Guild Wars 2

Pirlipat.2479:

Lokki.1092:

Ethics.4519:

Those that quit are the ones looking to be carried, but then whine that 80s won’t take them.

The OP wants people to stop their speed farms, stop their profits and have fun by being nice and sharing with everyone. Namely himself who is a level 35 all green (I hope at least) wearing character who. Will be inferior in every way to even a level 40 character.

Maybe you should read the opening post before you spread your bias all over the place. Where exactely do you read he was looking for 80ies to get dragged through? He was joining a group which wasn’t labeled to be speedrun or something.

Looking for 80ies to get dragged through? I didn’t say that did you read what you quoted? Everything I said there was taken right out of the OP. Yes, I assumed that he was wearing the best gear for that level which I said was an assumption. and it is completely true that a level 40 character (if we make the exact same assumption) is in fact a stronger character.

A few weeks ago I started a new Character …. at lvl 35 I wanted to go into Dungeons and then everything began…. I got kicked out, insulted etc.. when I dared to join a Group for AC at lvl 35….
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People have to accept that its a Game and that profit is not the most important thing.. It should be fun which is bigger if you share it with others….

To put it in a nutshell: STOP kicking lower levels out of your groups, just because it will take 10 minutes longer…. Lets be a good community and be friendly to everyone!!!

So Other than correcting you I cant really respond to your post because it was completely off base.

Lokki.1092:

Pirlipat.2479:

Lokki.1092:

Ethics.4519:

Those that quit are the ones looking to be carried, but then whine that 80s won’t take them.

The OP wants people to stop their speed farms, stop their profits and have fun by being nice and sharing with everyone. Namely himself who is a level 35 all green (I hope at least) wearing character who. Will be inferior in every way to even a level 40 character.

Maybe you should read the opening post before you spread your bias all over the place. Where exactely do you read he was looking for 80ies to get dragged through? He was joining a group which wasn’t labeled to be speedrun or something.

Looking for 80ies to get dragged through? I didn’t say that did you read what you quoted? Everything I said there was taken right out of the OP. Yes, I assumed that he was wearing the best gear for that level which I said was an assumption. and it is completely true that a level 40 character (if we make the exact same assumption) is in fact a stronger character.

A few weeks ago I started a new Character …. at lvl 35 I wanted to go into Dungeons and then everything began…. I got kicked out, insulted etc.. when I dared to join a Group for AC at lvl 35….
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People have to accept that its a Game and that profit is not the most important thing.. It should be fun which is bigger if you share it with others….

To put it in a nutshell: STOP kicking lower levels out of your groups, just because it will take 10 minutes longer…. Lets be a good community and be friendly to everyone!!!

So Other than correcting you I cant really respond to your post because it was completely off base.

Right on brotha!

@Pirlipat “Maybe you should read the opening post before you spread your bias all over the place.”

This happened to one of my AC p3 run few days ago. one level 43 elementalist in the party did great in p1 and we continued to do p3 with a newly find member. Upon reaching Spider Queen he asked the ele to switch to a level 80 toon, and eventually started vote for kicking. Once kicked, the ele got re-invited by his/her friend and kicked that player, who started AC p3.

The moral of this story is that we should partially blame Anet for the inconvenience we encountered. If there is some sort of filter, or minimum characters requirements for lfg description, ppl looking for speed run are less likely to make a group not looking for speed run uncomfortable or vise versa.

So, ok I got a lvl 80. Looking at the lfg-tool I assumed that any group which isn’t labeled to be a speedrun-group (which is more then half of the Groups anyway) is open for everyone. Well obviously it is not and it is some kind of lese majesty to even join it if you don’t have a lvl 80. Everyone lower should just stick to the lowlvl pariahs because even if not explictely labeled it is insulting to assume that there could be people who play for fun. Thanks alot you guys made it clear. Elitism is running the game now.

TL;DR you guys need to change because you dont play the game how I want to play the game.

stop being selfish

Pff, at least label your groups properly. -.-

Whats rediculous is when there are low levels in a dungeon and some of the 80s decide they want to swap characters for free xp leaving me to carry the whole party.

