Guild Wars 2

Dinks.2478:

Gehenna.3625:

Giland.4507:

Explodie.9428:

Okay after reading this i found out we in europe have to pay more then americans do?

Normal pack costs $50 wich is € 44.07 and we have to pay € 44.99 wich is $ 51.08 ( $1.08 more Its nothing to say about that is normal)
The deluxe version costs $75 wich is € 66.06 we have to pay € 74.99 wich is $ 85.14 ( $ 10.14 more its huge!!)
The ultimate version costs $100 wich is € 88.08 we have to pay € 99.99 wich is $ 113.53 ( $ 13.53 more, its huge)

(I’ve converted this with the status for 20-6-2015 at 00.22 GMT+01)

You cannot take converted money into account you have to take in things like how much does the average consumer make. If you make on average 8 pounds an hour and the average north American make 7 dollars an hour, we are in fact paying more. Which for most products is usually the case.

Figuring for exchange would only factor if you had to import the product which you don’t a dollar is a dollar here and a pound is a pound there.

Just for your information, he is comparing dollars to euros. Not pounds. That’s the UK only.

€ = Euro
£ = Pound

Just so you know

I’d say the point still stands regardless. Not to mention people truly like to ignore the difference between VAT and US taxes. VAT is from my understanding already included in the marketed price. US taxes vary by state/city/etc so that is impossible so our marketed cost is pre-tax.

Oh nothing against your point as such. Being upset at price differences between countries and continents is pointless. It has to do with taxes but also logistics. It’s a numbers game and in the end it mostly depends on where you buy it. Buying it at Anet gives a certain security and convenience but it will never be the cheaper choice.

Go to websites of stores you know and you get it for less. They buy in bulk to be competitive and Anet keeps their price where it is so other suppliers buy their game in bulk to sell to the public. The internet goes across borders, shop smart.

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

PC Gamer give a fair impartial review of the situation.
I do not mind paying the $50, but Anet dropped the ball on taking care of it core users.

The news seems to be spreading to other game systems now. For the minor cost to make a balanced roll out, Anet really is looking bad at how they take care of their core users.

Thanks for the heads up JustTrogdor.
I was not in the HOT thread. I am not interested in HOT this moment.

Until it is moved maybe some others will see the PCGamer article.

Greymelken.1892:

because they have recieves 3 years of endless rewards for $60 already ohsnapwhydoievenbothernevermind

So you think GW2 should have a subscription fee.

Angelica Dream.7103:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

PC Gamer give a fair impartial review of the situation.
I do not mind paying the $50, but Anet dropped the ball on taking care of it core users.

The news seems to be spreading to other game systems now. For the minor cost to make a balanced roll out, Anet really is looking bad at how they take care of their core users.

It is an opinion piece written by someone with a vested interest in the outcome. That is about as far from impartial as you can get. If Colin was moonlighting as a writer for PC Gamer and wrote an article claiming that the pricing and bundling of HoT was the best deal in MMO history, would it be fair and impartial?

Or is an article written by someone with a vested interest in the subject only, “fair and impartial,” if it agrees with you?

Leo G.4501:

KGS.9842:

here’s the perspective: two different groups of people buy the same product for the same price in the same time period, one group arbitrarily receives a bonus on their purchase; the other does not

we are paying for this, and trying to defend out rights as customers, people should get the same value for their money regardless of their background; it is a question of principle

Business services do it all the time. I got my gym membership for $0 and pay $20 every month for a year a few years back but eventually discontinued service as my job took me away from such a routine for extended periods of time. I come back, it cost $25 to get a membership and $25 a month with a 9 month contract. A few weeks ago, they offered promotional memberships with no membership fee and a $25 per month fee with no contract.

The thing about being a consumer is, you have the power to not pay something you don’t find fair but it’s also the producers’ right to charge what they feel the product is worth. Don’t pretend you’re standing up for consumer rights because the deal being offered isn’t unfair. And remember, there is a difference between being unfair and being too much.

your analogy is invalid, i bolded a part of my previous response you have obviously missed

You ask people to pay X. One group gets Y. Another group gets Y + more.

And for some reason people are upset by this. Shocking!

I think it’s cool that are trying to get new players to join and I don’t mind them rewarding them to do so.
As of now, I just don’t feel the expansion is worth $50. I’m going to buy it and be happy anyways because I’m excited for the revenant and the new specializations, but really think it should have been cheaper.

