Guild Wars 2

After watching the Heart Of Thorns Trailer and reading alot of hoping its an expansion (
correct me if im wrong) and coming up with ideas for classes and what not for the next chapter of GW2. I think raising the level cap would be a great idea.

I don’t what level Anet would raise it to but doing that would give playing heart of thorns more of a reason to play think about this:

A’lot of people are at 80 now and cant seem to enjoy endgame (though i am quite a bit)

raising the level cap with new content and new skills (we definitely need new skills)
would give a reason to play heart of thorns.

If your lvl 80 and Heart of Thorns comes out with new content, quests, dungeons,living story etc what would make you keep playing the new content?

if the level cap is raised you wouldn’t be done with your chars and hopefully they will make tyria’s map bigger with more content so there will be more to do after 80. adding on with new armor, classes,

i dont know just a random thought wanted to know what other’s might think of it. just an idea

Imagine the storm it would create though haha. People spend tons of gold on asc armors. It’s not gonna happen

There’s a very distinct chance that some unknown-but-tacitly-relevant quantity of people would quietly abandon GW2 and never come back if they raised the level cap and effectively rendered all our gear collections obsolete.

Personally, I’d be gone the moment I read the confirmed intention. If I’m going to play a gear-treadmill game, I’ll play one that never tried to be anything else and has been doing it right from the start.

GW2 trying to be that? No. That is not why I (or probably some/many) are here. That is not the game experience I want here. That is not what I will accept here.

This topic has been beaten to death with a stick so much. You can make endgame content without adding in more artificial progression, y’know?

If your lvl 80 and Heart of Thorns comes out with new content, quests, dungeons,living story etc what would make you keep playing the new content?

The same thing that keeps us playing now ?

Worst idea ever .. and has been discussed already 1000 of times.

Just remember that people could be instant new max level with level-up tomes, and
then they can trash all their ascended gear just to grind again for the next gear.

I prefer to grind for new skins because they are not obsolet like gear with stats,
whenever there comes something new.

no plz

God, no. 80 levels were 60 too many. So completely demotivating for alts…

Imo, there’s no point in raising the level cap if there’s no gear progression, and GW2 (and Gw1 for that matter) is not one of “those” games.
Same thing apllies viceversa (i.e., there’s no point in gear progression if there’s no level cap update).

We don’t need added levels to keep playing, we “just” need new maps, dungeons etc… :P

People have invested a lot of time, gold, resources and in some cases real currency in acquiring Ascended, Legendary, and Elite equipment. Raising the level cap would render all that work and equipment useless, and would be very unwise. People would leave in droves. Very bad idea.

They can add new maps, new content, new skills, new traits without increasing the level cap so why increase it?

I think we will get:

*New lvls of infusions- currently only blue quality
*Craftable ascended trinkets
*Solo mode dungeons OR hero/henchy/merc system from gw1 (unlikely)
*A new progression panel to augment our characters in a non-op way – sorta like wvw ability points system but more class oriented.
*A couple new weapon choices that can be used by all classes
*Modable/Swapable weapon skills to tweak how each weapon skill works
*A way to set our high lvl character’s power, in low lvl areas, down significantly to increase our drops quality. A type of hardmode in a way.

Mostly a wish list I guess ;-)
This sort of stuff.

I’m honestly more in favour of a level cap decrease. I only have one level 80 that wasn’t due to copious amounts of craft-levelling, and even on that character, I got to 400+ tailoring before reaching level 80.

Or they could remove levels entirely and make the game more like The Secret World. That would be awesome.

Absolutely not. This is a dealbreaker for me. If the cap is raised and people need to grind out ascended gear and legendaries all over again that’s the end of this game for me.

Raising the cap causes more problems without solving any. It causes massive power creep/stat imbalances (look at WoW for a prime example of bloated stats that become meaningless). It creates ghost town zones as all the prior end game zones are ditched because they’re no longer high level. It’s content REPLACEMENT not content EXPANSION.

You can do new skills, new zones, new weapons and armor, all that without a cap increase, and then it’s actually an EXPANSION.