Pirlipat.2479:

So, ok I got a lvl 80. Looking at the lfg-tool I assumed that any group which isn’t labeled to be a speedrun-group (which is more then half of the Groups anyway) is open for everyone. Well obviously it is not and it is some kind of lese majesty to even join it if you don’t have a lvl 80. Everyone lower should just stick to the lowlvl pariahs because even if not explictely labeled it is insulting to assume that there could be people who play for fun. Thanks alot you guys made it clear. Elitism is running the game now.

We don’t have to play your way.

Baddies whining about people not playing the way they want are ‘running’ the game now.

Pirlipat.2479:

Pff, at least label your groups properly. -.-

Just because I don’t label something as a ‘speedrun’ doesn’t mean I want to carry your low level toon through the dungeon.

I still want my group to be fast and efficient.

YOU should label YOUR groups properly.

This is exactely the thing I’m talking about. Until today I assumed that this kind of speedrun fast efficent blabla was some kind of exception. Yep, I’m badly mistaken, I see. Don’t worry I don’t PUG with anyone. I have my own bias with the social competences of PUG players. One really positive experience made me nearly throw that over board. To early as I see now.

Pirlipat.2479:

This is exactely the thing I’m talking about. Until today I assumed that this kind of speedrun fast efficent blabla was some kind of exception. Yep, I’m badly mistaken, I see. Don’t worry I don’t PUG with anyone. I have my own bias with the social competences of PUG players. One really positive experience made me nearly throw that over board. To early as I see now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex

Oh don’t worry, I don’t feel like a martyr, I only think it is pretty enlightening about what this community becomes.

Pirlipat.2479:

Oh don’t worry, I don’t feel like a martyr, I only think it is pretty enlightening about what this community becomes.

We finally agree on something ;-)

Pirlipat.2479:

Oh don’t worry, I don’t feel like a martyr, I only think it is pretty enlightening about what this community becomes.

you seem to be incapable of understanding why someone wouldn’t want to carry someone else through a dungeon. That is your problem. You are not enlightened at all.

I can only assume you don’t have a full ascended, world completed, second legendary seeking level 80 character. Or something like that. But let me enlighten you on that.

When you are on your 100th run of AC having run it in rotation every day to get fragments, gold, tokens… whatever you are farming. the last thing you are thinking about is “fun” value, you don’t want to have to help someone learn the dungeon, and definitely don’t want to make it take longer or fail! A lower level character increases the chances of all these things happening. So that person doesn’t even want to deal with that lower level person at all.

Just like having level 80 speed runners increases the chance of you running into “Elitist” level 80’s so you try to steer clear of that. It feels like you are are saying that you don’t want to play with a certain group for their attitudes, about not wanting to play with a certain group of players because of their attitudes.

Rhaps.8540:

The idea that you NEED 80s to do dungeons of a lower level is a total fallacy perpetuated by lazy, impatient and unskilled players. The stat/dps difference between an downleveled 80 and your lvl 35 in blues is overcome and then some by the skill of the player. A bad lvl 80 on an AC run will be far more a liability than a half decent lvl 35.

It’s how the dungeon scales. A full group at level 35 in blues is going to have an easier time than a couple lvl35 characters in blue mixed in with lvl70-80 in exotic and ascended gear. May as well just run with three in the party then and leave the blue geared players out at the repair node. Even at 40-50 I’ve seen players in rare constantly fail when they themselves were not doing anything terribly wrong. I didn’t even attempt any dungeons with my first character until lvl70, wvw provided quicker leveling power back then.

green plum.7514:

Its not ok if my lvl 60 Guardian has to be the one carrying the group of lvl 80s in a lvl 40 dungeon

This is a fantasy game, not a fantasy world. A level 60 is not going to carry 4-80’s in AC, not possible, only by a redefinition of what carry means. The dungeon needs at least three people contributing to succeed.

Pirlipat.2479:

Thanks alot you guys made it clear. Elitism is running the game now.