Fernling.1729:

I think it’s cool that are trying to get new players to join and I don’t mind them rewarding them to do so.
As of now, I just don’t feel the expansion is worth $50. I’m going to buy it and be happy anyways because I’m excited for the revenant and the new specializations, but really think it should have been cheaper.

One of the most well reasoned comments Ive seen on the subject. Thank you.

I am still on the fence about buying HoT. Very little of what has been announced is of much interest to me. I dont consider $50 excessive for an expansion but $50 for an expansion I might not even use is something else.

Greymelken.1892:

because they have recieves 3 years of endless rewards for $60 already ohsnapwhydoievenbothernevermind

I know, right? I mean, we’ve already got an expansion’s worth of content from Living Story. I don’t care if half of it was vanishware. It still counts, and anyone who missed it has only him/her self to blame for not buying the game sooner. And let’s not forget the first trait system redesign, which gave so many of us such a delightful feeling of nostalgia, harkening back to the glory days of the original Guild Wars, when we so avidly hunted down all those bosses for their elite skills. And the New Player Experience? Talk about your new experiences! What other game has dared to attempt non-linear storytelling?

Yup. Endless rewards. Endless.

Fernling.1729:

I think it’s cool that are trying to get new players to join and I don’t mind them rewarding them to do so.
As of now, I just don’t feel the expansion is worth $50. I’m going to buy it and be happy anyways because I’m excited for the revenant and the new specializations, but really think it should have been cheaper.

We don’t know the full extent of everything there is on offer. I feel the same as you, (and Wooden Potatoes) a concern that there will not be enough content – Hard challanging repeatable group content.
Even if these biomes are loaded to the brim with events, are average players going to take notice as they run through them? Sometimes I look at how newbies play Silverwaste, have a bad experience and never return.

Again, you can’t buy this level of bad press. Anyone who can’t see ANet dropped the ball, in a big way, at this point is just kidding themselves.

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knows where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

Conncept.7638:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knowa where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

That “real point” is every bit as much opinion as the “fair price” comment.

Late for the party.
There is an expression we use in my country that fits this perfectly
but I won’t write it since it would be a instant ban.
And please.If you want to debate this do so in one of the other 10000000
threads that are already on page 12324 and counting.

It makes a change seeing a gaming site/mag speak out on this rather than remaining silent or hinting it’s the community’s fault (I’m looking at you, Eurogamer).

Still, considering how silent the gaming media at large has been over broken games (Assassins Creed: Unity), insidious DRM (SecuROM) and anti-consumer practices in general (see: EA and those Mass Effect bannings), we should be thankful for this one small ray of light in a sea of indifference.

Angelica Dream.7103:

We had the forum explode, Face book soon followed. Twitter was ablaze, and Reddit was on fire! PCGamer weighs in:
http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-players-rightly-upset-by-heart-of-thorns-pre-purchase-scheme/

“Guild Wars 2 players rightly upset…”

“People who don’t yet own Guild Wars 2 are getting an amazing deal. People who do—who have potentially supported the game for three years—are not.”

PC Gamer gets it. Why doesn’t Anet?

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Again, you can’t buy this level of bad press. Anyone who can’t see ANet dropped the ball, in a big way, at this point is just kidding themselves.

I am not going to bash Anet, but I am gonna say for as many people and sites and now a major magazine to take notice of this situation, it shows that there is a problem, and can’t just be brushed aside and disappeared.

I have been a fan of Anet and the Guild Wars franchise for 10+ years and I am not going to give up on them by any means, I just wish they would take better care of the people that got them where they are. I also wish the fans would take better care of them too. It stinks to see all the hate, and I refuse to participate in that. I will just bide my team and see how it plays out. Pretty sure I will be buying the expansion, the only questions are when and how much.

Here is a link to the existing thread on this topic:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Even-PC-Gamer-is-talking-of-this/page/2#post5177429

Good luck.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Ricky.4706:

I’m starting to wonder if they did this on purpose for free press lol

You mean, there’s no such thing as bad publicity? lol

lol, maybe someone said “hey, we need more feedback” ? haha

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knowa where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

That “real point” is every bit as much opinion as the “fair price” comment.

No it is not, it would be, if ANet hadn’t advertised the expansion as requiring prior purchase of the base game for over six months. But they didn’t, they stated on their home page, at every convention, in their FAQ, in game, and here on the forums that to own HoT you would have to have previously purchased the core game.

ANet themselves made this not a ‘matter of opinion’, they made it a fact, they created this problem. They created rigid expectations in order to sell a product (the base game), and then broke those expectation in order to more easily sell another altogether (the expansion).