So far Anet has added a few new skills and traits, and new zones, without raising the cap. More leveling itself would be meaningless with the tomes people have stockpiled. It’d just create new ascended/legendary grind to make new max level versions.

The fact that you have your head stuck in some line of thought that you have to raise the cap to expand the game is an extremely outdated concept.

No.

Why would we need a raise in the level cap in order to receive new content and new skills? How does it tie into level?

Also if you want more vertical gear grind – this is not the game you are looking for. We’re already going for gear of higher rarity and unique skins. Again – GW2 is based on horizontal progression and not vertical progression so the idea of adding it in the game is not and will never be well received.

KingMilitia.9508:

If your lvl 80 and Heart of Thorns comes out with new content, quests, dungeons,living story etc what would make you keep playing the new content?

…err, new content, quests, dungeons, living story etc, of course. The same as always. Certainly not level and gear grind – i hate those.

I would go like ‘Ok tnx bye bye, seya never again’ and never go back to MMO’s anymore becouse I am so darn tired of Geargrind and all the other regular MMO’s so I am about to puke on them. Enjoyment for me is not to level up to gain skills and equip new gear, Enjoyment for me is; story, new skills, New Traits, New classes, New Races, New zones, New mechanics, New dungeons, new stuff, new more or less everything. But you don’t have to level up and render my hard earned gear useless for all of my characters to create any of those stuff I just mentioned.

If some ppl need a raise in cap level to continue to play the game, then they should just stop playing it. Rising cap level give nothing, it just kitten things up. All the stuff that you cited don’t need a cap rise at all. It’s not needed to add skills, maps, new armor, new stuff, etc.

The only reason for raising the cap level is the same as adding new tier of gear. Gear treadmill and power creep, which is not the mentally of this game. Player of this game don’t want vertical progression.

In the end you can simulate what a new level cap brings by yourself :

-delete all your armor, weapons and trinkets .. and give all your gold to some friends.
-start over again regearing your character

NO!!!
Having to regrind the gear for ALL my alts would be an absolute nightmare..
Levels don’t mean a thing in this game anyway, why would you want more of them?

No rising levels, ty.

I support the idea of raising lvl cap. Would be nice to get more trait points. But I think the max gear should be kept the same and require lvl 80 to use.

xDudisx.5914:

I support the idea of raising lvl cap. Would be nice to get more trait points. But I think the max gear should be kept the same and require lvl 80 to use.

The number 14 is in no way connected to the number 80 afaik .. so its possible to
give us more traitpoints if max level is still 80 .. or even if they set the max level
down to 20.

don’t u dare raise the lvl cap … no more grind … no more gear treadmill
I still think ascend was a bad idea

how about just more traits and mechanics people can play with !

This would be a great idea if we could lose the part about raising the level cap.

Who wants levels going back to 20? ~a million hands raised~
Who wants level cap to be raised? ~people throw bricks~

They already made this game WAY more vertical than GW1, and I’ve always felt that was a mistake ..and that was before the sin that was Ascended gear. No, no ,no, no, ..and no more leveling. I’d be happy if they just got rid of levels all together.

Levels are not content, instead they hinder it. They add nothing good to a game (but numerous bad things). Going new places, doing new things, advancing new stories, accomplishing new challenges learning new skills, figuring things out, etc ..THAT is progress. You know what’s NOT “progress”? Arbitrary numbers going up for no reason so that everything else has to also go up to compensate.

A decade ago I fell in love with the GW franchise because it WASN’T “another one of those games like WoW”. Very low level and gear cap was really wonderful. GW2 has already gone backward on that philosophy way too much and I absolutely would not want to see it get even worse.

+1 .

xDudisx.5914:

I support the idea of raising lvl cap. Would be nice to get more trait points. But I think the max gear should be kept the same and require lvl 80 to use.

Except you don’t need to raise the level cap to give players access to additional trait points. GW1 had quests that increased the amount of skill points a player could gain after max level.

OP, you claim that players dislike the endgame in GW2. Why do you think that is? Certainly, there are a number of reasons, but one of them reasons I’d guess at is lack of character progression at level 80.