No, the fact is this game is ruled my casual play, not elitism. When you are watching the clock for a temple to come up in 40m, and decide to do a 20m dungeon with a group, there is no kitten reason such a person should be forced to spend 2hrs in that dungeon. Period. It’s more like elitism is trying to take over this game, who has 2HRS to run a dungeon?!? Noobs insisting that they are elite, want to feel elite by insisting they extend the time it takes for a casual group running a dungeon. Elite noobs, simple as that. Now if I have the time, or a mostly strong group already, I have no problems with elitist noobs joining, but that is just not always the case, and I shouldn’t be forced to do something else because of them.

A friendly guild is the key. Believe, once you find this, GW2 will be 100% much more fun.

Galtrix.7369:

I got a group together one day for AC when I was level 40ish. Everyone else was level 80. They all said they wanted to kick me, but did nothing about it. Everything went perfectly fine in AC, everything was going smooth and I never died, but everyone else in my party got downed at least twice. 2 minutes later, I get a kick and a nice whisper saying, “Don’t come back until you’re level 80”. I sent them a nice message saying, “L2P”. Needless to say, I added them to my friends list so I could plan revenge one day.

I leveled to 80, got a commander title, world completion, and I made a build that let me farm CoF extremely quickly, so quickly in fact, that I actually had people lining up in a queue to join my party for CoF farm runs. So I’m farming one day, and lo and behold, 2 guys that kicked me from AC showed up begging for a run. I let them in. I whisper the other members of the party explaining what happened to me and I tell them my plan. We get to the final boss, and I vote to kick them both when the boss was at 10% health. I got some pretty mean whispers, but all I said was, “Remember me? Now don’t kick lowbies or they may own your life one day”.

Ahahahahha. My sides.
Really – that’s just …wow.
You really got them good didn’t you buddy?
Also – you were explainin all that block of text story to your party in cof WHILE doing your super speed run? You must be good.
Sign me up for some of your runs.

On topic – because I don’t have those 10 minutes to spare. Level your alt doing maps – it’s better for everyone involved ( remember gift of exploration?)

I posted back when we had to use the gw2lfg site for a group for one of the dungeons that I wanted to complete for some reason (don’t remember why now). I said that it was for inexperienced people who wanted to work together. Most of the others were at the level the dungeon is listed at and it was painful, but we managed it and had fun and a good attitude about it. I haven’t tried out the ingame lfg tool, hopefully it let’s you be descriptive in your post. If not, I think being able to explain the type of group would help.

Katz.5143:

I haven’t tried out the ingame lfg tool, hopefully it let’s you be descriptive in your post.

It does, but people can’t read or refuse to read it and it serves practically no purpose.

And

Galtrix.7369:

I leveled to 80, got a commander title, world completion, and I made a build that let me farm CoF extremely quickly, so quickly in fact, that I actually had people lining up in a queue to join my party for CoF farm runs. So I’m farming one day, and lo and behold, 2 guys that kicked me from AC showed up begging for a run. I let them in. I whisper the other members of the party explaining what happened to me and I tell them my plan. We get to the final boss, and I vote to kick them both when the boss was at 10% health. I got some pretty mean whispers, but all I said was, “Remember me? Now don’t kick lowbies or they may own your life one day”.

I bet that was a nice dream.

Skan.5301:

I bet that was a nice dream.

hah yeah agree. Which is why I use block on players that don’t understand the rational reason why we cant take them on the run, ones that want to argue or flame outside of the dungeon. I mean, once a noob elitist always a noob elitist I guess. A “newbie” being another sort.

Daywolf.2630:

Pirlipat.2479:

Thanks alot you guys made it clear. Elitism is running the game now.

No, the fact is this game is ruled my casual play, not elitism. When you are watching the clock for a temple to come up in 40m, and decide to do a 20m dungeon with a group, there is no kitten reason such a person should be forced to spend 2hrs in that dungeon.

