Guild Wars 2

Leo G.4501:

I don’t think /rp is a good idea on the grounds that it’d need to be enforced and that’s just more unnecessary traffic for GMs and unnecessary grief targeted at players partaking in activities are are completely within the rules of the game.

So what about just splitting /me from normal visual emotes?

@Miku it’s not possible, However it is possible to have a chat tab for map chat, tab for say/emote and so on.

How logical is it for Anet to make a channel that functions the exact same way as one that’s already in the game just to appease people semi afk in DR? How would you expect the rp community to react to being told they have to use this other channel, especially when this thread is linked as the reason? How would you get rpers to actually use it without enforcement from Anet themselves?

Again, why the channel? What does that do to stop abuse of the emote system? This is the equivalent of sweeping things under the rug. You haven’t solved anything beyond making yourself feel better. (Also, the idea that trolls will play by your rules….)

Why not just allow blocking and reporting of emotes by attaching a username to it or making the username clickable? The later would actually curb abuse of the emote system and not just be specific to roleplaying? Likewise, it’d be a general QoL issue if you want to add friends.

Or maybe an option to restrict all communiction including emotes to friends and/or guildies only, if you are really thinking everyone’s preemptively out to hurt you.

An enhanced /dnd mode where non-friend/guildie communication is heavily restricted?

If you want to clean out the trash, then clean it out.

Miku.6297:

Leo G.4501:

So who is really changing their gaming experience for whom here?

Well if emotes and /me emotes could be separated those that wanted to opt-out and still see normal emotes would need to make one change. That is all.

I know you’ve read my previous posts and personally have no issue with this change (along with a smaller emote range). But my analogy still stands. RPers already do things to accommodate the majority around them. But apparently, in today’s game, it is asking too much to avoid RP heavy areas/servers or simply putting /emote in another tab?

Like I said, God helps those who help themselves; I bet the devs would more likely aid players that exhausted all measures to curb a situation. You have to also look at it from a perspective of if certain changes won’t happen. What other changes could aid the situation or curb other secondary problems? You never know, some changes could have unintended consequences.

Miku.6297:

Tekey.7946:

How do we know that people complaining about RP are the majority?
The amount of people complaining about RP could be less than actual roleplayers.
And if 99% of the normal playerbase don’t care about reading RP in their chats, why should they change the game (for 1%)?

We don’t know, but we do know that the majority of players do not RP, the minority of players does RP. My question was more general, the person I quoted stated they disliked the idea because the majority of player base was forcing the minority to change. You took what I said out of context to the discussion that was being had ^^;

Yeah sorry, it helped to explain my post (just to get the opposed statement).

However, as long as we don’t know that the majority of players feels disturbed by roleplayers, logically they shouldn’t change anything. That’s how it’s been with the last dozens of requests and that’s how it will be in the future.

Donari.5237:

I’m an RPer who likes seeing the stories others are telling and I don’t feel corner-shoved by this. I really like it, so long as there are still custom emotes as they exist today. Then I can still see all the silly and fun stuff people do with custom emotes that aren’t part of RP scenes, but partition those from the narrative tales by customizing my tabs.

I fully empathize with those who don’t want to see the long blocks of text scrolling away the channel information that they do want but still want to see the occasional silly stuff. An additional channel designed to hold those blocks of text adds a good deal more flexibility to the chat system. If it starts out toggled on by default, then new players can spot the RP without having to be told where to look, and it’s a couple of quick clicks to remove it from view for those who find it irrelevant to their interests.

/repeats her call for a shorter range and brighter color because, gosh darn it, ANet needs those two things hammered home.

/RP Claps at Donari
Thank you, kind sir/madame/other!

Miku.6297:

Leo G.4501:

I don’t think /rp is a good idea on the grounds that it’d need to be enforced and that’s just more unnecessary traffic for GMs and unnecessary grief targeted at players partaking in activities are are completely within the rules of the game.

So what about just splitting /me from normal visual emotes?

Yeah shorter range on all emotes and filtering “/me” from “/dance /wave /sit etc” would work I reckon.

jheryn.8390:

RPers don’t bother me, but as someone else mentioned, wouldn’t an RP exclusive channel be a good thing for everyone?

Non-RP people could filter RP out and RP people could have their own channel to talk and not be bothered by all the non-RP chat.

Win-win IMO.

Yes and No. Yes because RPer’s could hook-up and organize better without emoting others to death. No because Rpers have always been a “targeted group” to be grieved by those that think wrecking other peoples game play gives them first seat on the short bus…

Such a channel would have to have moderators, which I’m all for.

Leo G.4501:

And if that person decides not to rp in /rp? Do you expect it to be enforced? And those people will get banned for it?

Then they don’t RP in /rp. No big deal, but they can expect their special snowflake noncomformity to draw unwanted attention.
I’d expect ANet to present the option and considerate roleplayers to flock to it. Enforced? Nah. Bans? Nah.

I don’t hear anyone working to ban people making stupid jokes in /map or having dumb debates in /map, a chat channel I think should be used for map related activities.

I mean, I would, but no one would take me seriously. So I keep /map in a separate chat tab in case I need it for coordinated content like Octovine. I can also block people from /map. I can’t do that from emotes.

