Guild Wars 2

Egon Vidar.9125:

All people want is representation.

I just find it quite funny that people scream and shout about equality, to be treated just like everyone else, but want to flaunt representative barriers because they so badly desire to be different from everyone else.
True equality comes when everyone can be who we are, without flaunting who we are.

I’m not against this at all, but I’m more or less surprised people continue to push politics into a hobby.

Rainbow dyes for the hell of it, sounds like a better idea than just for a “subgroup” of people looking for ways to be known.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Egon Vidar.9125:

All people want is representation.

I just find it quite funny that people scream and shout about equality, to be treated just like everyone else, but want to flaunt representative barriers because they so badly desire to be different from everyone else.
True equality comes when everyone can be who we are, without flaunting who we are.

Odd that these comments usually come from people who can find themselves everywhere, and when someone who has yet to find themselves in a piece of popular culture wants to be in something, or gasp more than a single something, the “we are all equal it shouldn’t matter” card gets played.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Egon Vidar.9125:

All people want is representation. I’m not saying rainbow dye is the absolute best way to do it, though it doesn’t hurt. But when almost all you see in media is one specific type of person, when there’s so much incredible diversity in the world, it becomes, well. A bit of a downer to be in one of those marginalized groups. You know what marginalization means, yes?

Yes, as a Puerto Rican male that has been slammed against a car by 5 white cops for having the “audacity” to walk through Spanish Harlem on a Saturday morning, I know full well what it is to be marginalized, tyvm.

As someone who’s had a gay friend jumped and beaten simply because they were gay, i know what its like to see people hurt due to another ignorance.

As someone who is frankly terrified for his 2 young daughters and the world that still insists on dictating to them what their gander can and can’t do, i get it. Really I do.

Here’s what you seem to be missing from my statement above, and that is, I don’t mind it when it is meaningful or helps in some way with the plot, etc. I genuinely liked the Marjory/Kas thing, not only because they are a couple, but because they actually touched upon the fact that not everyone in this world of Tyria is necessarily OK with it. THAT is a good way to put a social message in the game without beating people over the head with it.

In Last of Us, the info gleaned about Bill and his partner was very well done and was full of feels, and they way it was all delivered in game was done in such as way as to make it both meaningful without being preachy.

Simply adding X group into a game or X message into the game because they have some some kitten in their lives, and then doing so as a dye in support of, or some other we put this here cuz reasons, frankly cheapens the message and the issues they actually deal with day in and day out. it trivializes the whole thing and makes Anet look more like they are saying “look at us! we’re inclusive!” So what?

maybe they need to put in a mini pet llama with a “Save Tibet” banner over its back. Oh wait, no, they can’t do that if they want to still sell the game in China.

Not to mention the act of doing so means nothing outside of the game and ultimately amounts to naval gazing.

Anet has already shown their support loud and clear for the LGBTQ community time and time again, and its great, but everyone and everything doesn’t need to have their own personal soap box in the game. This isn’t the capitol square of Madison, WI on a Saturday morning where every group, big and small, needs to come out with their banners. Save it for the real world.

Nailed it nicely, I think. It is fine to be inclusive, but you have to do it with meaning and not do it just because, otherwise it’s little more than lip service.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Maybe a piece of jewelry that has a mild rainbow effect would be prettier as well as avoiding dye problems.

What a great idea

Perhaps they could also do a deal on the Permanent Unicorn Finisher (as it is very rainbow-y)?

Also, we have rainbow cake already in game… perhaps they could do something with this? For instance, in LA they could add a merchant NPC with a quick dialogue before the merchant panel selling the rainbow cake.

“Did you hear the good news? Tyria is becoming a freer place for everybody!”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slice_of_Rainbow_Cake

Until rainbow dye is programmed, start messing around with different patterns on our armor pieces. Then we can run around LA and spread the love.

As George Takei put it…

There is a major difference between a Rainbow Dye and individual armor pieces being dyed different colors.

Red Queen.7915:

Odd that these comments usually come from people who can find themselves everywhere, and when someone who has yet to find themselves in a piece of popular culture wants to be in something, or gasp more than a single something, the “we are all equal it shouldn’t matter” card gets played.

Odd that someone defending the topic at hand is being the very judgmental person that causes most of the suffering endured by subgroups who have been oppressed because of laws or society mindset.

Contrary to popular believe, you don’t need to be poor, have the ethnic background, nor against society, to be oppressed for something or for that matter, to be suffering because of who you are, something you don’t seem to comprehend.

Dear Social Justice Warriors,

Please stop trying to turn this game into a big political message.

This game has enough problems without having to be further dragged down by political correctness.

Sincerely,
Everyone who just wants to play the game.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Red Queen.7915:

Odd that these comments usually come from people who can find themselves everywhere, and when someone who has yet to find themselves in a piece of popular culture wants to be in something, or gasp more than a single something, the “we are all equal it shouldn’t matter” card gets played.

Odd that someone defending the topic at hand is being the very judgmental person that causes most of the suffering endured by subgroups who have been oppressed because of laws or society mindset.