You don’t get what I talk about. If you don’t want to spend time with someone who could potentially slow you down, then label your group as such. Not labeling it and still expecting certain things – be it level, gear, experience or what else – because you think it’s “natural” and because everyone should know that in advance is elitist imo. How can someone know what you want if you don’t communicate it? If you are not able or willing to label your group properly you should expect that anyone joins in.

I used to do all dungeons around the level they opened but my favorites were AC and CM and I’d usually do those all the way to 80

I’ve not closely read the rest of the posts, but my advice would be to get into a guild and do the dungeons with fellow guild members. I can understand that it might frustrate some groups if they are looking to do speed runs through a dungeon, but they should not insult you, but that seems to be the way of the world these days I’m afraid.

Pirlipat.2479:

Daywolf.2630:

Pirlipat.2479:

Thanks alot you guys made it clear. Elitism is running the game now.

No, the fact is this game is ruled my casual play, not elitism. When you are watching the clock for a temple to come up in 40m, and decide to do a 20m dungeon with a group, there is no kitten reason such a person should be forced to spend 2hrs in that dungeon.

You don’t get what I talk about. If you don’t want to spend time with someone who could potentially slow you down, then label your group as such. Not labeling it and still expecting certain things – be it level, gear, experience or what else – because you think it’s “natural” and because everyone should know that in advance is elitist imo. How can someone know what you want if you don’t communicate it? If you are not able or willing to label your group properly you should expect that anyone joins in.

No, you said in a previous post directed at no one, half of the runs are speed runs. That’s just not true. They don’t advertise as a speed run because it’s not. Since the release of the LFG tool, I see groups listed for speed running. I see groups listed as other types of groups. I’ve run in pugs enough the past year to say definitely there are not 50% just doing speed runs, at least not among pugs and advertising their groups.

There is a huge difference between speed runs and the normal casual runs, but even in casual runs many don’t want to spend 2 freaking hours doing a single path. That is elitist to you?!? What I did reply to was your blanket charge against everyone on the other side of the issue, that it’s certainly not elitist. This game is casual, it’s almost too casual for me. And PUG’s are far from elitist, even if someone doesn’t have the mass amounts of time to carry lower level players.

Just by the fact that I don’t have two freaking hours to carry lower level players through a single dungeon path – if anything shows that I am in fact NOT an elitist. I play this game rather casually (I have another mmo that is purely hardcore), I don’t have loads of time to show how awesome I am by carrying other players through a dungeon. And I’ve done it too! 2 freaking hours! But then I built a friends list with people I liked in the dungeon. Then I joined an active guild. Then I didn’t need to stand in front of AC and take whatever I could get any longer. Now I don’t need to carry a couple low level players through a dungeon for two freaking hours! It’s the low level noobs that are elitist, they think everyone else are elitists and get angry that everyone wont carry them. Newbies understand, they are not destined to become perma-noobs.

That’s the difference, man, newbies vs. noobs. When I was a newbie, even though everyone was the same level as me in the game, I waited until lvl70 to do that content. Why? because I’m not a noob elitist. Not even an elitist, just a vet that plays casually and does not have two freaking hours to drag some noob elitist through a dungeon thinking everyone else is an elitist. There is a big difference between being appreciative of someone that takes such time from their life just for you, and someone that just expects you to do it all for them as if you owe them something. The quick path to my block list, for sure.

Wow, I’ve never used the word “noob” so much in a single conversation or post hehe. Man, I miss the early old-school days

The stats between an 80 and a lvl 35 in AC really isn’t that much
My 80 in exotic/ascended is downscaled to

Power: 677
Precision: 484
Toughness: 256
Vitality: 312

while a lvl 35 in green gear with the strong prefix would have

Power: 589
Precision: 412
Toughness: 232
Vitality: 282

and that isn’t including any stats from upgrade slots or if they are wearing rares instead of greens

simplesimon.2084:

The stats between an 80 and a lvl 35 in AC really isn’t that much
My 80 in exotic/ascended is downscaled to

Power: 677
Precision: 484
Toughness: 256
Vitality: 312

while a lvl 35 in green gear with the strong prefix would have

Power: 589
Precision: 412
Toughness: 232
Vitality: 282

and that isn’t including any stats from upgrade slots or if they are wearing rares instead of greens

The issue is that maybe 1% of lvl 35s will actually have lvl 35 everything with srong prefix (armor, accessories, weapons, sigils, runes, etc)

More likely they have mix-matched stats, little to no sigils, a range of 25-35 blue/green, not using food or dungeon potions.