One thing that I think would really be a great start is to remove physical character actions from chat. The point of typing “/sit” or “/dance” is to make your character perform that action, not to inform everyone in chat that your character is doing that action. When you go to a club and dance, you don’t simultaneously announce to everyone around you that you’re dancing. They can see that.

Removing these actions from appearing in the chat record, or at least having a toggle to remove them, would allow me to avoid my chat filling up with

[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.

etc. Which is unnecessary since I can SEE that the character is dancing…

This would be a start to cleaning up chat.

Kamara.4187:

Such a channel would have to have moderators, which I’m all for.

Egad! Don’t make it seem like too much work for them, we need low-hanging-fruit mentality

It would need no more moderation than the custom emotes do now (to be fair, it would be nice to be able to click the name in emotes just as in say, either to block or to whisper compliments, send grateful mail, etc). If someone’s a jerk in /rp we deal with it the same way as we do in /em.

(Side note: I’ve never quite gotten why people prefer /me over /em for syntax … to me it’s like going “Me tarzan, me swing,” instead of shorthand for “emote.” Must be from an older game I never played that used /me exclusively. Happily typing /em in chat accomplishes the same thing or I’d go nuts, I tell you, nuts!).

Kamara.4187:

Such a channel would have to have moderators, which I’m all for.

No more or less then other channels should/would be moderated.

Haha Yes I agree Donari /me Tarzan is actually what I think of too! I actually prefer /em as well. The best part about having both though… I can type it to my hearts content and it still works xD

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

And if that person decides not to rp in /rp? Do you expect it to be enforced? And those people will get banned for it?

Then they don’t RP in /rp. No big deal, but they can expect their special snowflake noncomformity to draw unwanted attention.
I’d expect ANet to present the option and considerate roleplayers to flock to it. Enforced? Nah. Bans? Nah.

So then it’s a useless addition. Thank you for wasting our time, playerbase.

Rauderi.8706:

I mean, I would, but no one would take me seriously. So I keep /map in a separate chat tab in case I need it for coordinated content like Octovine. I can also block people from /map. I can’t do that from emotes.

I think you’re getting it. I’m not taking you seriously, or most of the people whom argue “but I won’t be able to see the rare instance my friend adds some useless flavor text that I hardly pay attention to because I’ve read it 500 times before so already know what it says and ignore if I actually see his character’s animation” and I don’t think many of the devs do either.

Or maybe you’re using emotes to coordinate Octovine or some such zone boss and it’s really really necessary to keep emotes available…

Djinn.9245:

One thing that I think would really be a great start is to remove physical character actions from chat. The point of typing “/sit” or “/dance” is to make your character perform that action, not to inform everyone in chat that your character is doing that action. When you go to a club and dance, you don’t simultaneously announce to everyone around you that you’re dancing. They can see that.

Removing these actions from appearing in the chat record, or at least having a toggle to remove them, would allow me to avoid my chat filling up with

[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.

etc. Which is unnecessary since I can SEE that the character is dancing…

This would be a start to cleaning up chat.

I think you and me are on the same page, Djinn (and Miku, thanks for the shout out). I’m actually looking for improvements to chat too, things that can make it easier to type and perhaps less cluttered. I posted a rough suggestion in this thread, here’s my post though:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Something-MUST-be-done-about-the-RP-in-DR/page/4#post6357416

Would definitely like to see a kind of “chat message processor” but also changes (such as separating /emotes and /me to better customize what you see in your chat, the ability to do /dancemotion or /danceM so that you only do emote animations without the text (I would have sworn we had this in GW2 but I’m probably mixing up my MMOs), the ability to click names on emote lines) that may help RPers and non-RPers alike. But not getting many opinions on these suggestions…

Leo G.4501:

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

And if that person decides not to rp in /rp? Do you expect it to be enforced? And those people will get banned for it?

Then they don’t RP in /rp. No big deal, but they can expect their special snowflake noncomformity to draw unwanted attention.
I’d expect ANet to present the option and considerate roleplayers to flock to it. Enforced? Nah. Bans? Nah.

So then it’s a useless addition. Thank you for wasting our time, playerbase.

So it has to have dedicated staff to be considered “useful” to you. Good to know. Maybe I can transition from my current job to Roleplaying Chat Moderator.

I think you’re getting it. I’m not taking you seriously, or most of the people whom argue “but I won’t be able to see the rare instance my friend adds some useless flavor text that I hardly pay attention to because I’ve read it 500 times before so already know what it says and ignore if I actually see his character’s animation” and I don’t think many of the devs do either.

Or maybe you’re using emotes to coordinate Octovine or some such zone boss and it’s really really necessary to keep emotes available…

Personally, I’m in the camp of “Y’all ain’t as interesting as you think you are” and “No one actually wants to see your latest episode of Angry Flirting in Rata Sum” but some people seem to think that they need to be seen doing something highly personal. That’s pretty inconsiderate, and the outcry against a reasonable remedy borders on histrionic.

Leo G.4501:

Ashen.2907:

Seera.5916:

Balthazzarr.1349:

Seera.5916:

Miku.6297:

Leo G.4501:

I would still appreciate a response to my question: why is it so offensive that other people are using /say and /me (programmed to be local means of communication) to communicate with players locally in-character?

I never said it was offensive, it’s not. However some RP sessions are very chat space intensive, and as you said only aimed at the players involved. Yet everyone in the area sees the entire thing. People requesting a way to remove /me without removing emotes simply want the ability to filter out chat that is not aimed at them, and not offensive that does not include turning off (or moving chat tabs) for emotes, or blocking the other players.

