I have not played a thief to terribly much so i might be mistaken but what keeps a thief from keeping poison up on a guardian or warrior with passive health re-gen? According to GW2 wiki “Deals damage every second; heal potency decreased by 33%; stacks duration”.. That tells me I can eliminate 33% of someones ability to heal. I might be crazy but 33% is a lot specially with a bursty class like thief.
Answer to the title statement: No. Heals and regeneration being removed from the entire game just because you can’t beat people who focus on healing is an asinine and flat out selfish thing to suggest.
Says the biased warrior, who doens’t want to loose his duel/zerg/pvp advantage. Same goes for poster above me. Stop your bias.
Seriously, as a person with 300+ hours on all profession, and no bias to any of them i can state with 100% confidance healing signet of overpowered. You don’t have to take my word for it. That skill + player skills makes warrior immune to everything but a perfect build + executed burst (and that will rarely happen even one dodge or block will already make the burst fail, wich means: warrior wins (by not dying).
Legendary weapons can be hidden now!
No excuse anymore for not giving ‘hide mounts’-option
No thanks to unidentified weapons.
Can you please fix it for me so that my preferred build owns everyone else. i am fed up with people being so inconsiderate as to come up with a build I lack the skill and imagination to counter.
I personally don’t like healing and as my opinions are more important than anyone else’s, you should change the whole system to cater to my needs. God forbid you have a game that requires thought and teamwork.
Funny thing is that if you need so many heals to survive who’s the baddie? In wvw the crit dmg can be 100%+ which is great because you can stomp them baddies no matter what crap they use. But the dmg in pvp is capped and holding a point with a burst build nearly impossible.
Ummm….how does someone playing a bunker build correctly make them a “baddie”. If this isn’t the spam fueled, twitch fest, die in 10 second game that you want to play, please go find one that is. And you don’t see bunker builds complaining that they can’t cap a point from a zerker in 10 seconds, so why would you expect any different.
As for the aside conversation of the warrior healing sig. I’ve used the same build since launch (tank/condi with healing sig) and before it was sub-average (even when combined with adrenaline health). Now, I’m happy that a skill I use is more viable, but it isn’t some grand creation compared to the other healing skills.
healing sig only heals for 65 hp/sec more than healing surge (which restores full adrenaline)
healing sig only heals for 130 hp/sec more for than mending (which removes 3 conditions, and will ignore poison if it was one of the 3 removed)
Any passive hp build can be wrecked by poison because it effects our heals a lot more than burst healers (who can always cleanse before hand). The trade off is that those heals can be interrupted. That sounds like a decent balance to me.
OP, you do realize that there are other ways to play this game other than go zerk or go home right?
I put it in General forum because it affects wvw and PvP
WvW shares the same skills/balance changes as PvE, because it’s technically a part of PvE (stupid I know, but that’s how the devs made it). So are you telling you want this in pve as well?
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
Funny thing is that if you need so many heals to survive who’s the baddie? In wvw the crit dmg can be 100%+ which is great because you can stomp them baddies no matter what crap they use. But the dmg in pvp is capped and holding a point with a burst build nearly impossible.
So you are saying regen/bunker has all the buffs and stat caps they would have in wvw, but crit doesn’t? I don’t see this, since both suffer the unavailability of food buffs, etc. Correct me if I am reading your statements wrong.
I could make a similar post about removing burst dps from the game, as it takes no skill to unload all CDs in a few secs.
But I wont. As some people like that.
Your problem OP is that you dont like people countering you. You want to just play your own way and win, sorry, that does not work in pvp, you adapt or you die. And thats how it should be.
Most heals can be dealt with by using proper conditions, interrupts or boon stripping, and by timing your burst correctly. Just wading in an nuking wont and should not automatically win.
Try using control + T to target 1 player. Your team should focus down that 1 warrior. Then control + T the next one and focus him down. Keep doing this until they are all dead. Teamwork gets it done.
I could make a similar post about removing burst dps from the game, as it takes no skill to unload all CDs in a few secs.
But I wont. As some people like that.
Your problem OP is that you dont like people countering you. You want to just play your own way and win, sorry, that does not work in pvp, you adapt or you die. And thats how it should be.
Most heals can be dealt with by using proper conditions, interrupts or boon stripping, and by timing your burst correctly. Just wading in an nuking wont and should not automatically win.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
I do not play a burst build. I play a balanced build with 2700 armor. Never said berserker mode should win the fights but this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
I do not play a burst build. I play a balanced build with 2700 armor. Never said berserker mode should win the fights but this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
no it does not. Its doing what its supposed to do. Its a bunker build.
You yourself are a hybrid so you’ll struggle to solo burst it down, as you’d struggle to survive a burst from a specialised dps build.
You’ve chosen a flexible balanced build, but the compromise is you can do lots but don excel at anything. Otherwise you are advocating only one type of build should be allowed.
