Guild Wars 2

It’s official, Guild Wars 2 is behind on housing yet…
ANet it saying they are not working on it so should no one to ask about it.
Let’s take a look at MMORPGs having housing, and it seems GW2 lacks… alot.

So when is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious about Guild Halls or Housing?

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Are you asking a question or posing a discussion?

If you are asking about when GW2 will get serious, then the answer will be idk. Because I’m not on the dev team.

If you are trying to start a discussion, try to lead with a post that promotes civil discussion instead of using terms with obvious negative connotations and undertones (everyone but GW2, GW2 lacks…alot, when is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious, laundry list of competitors).

That said, I would like to see housing in GW2. In fact, I would like to see a focus on more “non-combat” systems in the game, including minigames that were mentioned prior to launch.

“Guild Halls” – Awesome

“Player Houses” – Not so awesome…..borderline freakin kitten actually

Pustulio.8207:

“Guild Halls” – Awesome

“Player Houses” – Not so awesome…..borderline freakin kitten actually

Guild Halls are just standard… period
and we don’t even have that.

Folk.2093:

Soulstar.7812:

It’s official, Guild Wars 2 is behind on housing yet…
ANet it saying they are not working on it so should no one to ask about it.
Let’s take a look at MMORPGs having housing, and it seems GW2 lacks… alot.

Lord of the Rings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVJOsV8CyW8

Aion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMw9Pa5I6vQ

Wildstar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=YQm7eOjyQSY

Everquest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysnww5d-6l8

Star Wars Galaxy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGMfCV7b34

Final Fantasy XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFrLYZ8zQM

Rift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iszkazbhi-c

So when is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious about Guild Halls or Housing?

small list of crappy MMO’s you put together there.

SWG isn’t even playable anymore.

Ok Trollish McChuckles… even dead mmorpgs have that feature that was the point.
WoW has Guild Halls, what do you want a list every MMORPG you like?

Name one MMO you like, junior…
It’s got a guild hall or housing… so you point was… what?

WoW got no housing, as far as I know – must be a bad game I guess.

Soulstar.7812:

Folk.2093:

Soulstar.7812:

It’s official, Guild Wars 2 is behind on housing yet…
ANet it saying they are not working on it so should no one to ask about it.
Let’s take a look at MMORPGs having housing, and it seems GW2 lacks… alot.

Lord of the Rings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVJOsV8CyW8

Aion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMw9Pa5I6vQ

Wildstar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=YQm7eOjyQSY

Everquest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysnww5d-6l8

Star Wars Galaxy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGMfCV7b34

Final Fantasy XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFrLYZ8zQM

Rift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iszkazbhi-c

So when is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious about Guild Halls or Housing?

small list of crappy MMO’s you put together there.

SWG isn’t even playable anymore.

Ok Trollish McChuckles… even dead mmorpgs have that feature that was the point.
WoW has Guild Halls, what do you want a list every MMORPG you like?

Name one MMO you like, junior…
It’s got a guild hall or housing… so you point was… what?

Dead MMO’s aren’t a good comparison for anything, they’re dead for a reason. Same goes for MMO’s with low population.

It’s funny that WoW is nowhere on that list.

Rift didn’t have player housing for 18 months after it launched.

LOTRO took 6 months after launch.

Wildstar isn’t out yet. Housing also ‘fits’ in Wildstar as opposed to just being a tacked on feature to make people happy.

Everquest took 11 years to get around to making player housing.

New games just generally have more important things to deal with than making player housing. Anet has said maybe one day they’ll get around to it. With luck it won’t be 11 years. It might even be less than 18 months, but it’s obviously going to be more than 6 months.

Feature creep. It’s a thing.

Edit: Also LOTRO’s player housing was really just the ‘walk in closet’ of bank tabs. It was really kind of bad when I played. I haven’t played the other games when they had player housing though I’ve heard great things about Rift’s player housing.

I quite like player housing when done properly. Developers, however, seem to not be too keen on the idea.

Having said that, given the choices of housing or bug fixes/more content, I’ll take the second option…

Folk.2093:

Soulstar.7812:

Folk.2093:

Soulstar.7812:

It’s official, Guild Wars 2 is behind on housing yet…
ANet it saying they are not working on it so should no one to ask about it.
Let’s take a look at MMORPGs having housing, and it seems GW2 lacks… alot.