That question I believe was to Balthazarr who apparently wants all RP’ers to go to a single specific zone to RP or not RP at all.

@Balthazarr: I see you’ve forgotten that GW2 is an MMO RP G. As in Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

If ANet did not want players RP’ing in the game, they would have already put in place rules to stop it. They have not. So you have two choices: accept that and continue playing without trying to push the RP’ers out of the game or not accept it but realize that nothing will change due to that lack of acceptance.

If this was really supposed to accommodate this kind of rp then anet should have made a special instance just for that and advertised it.

Either way I’m out of DR. You guys can have your fun and no worries about trolling from me at least.

The kind mentioned in the OP is technically not allowed by the game’s TOS no matter where it happens. Those that do wish to engage in such RP and are true RP’ers would be doing it in whisper or in party or in guild where all members who saw the post would be fine with it and not report it.

Those that do it in the open are either:

1. Trolls looking to paint RP’ers with a bad brush

or

2. An RP’er who accidentally got onto the wrong channel (not likely if you see a conversation going on between 2 or more RP’ers).

Given the description that the OP gave, it was likely group #1. Trolls. No amount of new channels or what not would keep those guys from trolling.

or…

3. An RP’er who is unaware of the TOS restriction on the mentioned form of RP.

4. An RP’er who doesn’t care about the TOS restriction on the mentioned form of RP.

3 would be warned and perhaps temp-banned if not informed by his friends. 4 would just get banned. Nobody cares about 4 or 1.

Change, “would,” to, “might,” and I’d agree.

The reality is that there are rule breakers and trolls in every sub group of online gamers, and they do not all get caught or punished.

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

And if that person decides not to rp in /rp? Do you expect it to be enforced? And those people will get banned for it?

Then they don’t RP in /rp. No big deal, but they can expect their special snowflake noncomformity to draw unwanted attention.
I’d expect ANet to present the option and considerate roleplayers to flock to it. Enforced? Nah. Bans? Nah.

So then it’s a useless addition. Thank you for wasting our time, playerbase.

So it has to have dedicated staff to be considered “useful” to you. Good to know. Maybe I can transition from my current job to Roleplaying Chat Moderator.

I think you’re getting it. I’m not taking you seriously, or most of the people whom argue “but I won’t be able to see the rare instance my friend adds some useless flavor text that I hardly pay attention to because I’ve read it 500 times before so already know what it says and ignore if I actually see his character’s animation” and I don’t think many of the devs do either.

Or maybe you’re using emotes to coordinate Octovine or some such zone boss and it’s really really necessary to keep emotes available…

Personally, I’m in the camp of “Y’all ain’t as interesting as you think you are” and “No one actually wants to see your latest episode of Angry Flirting in Rata Sum” but some people seem to think that they need to be seen doing something highly personal. That’s pretty inconsiderate, and the outcry against a reasonable remedy borders on histrionic.

The main problem with most RP is that if it is more than a passing greeting – if it is a conversation or meeting of more people, it would occur in a more private setting. People don’t generally air their private conversations in the middle of the bank, or work, or factory (crafting), etc. The most public would be at a bar or restaurant and it would be in a low voice so people would not overhear them.

So having RP in a public channel where everyone around knows exactly what they are saying / doing makes little sense for the RPer and even less sense for the non-RPer. Logically these exchanges should be done in Whisper or Party chat. The only reason I can think that people would prefer to do it in Say or Map is because they are “showing off”. RP does not = performing.

Djinn.9245:

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

And if that person decides not to rp in /rp? Do you expect it to be enforced? And those people will get banned for it?

Then they don’t RP in /rp. No big deal, but they can expect their special snowflake noncomformity to draw unwanted attention.
I’d expect ANet to present the option and considerate roleplayers to flock to it. Enforced? Nah. Bans? Nah.

So then it’s a useless addition. Thank you for wasting our time, playerbase.

So it has to have dedicated staff to be considered “useful” to you. Good to know. Maybe I can transition from my current job to Roleplaying Chat Moderator.

I think you’re getting it. I’m not taking you seriously, or most of the people whom argue “but I won’t be able to see the rare instance my friend adds some useless flavor text that I hardly pay attention to because I’ve read it 500 times before so already know what it says and ignore if I actually see his character’s animation” and I don’t think many of the devs do either.

Or maybe you’re using emotes to coordinate Octovine or some such zone boss and it’s really really necessary to keep emotes available…

Personally, I’m in the camp of “Y’all ain’t as interesting as you think you are” and “No one actually wants to see your latest episode of Angry Flirting in Rata Sum” but some people seem to think that they need to be seen doing something highly personal. That’s pretty inconsiderate, and the outcry against a reasonable remedy borders on histrionic.

The main problem with most RP is that if it is more than a passing greeting – if it is a conversation or meeting of more people, it would occur in a more private setting. People don’t generally air their private conversations in the middle of the bank, or work, or factory (crafting), etc. The most public would be at a bar or restaurant and it would be in a low voice so people would not overhear them.

So having RP in a public channel where everyone around knows exactly what they are saying / doing makes little sense for the RPer and even less sense for the non-RPer. Logically these exchanges should be done in Whisper or Party chat. The only reason I can think that people would prefer to do it in Say or Map is because they are “showing off”. RP does not = performing.