Thats why its not a game balanced around 1v1. its impossible to do so. You need to work as a team.
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I think the OP does not understand the point of this type of build is that its not supposed to be solo countered.
Its also not very effective at anything other than survival. Its a way of trying to make your opponents commit disproportionately large resources to a point, which frees up your own team to allocate resources elsewhere to gain superior concentration of force.
Success is not how many players you kill, its how much of the enemies forces you can tie up by using a minimum of your own. Its the difference between tactics and strategy. tactics will win a fight, strategy will win a war or in this case a match.
I for one, dont want to see pvp degenerate into a pure numbers game, who nukes hardest, who has more people. Bunker builds allow a smaller force to tie up a larger one, which allows other objectives to be pursued, but that only works if the enemy falls for it. I suspect the OP spends ages battling bunkers, which is exactly what they want! He’d do much better going else where and helping at other points, and so the bunker becomes ineffective and actually becomes a drain on the other teams resources unless they abandon the point they were defending, at which time you can try to take it……
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
And again, if you cap the point first in pvp, and a bunker tries to take it from you, will they? No, they won’t. If you are playing ~5vs5, bring someone else with you. If you have more than that it shouldn’t be a problem, if you have less, move to a different point.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun. As other people have hinted at above; running a dps build takes as much “skill” as a bunker build. Honestly, with what little knowledge I have (ie none) of LoL, that sounds like a game much more up your alley.
Hammers, axes, maces, swords, daggers, greatswords, longbows, rifles, pistols, staff, scepters, and shortbows should be removed from the game.
This game is suppose to be about the judicious use of skills, not swing around big weapons. Look at the manifesto video, Colin Johanson makes it clear that combat is inherently boring “I swung a sword, I swung a sword again”.
It’s only because ANet gave into the vocal minority that we have these “weapons” to begin with.
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Anything I post is just the opinion of a very vocal minority of 1.
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
Atse said 2 minutes is
unacceptable. His superior skill , should
allow him to kill in 5 secs.
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
Atse said 2 minutes is
unacceptable. His superior skill , should
allow him to kill in 5 secs.
Yes I just discussed that, why are you repeating something I just discussed?
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
Atse said 2 minutes is
unacceptable. His superior skill , should
allow him to kill in 5 secs.
Yes I just discussed that, why are you repeating something I just discussed?
Well, that was basically his whole basis for the change. He should be able to stomp other players in 5 secs, because he is that superior. I don’t think he had any other arguments beyond that.
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
Atse said 2 minutes is
unacceptable. His superior skill , should
allow him to kill in 5 secs.
Yes I just discussed that, why are you repeating something I just discussed?
I think ethics was just pointing out atse’s kittened posting format. What’s really funny is regens SUCK in 5 seconds and a burst heal would make them harder to kill in such short times since the cooldown on it wouldn’t matter.
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
Atse said 2 minutes is
unacceptable. His superior skill , should
allow him to kill in 5 secs.
Yes I just discussed that, why are you repeating something I just discussed?
I think ethics was just pointing out atse’s kittened posting format.
If that’s the case then you can disregard my comment Ethics
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
Says the biased warrior, who doens’t want to loose his duel/zerg/pvp advantage. Same goes for poster above me. Stop your bias.
Seriously, as a person with 300+ hours on all profession, and no bias to any of them i can state with 100% confidance healing signet of overpowered. You don’t have to take my word for it. That skill + player skills makes warrior immune to everything but a perfect build + executed burst (and that will rarely happen even one dodge or block will already make the burst fail, wich means: warrior wins (by not dying).
Oh my – 300 hours – so impressive.
And what makes you think I’m biased – you don’t even know what class/classes I play – but that you’re NOT biased.
You have no idea how warrior was in sPVP before signet was changed in order to give us much needed support. Warrior is the class that has the least " get out of jail free cards " in sPVP matches – in case you didn’t know.
Apart from GS being used to escape warrior has almost no chance if he engages at the wrong time/ in the wrong place – so it’s rather difficult to play. Other classes can just use other mechanics to escape.
If here they fall they shall live on when ever you cry “For Ascalon!”
Says the biased warrior, who doens’t want to loose his duel/zerg/pvp advantage. Same goes for poster above me. Stop your bias.
Seriously, as a person with 300+ hours on all profession, and no bias to any of them i can state with 100% confidance healing signet of overpowered. You don’t have to take my word for it. That skill + player skills makes warrior immune to everything but a perfect build + executed burst (and that will rarely happen even one dodge or block will already make the burst fail, wich means: warrior wins (by not dying).
Oh my – 300 hours – so impressive.
And what makes you think I’m biased – you don’t even know what class/classes I play – but that you’re NOT biased.