Conncept.7638:

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knowa where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

That “real point” is every bit as much opinion as the “fair price” comment.

No it is not, it would be, if ANet hadn’t advertised the expansion as requiring prior purchase of the base game for over six months. But they didn’t, they stated on their home page, at every convention, in their FAQ, in game, and here on the forums that to own HoT you would have to have previously purchased the core game.

ANet themselves made this not a ‘matter of opinion’, they made it a fact, they created this problem. They created expectations in order to sell a product (the base game), and then broke those expectation in order to more easily sell another altogether (the expansion).

It is a matter of opinion that there be a lower price point for HoT alone. If it were not a matter of opinion it would not be possible to hold an opposing opinion. What is/is not fair is always a matter of opinion.

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knowa where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

That “real point” is every bit as much opinion as the “fair price” comment.

No it is not, it would be, if ANet hadn’t advertised the expansion as requiring prior purchase of the base game for over six months. But they didn’t, they stated on their home page, at every convention, in their FAQ, in game, and here on the forums that to own HoT you would have to have previously purchased the core game.

ANet themselves made this not a ‘matter of opinion’, they made it a fact, they created this problem. They created expectations in order to sell a product (the base game), and then broke those expectation in order to more easily sell another altogether (the expansion).

It is a matter of opinion that there be a lower price point for HoT alone. If it were not a matter of opinion it would not be possible to hold an opposing opinion. What is/is not fair is always a matter of opinion.

No it isn’t, denial of plainly obvious fact is not an opinion, it is willful ignorance. They told people that this expansion required previous purchase, and it does not. And therefore, based on the expectation they set, the only fair option is that there be a purchase option where the base game is not included, and logically, since it will contain less content, it should cost less.

Conncept.7638:

No it isn’t, denial of plainly obvious fact is not an opinion, it is willful ignorance. They told people that this expansion required previous purchase, and it does not, and therefore, based on the expectation they set, the only fair option is that there be a purchase option where the base game is not included.

So obviously true it’s painful. People are in denial about this simple fact too? Yeesh. Oh and +1.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Again, you can’t buy this level of bad press. Anyone who can’t see ANet dropped the ball, in a big way, at this point is just kidding themselves.

I really feel that Anet is going more the the new people that the ones that funded them to make the new expansion.
Whether you agree or disagree with me. The bad press is spreading. their usual silent tactic is not working this time. (So far).

Conncept.7638:

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knowa where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

That “real point” is every bit as much opinion as the “fair price” comment.

No it is not, it would be, if ANet hadn’t advertised the expansion as requiring prior purchase of the base game for over six months. But they didn’t, they stated on their home page, at every convention, in their FAQ, in game, and here on the forums that to own HoT you would have to have previously purchased the core game.

ANet themselves made this not a ‘matter of opinion’, they made it a fact, they created this problem. They created expectations in order to sell a product (the base game), and then broke those expectation in order to more easily sell another altogether (the expansion).

It is a matter of opinion that there be a lower price point for HoT alone. If it were not a matter of opinion it would not be possible to hold an opposing opinion. What is/is not fair is always a matter of opinion.

No it isn’t, denial of plainly obvious fact is not an opinion, it is willful ignorance. They told people that this expansion required previous purchase, and it does not, and therefore, based on the expectation they set, the only fair option is that there be a purchase option where the base game is not included.

Fair is always a matter of opinion.

I do believe that the bit about announcing the need the base game and selling it right up until the announcement that the core was included was a misstep. I beljeve that it was a mistake. Fortuately Anet seems to be attempting to correct the mistake for those who purchased after the announcement that the base game would be needed.

Angelica Dream.7103:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Again, you can’t buy this level of bad press. Anyone who can’t see ANet dropped the ball, in a big way, at this point is just kidding themselves.

I really feel that Anet is going more the the new people that the ones that funded them to make the new expansion.
Whether you agree or disagree with me. The bad press is spreading. their usual silent tactic is not working this time. (So far).

Agree. And what’s worse? Let’s say I’m a new player or one interested in the game. Right now, if I did some basic research on recent news about this game, what do you think I’ll find?

Exactly. It doesn’t make me feel confidence about the company nor their expansion if their most loyal fans are screaming, “Foul!”

Just something to consider.

Ashen.2907:

If it were not a matter of opinion it would not be possible to hold an opposing opinion.

You are of the opinion that you are human.

I am of the opinion that you are a cabbage only pretending to be human.