If there are more than 5 people, I could see RP’ers not knowing about the squad feature using say/emote chat. Or in the rare instances where there are more than 10 people RP’ing the same thing.

Rauderi.8706:

So it has to have dedicated staff to be considered “useful” to you. Good to know. Maybe I can transition from my current job to Roleplaying Chat Moderator.

I think the important root word of “useful” here is “use”. If it’s not used, what’s the point?

Rauderi.8706:

Personally, I’m in the camp of “Y’all ain’t as interesting as you think you are” and “No one actually wants to see your latest episode of Angry Flirting in Rata Sum” but some people seem to think that they need to be seen doing something highly personal. That’s pretty inconsiderate, and the outcry against a reasonable remedy borders on histrionic.

I won’t discount that perspective, not at all. I personally dislike people who crave attention, making a spectacle of themselves and making sure as many people notice them as possible. It’s one reason I just do not resonate with today’s social media as that is at least 75% (if not more) of what occupies it.

Although it’s not always possible to avoid those things in real life, it is certainly possible to avoid stuff like that on social media and the like. And this game really isn’t that different. If you really dislike that type of thing, it’s avoidable and ignoreable.

Seera.5916:

Djinn.9245:

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

Rauderi.8706:

Leo G.4501:

And if that person decides not to rp in /rp? Do you expect it to be enforced? And those people will get banned for it?

Then they don’t RP in /rp. No big deal, but they can expect their special snowflake noncomformity to draw unwanted attention.
I’d expect ANet to present the option and considerate roleplayers to flock to it. Enforced? Nah. Bans? Nah.

So then it’s a useless addition. Thank you for wasting our time, playerbase.

So it has to have dedicated staff to be considered “useful” to you. Good to know. Maybe I can transition from my current job to Roleplaying Chat Moderator.

I think you’re getting it. I’m not taking you seriously, or most of the people whom argue “but I won’t be able to see the rare instance my friend adds some useless flavor text that I hardly pay attention to because I’ve read it 500 times before so already know what it says and ignore if I actually see his character’s animation” and I don’t think many of the devs do either.

Or maybe you’re using emotes to coordinate Octovine or some such zone boss and it’s really really necessary to keep emotes available…

Personally, I’m in the camp of “Y’all ain’t as interesting as you think you are” and “No one actually wants to see your latest episode of Angry Flirting in Rata Sum” but some people seem to think that they need to be seen doing something highly personal. That’s pretty inconsiderate, and the outcry against a reasonable remedy borders on histrionic.

The main problem with most RP is that if it is more than a passing greeting – if it is a conversation or meeting of more people, it would occur in a more private setting. People don’t generally air their private conversations in the middle of the bank, or work, or factory (crafting), etc. The most public would be at a bar or restaurant and it would be in a low voice so people would not overhear them.

So having RP in a public channel where everyone around knows exactly what they are saying / doing makes little sense for the RPer and even less sense for the non-RPer. Logically these exchanges should be done in Whisper or Party chat. The only reason I can think that people would prefer to do it in Say or Map is because they are “showing off”. RP does not = performing.

If there are more than 5 people, I could see RP’ers not knowing about the squad feature using say/emote chat. Or in the rare instances where there are more than 10 people RP’ing the same thing.

There are exceptions to every rule. But I doubt people are concerned with remote exceptions. I imagine any group of serious RPers could soon find out about the Squad features.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

ERP can be reported. If it’s especially… graphic, then create a support ticket and include screenshots of the dialogue.

Yes, this is true. If you find the content offensive, not because you don’t like any roleplaying, but because a certain segment of roleplaying is crossing the line into sexually-related content, abusive chat, truly “offensive” content in the standard definition of the word, then use the in-game report system, please, and the team will review.

Not sure if someone has said this in the huge list of posts, but reporting someone who is just emoting their actions is not that easy. You can’t click on a person’s name when they emote and get anything back. You only get that it they post in /say or /map chat.

What you’re left with then is adding the person as a friend, then possibly reporting them that way..

Djinn.9245:

So having RP in a public channel where everyone around knows exactly what they are saying / doing makes little sense for the RPer and even less sense for the non-RPer. Logically these exchanges should be done in Whisper or Party chat. The only reason I can think that people would prefer to do it in Say or Map is because they are “showing off”. RP does not = performing.

I don’t quite agree here. I’m not an in-game RPer but I do enjoy witnessing RPers interact. To me, it is a performance in that they are participating in a story and I’m attempting to infer what that story is…kind of like coming into a movie half-way. Kind okittenward but sometimes that’s the only way to find out if you want to watch the rest of it.

I might try to find a secluded spot nearby and just pretend I’m taking a nap or something and occasionally /whisper a question if things catch my interest. However, most of the time, I just continue on my merry non-afk way and do stuff or if I have business in that spot and don’t want to see the chatter scrolling my chat, I’ll swap to another tab just like if I’m tried of hearing BS or guild ads in /map.

Perhaps I’m being selfish in hoping some of the appropriate RP continues to occur in local avenues? But so long as the parties involved don’t mind, how much harm is it actually doing? I’d extend the same point to a newb getting help in /say or /map, is it something I need to listen to? No. Is it harming me? Not really. Can I avoid or ignore it? Most definitely. And I’d wager the devs tend to share the same perspective on that matter.