Also, regardless of how well somebody decks out their 35, they still have 45 less trait points than 80s.

Heya! You just need to join/post groups with the specific criteria you’re looking for. I have no problem at all with at-level newbies to AC in any group I post, but other people might be looking for 80s only. You have to read and use the description feature to make sure you get the group you want.

Every single lfg I make is labelled “no speedruns, no glitching, no excessive skipping”. As an engineer/necro I never join groups created by others (too many kick-happy elitist dimwits around). Luckily there is more than enough people who like to play the game without grinding it as fast as humanly possible, because, frankly, all those full zerker warrior/guardian/mesmer teams are just boring as hell. Also, I’m more than happy to drag a 35 with <1000 ap through the catacombs, it’s kitten satisfying when you find out they’re actually better players and much more pleasant people than the whole ‘durr, berzerk’, crowd.
Just make your own groups, luckily there’s plenty of people who enjoy doing dungeons in a non-cookie cutter way.

It’s all about how you advertise your group. There’s really no need for debate. If you want 80s only, state it. If you want speedrunners, state it. If you open it to any level, state it.

If you are an 80 elitist snob and post “LFM AC p1!!” and then kick someone out for not being 80, then you don’t understand the concept of efficiency and clearly are happy having people join, see they aren’t 80, vote to kick, possibly get a confused/angry whisper, possibly respond to said whisper about your unstated rule of 80s only, and then possibly have to do it even more when the next non-80 joins.

As an intelligent person you should want to minimize any unnecessary work like the above.

LF2M AC p2! Any level!
LF2M CoF p1!! Speedrun, ping gear on join!
LF1M CM p2!! 80s only!
LF3M FoTM! Experienced players AR 30+ ONLY!

You see how those postings would not cause any kind of confusion? People know what you want from the get-go.

And yes, there are groups that don’t require 80, almost every group I create I allow for at least one lowbie, because seriously, if I have 4 80s that know what they are doing, I could have a 35 in all white gear come along and not have it be a problem in any way shape or form, and people know that.

Players should be allowed to play with equally skilled players and to limit group members to that. Everyone can avoid ridiculous arguments by being clear when advertising. No one’s time is wasted then.

This is a people problem, not an Anet problem.

Ethics.4519:

simplesimon.2084:

The stats between an 80 and a lvl 35 in AC really isn’t that much
My 80 in exotic/ascended is downscaled to

Power: 677
Precision: 484
Toughness: 256
Vitality: 312

while a lvl 35 in green gear with the strong prefix would have

Power: 589
Precision: 412
Toughness: 232
Vitality: 282

and that isn’t including any stats from upgrade slots or if they are wearing rares instead of greens

The issue is that maybe 1% of lvl 35s will actually have lvl 35 everything with srong prefix (armor, accessories, weapons, sigils, runes, etc)

More likely they have mix-matched stats, little to no sigils, a range of 25-35 blue/green, not using food or dungeon potions.

Also, regardless of how well somebody decks out their 35, they still have 45 less trait points than 80s.

Yeah it does make a big difference. So I’ve leveled 8 classes, and early on I did like you mentioned, bad gear, bad runes, poor weapons, bad sigils etc etc (though at launch everyone was about the same). First character was hard to level, compared to my second, which I had a little gold and crafting to keep things more at level. By my 8th, the standard was having the absolute best gear every five levels took no effort to get/buy/make. The performance difference is almost immeasurable. Sure one could throw out numbers, but on lower level content, even an extra 50pts into something can be a rather huge difference.

