Guild Wars 2

if the process of assembling a group, preparing for the encounter and then implementing that plan isn’t fun for you… use common sense and maybe don’t stand around for 2 hours waiting for something you don’t even enjoy doing?

like, go do content you do enjoy?

GrandmaFunk.3052:

if the process of assembling a group, preparing for the encounter and then implementing that plan isn’t fun for you… use common sense and maybe don’t stand around for 2 hours waiting for something you don’t even enjoy doing?

like, go do content you do enjoy?

So your solution to doing the new content is to go do other content that has been around for 18 months and been completed 100 times?

Maybe they should make the new content fun instead…

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

So, basically, killing time.

Yeah, I can do that once, twice… but not every time.

I’ve killed so many hours in Sparkfly Fen and dedicated TTS overflows waiting for Tequatl that I really don’t ever want to go there anymore. It used to be one of my favourite maps (love the jungle).

There was a time when I played GW2 and never, ever felt like I was killing time. It was better.

I go into the zone when there’s 20 minutes left on the timer. When I get in, I spend those 20 minutes coordinating with people. I’m not really waiting around for that long.

Yo dawg, so we heard you like fun, so we put zergs to your ascended so you can overflow while you grind

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

So, basically, killing time.

Yeah, I can do that once, twice… but not every time.

I’ve killed so many hours in Sparkfly Fen and dedicated TTS overflows waiting for Tequatl that I really don’t ever want to go there anymore. It used to be one of my favourite maps (love the jungle).

There was a time when I played GW2 and never, ever felt like I was killing time. It was better.

I don’t know. I didn’t feel like I was killing time. I was having fun. I was with guldies. We were laughing and joking around, waiting for the thing to start.

We WERE waiting,. but it wasn’t different from what we do most days. The entire game, from that perspective, is killing time.

There’s nothing so immediate I need to do in this game, so vital, besides maybe the living story before it goes away. Everything else?

I have all the time in the world.

Vayne.8563:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

So, basically, killing time.

Yeah, I can do that once, twice… but not every time.

I’ve killed so many hours in Sparkfly Fen and dedicated TTS overflows waiting for Tequatl that I really don’t ever want to go there anymore. It used to be one of my favourite maps (love the jungle).

There was a time when I played GW2 and never, ever felt like I was killing time. It was better.

I don’t know. I didn’t feel like I was killing time. I was having fun. I was with guldies. We were laughing and joking around, waiting for the thing to start.

We WERE waiting,. but it wasn’t different from what we do most days. The entire game, from that perspective, is killing time.

There’s nothing so immediate I need to do in this game, so vital, besides maybe the living story before it goes away. Everything else?

Well it would be interesting to see whether you still feel that way after so and so many runs.

Vayne.8563:

I have all the time in the world.

I wish I could say the same. Unfortunately my play time is limited to a couple nights a week after work hours. Spending 40 minutes waiting (trying to keep busy with things that I wouldn’t have done otherwise) for a 15 minute activity is not what I need from my hobbies right now.

It’s very much like going to Disneyland and spending 50 minutes in a line for a 3 minute ride. You can admire the landscape and chat with your friends, but if you were to go to Disneyland 3 days a week, on a time budget, spending more time in queues than on rides would get old pretty flippin’ soon.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Vayne.8563:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

So, basically, killing time.

Yeah, I can do that once, twice… but not every time.

I’ve killed so many hours in Sparkfly Fen and dedicated TTS overflows waiting for Tequatl that I really don’t ever want to go there anymore. It used to be one of my favourite maps (love the jungle).

There was a time when I played GW2 and never, ever felt like I was killing time. It was better.

I don’t know. I didn’t feel like I was killing time. I was having fun. I was with guldies. We were laughing and joking around, waiting for the thing to start.

We WERE waiting,. but it wasn’t different from what we do most days. The entire game, from that perspective, is killing time.

There’s nothing so immediate I need to do in this game, so vital, besides maybe the living story before it goes away. Everything else?

Well it would be interesting to see whether you still feel that way after so and so many runs.

Vayne.8563:

I have all the time in the world.

I wish I could say the same. Unfortunately my play time is limited to a couple nights a week after work hours. Spending 40 minutes waiting (trying to keep busy with things that I wouldn’t have done otherwise) for a 15 minute activity is not what I need from my hobbies right now.