Kinda why people are suggesting a /rp chat option, though. This way if you like to look into it, you can enable it, and if you don’t, you can disable it.

And then excessive use of /me and RP-related content in non-rp chat can be seen as spamming, and constant use of unrelated talk in the middle of someone’s rp monologue while in /rp can be seen as interfering/spamming as well.

So if it’s enabled by default, nothing changes in respects to getting new people into /rp, and quite honestly, the only people upset by the options are just people who want to be the center of attention of people who honestly currently do not give a kitten .

Djinn.9245

So having RP in a public channel where everyone around knows exactly what they are saying / doing makes little sense for the RPer and even less sense for the non-RPer. Logically these exchanges should be done in Whisper or Party chat. The only reason I can think that people would prefer to do it in Say or Map is because they are “showing off”. RP does not = performing.

I think I need to re-clarify what the intent of suggestion /rp is for, just in case. It isn’t intended as a /map alternate, but a /emote alternate. That way, if someone wants to see RP messages in chat, they keep that channel open in a tab, just like someone who wants to keep /map or combat text in place.
So it would still be range-limited, and honestly, if /emote were reined in, it might not even be necessary. Consensus keeps coming back to that.

Seera.5916

If there are more than 5 people, I could see RP’ers not knowing about the squad feature using say/emote chat. Or in the rare instances where there are more than 10 people RP’ing the same thing.

Since I don’t own a dorito, I’m not even sure if regular players can form a squad outside of raid LFG. I certainly wouldn’t ask someone to shuck 300g for the privilege.
It’s out of simple courtesy that I always try to use party chat. The only time I’ve done otherwise was for larger guild events, and we didn’t use main cities for that.

DeceiverX.8361:

Kinda why people are suggesting a /rp chat option, though. This way if you like to look into it, you can enable it, and if you don’t, you can disable it.

You can already do this.

DeceiverX.8361:

And then excessive use of /me and RP-related content in non-rp chat can be seen as spamming, and constant use of unrelated talk in the middle of someone’s rp monologue while in /rp can be seen as interfering/spamming as well.

So basically, you want to be given the moral highground to rule over /me and /say? Because RPers would and should still utilize it if they deem it relevant.

DeceiverX.8361:

So if it’s enabled by default, nothing changes in respects to getting new people into /rp, and quite honestly, the only people upset by the options are just people who want to be the center of attention of people who honestly currently do not give a kitten .

I’d assume some RPers would be upset because they’d request more tools to aid in RP like emotes, filters and chat organization tool, not a channel they’ll get reported for not using 100% of the time.

I’d personally prefer the devs keep the status quo instead of /rp if only because if they’re going to use resources to help RP, do it right or just don’t bother at all. Apparently, RPers are happy enough without added reasons to alienate, report and shun them further.

I support people just making special tabs for things. And anet fixing the distance on emotes. If I have to make a tab to filter out everyone spamming their guilds in map chat, you can do the same.

The only real problem is ERP. Ya wouldn’t do it on the bus, don’t do it in public in-game either.

(Or maybe you would do it on the bus, but that’s a bit weird.)

Leo G.4501:

Djinn.9245:

So having RP in a public channel where everyone around knows exactly what they are saying / doing makes little sense for the RPer and even less sense for the non-RPer. Logically these exchanges should be done in Whisper or Party chat. The only reason I can think that people would prefer to do it in Say or Map is because they are “showing off”. RP does not = performing.

I don’t quite agree here. I’m not an in-game RPer but I do enjoy witnessing RPers interact. To me, it is a performance in that they are participating in a story and I’m attempting to infer what that story is…kind of like coming into a movie half-way. Kind okittenward but sometimes that’s the only way to find out if you want to watch the rest of it.

I might try to find a secluded spot nearby and just pretend I’m taking a nap or something and occasionally /whisper a question if things catch my interest. However, most of the time, I just continue on my merry non-afk way and do stuff or if I have business in that spot and don’t want to see the chatter scrolling my chat, I’ll swap to another tab just like if I’m tried of hearing BS or guild ads in /map.

Perhaps I’m being selfish in hoping some of the appropriate RP continues to occur in local avenues? But so long as the parties involved don’t mind, how much harm is it actually doing? I’d extend the same point to a newb getting help in /say or /map, is it something I need to listen to? No. Is it harming me? Not really. Can I avoid or ignore it? Most definitely. And I’d wager the devs tend to share the same perspective on that matter.

I’m just speaking of common sense. If the /say range was only as far as you could hear what I’m actually saying (not just hear that I’m making a noise) in normal conversation (8 ft?), then perhaps people wouldn’t be complaining about them taking over the channel. I’m not sure what the actual answer is, but I agree with those that say there is an issue.

Leo G.4501:

DeceiverX.8361:

Kinda why people are suggesting a /rp chat option, though. This way if you like to look into it, you can enable it, and if you don’t, you can disable it.

You can already do this.

DeceiverX.8361:

And then excessive use of /me and RP-related content in non-rp chat can be seen as spamming, and constant use of unrelated talk in the middle of someone’s rp monologue while in /rp can be seen as interfering/spamming as well.

So basically, you want to be given the moral highground to rule over /me and /say? Because RPers would and should still utilize it if they deem it relevant.