When we used to stand in front of AC to pick people for a run, well it wasn’t hard to pick the yellow gear from the blue, on sight. And chances are a player that was running with rare/yellow, if it didn’t work out too well they had a higher alt to switch to for at least part of the dungeon. But generally rule of thumb in most every pug I’ve seen is 40+. Should be less of a problem now with the LFG tool compared to back then, so lvl35 players can find other lvl35 players. Seems like only an elitist noob would have a problem with that I tried to get into AC at level 25 but it wouldn’t let me in

Aenesthesia.1697:

skonietz.9418:

To put it in a nutshell: STOP kicking lower levels out of your groups, just because it will take 10 minutes longer…. Lets be a good community and be friendly to everyone!!

I’d say you should join a group of level thirtysomethings if you wanna do the dungeon. Otherwise, it’s not fair to expect people to carry you through the dungeon. You know that you will die and do little damage, so you are either clearly expecting the rest of the group to do things for you, or you don’t expect it to take just ‘10 minutes longer’

Can you find people lvl 80 who come along with you? of course you will, there’s always a kind spirit when you need it, but don’t expect everybody to be that kind spirit.

Last line should read-there may be an unselfish spirit when you need it, but don’t expect most to be unselfish.

zedtanga.6571:

Dear OP,

This is a huge problem in the game… but the game is all about the level 80.

I say that tongue and cheek, every game is the same bs with this topic.
Getting a dungeon with out being 80 just plain stinks, I have had the same treatment just this past week. Sorry your not 80… GOOD BYE.

Or do you have a 80? get on it. Umm no .. i’m playing this toon for a reason that i want to level it up and enjoy the content.

Lame. Also I have seen more people doing crappy things that that game allows them to do in dungeons. Makes me wonder if devs play that game even. :/

The worst is kicking someone at the end and then selling your spot to highest bidder or giving to a friend/guild memeber to get the end reward and achievement. They (devs) need to review many things about the doing dungeons.

Blude.6812:

Aenesthesia.1697:

skonietz.9418:

To put it in a nutshell: STOP kicking lower levels out of your groups, just because it will take 10 minutes longer…. Lets be a good community and be friendly to everyone!!

I’d say you should join a group of level thirtysomethings if you wanna do the dungeon. Otherwise, it’s not fair to expect people to carry you through the dungeon. You know that you will die and do little damage, so you are either clearly expecting the rest of the group to do things for you, or you don’t expect it to take just ‘10 minutes longer’

Can you find people lvl 80 who come along with you? of course you will, there’s always a kind spirit when you need it, but don’t expect everybody to be that kind spirit.

Last line should read-there may be an unselfish spirit when you need it, but don’t expect most to be unselfish.

10m difference is an exaggeration, and I don’t think the poster ever spent up to two hours in a dungeon carrying anyone, let alone an hour which is probably more common for a bad group anchored by poor players. Yeah yeah yeah selfish to one person that really doesn’t belong there while the other two or three people in the group somehow just dont count. Screw them, they can just run out of time and drop like normal people do, we’ll just replace them with someone elst that reeeeealy careses so much. You guys are too 1337 for me.

Ill be totally honest with you.

I cannot stand when someone joins and they aren’t a level 80. This game is designed to run dungeons purely at level 80, even the lower leveled dungeons. In the past i used to allow it but they are such a nuisance, and the dungeon almost always fails because of them.

I usually kick and block players who even attempt to stay in a party that are low leveled. Especially when they join quick runs/experienced runs. I hope I’ve blocked OP

I’d note that it is impossible for lower leveled players to have the best states when up/downscaled. Rares open up at level 30 and Exotics at level 62. When you first start playing out, you don’t understand your skills that well. (I’m still learning new ways to play a S/F Ele after 67 levels.) Those are some reasons people don’t like sub-80s.

That said, I’ve only been kicked once for having suboptimal gear/being sub-80. (The suboptimal gear part will be looked at when i hit level 80, which should be in a couple days.) Other than my first pass through a path, I never feel like I’m being carried. The fights probably take a minute longer than if I was in best gear, but knowing the right skills shaves off the same amount of time.