It’s very much like going to Disneyland and spending 50 minutes in a line for a 3 minute ride. You can admire the landscape and chat with your friends, but if you were to go to Disneyland 3 days a week, on a time budget, spending more time in queues than on rides would get old pretty flippin’ soon.

Well, I sort of agree. If you don’t have that much time to play and you don’t have that much time to do the new content, and there’s other stuff you enjoy, do that. Some people in my guild are in your boat and they don’t worry about every living story thing that comes out, because they don’t have the time.

They keep working on the other stuff they were working on.

Anet has to design content for everyone. People like you and people like me. There’s stuff for everyone to do.

You can log in at the last minute, attempt the new content, which takes half an hour, then go to LA and watch the new story scenes (if you like that sort of thing). You can keep working on a legendary or run dungeons or Fractals or WvW. All that stuff is still there.

But Anet also needs to keep people entertained who play a lot. That’s the issue really. It’s a very hard balance to pull off.

If I didn’t have stuff to do, over a period of time, I’d play less. If I (and people like me) play less there’s less people in the world.

If people who can play twice a week don’t show up those two times a week…generally speaking, it’ll affect the overall world population quite a bit less, unless there are significantly more of them.

I’m not saying it’s cool or it’s good or it’s easy. I’m saying the reality is, they can’t make the game for people who can only play a couple of times a week.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Remember this:

“We keep hearing other MMO developers espousing the “holy trinity” of DPS/ heal/tank with such reverence, as if this is the most entertaining combat they have ever played. Frankly, we don’t like sitting around spamming “looking for healer” to global chat. That feels an awful lot like preparing to have fun instead of having fun. "

“That feels an awful lot like preparing to have fun instead of having fun.”

Yep, now instead we have replaced it with the ultra fun stand around for 2 hours waiting for an event to start you can zerg it with 200 people who won’t listen to direction and then fail!

Source: http://gw2101.gtm.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/combat/healing-death/

Yes. And, even without Anet’s replacement, I would still have a problem with their statement. I have played a trinity-based MMO for years and have never once looked for a healer (or tank for that matter) in chat. I use the LFG tool and it does all the work of assembling the team. I’m leveling a monk right now and queuing as new dungeons open up. I have never waited more than 3 minutes for a queue to pop.

Much of the case against trinity is based on a problem that really doesn’t exist for most players.

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

But how is that different from other MMO’s like Anet promised? I could do the exact same thing in WoW while waiting for a healer. In fact I could do more. I could go anywhere and participate in any aspect of the game I wanted while waiting for a healer.

The point is I want to do this new content, not the other stuff. So just like other MMO’s I have to wait around and do things I would rather NOT be doing just to wait for the thing I want to do. That was what Anet tried to solve, but now they seem to be anti-solving it. I would like them to go back to the original design of the game, I should be able to grab 5 people and jump right into the event/content. At launch there wasn’t a single thing in the game that couldn’t be beaten by a simple group of 5… now look at us, you need 200+ and 30 minutes of organization on top of waiting in a zone you might not want to be in for an additional hour just to participate in a single 15 minute event that has a >50% chance of failing at any given time.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

But how is that different from other MMO’s like Anet promised? I could do the exact same thing in WoW while waiting for a healer.

It’s not.

Quite frankly we were all just dumb enough to buy into the lie that it would be.

We have all the penalties of a Trinity without any of the benefits.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I got into the main server today and hung out doing events in that server, while waiting for the event to start. I certainly didn’t stand there for an hour doing nothing. I farmed mats, I did some events, I explored a bit. I tried to climb up places I hadn’t been able to climb in the past.

Even just going around killing stuff is better than standing and waiting for an hour.

But how is that different from other MMO’s like Anet promised? I could do the exact same thing in WoW while waiting for a healer. In fact I could do more. I could go anywhere and participate in any aspect of the game I wanted while waiting for a healer.

The point is I want to do this new content, not the other stuff. So just like other MMO’s I have to wait around and do things I would rather NOT be doing just to wait for the thing I want to do. That was what Anet tried to solve, but now they seem to be anti-solving it. I would like them to go back to the original design of the game, I should be able to grab 5 people and jump right into the event/content. At launch there wasn’t a single thing in the game that couldn’t be beaten by a simple group of 5… now look at us, you need 200+ and 30 minutes of organization on top of waiting in a zone you might not want to be in for an additional hour just to participate in a single 15 minute event that has a >50% chance of failing at any given time.

