The main complaint thread has already hit 500 posts and people keep debating their ideas back and forth. I’d like to get some big picture statistics on this. Please only vote once for yourself, using proxy servers and other shenanigans will only muddy the waters. Thank you.
Anet likely didn’t want to remove the armor stats entirely because…well,
we’ve all seen what happens in games where there’s no disadvantage to taking your pants off.
I wouldn’t say that this pick is “P2W” but it is a step into it for future updates.
Anet need to see that this type of item isn’t a smart idea and can’t try to take more steps into the p2w items.
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They ruined the tools I paid for previously, so I hate the new ones.
Unless they give the old tools a bonus of some kind as well.
They did not ruin the ones you bought. You’re spreading a falsehood with this statement. The functionality of what you bought did not change at all.
They did. I can no longer equip the molten alliance pick. The watchwork pick now occupies the slot and there is ZERO reason to use the MA pick over the watchwork one. So the MA pick will now forever gather dust. Thus RUINED.
They ruined the tools I paid for previously, so I hate the new ones.
Unless they give the old tools a bonus of some kind as well.
They did not ruin the ones you bought. You’re spreading a falsehood with this statement. The functionality of what you bought did not change at all.
They did. I can no longer equip the molten alliance pick. The watchwork pick now occupies the slot and there is ZERO reason to use the MA pick over the watchwork one. So the MA pick will now forever gather dust. Thus RUINED.
That is by choice. It is not required for you to buy the new one. There are other means of getting the sprockets. The old pick works fine as it was advertised originally.
That is by choice. It is not required for you to buy the new one. There are other means of getting the sprockets. The old pick works fine as it was advertised originally.
The previous pick was advertised as “The last pick you’ll ever buy”, so best in slot for all eternity. And it was priced accordingly, as for a full set of them you’d almost pay the price of a full game.
Now there is another pick that is better. Thus my original purchase is wasted and worthless as it is no longer best in slot.
Thank you for having the foresight to add a neutral option. This could not affect me less with how useless sprockets are.
And what if the price of sprockets goes up?
And how does that affect me?
It’s easiest to see in an extreme case: Let’s say the price of each sprocket goes up to 100g. Then those with this pick will become extremely rich while those who don’t, won’t.
The extreme case won’t happen, but the idea is the same. Those with the pick are essentially minting money. The more money that enters the economy, the higher prices go up at the TP. However, this money that’s entering the economy goes only to those with the picks. They can afford for prices to go up while those without picks can’t. The more sprockets are worth, the bigger the effect.
Anet just made their own lives more complicated because if they allow the price of sprockets to increase, there will be a point where people will notice and then we’ll really see some outrage.
Ok most of you failed to mention the prices, the M.A.P was 800 gems = $10.00, now the new ones are 1000 gems = S12.50 so therefore players pay more for the added bonus.
Would I pay another $20.00 to upgrade all my 8 M.A.P’s, heck no!
However Anet you are still abusing, pushing and testing your player base’s patience and from what I’ve read they are getting frustrated and annoyed, can you blame them?
I didn’t ask for a refund for 7 of them because I find that having them everywhere is practical. In all fairness the price on the new ones should be reduced to 800 and the 20% removed. If that’s not gonna happen, then consider this, every time you pull a fast one on us you loose a bit more player base.
I like that sprockets will be continually available in decent quantities in the future, keeping options open for people that want power/precision/healing. It’s far better than relying on time gated home instance dispensers… for everyone, not just the people with the pick.
I don’t agree that it’s pay to win. It could become a slight economic advantage in the future, but a) it’ll take a long long time to make up the cost of purchasing it and b) I don’t consider bought economic advantages “winning” when there are so many in-game options to gain economic advantages and break the trade center already. People buying gems, or “paying to win” are actually working against inflation.
I don’t agree that people who bought the old items are entitled to refunds or reimbursement of any kind. They got what they paid for, and it still functions as advertised. Technology advances, and you can spend money to keep up to date or you can stick with the version you have.