Instead of raising the level cap, why not simply add them elements of ‘character not being done’ – new skills, new traits etc – as progression systems at level 80?

brien

we’ve always expected that we will someday raise the level cap in GW2.

That’s the last official word we’ve had from ArenaNet on the subject, as far as I know. It was in an Reddit AMA in 2013, so take it for what you will.

Gibson.4036:

brien

we’ve always expected that we will someday raise the level cap in GW2.

That’s the last official word we’ve had from ArenaNet on the subject, as far as I know. It was in an Reddit AMA in 2013, so take it for what you will.

Anet claimed many things they would do at some point that never happened, so take that for what you will.

Sirendor.1394:

Who wants levels going back to 20? ~a million hands raised~
Who wants level cap to be raised? ~people throw bricks~

I doubt you have any data to prove that supposition.

xDudisx.5914:

Sirendor.1394:

Who wants levels going back to 20? ~a million hands raised~
Who wants level cap to be raised? ~people throw bricks~

I doubt you have any data to prove that supposition.

No data – but I would actually play this game more if they did that. As it is:

80 levels is already too much. It kills the soul, thinking about leveling alts.

I actually think I’ve played far less of GW2 for that very reason. Alts were easy and fun in Guild Wars, and I put thousands upon thousands of hours into playing them.

In GW2, if I get tired of playing, I consider making an alt, think about the 80 levels of dreariness that is the personal story and hearts, and log off to play something else.

I honestly wish they’d do some kind of stat squish and reduce the total number of levels. I’d play more.

Of all the development mistakes ArenaNet made with GW2, 80 levels at launch was the biggest one, in my opinion. Even bigger than the Ascended debacle.

Chuo.4238:

xDudisx.5914:

Sirendor.1394:

Who wants levels going back to 20? ~a million hands raised~
Who wants level cap to be raised? ~people throw bricks~

I doubt you have any data to prove that supposition.

No data – but I would actually play this game more if they did that. As it is:

80 levels is already too much. It kills the soul, thinking about leveling alts.

I actually think I’ve played far less of GW2 for that very reason. Alts were easy and fun in Guild Wars, and I put thousands upon thousands of hours into playing them.

In GW2, if I get tired of playing, I consider making an alt, think about the 80 levels of dreariness that is the personal story and hearts, and log off to play something else.

I honestly wish they’d do some kind of stat squish and reduce the total number of levels. I’d play more.

Of all the development mistakes ArenaNet made with GW2, 80 levels at launch was the biggest one, in my opinion. Even bigger than the Ascended debacle.

Well lots of players don’t think ascended was a mistake. I think ascended was one of the best things they have ever implemented in the game. Would love to see the lvl cap raised to 85/90/100…

i only have 1 max lvl and almost a second one after all this time, i would be really kittened if i have to grind even more lvls.
GW1 never had a lvl increase and it was never needed, i don’t see the need in GW2 ether.
if anything, i hope they lower the lvl cap or remove levels since with all the scaling levels are pretty much useless.

People talk like if it is hard to lvl up now lol. If you pvp you have stacks of tome of knowledge on your bank. If you run dungeons you can just swap character at the end. If you play wvw you can get lots of lvl in EoTM…

There are very few games where the game really does begin at the top level but I feel this one is. I don’t see a need for a level cap raise. Additional skills/gear/maps/modes/options /traits and so fourth can be added without a raise to the level cap. -100 from me for a level cap increase. Now on a safe side will go ahead and start amassing all the XP Writs they are giving us encase they do.

xDudisx.5914:

People talk like if it is hard to lvl up now lol. If you pvp you have stacks of tome of knowledge on your bank. If you run dungeons you can just swap character at the end. If you play wvw you can get lots of lvl in EoTM…

It’s not the levelling, it’s having to regrind all your gear. I have a lot of alts, having to regrind all my gear would be a nightmare. If I wanted geargrind I would be playing WoW.

I would be OK with a level cap increase as long as gear remains relevant, though in that case, there seems to be little point in doing it.

I don’t want a cap increase… I also don’t want a cap decrease…. Leave levels alone, but that isn’t the same as saying I don’t want more content.