In short, I’m not having a problem with dungeons with theoretically bad gear.

Dungeons are designed for people who’ve ran through them a few times. Only certain ‘skip’ zones chosen by the players require gear checks to do well (>80% success), and even there, skill matters too.

PS: The wiki is really useful — if you haven’t looked at it, here’s a good page: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Item#Quality .

You could always flip it on them. Use the LFG feature and ask for a group of level 35-40 and kick out any that insist on trivialising your run with their fully geared/skilled 80s.

Havvy.4897:

That said, I’ve only been kicked once for having suboptimal gear/being sub-80.

Well in AC at least, someone running lvl60-70’s gear is usually not any problem at all. Once you are in gear with three stats, it makes a difference. Better yet in rare close to your level with three stats.

But in 35-39… and sometimes seeing people run around in gear up to -20 of their level, it’s just ridiculous. Not knowing your class well or new to the dungeon isn’t usually a big problem, as long as the player isn’t too big headed to take direction, and someone willing to explain it quickly.

The only real problem with that is players getting lost from the WP, killed then running it again. Then you are just missing someone from your party which makes the time grind even longer. It gets amusing when everyone stars to doodle on the map… little sad faces and all hehe. Run, Forest ruuun!

So?

• If you’re not willing to take anyone who might join, post your requirements.
• If you don’t meet the requirements posted, don’t try to join.
• If someone kicks you because you don’t meet the posted requirements, get over it.
• If someone uses abusive language directed at you, screenshot and report.

Seems like common sense…

Katostrophe.3274:

This game is designed to run dungeons purely at level 80, even the lower leveled dungeons.

Says who?

Level 80=/=skilled.

When I first joined, I was pushed relentlessly by my first guild to get to level 80 ASAP before they’d even do a single event with me – including dungeons. So I leveled alone and I didn’t go through learning how to use my skills and traits to survive or benefit a party because I wasn’t ever in one. I was told all dungeons were for level 80 only and if I was below 80, I was holding back the group.

So I got to level 80 and they finally took me to their regular weekend run of CM and guess what? We all stunk. They’d never learned how to use their skills in a group either and it was a clusterkitten of four people all out for themselves only, unable to work as a team, and me confused as heck as we wiped over and over and over and then completed the path purely by luck.

And it was like this every time, by level 80 they had all decided how they were playing their class and weren’t open to change. As for me, I felt really cheated out of the chance to learn my skills as they came and what playstyle best suited me instead of rushing to be 80 just so I could go “play with the big kids in the sandbox” then standing there absolutely clueless. It would have been great to go to my first dungeon at level 40 and gotten a taste of what they were like instead of this elitist idea of “Get to 80 or get out”.

IndigoSundown.5419:

So?

• If you’re not willing to take anyone who might join, post your requirements.
• If you don’t meet the requirements posted, don’t try to join.
• If someone kicks you because you don’t meet the posted requirements, get over it.
• If someone uses abusive language directed at you, screenshot and report.

Seems like common sense…

You would think so… but that presumes the description is read, people aren’t trying to just get carried, and people are mature. 14 year old fanatical players abound (or at least people who act like them).

@Aerlen that’s why people will some times ask for X AP. It’s the only indication as far as how much experience a player has (but obviously still isn’t foolproof).

The problem with dungeons is that they are not scaled like open world events are in that for open world events the more people the tougher the event but in dungeons where you can only have 5 in the event it is just as hard at level 35 as it is at level 80 which is why MOST won’t touch a dungeon till they are 80. Dungeons should be scaled to the highest player level entering for this very reason.

I have never done a dungeon and never will bc of peoples ugly attitudes. They all say they don;t want to carry anyone, who said they wanted to be carried? What if we want to learn? We’ll never get the chance thanks to these people

christiniae.7834:

I have never done a dungeon and never will bc of peoples ugly attitudes. They all say they don;t want to carry anyone, who said they wanted to be carried? What if we want to learn? We’ll never get the chance thanks to these people

I have done a dungeon almost every night this week because I found a guild that’s minus the bad attitude, willing to teach, and has a strict no drama rule and guess what I found out? I don’t entirely suck, I prefer to be somewhere between an offensive and support Guardian, and wiping is supposed to be a learning experience where you start to see what you are doing wrong and improve.