I understand the concerns of people looking it as a precedent for potentially broken advantages being added to gems-exclusive purchases, but right now I see it as just a slippery slope argument.
Ok most of you failed to mention the prices, the M.A.P was 800 gems = $10.00, now the new ones are 1000 gems = S12.50 so therefore players pay more for the added bonus.
You are missing the fact they increased the price when it was made account-bound, so only the soul-bound version (the very batch I believe) sold for 800, while when they came back they sold for 1000 gems each.
After reading through several dozen posts by other people and observing the situation these are the main reasons why people dislike the new pick:
1. P2W giving out free crafting materials, this is more than the 0c cost per gather on infinite tools.
2. Gear treadmill for infinite gathering items that cost real $$$.
3. No prior warning about having old gathering tools made obsolete.
Anet likely didn’t want to remove the armor stats entirely because…well,
we’ve all seen what happens in games where there’s no disadvantage to taking your pants off.
After reading through several dozen posts by other people and observing the situation these are the main reasons why people dislike the new pick:
1. P2W giving out free crafting materials, this is more than the 0c cost per gather on infinite tools.
2. Gear treadmill for infinite gathering items that cost real $$$.
3. No prior warning about having old gathering tools made obsolete.
Excellent summary!
I personally agree with all these complaints but are most unhappy about problem 2.
That is by choice. It is not required for you to buy the new one. There are other means of getting the sprockets. The old pick works fine as it was advertised originally.
The previous pick was advertised as “The last pick you’ll ever buy”, so best in slot for all eternity. And it was priced accordingly, as for a full set of them you’d almost pay the price of a full game.
Now there is another pick that is better. Thus my original purchase is wasted and worthless as it is no longer best in slot.
It is SO WRONG for the reason stated by Challa.7146 when “the authority” stated in their own words for the last pick that was released as being “The last pick you’ll ever buy” affectively declaring it as being best in slot. Doesn’t anyone else besides Challa and myself not remember this.
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Anet likely didn’t want to remove the armor stats entirely because…well,
we’ve all seen what happens in games where there’s no disadvantage to taking your pants off.
That is by choice. It is not required for you to buy the new one. There are other means of getting the sprockets. The old pick works fine as it was advertised originally.
The previous pick was advertised as “The last pick you’ll ever buy”, so best in slot for all eternity. And it was priced accordingly, as for a full set of them you’d almost pay the price of a full game.
Now there is another pick that is better. Thus my original purchase is wasted and worthless as it is no longer best in slot.
It is SO WRONG for the reason stated by Challa.7146 when “the authority” stated in their own words for the last pick that was released as being “The last pick you’ll ever buy” affectively declaring it as being best in slot. Doesn’t anyone else besides Challa and myself not remember this.
I didn’t remember this. It’s pretty bad. Of course, not a broken contract/lawsuit bad, but rather a “as a customer, I don’t trust their words anymore” bad.
The animation of the new pick is not so great in my opinion. It’s just a green blob, this is probably why they added the sprocket thing to it so people wouldn’t complain about how plain the animation is….
Since when did this business of being a hero become being a business?
I dont mind them. I happen to own the other unlimited pick on my main account and on my son’s account he just got the new pick. I don’t have any issue if he or any other player has a chance at obtaining sprockets. They can do the grind for it and I can just buy what they sell. BUT that is how I play this game
^ You can trade your Soulbound picks (and other soulbound unlimited tools) for account bound versions by showing them to the Black Lion merchants in LA.
^ You can trade your Soulbound picks (and other soulbound unlimited tools) for account bound versions by showing them to the Black Lion merchants in LA.
That is by choice. It is not required for you to buy the new one. There are other means of getting the sprockets. The old pick works fine as it was advertised originally.