I really hope they do not raise the level cap, but my reason has nothing to do with ascended or legendary lvl 80 gear.

Raising the level cap would trivialize zones like Silverwastes, Drytop, Cursed Shores and Southsun.

I like the idea of world growth basically equating to more max level zone to play in.

While it probably won’t happen, Anet has mentioned on multiple occasions that a level cap increase is very possible with future expansions.

xDudisx.5914:

People talk like if it is hard to lvl up now lol. If you pvp you have stacks of tome of knowledge on your bank. If you run dungeons you can just swap character at the end. If you play wvw you can get lots of lvl in EoTM…

It’s not about how ‘easy’ or ‘hard’ it is to level. It’s about how fun or tedious it is.

Do you think the sort of people who have dungeons on farm still find them enjoyable?

Do you think EotM is fun in more than short bursts of a couple of hours at a time?

As for SPvP, what about all the people who aren’t already semi-pro or pro PvPers, and who therefore don’t have stacks of tomes of knowledge in their banks?

That’s even putting aside the fact that it would completely defeat the point of a level cap increase if existing tomes of knowledge and writs of experience remained valid at level 80+.

nGumball.1283:

While it probably won’t happen, Anet has mentioned on multiple occasions that a level cap increase is very possible with future expansions.

IIRC they said it was not off the table, and something they would like to see sometime in the future. But they say that about everything.

However, concerning a level cap raise. There really is no point. Plus with a level cap increase, you would have to have a new tier of gear, which means more grinding and time spent, and no one seems to want that. It seems that those who are advocating a level cap raise are old time vets of other popular MMOs which do have a rising level cap, and a gear grind from the very start, and wish to see such things brought here because “it works in those games”. They can certainly provide a way for more trait points, or even a “heroic” or profession skill tree without increasing the levels and making our hard earned gear obsolete.

Gawd. My lazy kitten is still trying to get to 70 on 5 alts so I can continue my personal story and catch up to the next living story. I think I’d just stare and drool at the screen if I needed to reach level 90 or 100 to unlock new content.

Blaeys.3102:

I really hope they do not raise the level cap, but my reason has nothing to do with ascended or legendary lvl 80 gear.

Raising the level cap would trivialize zones like Silverwastes, Drytop, Cursed Shores and Southsun.

I like the idea of world growth basically equating to more max level zone to play in.

When you join a map you get scaled to its lvl. The same would happen with drytop/sw/cursed shore…

xDudisx.5914:

People talk like if it is hard to lvl up now lol. If you pvp you have stacks of tome of knowledge on your bank. If you run dungeons you can just swap character at the end. If you play wvw you can get lots of lvl in EoTM…

Experience scrolls, tomes etc are one of the reasons against a level cap increase. It will make the whole process pointless.

Would be the last thing id like to see . . .

xDudisx.5914:

I support the idea of raising lvl cap. Would be nice to get more trait points. But I think the max gear should be kept the same and require lvl 80 to use.

My question to you is : what would raising the cap would bring to the game?

Most of the stuff that ppl talked about in this tread were stuff not linked at all with a cap raise and more Trait pts could be done wihtout raising the cap either, they already changed twice the way pts were gain as we level up, they could change it again and give us more pts at level 80 (not that I think it would be a good idea, more choice of trait ya, but no need or more trait pts).

I just think that raising the cap don’t bring much at all, just add some weird stuff with the gear. Either we need to get all our gear again, they give us some special MF recipe to upgrade everything or we keep level 80 gear on all our level 90 toons.

xDudisx.5914:

Blaeys.3102:

I really hope they do not raise the level cap, but my reason has nothing to do with ascended or legendary lvl 80 gear.

Raising the level cap would trivialize zones like Silverwastes, Drytop, Cursed Shores and Southsun.

I like the idea of world growth basically equating to more max level zone to play in.

When you join a map you get scaled to its lvl. The same would happen with drytop/sw/cursed shore…

That’s why I said trivialize instead of invalidate or eliminate.

Scaling makes older zones easier to complete – I think that is even part of Anet’s goal with it. I dont want to see that happen with current max level zones – it would mark the beginning of a treadmill I don’t want to get on.