You will note that one of these is clearly a fact, and the other is an opinion in opposition to that fact. It’s an illogical opinion to have, but it can still be held as an opinion. The existence of an opposing opinion is not proof that a stance must be an opinion.

But a human would have known that.
:)

(And my stance is that they did mess up here, but I’m willing to wait and see what the response to the situation is. Bad judgement calls get made, no need for hate.)

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Ashen.2907:

Conncept.7638:

Tyloric.7520:

I still disagree with you. I believe $50 to be a fair price, and with all the threads out there you really didn’t need to make another one.

Fifty dollars being a fair price is a matter of personal opinion, no real reason to argue that point beyond stating why and what of your experience causes you believe it is or is not a fair price.

The real point now made by PC gamer, reddit, these forums and who knowa where else at this point, is that whatever the price is for HoT and the base game, it is only fair for there also be a lower price for HoT alone.

That “real point” is every bit as much opinion as the “fair price” comment.

No it is not, it would be, if ANet hadn’t advertised the expansion as requiring prior purchase of the base game for over six months. But they didn’t, they stated on their home page, at every convention, in their FAQ, in game, and here on the forums that to own HoT you would have to have previously purchased the core game.

ANet themselves made this not a ‘matter of opinion’, they made it a fact, they created this problem. They created expectations in order to sell a product (the base game), and then broke those expectation in order to more easily sell another altogether (the expansion).

It is a matter of opinion that there be a lower price point for HoT alone. If it were not a matter of opinion it would not be possible to hold an opposing opinion. What is/is not fair is always a matter of opinion.

No it isn’t, denial of plainly obvious fact is not an opinion, it is willful ignorance. They told people that this expansion required previous purchase, and it does not, and therefore, based on the expectation they set, the only fair option is that there be a purchase option where the base game is not included.

Fair is always a matter of opinion.

I do believe that the bit about announcing the need the base game and selling it right up until the announcement that the core was included was a misstep. I beljeve that it was a mistake. Fortuately Anet seems to be attempting to correct the mistake for those who purchased after the announcement that the base game would be needed.

Well yeah if you are of the completely ridiculous opinion that the definition of fair doesn’t include keeping your word to the person receiving fair treatment, then sure. But to most of us, that’s not even a point of debate, its a matter of fact that the commonly accepted definition of the word ‘fair’ requires that you keep your word to the person you are attempting to give fair treatment.

Ashen.2907:

No it isn’t, denial of plainly obvious fact is not an opinion, it is willful ignorance. They told people that this expansion required previous purchase, and it does not, and therefore, based on the expectation they set, the only fair option is that there be a purchase option where the base game is not included.

Fair is always a matter of opinion.

I do believe that the bit about announcing the need the base game and selling it right up until the announcement that the core was included was a misstep. I beljeve that it was a mistake. Fortuately Anet seems to be attempting to correct the mistake for those who purchased after the announcement that the base game would be needed.[/quote]

But is the fix the best solution? Sure we give you a refund and then delete a month of your play time away. I think they dropped the ball again.
Maybe just let them update for $50 and give them $10 in gems for losing the month.

Palador.2170:

Ashen.2907:

If it were not a matter of opinion it would not be possible to hold an opposing opinion.

You are of the opinion that you are human.

I am of the opinion that you are a cabbage only pretending to be human.

You will note that one of these is clearly a fact, and the other is an opinion in opposition to that fact. It’s an illogical opinion to have, but it can still be held as an opinion. The existence of an opposing opinion is not proof that a stance must be an opinion.

But a human would have known that.
:)

(And my stance is that they did mess up here, but I’m willing to wait and see what the response to the situation is. Bad judgement calls get made, no need for hate.)

Do you actually hold that opinion or are you merely claiming to?

But point made.

Still, “fair,” is always a matter of opinion.

I believe that they have made some pretty significant mistakes here as well.

I just don’t follow this… the expansion is $50 and that’s the beginning and end of the story. It also includes GW2 if you don’t have it.

You can complain that the price is too high, but, I mean that’s consumerism… many things are priced “too high” but that all depends on where you stand.

Angelica Dream.7103:

Ashen.2907:

No it isn’t, denial of plainly obvious fact is not an opinion, it is willful ignorance. They told people that this expansion required previous purchase, and it does not, and therefore, based on the expectation they set, the only fair option is that there be a purchase option where the base game is not included.

Fair is always a matter of opinion.

I do believe that the bit about announcing the need the base game and selling it right up until the announcement that the core was included was a misstep. I beljeve that it was a mistake. Fortuately Anet seems to be attempting to correct the mistake for those who purchased after the announcement that the base game would be needed.