Lord of the Rings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVJOsV8CyW8

Aion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMw9Pa5I6vQ

Wildstar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=YQm7eOjyQSY

Everquest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysnww5d-6l8

Star Wars Galaxy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGMfCV7b34

Final Fantasy XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFrLYZ8zQM

Rift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iszkazbhi-c

So when is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious about Guild Halls or Housing?

small list of crappy MMO’s you put together there.

SWG isn’t even playable anymore.

Ok Trollish McChuckles… even dead mmorpgs have that feature that was the point.
WoW has Guild Halls, what do you want a list every MMORPG you like?

Name one MMO you like, junior…
It’s got a guild hall or housing… so you point was… what?

Dead MMO’s aren’t a good comparison for anything, they’re dead for a reason. Same goes for MMO’s with low population.

Name one MMO besides GW2, because you still don’t have a point.

Unspecified.9142:

It’s funny that WoW is nowhere on that list.

Scroll up.

Housing (both player, and guild) is a highly requested feature, and Anet has been commenting lightly that they plan on doing both and they were planning and looking at the best ways to implement them before the game even launched, and it was still on their agenda like 3 months ago so there’s a good chance we’ll be seeing it. I love how Wildstar is doing it.

Wait, WoW doesn’t have Guild Halls.

Shanna.4762:

Housing (both player, and guild) is a highly requested feature, and Anet has been commenting lightly that they plan on doing both and they were planning and looking at the best ways to implement them before the game even launched, and it was still on their agenda like 3 months ago so there’s a good chance we’ll be seeing it. I love how Wildstar is doing it.

Hate to break your heart, but no they are not working on it.

They said they would, but mention weeks ago they said:
-They weren’t working on it
-Stop asking about it cus they aren’t working on it.

Soulstar.7812:

Unspecified.9142:

It’s funny that WoW is nowhere on that list.

Scroll up.

A) I was typing as that conversation happened.

B) Those posts contain nothing relevant to the rest of my post which contains actually relevant points rather than just something I found amusing.

Unspecified.9142:

Soulstar.7812:

Unspecified.9142:

It’s funny that WoW is nowhere on that list.

Scroll up.

A) I was typing as that conversation happened.

B) Those posts contain nothing relevant to the rest of my post which contains actually relevant points rather than just something I found amusing.

Ok, and the counter-point… was?

I loved SWG so much. Miss that game.

I woud love house of my own. I like charrs, a steampunk house in BlackCitadel will rock. something like an instance.

I bet the graphical departament will do wonders if they get lose on this project. something like asuras will have a home with display panels, computers, charr like I said steampunk. humans medieval… etc.

Guild house… mehh, are still to impersonal for me, never give much crap about guild houses in other games.

Yeah. What is the point of making this thread? I mean… the title makes it seem like you’re using a tactic that childs are using against their parents to get what they want.

“But MOM, everyone else in class got an iPhone!! I want one too!”

Did you expect them to include everything other MMOs have/had at release? You can’t just copy/paste features from other MMOs when you release a new one.
They’re using different game-engines. You have to spend time and money to make said feature. A simple fact MANY people seem to forget (or ignore.)

Also, in my opinion. Prioritize other things Anet.

SWG is dead because the gameplay turned to crap and it simply ran its course as an MMO. Player housing in it, on the other hand, was orgasmic. You could decorate anything, make beautiful designs as you had full access to placing anything anywhere, you had very good control over the lighting, there was a very lenient allocation of items you could place, and it allowed for some brilliantly creative designs such as replicating a giant Millenium Falcon in your home or completely revamping how the house design looked by simply placing furniture in the right place with lots of practice.

If you were to go find the best of the player housing in SWG, I’m not pulling your leg if I were to tell you it should be considered the gold standard for MMO housing.

Star Wars The Old Republic, Age of Conan does not have player housing. AoC does have a guild hall though.

Soulstar.7812:

Ok, and the counter-point… was?

Feature Creep. It’s a thing.

But, I guess I’ll spell it out for you.

New games have less features than old games. As games age they add stuff. Guild Wars 2 is a new game. They are adding stuff in the order they feel is right for their game. Important stuff first, other stuff later.

Patience is awesome.