You have no idea how warrior was in sPVP before signet was changed in order to give us much needed support. Warrior is the class that has the least " get out of jail free cards " in sPVP matches – in case you didn’t know.
Apart from GS being used to escape warrior has almost no chance if he engages at the wrong time/ in the wrong place – so it’s rather difficult to play. Other classes can just use other mechanics to escape.
Says the biased warrior, who doens’t want to loose his duel/zerg/pvp advantage. Same goes for poster above me. Stop your bias.
Seriously, as a person with 300+ hours on all profession, and no bias to any of them i can state with 100% confidance healing signet of overpowered. You don’t have to take my word for it. That skill + player skills makes warrior immune to everything but a perfect build + executed burst (and that will rarely happen even one dodge or block will already make the burst fail, wich means: warrior wins (by not dying).
People like you like to say a lot of stuff but that doesn’t mean you really know what you are actually talking about. You are just boasting and blowing a lot of hot air and there is no way I’m going to take the word from some body posting on these forums. No way in hell am I going to believe anything you say unless you have proof but since yours is all opinion, yours doesn’t matter either.
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
this cleric troll build crap has to be nerfed somehow.
No it shouldn’t, this ‘troll crap’ is strategy. Just because it’s a strategy you can’t counter on your own doesn’t make it overpowered.
I don’t find a 10-20 sec skirmish that fun.
20 whole seconds people!!
Yeah, the OP admitted back on Page 1 that this thread was about being unable to kill a bunker in an amount of time (measured in single digit seconds) he thought was acceptable for a player of his skill.
The problem is not about killng people with crazy regen .
It’s about PvP being a borefest when you fight bunkers
Only . I don’t wanna waste 2 minutes on 1 person if i know
Im better than him and only his regen prevents me
To stomp him in 5 secs .
There is a big difference between 20 seconds and 2 minutes. Also he claims to know when he is better than other players and should be able to beat them in 5 seconds if they didn’t have regen, based on what exactly?
I discounted the 2 minutes thing as hyperbole. What got me is that he claims to be using a balanced build with 2700 armor, ergo, “I don’t want to use the counter to regen, but remove it.”
What a suggestion. How about removing all conditions all together while we are it because it encourages regen builts? or also removing DPS because, yes, you guessed it, it encourges bunker builds. How about removing stealth because I counldn’t remember the last time I caught a thief in 1vs1. I fought guardians with those kinda of build before. Sure it does take more time since the guy space out his heals and block pretty nicely, but the regen is the least of the problem. Not every build is cut to be the all-owning. Once in a while you run into someone that your current build doesnt do the job and that’s normal, so suck with it.
If ya no longer see me after this post,
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Know that it has been fun and I love ya all.
So, from what I read in the first post. You want to be able to hold a point when built for damage/squishyness/burst etc. like someone who builds for healing/damage reduction/has far less damage output. Makes sense
I wouldn’t use Healing signet on my warrior if the other classes didn’t have so much heals : Engi,ele,guard. And that’s why the zerg always wins also. 5 total nub warriors rank 1 with heal signet can take down 5 skilled r60+ players because all they useful utilities like blocks/evades will go on CD and the regen will outheal all the damage.
If there was no regen 3 skilled players could easely take 6 bad people down. They just evade the main burst, force the heal and burst the enemy down.
Are you making this up or is there an actual case behind this?
OP sounds as though he’s upset that the specific build he has that clearly he thinks is awesome has a hard counter to it. If you hate bunker builds so much, play a class and build that can counter it. With different armor types and class skills there’s always going to be a rock, paper, scissors system to some degree. It really sounds like you are scissors trying to fight rock and complaining about it not being fair.
Good condition necros will melt a bunker build warrior for example. Just waiting for the thread from warriors claiming that’s unfair. Unless it already exists, I haven’t checked.
sPvP isn’t simply a DPS check as much as people would have you believe.
Pfffft in WvW I roam in full zerk axe/shield rifle and beat the kitten out of Hammer warrior signet+adrenal heal. The one where it’s 50/50 it’s when they have zerk trinkets and cavalier/sentinelle mix armor, where if my F1 crit proc twice, they die, 1 time we usually get both downed playing the “when should I use revenge skill” game, 0 time I die. I have roughly 80% crit but with his weakness that makes roughly 55% crit and 25% “I’m tingling him”.
Hrm… Guardians are still better at this than warriors because their passive heal is a completely separate skill and they have access to several other sources of healing, the problem seems to be warriors larger damage output and health pool.
Wonder what would happen if he faced a Sword/Dagger Poison/Steal Thief ripping boons off and applying a poison to lower healing effectiveness? Probably wouldn’t be doing enough damage to take him out.
That’s why ele healing was nerf, because everyone could use poison it by weapon swapping sigil that no one would cure. You realize those professions have almost no other conditions so this poison will be cleansed relatively easy?