So my suggestion is to find a nice, small to medium sized guild of people who aren’t out there to be “the best” but rather to have fun. They won’t mind teaching you and, at the end of the night, you’ll be a better player.

Aerlen.5326:

christiniae.7834:

I have never done a dungeon and never will bc of peoples ugly attitudes. They all say they don;t want to carry anyone, who said they wanted to be carried? What if we want to learn? We’ll never get the chance thanks to these people

I have done a dungeon almost every night this week because I found a guild that’s minus the bad attitude, willing to teach, and has a strict no drama rule and guess what I found out? I don’t entirely suck, I prefer to be somewhere between an offensive and support Guardian, and wiping is supposed to be a learning experience where you start to see what you are doing wrong and improve.

So my suggestion is to find a nice, small to medium sized guild of people who aren’t out there to be “the best” but rather to have fun. They won’t mind teaching you and, at the end of the night, you’ll be a better player.

That sort of set up on guard is really good if you’re doing pugs or are with non-ideal groups. If you’re good at it you can carry parties of baddies with it. My guard’s set for that stuff is a mix of zerk, pvt, and cav.

I had a horrible time leveling up with dungeons . First time i did a dungeon in GW2 last year, it was CM at the recommended level, i was like ‘Dam.. this is a leveling dungeon?’, so many wipes i couldn’t believe they designed it to kitten u so hard at such a low level.

Then every time i wanted to join a dungeon i made sure i had my friend there to help me do it. Eventually i just gave up dungeons while leveling after doing CM a couple times and an AC.

That was when i was learning the game back when the game was just released, and i can say for a fact that it was a horrible learning experience, even the players in my party back then were getting 1 shot like flies as well.

It is to my belief that in order to avoid separating the community, Anet gives us these “leveling dungeons” that allow chars from level 35 to 80 to join together. Yet, the entire experience for everyone would be much better if it were like WoW where you had ‘Normal Dungeons’ that catered specifically to a certain level range e.g. 35-40, and then ‘Heroic Dungeons’ which catered to moderate-highly geared level 80s.

The difference in power between a level 80 and anything else is huge, enough that it should encourage 80s to dungeon with other 80s in an environment designed for experienced and geared players, and cater to lowbies by setting them up in dungeons with other lowbies in a much more casual and ideal dungeon experience with room to learn the game and their class.

I think newer players as well as experienced players can see where i’m coming from.

Aberrant.6749:

IndigoSundown.5419:

So?

• If you’re not willing to take anyone who might join, post your requirements.
• If you don’t meet the requirements posted, don’t try to join.
• If someone kicks you because you don’t meet the posted requirements, get over it.
• If someone uses abusive language directed at you, screenshot and report.

Seems like common sense…

You would think so… but that presumes the description is read, people aren’t trying to just get carried, and people are mature. 14 year old fanatical players abound (or at least people who act like them).

@Aerlen that’s why people will some times ask for X AP. It’s the only indication as far as how much experience a player has (but obviously still isn’t foolproof).

This office provides no guarantees as to the common occurrence of common sense.

In my opinion you’ll just have to watch out for speedrun grps and whatnot OP. There ARE groups out there that will take sub-80’s or you could even advertise a party yourself! For example today I made a party (on my level 80) and I ran TA U/U with a group of 55’s who had never done an explorable today.

I taught them the fights, explained a few strategies they would see typically when joining other groups, and we got through the dungeon relatively fast. I was actually surprised, but it was a fun experience and I am glad to have helped a few people out and hopefully created 4 more people who in the future will be assets to their group.

In other words there are groups out there and if your having trouble finding one or don’t see a dungeon group might as well make one and put your preferences in the description!