I’d forgotten how incredibly crappy the housing was in FFXI. Just a big bland rectangle with an unmovable NPC moogle in the middle, and a bunch of non-interactive furniture that your character didn’t possess any /emotes to interact with. Also, you still couldn’t invite a friend into your room when I quit (the catgirl in that guy’s video is a second NPC).

This game is six months out of beta. FFXI had housing at 6 months, but it was trash, and is still trash years later. Did any of those other games have it at this stage in their lifespans?

Housing is the least of this game´s problems is totally useless and doesn´t fit into the general theme of this game.

The only acceptable excuse for “housing” would be for ANet to flesh out the home instance an thus make good on their promise of us having an “oh so unique” personal story.

I don’t think player housing will do much for the game, wouldn’t be worth the costs. Simple guild housing, similar to Guild Wars 1 would be really cool though.

. . . I’m surprised nobody brought up Ultima Online and how housing made the landscape look like small cities with houses crammed anywhere they would possibly fit. And they still stunk due to the way the game worked (not always secure and sometimes a sign saying “come get me” if it was in a spot someone else wanted).

I really want both Guild Halls and Player Housing. I feel that both would give players an extra little cosmetic fun to flesh out the endgame, that GHs would promote guild loyalty and representation and that, if implimented correctly, could also add depth to the PvP scene.

Guild halls were a planned feature for GW2, and as far as I’ve heard they weren’t cut from the plans. It’ll happen eventually. You can be upset that it’s not already done if you want, but arguing that it should be in the game doesn’t serve much point considering the devs already know that

Player housing is a different situation – not all MMOs had it and it took different forms in the ones that did. If GW2 implemented it – and it’s not out of the question, GW1 made sizable changes in expansions too – it would have to be in a way that made sense for the game. The personal instance wouldn’t be a bad spot to put it, except well… norn. Yeah. I guess you could occupy a wing of the Great Hall and renovate it to your liking…

Pustulio.8207:

“Guild Halls” – Awesome

“Player Houses” – Not so awesome…..borderline freakin kitten actually

Agreed.

Guild Halls are much needed. Including scrimmage & GvG. My own little house I can sit in alone and play dress ups, not so much.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

. . . I’m surprised nobody brought up Ultima Online and how housing made the landscape look like small cities with houses crammed anywhere they would possibly fit. And they still stunk due to the way the game worked (not always secure and sometimes a sign saying “come get me” if it was in a spot someone else wanted).

Are you dissing on UO? How dare you!

Palinore.9204:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

. . . I’m surprised nobody brought up Ultima Online and how housing made the landscape look like small cities with houses crammed anywhere they would possibly fit. And they still stunk due to the way the game worked (not always secure and sometimes a sign saying “come get me” if it was in a spot someone else wanted).

Are you dissing on UO? How dare you!

I played UO, and I enjoyed playing on UO, but . . .

There were plenty of nice flat places which became overrun with housing. (Verity Island, that white snowy island?) It made it impossible to see any kind of landscape let alone people hiding between houses due to the view. This led often to PKers hiding in there on mounts and rushing out to gank people who were close enough.

Then there were places between forests and mountains where you could stick a small house . . . and people did, nice little mining shacks. Which screamed out “hey, come get me, I’m making metal!” to the savvy . . . and if someone wanted that spot for their own house all they had to do was camp it and figure out who owned it, then kill them until they gave up.

Like I said, I played UO and I liked certain aspects of it. The housing was one which was a huge mixed bag. Convenient, and useful, but if you made an effort to get it to look nice there was a high chance of getting yourself harassed due to being a target. And if you happened to be good at everything but PvP?

. . . UO was not fun if you weren’t good at PvP.

Player housing? Guild housing has been as standard as the general chat and we don’t have that.

I’d rather have them do something interesting with features that are already there, like home instances, then just fill the game with more features that may or may not be relevant for players.

you just posted a list of failed games and ask why GW2 don’t use same fail ideas?

we don’t play “decorate interior” MMO… you have SIMS for that…

nobody need player housing.
nobody.
no.

we better have guild halls, guild castles , guild airships…

Guild housing should be in the game. Except instead of guild housing, it should be a guild fort, with walls and towers and a Lord. And your wuvwuv opponents can come to your guild fort and start a FIGHT and then a big message comes over your screen saying YOUR FORT IS BEING INVADED DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT? And then your guild and the other guild gets an even team depending on how many people want to fight and depending on how many fortifications you put into your fort the other team gets that many points to spend on siege weapons and you FIGHT.