DeceiverX.8361:

So if it’s enabled by default, nothing changes in respects to getting new people into /rp, and quite honestly, the only people upset by the options are just people who want to be the center of attention of people who honestly currently do not give a kitten .

I’d assume some RPers would be upset because they’d request more tools to aid in RP like emotes, filters and chat organization tool, not a channel they’ll get reported for not using 100% of the time.

I’d personally prefer the devs keep the status quo instead of /rp if only because if they’re going to use resources to help RP, do it right or just don’t bother at all. Apparently, RPers are happy enough without added reasons to alienate, report and shun them further.

To clarify what appears to be misunderstanding the point is to isolate /me in the form of RP without affecting /me for general purposes. I.E., the /me command would be usable within the /RP chat option and only show within the /rp option, rather than default global chat. You can currently disable all emotes, no more, no less. What non-RP players are asking for is a way to block out the RP without simply disabling emotes and say chat, since those have value for other communities as well. Not so much just a separate chat channel but an entire filter based on whether or not said channel is activated. It’d effectively be a chat subset.

I’m not stating this as strict benefits to RP players but rather how both sides would likely see benefit. The separation here would offer fewer reasons for other players to isolate and report RP’ers; whatever happens in RP chat stays in RP chat, and then players who aren’t interested either disable it or have no right to report (within reason due to subject nature), since they’d need to be in the RP chat to begin with to see it. This cuts down on the frustrations from both sides where you have people reporting RP’ers for spamming or crude comments while non-RP’ers ruin the immersion of RP without being able to be told off for interrupting, since RP lacks its own ability to shut up say the normal say chat of those intervening.

The only reason why anyone should feel abject to this is exhibitionists wanting to showcase their RP to the entire world, which like I said, for an objective majority of players, do not care about. So what difference does this actually make aside from allowing the stopping of nuisances on both sides?

Balthazzarr.1349:

Leo G.4501:

Balthazzarr.1349:

Many people don’t know this but there is an instance called Rugnar’s Steading in Wayfarer’s Foothills just a few steps north of Dolyak’s Pass Waypoint. Everyone you want can go in there.. it’s not exclusive to a single person… a ton of people can go in and be completely apart from the rest of the GW2 community. You can RP to your hearts content with NOBODY hearing or caring.

To answer your next question of how to let people know.. Simply let the people that you know where it is… they can tell their friends and so on. It’s a real easy solution if people are willing to just give it a try.

Make that the RP zone.. nobody else uses it for anything.

The only objection I can see to this suggestion would be that people actually ‘want’ other people to see their rp instead of having it just between the rp’ers.

Are you sure there aren’t people RPing there already? Basically, your advice may likely be falling on deaf ears as RPers likely already frequent the area every now and then.

DR is often used likely because it is the human home town and there are more human RPers than other races.

Lastly, RPing is spontaneous and isn’t always isolated to a single area. Things may move from place to place. A better question is, why is it so offensive that other people are using /say and /me (programmed to be local means of communication) to communicate with players locally in-character?

Of course it will fall on deaf ears. I actually didn’t expect much more than that. People of one mind are like that. Does anybody that RP’s in DR actually understand that this is Guild Wars 2 and not the “Meet and Greet” game? There are actually games all over the place designed just for this purpose. They can, and will, stay in DR because they WANT people to see what they are doing. That much is clear…. they scream that we are intolerant but the fact is there is zero consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others who have to continue to read this drivel. This is one of the main reasons I bought a pass for a different spot.

Heck, Lion’s Arch takes too long to load to be a home base and DR was a great place to go to for the quick loading. But I’ve moved elsewhere now (for another 1000 gems) but definitely worth it. :P

Actually, DR has long been the home base for most roleplaying. Before megaservers one specific server (which was hard to get to) was the one used but now there is no good way for everyone to go to the same server so you see RP on pretty much any DR instance.

Djinn.9245:

One thing that I think would really be a great start is to remove physical character actions from chat. The point of typing “/sit” or “/dance” is to make your character perform that action, not to inform everyone in chat that your character is doing that action. When you go to a club and dance, you don’t simultaneously announce to everyone around you that you’re dancing. They can see that.

Removing these actions from appearing in the chat record, or at least having a toggle to remove them, would allow me to avoid my chat filling up with

[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.
[Character] is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves.

etc. Which is unnecessary since I can SEE that the character is dancing…

This would be a start to cleaning up chat.

I RP and I have seen the above filling my screen much more often that I have seen even one RP emote. Usually when I meet another RPer we jump up and down rather than use /me.

Leo G.4501:

because if they’re going to use resources to help RP, do it right or just don’t bother at all.

It begs the question of what is “right”. I read over the earlier suggestion about formatting cues in /emote, but all that does is make it easier to spam text blocks, which completely misses the OP’s complaint, which is the nuisance factor of large blocks of potentially-cringe-inducing text showing up via /emote.

The most convenient solutions ANet can deliver is smaller emote range and clickable names to make block/reports easier. Which would suit me just fine.

But, the suggestion does have me thinking what a really cool, very robust chat interface would look like. Something that would really encourage roleplayers to do what they do and have the tools to make it more interesting.
And if ANet needs a financial incentive, roleplayers are the ones probably more likely to buy extra character slots for character concepts over system builds and buy cosmetic items like outfits, possibly to suit a specific character. Just sayin’.

