

I can’t see how a new race could be cost effective in either money or time. Are they going to be in the personal story? Then there is the cost of making the race specific story line with its multiple choices. There is the cost of getting voice actors for their lines, not just in the personal story but the living story as well as the combat emotes and any other speech the char has. Making 9 new sets of cultural armor (18 if you count male versus female) will be expected by those choosing the new race. They’ve already said armor is one of the costliest items they design so 9 (or 18) will be a substantial cost in both money and time. There there is making race specific emotes and animations. Emotes and animations are also costly. On top of all that there is any necessary reworking of current armors to fit a new race’s body.

If they are not in the personal story then there will be an unending series of complaints about that. People will expect them to be in there, not be the lone race out. Especially new players who buy the game, choose the new race and then suddenly find they got the one race that doesn’t have a personal story. That’s not going to go over well.

So while I personally would love a new race, especially Tengu, I think there are too many cost barriers to add one at this late point in the game.

Jaken.6801:

There won’t be a new race in the near future, simply because it is a lot more effort then “just” a class.

A new race means, that every content before ahs to be converted to fit the class, which means:
- Every armor and outfit has to be adjusted to fit.
- A new starter zone with new story, that ties in somwhere
- Several different design options for the class
- Recording and writing a lot of stuff
- Content that takes advantage if the class has to be adjusted (like race specific dialog), throughout the whole game.
- and many other things.

While the game has been improved, it still isn’t at a state, where they can pull reccources into this (unfortunatly).

As for races, there are several possible, all in front the Tengu, followed by the Kodan.

that all would be a total waste of money since it could be going to new content in the game to be played, and new weapons to collect.

DonTry.1596:

Iam sure that Arena can do it because they made new class recently which it not harder as creating new race.

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thunderfall.8095:

DonTry.1596:

Iam sure that Arena can do it because they made new class recently which it not harder as creating new race.

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The OP got burned!
Oh crud, everyone! Original Poster Got burned!

I gotta agree. Everyone here is just squeeing at sight of ‘LET GET NEW RACE!’ every time. Then they don’t recognize the issue with that. How are you going to explain a tengu person being pact commander? How are you going to explain a jotun being a pact commander? How are you going to explain Edgy McSnowflake Great Overlord Of Satan from The Mist being a pact commander? How are you going to explain Balthazar being a pact commander?

Developers can’t just click, and drag all they want. They need to create meaningful explanation, and because of this. They would rather avoid adding tengu, unless they want toa dd in a bunch of new story episode, exclusive to them of course, explaining why they would come to the Order. Then again, it wouldn’t make much sense as they wouldn’t be a pact cmomander, and they would have to create a Pact commander who is uniquely stronger than the main character, and once capable of eliminating Elder dragons. You can’t just force the story onto a story.

It doesn’t work like that, unless you twists the logic. I can understand some stupid thing Arenanet pulls off, but this one is bigger than what kind of stupidity Arenanet would pull. In addition, to properly develop this new race.

You would need to re-design all the current existing skins, including outfit to fit to the new race. Including weapon sizing, including 9 unique racial armor. Then you’ll also need to create a new set of cultural weapon for that race as well.

Finally after you do that, you need to provide hairstyle, including many variation of hairstyle, faces, body shapes, height, and face adjustments. Then you would need to create their starter zone, which requires cut-scenes, and more voice actors.

Then you must design their entire starter zone, including it own hearts, and other means. Planning out the land, figuring out vista, heart, PoIs, and other things. Then they would have to create
One long line of Personal living story. Which goes from episode 1 to very final episode, which the character joined the Pact after the death of Modremorth.

Then Arenanet would have to clean out any bugs, issues, and as well creating two to three new zones just for that race. As well developing all sort of whacks.

TL:DR Creating a race is just nightmare.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Just a handful of the threads on the same topic:

• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/New-Race-1/3846103
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/New-Races-1/5282548
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/New-Race/4732111
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Potential-new-races-to-play-as/6142702

The discussion is always the same:

• We should have new races.
• Everyone agrees (except about which race first).
• People point out the relative cost to produce one new race versus several new profs or specializations or living story.

tl;dr everyone wants new races, but they aren’t a good long-term investment for the game

“Everyone” is a bit of a stretch. People don’t support the alternate races already in game and humans remain the overwhelming choice, despite the efforts to make them less attractive. So… why bother with another?

Asura master race… bookah!

thunderfall.8095:

DonTry.1596:

Iam sure that Arena can do it because they made new class recently which it not harder as creating new race.

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It works on the reverse statements too, poster commenting about budget, resource management and net worth of a piece of content.

That is to say, you can STATE things all you want but just understand that your statements have no weight.

Dlarnkk.1068:

I gotta agree. Everyone here is just squeeing at sight of ‘LET GET NEW RACE!’ every time. Then they don’t recognize the issue with that. How are you going to explain a tengu person being pact commander? How are you going to explain a jotun being a pact commander? How are you going to explain Edgy McSnowflake Great Overlord Of Satan from The Mist being a pact commander? How are you going to explain Balthazar being a pact commander?

Off topic of race, I feel that this is an issue with the way the story is told. The problem isn’t “how do you explain a Tengu as the pact commander?” but actually “Does it even matter who the pact commander is?”

Because I have 8 characters. Are you telling me they are all the pact commander? That each character exists in a parallel universe yet somehow can pass objects to each other and interact with the same people? That all my characters are actually 1 person that can shapeshift into different races/genders/professions/appearances?

I actually took care of this problem with my characters: of the 8, only 1 is Pact Commander. Only 3 hold any high rank in the Pact at all while the others are freelancers and adventurers and treasure hunters. They all play a part but not the same part.

So ultimately, your questions are irrelevant because if your Jotun character is leader of the pact, you either don’t care for how events played out over time and just playing the content or you can’t be kitten d with considering how the character you created fits in with the story thus deciding on that answer yourself.

That all said, it wouldn’t be a bad thing if by the time new races roll in, the whole Pact Leader position is either discontinued or passed onto someone else while you take care of bigger and better things. Or better yet, choose to take some other important roll in the story and see how things play out from that perspective instead.