But is the fix the best solution? Sure we give you a refund and then delete a month of your play time away. I think they dropped the ball again.
Maybe just let them update for $50 and give them $10 in gems for losing the month.
[/quote]

There is a mistake in your quote. Perhaps a forum bug, but it ascribes another’s comments to me.

Are you sure about the lost month? People are reporting being allowed to keep their progress.

I agree that losing progress as part of the fix would be a poor solution.

Lethality.1732:

I just don’t follow this… the expansion is $50 and that’s the beginning and end of the story. It also includes GW2 if you don’t have it.

You can complain that the price is too high, but, I mean that’s consumerism… many things are priced “too high” but that all depends on where you stand.

Check out the PC Gamer article Lethality. It explains things really well.

Already a thread on this,

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Even-PC-Gamer-is-talking-of-this/first

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Here is a link to the existing thread on this topic:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Even-PC-Gamer-is-talking-of-this/page/2#post5177429

Good luck.

Beaten to it lol.

I have no real problem with the price as is outside it would seem ten dollars too high. That said what they might to for PR reasons is grant each account already owning GW2 that buy the expansion 10 Upgrade extracters or some such.

This will then allow older players some ability to extratc needed runes and sigils from gear they want to change stats on.

Ashen.2907:

It is an opinion piece written by someone with a vested interest in the outcome. That is about as far from impartial as you can get.

Do you have proof of this?

Does it matter? It’s certainly newsworthy.

Firstly I want to apologize if this argument was already mentioned by someone else (hard to find because so many forum posts)

Next lets assume that both the GW2 core game and HoT have an effective gaming time (lets say 200 hours and 50 hours respectively). During this period, gamers are very interested in the game and are most likely to buy gems while being least likely to quit.

Then lets assume that new players and veterans will buy gems at the same rate.

Based on these assumptions then it becomes obvious that a new GW2 player is likely going to bring more money towards Anet than a veteran player, simply because they have more effective gaming time (forget everything you bought over the last 3 years, they dont matter anymore). A new player is also able to purchase things which veteran players would have already bought years ago (like bag slots, bank slots, black lion skins etc)

However, if arenanet is thinking “Hey we should try to make the same amount of money from veteran and new players over the next 6 months”, then the easiest way to do this isto make them pay more for the base game, and even encourage them to buy an extra character slot for $10.

TLDR: New player – cheap base game, can buy lots of gems
Veteran player – more expensive game, will not buy lots of gems
Overall both new and veteran players will spend the same amount of money which is all that matters to Anet.

I wouldn’t call it a “deal,” I call it a FREE base game that current Core owners cannot claim.

Current owners can use a new account and get the exact same deal if they were so inclined. Start like a newb or enjoy your 3 years of progression and rewards. The choice is yours. But it is a choice.

DieselFueled.3257:

Current owners can use a new account and get the exact same deal if they were so inclined. Start like a newb or enjoy your 3 years of progression and rewards. The choice is yours. But it is a choice.

I think i paid for my 1,5 year experience by buying the game and about 10k gems by that period. So it is paid already, as i see it.

I am not trying to argue whether or not the selling prices are unfair or not (there are plenty of threads on that). I am just trying to speculate what the bottom line is for Anet when they came up with these pricing packages. thanks

Because Anet or whoever makes the calls sucks at marketing.
Sad, sad, sad.

No matter how you try to spin it, with the current pricing model existing players are essentially fronting the cost of providing the base game to new players.

RE: why new players get the better price deal?

It appears Anet cares more about money generated by attracting new players than taking care of the ones that supported them though out the years.
But since they will not comment on the subject we do not know for sure.

Wolfeng.3784:

Because Anet or whoever makes the calls sucks at marketing.
Sad, sad, sad.

That is probably the truth (although ncsoft are probably to blame). There are plenty of ways they could have spun it to sound good but they chose the one that does not.

I am guessing someone said “hey! how about we throw in this other old property?” during a meeting without thinking it through all the way. Now rather than people fawning over features this mess is haunting their announcement.

New players will barely come due to the addon. 99.9% of addon buyers are in every game people who already play it. Its the same here, so this Bonus gimmick is just a trick on us. ANet think about your shamefull actions

I wont buy expansion as when i bought this game i was under the understanding that was it,one off payment play forever new stuff part of the deal.
and i wont pay that amount out for an expansion,to but an expansion for the price of a full game is kittened and i guess i be with gw2 and will refuse to buy this or any content,just another example of game makers getting greedy.