The only way I’d take player housing was if it was done in the same fashion as Asheron’s Call.

In-world housing, for players, the rich, guild mansions, etc.

Great gold sink when rent comes around too, and great place to have meetings/show off stuff.

And have instanced apartments for the masses, the same way Asheron’s Call does it. This way everyone can have a little place of their own.

Don’t forget the game which introduced player housing. Developed for the player to have the most customization and fun! Its a shame that in 15+ years player housing has not evolved for the better. (only the graphics have improved). Anyone remember house break in’s? House looting is still available though

Ultima Online Player housing: http://youtu.be/PI8vATwlgRs

Havent played it in decades but DCUO added player lairs and pvp within them. Sounds like GW1 guild halls. So it’s like other MMOs are copying GW1 ‘housing’ and GW2 isn’t copying itself. .-.

As others mentioned before, housing appeared on most MMORPGs later in their developement process, even years later. There are far more important features needed into the game (and any MMORPG) than housing or guild halls. They are a welcome addition but doesn’t offer as much as other features and/or bug fixes – class balance.

So, the “home instance” doesn’t count as our “house” then?

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Palinore.9204:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

. . . I’m surprised nobody brought up Ultima Online and how housing made the landscape look like small cities with houses crammed anywhere they would possibly fit. And they still stunk due to the way the game worked (not always secure and sometimes a sign saying “come get me” if it was in a spot someone else wanted).

Are you dissing on UO? How dare you!

I played UO, and I enjoyed playing on UO, but . . .

There were plenty of nice flat places which became overrun with housing. (Verity Island, that white snowy island?) It made it impossible to see any kind of landscape let alone people hiding between houses due to the view. This led often to PKers hiding in there on mounts and rushing out to gank people who were close enough.

Then there were places between forests and mountains where you could stick a small house . . . and people did, nice little mining shacks. Which screamed out “hey, come get me, I’m making metal!” to the savvy . . . and if someone wanted that spot for their own house all they had to do was camp it and figure out who owned it, then kill them until they gave up.

Like I said, I played UO and I liked certain aspects of it. The housing was one which was a huge mixed bag. Convenient, and useful, but if you made an effort to get it to look nice there was a high chance of getting yourself harassed due to being a target. And if you happened to be good at everything but PvP?

. . . UO was not fun if you weren’t good at PvP.

My guild on Ultima Online had a 15 house player city. Most of us were not good at pvp, but it was still so fun for one single pvp god to come visit our city. Usually 5 of us online against one good player could not always take him down! But if we did you could chop off the player killers head and display it in a chest on your table

Mizuki Kusanagi.6584:

So, the “home instance” doesn’t count as our “house” then?

No it doesn’t since we can’t modify it, decorate it, add to it, put furniture, hang trophies, plant trees.

Can’t do anything really.

Guild housing or halls are a waste, in my opinion only. Player housing would be awesome! The possibilities from the gem store alone are staggering. Why Anet isn’t loooking into that is beyond me.

If we do ever get player/guild housing, i hope it is not instanced! Instanced housing takes away all the “social” and community fun that open world housing allows. Game worlds are huge, and developers are able to make whole zones for housing.

lisamee.2408:

If we do ever get player/guild housing, i hope it is not instanced! Instanced housing takes away all the “social” and community fun that open world housing allows. Game worlds are huge, and developers are able to make whole zones for housing.

It will probably be instanced. Open world housing would be full of issues

Home instance will be developed further, but right now there are more priorities imo.
Skill fixes, more skills, system that fills dead maps….

Aion got housing maybe 2-3 years after the release when players obviously started to leave the game including myself. Personally i am not the fan of housing. I don’t think its a big deal beside the lot issues the game currently have. When i will able to to see more than 10 opponent in W3 at a time while 40 is sitting on my neck than they can start thinking of polishing 2ndlife things.

BUT A Guild Hall would be a nice addition with trade broker, crafting and bank access. Finally i could get rid of LA kitten lot loading while still having access to the main things.

Hi! Thank you for this discussion and your feedback. Unfortunately we have to close this thread as posting youtube links to other MMO adverts is considered advertizing. Therefore the links have been removed.
You are very welcome to reformulate the housing discussion without the links and/or open your own thread in the suggestions subforum
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