The previous pick was advertised as “The last pick you’ll ever buy”, so best in slot for all eternity. And it was priced accordingly, as for a full set of them you’d almost pay the price of a full game.
Now there is another pick that is better. Thus my original purchase is wasted and worthless as it is no longer best in slot.
I can’t find anywhere ArenaNet said this is ‘the last pick you’ll ever buy’. Here is the actual text when the Bone Pick (the previous pick) was released:
’New—Bone Pick
This gruesome mining pick is made from the toughest ossified body parts around and is guaranteed to gather even the most valuable metals without ever breaking!’
If you have another source, I’d be thrilled to see it. =)
I, personally, don’t have a problem with the new pick. I would/may buy one if I find Gold-to-Gems hit a level I am comfortable with. I don’t think it is P2W in any shape or form, just as I don’t feel gathering boosters are. EotM is releasing with the next patch, and as far as I can tell, Scarlet minions are present there, so likely sprockets drop there, as well.
I don’t feel like I am ‘winning’ because I happen to have a Candy Corn node, nor do I feel like I am ‘losing’ because I don’t have a Crystal node. But, that’s just me. =)
Thank you for having the foresight to add a neutral option. This could not affect me less with how useless sprockets are.
And what if the price of sprockets goes up?
And how does that affect me?
It’s easiest to see in an extreme case: Let’s say the price of each sprocket goes up to 100g. Then those with this pick will become extremely rich while those who don’t, won’t.
The extreme case won’t happen, but the idea is the same. Those with the pick are essentially minting money. The more money that enters the economy, the higher prices go up at the TP. However, this money that’s entering the economy goes only to those with the picks. They can afford for prices to go up while those without picks can’t. The more sprockets are worth, the bigger the effect.
Anet just made their own lives more complicated because if they allow the price of sprockets to increase, there will be a point where people will notice and then we’ll really see some outrage.
That has absolutely no impact on me. I wouldn’t care if you could then buy legendaries from the gem store for half an hour only.
Nothing has been taken from me. Nobody will spend 100 gold for a sprocket when you need 500 of them for one recipe. Nobody will actually even USE the horrible combination of power, precision and healing power. I don’t even care if someone new logs in to the game, has 80 in every class and a million gold.
Same discussion starts to grow as the two previous ones..of which one was closed by Anet..so I stay on topic
LOVE this new one!
Got me already quite a few sprockets which will be , IMO (In My Opinion..it is mine…not yours..don’t care about yours, no offense :P) be worth something more then just the 35 copper it is now. If not, well..it looks cool too
Nothing has been taken from me. Nobody will spend 100 gold for a sprocket when you need 500 of them for one recipe. Nobody will actually even USE the horrible combination of power, precision and healing power. I don’t even care if someone new logs in to the game, has 80 in every class and a million gold.
It does not affect my game in any sense. [/quote]
And you will kick those peoples behinds in any part of the game anyway..hoarding gold by using real money does NOT teach someone to dodge LOL
Or use skills..
And you will kick those peoples behinds in any part of the game anyway..hoarding gold by using real money does NOT teach someone to dodge LOL
Or use skills..
Or setting traits
Or select the best armor
Or..etc etc etc
99% of you don’t even do that yourselves. You all run to the forum and say “What’s the best?” You don’t question it. You don’t test it. You just run in and then tell everyone “That is the best because damage.” You don’t know WHY!
So like I said, I would not notice a difference. It does not affect my game.
Its a power creep in gem store store items…. Fact.
Its a slap in the face to those who bought Molten Picks… Fact.
You cannot get sprockets from mining without buying it…. Fact.
It’s the beginning of P2W… My opinion.
I hate the pick… Fact.
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I’m not sure how that’s Pay2Win, it’s just convenient. People really need to touch up on what Pay2Win means, you can buy gold in this game with gems, is that Pay2Win? No.
Go play Planetside2. You can buy the best gun at level 1 and you will one shot everything; that’s Pay2Win.