Contrary to popular believe, you don’t need to be poor, have the ethnic background, nor against society, to be oppressed for something or for that matter, to be suffering because of who you are, something you don’t seem to comprehend.

Oh, sorry, I missed your signature. Never mind.

You know how hard it would be to add a multi color dye, it would take a lot of extra coding to support more then a single color, and if there going to do all that extra work just for you then I want to see new dyes for myself too, like textured dyes or dyes with particle effects.

I’m all for equality but your asking for way more then what the rest of us get.

Red Queen.7915:

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Red Queen.7915:

Odd that these comments usually come from people who can find themselves everywhere, and when someone who has yet to find themselves in a piece of popular culture wants to be in something, or gasp more than a single something, the “we are all equal it shouldn’t matter” card gets played.

Odd that someone defending the topic at hand is being the very judgmental person that causes most of the suffering endured by subgroups who have been oppressed because of laws or society mindset.

Contrary to popular believe, you don’t need to be poor, have the ethnic background, nor against society, to be oppressed for something or for that matter, to be suffering because of who you are, something you don’t seem to comprehend.

Oh, sorry, I missed your signature. Never mind.

Yeah, people tell me that when they get in over their heads talking about things they really don’t understand.

how about if you don’t agree or don’t like it, then just DONT HIT “post reply”. Just move on to another topic. No reason to come in here and take a poop.

So much negativity, so much off topic…. Please be respectful. GW2 has the best and most supportive community of players – but only when they want to be.

Im a big supporter of Marriage Equality apart from the fact that it currently kittens on people who want to co habit only

- I am however sick and tired of entertainment like MMORPG’s being politicised by just HAVING to make a point about the current News or zeitgeist, and theres something relentlessly pushy and off putting about some armchair activists insistence that their particular area of interest is PAID ATTENTION TOO….

Egon Vidar.9125:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

“oh can you guys also add in an area where we can show our support for the banning of obtaining a slow loris as a pet?”

That is a bad analogy and not comparable to what LGBTQA people have had to deal with.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

I love that Anet is and has been as inclusive in their world’s lore for same sex couples, transgender, physically disabled, etc but seriously. Enough. They don’t have to add literally every marginalized group into their lore just because they exist in our world and are marginalized there.

You’re contradicting yourself, and also, is that a problem?

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Should they model and add in someone with Downs Syndrome? Perhaps someone struggling with Schizophrenia?.

…Again, is that a problem?

All people want is representation. I’m not saying rainbow dye is the absolute best way to do it, though it doesn’t hurt. But when almost all you see in media is one specific type of person, when there’s so much incredible diversity in the world, it becomes, well. A bit of a downer to be in one of those marginalized groups. You know what marginalization means, yes?

If all people want is representation then they already have that in game.

There are already same sex couples.

But that is not happening here. What is happening is people asking for special attention, not representation.

Can I just say…

I only want rainbow dye because I grew up in the 80’s and love rainbows?

I mean there are people who just like rainbows.

Recluce.3709:

how about if you don’t agree or don’t like it, then just DONT HIT “post reply”. Just move on to another topic. No reason to come in here and take a poop.

So much negativity, so much off topic…. Please be respectful. GW2 has the best and most supportive community of players – but only when they want to be.

How about no.

I’m free to post where ever I want no matter if I agree or disagree with the topic being discussed.

How about if you don’t like seeing people post in disagreement don’t click on the thread?

Recluce.3709:

how about if you don’t agree or don’t like it, then just DONT HIT “post reply”. Just move on to another topic. No reason to come in here and take a poop.

So much negativity, so much off topic…. Please be respectful. GW2 has the best and most supportive community of players – but only when they want to be.

It is not about agreeing or disagreeing; It is about asking to add certain things which relate to certain sensitive matters to the game. Most people play games to relax their minds, and not involve themselves in political/religious/sexual orientation/other sensitive subjects; In short they want to just have fun, and seeing this will create issues where there is and should be none.

Please don’t get me wrong. I am definitely a gay rights supporter, as I am a supporter of any minority rights. But it confuzzles the bejezzes out of me when people are saying “we need to fight in order to be considered and accepted like a normal person, like everybody else” and on the other hand they’re like “we need something that would show that we are different than everybody else”.

Anyandrell.6238:

Please don’t get me wrong. I am definitely a gay rights supporter, as I am a supporter of any minority rights. But it confuzzles the bejezzes out of me when people are saying “we need to fight in order to be considered and accepted like a normal person, like everybody else” and on the other hand they’re like “we need something that would show that we are different than everybody else”.

This is pretty much how I feel about it as well.

I think we should take a vote on it!

Anyandrell.6238:

But it confuzzles the bejezzes out of me when people are saying “we need to fight in order to be considered and accepted like a normal person, like everybody else” and on the other hand they’re like “we need something that would show that we are different than everybody else”.

Any sort of arbitrary groups of people will have the former and later examples of what you mentioned. Some people will act normal, while others (who simply share something in common) are attention seekers. It’s just unfortunate then the attention seekers keep trying to shine a spotlight on themselves and those that share something in common with them when those others just want to be left alone.