So I’d propose an actual interface, an actual Roleplaying Panel, on the same row as the PvP and WvW icons. It would be a place for:

• better emote/writing structure, including longer text buffers and formatting shortcuts
• range limited visibility so RP groups on the same map don’t talk over each other
• a way to find other RPers by acknowledging who is listed as Active and Open (instead of Private) and keeping Public RP visible in the chat window
• better report tools and more enforceable standards on content, so trolls actually get the ban hammer
• an option to mask names within the RP Panel so players can represent their own ‘NPCs’ in storylines without having to make alternates

It’s all stuff that a simple re-tooling of a chat window isn’t cut out for, and it’s a tool I’d love to see in place for roleplayers to make the most of their experience.

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

There you go! Don’t take responsibility for your choices of words, accusations or double standards. Make revisionist history for your actual replies. Ignore the things you can’t defend. Escape into RP because your arguments are weak.

Did you just type that while misquoting that other post in a less than flattering fashion?

I hope you have no glass in your house.

Misquote what? “That other post” is very descriptive.

Kamara.4187:

jheryn.8390:

RPers don’t bother me, but as someone else mentioned, wouldn’t an RP exclusive channel be a good thing for everyone?

Non-RP people could filter RP out and RP people could have their own channel to talk and not be bothered by all the non-RP chat.

Win-win IMO.

Yes and No. Yes because RPer’s could hook-up and organize better without emoting others to death. No because Rpers have always been a “targeted group” to be grieved by those that think wrecking other peoples game play gives them first seat on the short bus…

Such a channel would have to have moderators, which I’m all for.

I agree that RPers are a targeted group. They get targeted in say chat as well. They are going to get targeted irregardless. It is a shame, but it is going to happen unfortunately because there are always hateful people out there.

What I see here is a lot of people on both sides getting all bent out of shape for the suggestion of creating such a channel. Who cares? Use it or not. Is having one more option really that horrible? With a few exceptions, I see very few people asking that this new channel be created and all role players be exiled to RP on that channel only. If they are, then there is a problem.

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

There you go! Don’t take responsibility for your choices of words, accusations or double standards. Make revisionist history for your actual replies. Ignore the things you can’t defend. Escape into RP because your arguments are weak.

Did you just type that while misquoting that other post in a less than flattering fashion?

I hope you have no glass in your house.

Misquote what? “That other post” is very descriptive.

Uhh… obviously the text that was quoted in my post?? There was total of 2 quotes in my previous post, connect the dots on which “the other post” could possibly mean.

Or at least I can’t find where penelopehannibal.8947 typed “blah blah blah”

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

When I click on the post link, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Something-MUST-be-done-about-the-RP-in-DR/page/2#post6355060 it goes to a post that looks nothing like what you quoted.

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

Did you just type that while misquoting that other post in a less than flattering fashion?

I hope you have no glass in your house.

Misquote what? “That other post” is very descriptive.

Uhh… obviously the text that was quoted in my post?? There was total of 2 quotes in my previous post, connect the dots on which “the other post” could possibly mean.

Or at least I can’t find where penelopehannibal.8947 typed “blah blah blah”

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

When I click on the post link, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Something-MUST-be-done-about-the-RP-in-DR/page/2#post6355060 it goes to a post that looks nothing like what you quoted.

Dude, you are trippin’. I didn’t quote you anywhere on this thread. I looked at each of my posts and yours. No misquoting of you. No mentioning of you. No interaction with you. So again, WTH are you talking about?

And if you read when I responded to penelopehannibal.8947 as I did, it was in response to his intentional, snarky misquoting of me saying “Something about lumps.” It was an in kind reply, not a misquote.

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

Did you just type that while misquoting that other post in a less than flattering fashion?

I hope you have no glass in your house.

Misquote what? “That other post” is very descriptive.

Uhh… obviously the text that was quoted in my post?? There was total of 2 quotes in my previous post, connect the dots on which “the other post” could possibly mean.

Or at least I can’t find where penelopehannibal.8947 typed “blah blah blah”

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

When I click on the post link, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Something-MUST-be-done-about-the-RP-in-DR/page/2#post6355060 it goes to a post that looks nothing like what you quoted.

Dude, you are trippin’. I didn’t quote you anywhere on this thread. I looked at each of my posts and yours. No misquoting of you. No mentioning of you. No interaction with you. So again, WTH are you talking about?

And if you read when I responded to penelopehannibal.8947 as I did, it was in response to his intentional, snarky misquoting of me saying “Something about lumps.” It was an in kind reply, not a misquote.

I never said you quoted me. What’s that have to do with anything? I think you want to give yourself the pinch to see if you’re okay.

And yes, I understand that you were being snarky in return. I just found it funny and decided to continue in that manner.

Ummmm mmoRPG But reality is for those that cannot fantasy. I think and easy way to solve this would be a title “role playing” that uses it’s own chat tab/channel. I say easy because I don’t have to code it lol

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

Did you just type that while misquoting that other post in a less than flattering fashion?

I hope you have no glass in your house.

Misquote what? “That other post” is very descriptive.

Uhh… obviously the text that was quoted in my post?? There was total of 2 quotes in my previous post, connect the dots on which “the other post” could possibly mean.

Or at least I can’t find where penelopehannibal.8947 typed “blah blah blah”

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

When I click on the post link, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Something-MUST-be-done-about-the-RP-in-DR/page/2#post6355060 it goes to a post that looks nothing like what you quoted.