In WoW I currently wait anywhere from 8-12 minutes if I want to do a dungeon as a DPS and 25-35 minutes for the current raid as a DPS. Half an hour is kind of long but you get a lot of fun content. With my organized raid group, my wait time is of course zero for any role.

I never bothered with Teq because I had to get there an hour early just to avoid the overflow and still end up failing. Won’t be bothering with the new bosses either.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Remember this:

“We keep hearing other MMO developers espousing the “holy trinity” of DPS/ heal/tank with such reverence, as if this is the most entertaining combat they have ever played. Frankly, we don’t like sitting around spamming “looking for healer” to global chat. That feels an awful lot like preparing to have fun instead of having fun. "

“That feels an awful lot like preparing to have fun instead of having fun.”

Yep, now instead we have replaced it with the ultra fun stand around for 2 hours waiting for an event to start you can zerg it with 200 people who won’t listen to direction and then fail!

Source: http://gw2101.gtm.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/combat/healing-death/

2 hours? lucky. On my server you have to get to the map in 3-4 hours early so you don’t end up in a overflow. That’s why I’ll be ignoring this update. I want to play, not wait.

I play Angry Birds alt-tabbed while waiting for things to start.

I totally get what the OP is saying, because I also don’t have a lot of time to play, at least not weeknights. I’m planning on doing the Mariontette event and the Scarlett’s lair thing, on Sunday.

I agree though that the waiting around part is not fun. That is one reason that once I was in on beating Teq, ONCE, I never went back, and never will. With limited play time, the last thing I want to do is stand around and twiddle my thumbs, waiting to have fun.. which ANet said we wouldn’t be doing.

The trinity really has nothing to do with the open world content. Even if GW2 had the trinity the open world content would not be effected. As for the “fun” part, a game is what YOU make of it. If you aren’t having fun, play something else.

Omega Mayhem.7163:

I play Angry Birds alt-tabbed while waiting for things to start.

I do the same thing (alt-tab & play something else).

That’s a really bad habit for ANet to get us players into, though, because eventually, we’ll forget to go back to GW2.

Vick.6805:

That’s a really bad habit for ANet to get us players into, though, because eventually, we’ll forget to go back to GW2.

LOL. That probably explains some of the folks who end up AFK.

With TTS I usually arrive about an hour early. After I’m situated where I need to be and receive my marching orders I put TeamSpeak/game on speaker and do other things until I hear the signs that the encounter is about to start. Not exactly “fun” but I try to be “productive”.

I get this, but I don’t see how they would fix it, besides adding more single player content.

As long as anything requires more than just you, there will be folks waiting for others to join or for an event to start. The overflows constitute a technical limitation and may as well be a “raid size” max that takes over a zone during the fights. I kinda wish you could have two types of overflows, one for people playing through the content (lower levels) and one for specific event raid groups, then make the different overflows selectable instead of decided for us.

As for what to do while waiting, I spent my time completing the map, farming mats (iron and silver are nice right now), and more or less trying to make myself useful in between bouts. You get so little loot for time spent (collecting key parts for an eventual payout of phat lewts) that after the first few kills and filling out the meta, I’ll probably stick to other things until the next update.

I guess with stuff like this, its just about pacing yourself, looking for opportunities to focus your time towards other things when you are waiting. Then try not to force yourself to do those events past a certain point. Its like, is the reward worth it? ok, do it until you get the reward and then stop. :P

Only time I work against this idea is like back when scarlet invasions were a cash cow and I was able to make hundreds of gold in a few weeks by hitting those things every hour. The current “key collection” isn’t tremendously inspiring towards that end, but has some good rewards. Unless there’s something more compelling than gold to be made, I’ll probably go back to dungeons/farming at my own pace.

Korossive.7085:

Yo dawg, so we heard you like fun, so we put zergs to your ascended so you can overflow while you grind

Why u no have more thumbs up!?

I was pretty cheerful the whole night, but this is definitely the icing and cherry on top!

I’ve waited nearly an hour for Maw to start. The current problem might be worse, but it’s not new.

I logged in, I was placed in overflow directly (my char was still in LP).
Event started, about 40 people in overflow, Event failed.

Logged out. So much fun doing other things than that.