Basically, the attention seekers and the people just wanting to be normal are literally two different groups of people that just happen to be arbitrarily grouped together by whichever parameters happen to be used in this artificial grouping.

I want a rainbow dye because I like rainbows and dyes.

Aerlen.5326:

Can I just say…

I only want rainbow dye because I grew up in the 80’s and love rainbows?

I mean there are people who just like rainbows.

They could call the colour ‘Tie’.

The Marriage Equality thing is almost a self derail.

I mean, that might be your reason for wanting it, but as a general request it might be an interesting dye.

Why stop at rainbows? Multicolor, gradated, color-changing, iridescent, and patterned dyes might be really cool.

Take the idea of enameled dyes a bit further.

Odyssey.2613:

Dear Social Justice Warriors,

Please stop trying to turn this game into a big political message.

This game has enough problems without having to be further dragged down by political correctness.

Sincerely,
Everyone who just wants to play the game.

Quoted for truth.

Recluce.3709:

how about if you don’t agree or don’t like it, then just DONT HIT “post reply”.

Half the reason to show up onto the forums is to discuss something that we don’t agree with. But respect is definitely in order.

That said, I am seriously 100% not joking about:

Nilix.2170:

Recluce.3709:

The hardest JP chest you can only get to after battling Jormag and the Shatterers illegitimate twin dragon babies that spawns only on odd days of the week when the moon is waning.

I would like to request that this become a dynamic event.

I mean, kitten . Imagine something like that just happening in a zone and ArenaNet doesn’t even mention it beforehand.

I’m not against a rainbow dye. I’m against people throwing out the discrimination card or the equality card to get something they want. It’s just in bad taste. In my opinion (which is worth what you paid for it), this request is a kitten move.

How about simply requesting a rainbow dye?

The game engine only supports up to 3 colors per dye. Some armor has gradient blends of them, thus making them appear to have more colors. The devs might be able to make a dye with red, yellow, and blue but it would not appear rainbow-like on most gear. Also, different gear uses the colors differently; some use the secondary colors for undertones while others use gradient blends, and I’m pretty sure some gear doesn’t even use all 3 colors.

It would be much easier for ANet to add a gem store back piece or something like that. Maybe reskin the guild flag back or, as someone else suggested, rainbow wings.

Recluce.3709:

how about if you don’t agree or don’t like it, then just DONT HIT “post reply”. Just move on to another topic. No reason to come in here and take a poop.

So much negativity, so much off topic…. Please be respectful. GW2 has the best and most supportive community of players – but only when they want to be.

But if no one presents any dissenting opinions, no actual discussion happens. It’d be like the necro forums where people make posts saying “please buff necro” and you get six pages of people just posting “I agree”. That’s not a conversation.

If you’re not willing to have your beliefs challenged, you’re on the wrong internet.

Honestly, I’ll take rainbow anything because I love rainbow colors. Not political anything attached :p

It would be an ugly dye, regardless of the reason it’s added. Plus it’s not a single color, so it’s probably impossible to work it in as such.

Rainbow Kite would be so much better than a dye!

Aren’t we all equal in this game?

Aenesthesia.1697:

If you get a special gay friendly colour, i want a special hetero colour, just for the sake of equality.

I mean, it’s pretty absurd to say “we are all equal” when dressing purposedly different.

It’s Already In Game

This game doesn’t need to reflect things happening in real life constantly, especially when it only affects ~10% of the population of one country in the world.

Please, leave politics out of this game, for obvious reasons. Thanks!

Odyssey.2613:

Dear Social Justice Warriors,

Please stop trying to turn this game into a big political message.

This game has enough problems without having to be further dragged down by political correctness.

Sincerely,
Everyone who just wants to play the game.

Dear “everyone”, I’d buy a rainbow dye and wear it though I’m not gay and prefer black dyes. That’s a sale for Anet and cash is king. Today is an important day in history and I’ll support it.

Rainbows are cool

Purple Miku.7032:

This game doesn’t need to reflect things happening in real life constantly, especially when it only affects ~10% of the population of one country in the world.

Well…. You could also say up to 10% of the world’s population or roughly twice the total population of the United States 700 million people. Ya, not big enough.

“You want to weigh in on this one Oberon?”

“Nope.”

“…You sure? I’ve got this 10ft pole!”

“Nah, I’m good.”

Oxidia.8103:

How about people stop being special snowflakes and stop pushing their religion/sexual orientation/something else onto other people ingame? If you are gay/lesbian/transgender/atheist/christian/boy/girl what does it matter? Why is it so important to let everyone ingame to know that? Does that improve your gameplay? Or anything ingame related? Isn’t that true purpose of these people shouting it’s their right to be treated equal? So ironic.

You can allways shout your preferences in map chat if you so desperatly want to be different and equal and let everybody know that. See how that goes.

Or how about straight people just wanting to show their support? Ever thought about that?

I’m hetersoxual and I have NO problems with this.