Dude, you are trippin’. I didn’t quote you anywhere on this thread. I looked at each of my posts and yours. No misquoting of you. No mentioning of you. No interaction with you. So again, WTH are you talking about?

And if you read when I responded to penelopehannibal.8947 as I did, it was in response to his intentional, snarky misquoting of me saying “Something about lumps.” It was an in kind reply, not a misquote.

I never said you quoted me. What’s that have to do with anything? I think you want to give yourself the pinch to see if you’re okay.

And yes, I understand that you were being snarky in return. I just found it funny and decided to continue in that manner.

Ah, sorry. From the way it reads, it’s as if you are getting on to me for misquoting both you and that other guy. I was just wondering, why is this guy bagging on me for misquoting him? I didn’t say a thing to him.

Sorry, I didn’t get that you were joking in return. Ugh. Maybe I do need to pinch myself. This has been how my whole day has gone so far.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Charrbeque.8729:

Miku.6297:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Yes, this is true. If you find the content offensive, not because you don’t like any roleplaying, but because a certain segment of roleplaying is crossing the line into sexually-related content, abusive chat, truly “offensive” content in the standard definition of the word, then use the in-game report system, please, and the team will review.

How do we use the in game report system for /me?

You’d have to run around the area to find where the player is, then right-click their character and select the report option. For explicit/offensive chat, verbal abuse should be the correct category.

For something that appears in the chat screen, there’s no need to find the player. You simply right click the name in the chat window, and report.

Even the gray emote text? I wasn’t aware you could do that.

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

jheryn.8390:

ArchonWing.9480:

Did you just type that while misquoting that other post in a less than flattering fashion?

I hope you have no glass in your house.

Misquote what? “That other post” is very descriptive.

Uhh… obviously the text that was quoted in my post?? There was total of 2 quotes in my previous post, connect the dots on which “the other post” could possibly mean.

Or at least I can’t find where penelopehannibal.8947 typed “blah blah blah”

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Snip: Repeated blah, blah, blah.

Snip: Repeated delusion about the mass RP hate on this thread.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

When I click on the post link, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Something-MUST-be-done-about-the-RP-in-DR/page/2#post6355060 it goes to a post that looks nothing like what you quoted.

Dude, you are trippin’. I didn’t quote you anywhere on this thread. I looked at each of my posts and yours. No misquoting of you. No mentioning of you. No interaction with you. So again, WTH are you talking about?

And if you read when I responded to penelopehannibal.8947 as I did, it was in response to his intentional, snarky misquoting of me saying “Something about lumps.” It was an in kind reply, not a misquote.

I never said you quoted me. What’s that have to do with anything? I think you want to give yourself the pinch to see if you’re okay.

And yes, I understand that you were being snarky in return. I just found it funny and decided to continue in that manner.

Ah, sorry. From the way it reads, it’s as if you are getting on to me for misquoting both you and that other guy. I was just wondering, why is this guy bagging on me for misquoting him? I didn’t say a thing to him.

Sorry, I didn’t get that you were joking in return. Ugh. Maybe I do need to pinch myself. This has been how my whole day has gone so far.

In all fairness, I was probably wondering if I was actually tripping while reading this thread. :p Then I pinched myself and was incredibly disappointed.

In the end, I’m ultimately in the forgotten third camp who looks into this and is like “wat?”

Gaile Gray.6029:

Charrbeque.8729:

Miku.6297:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Yes, this is true. If you find the content offensive, not because you don’t like any roleplaying, but because a certain segment of roleplaying is crossing the line into sexually-related content, abusive chat, truly “offensive” content in the standard definition of the word, then use the in-game report system, please, and the team will review.

How do we use the in game report system for /me?

You’d have to run around the area to find where the player is, then right-click their character and select the report option. For explicit/offensive chat, verbal abuse should be the correct category.

For something that appears in the chat screen, there’s no need to find the player. You simply right click the name in the chat window, and report.

You can’t right-click a name via emote though, but you could temporarily add that character name to your friends/block list, then right-click and report from there. Or just see if they said something earlier in /say

ArchonWing.9480:

In all fairness, I was probably wondering if I was actually tripping while reading this thread. :p Then I pinched myself and was incredibly disappointed.

In the end, I’m ultimately in the forgotten third camp who looks into this and is like “wat?”

LOL. I really don’t even really care about the issue. I just thought it would be nice to suggest RPers have their own channel to get away from everyone else and that just caused a kittenstorm.

So when I sit back and think about it, ultimately I would gravitate to your camp.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Charrbeque.8729:

Miku.6297:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Yes, this is true. If you find the content offensive, not because you don’t like any roleplaying, but because a certain segment of roleplaying is crossing the line into sexually-related content, abusive chat, truly “offensive” content in the standard definition of the word, then use the in-game report system, please, and the team will review.

How do we use the in game report system for /me?

You’d have to run around the area to find where the player is, then right-click their character and select the report option. For explicit/offensive chat, verbal abuse should be the correct category.

For something that appears in the chat screen, there’s no need to find the player. You simply right click the name in the chat window, and report.

You can’t right-click a name via emote though, but you could temporarily add that character name to your friends/block list, then right-click and report from there. Or just see if they said something earlier in /say

It’s very difficult to do so if the character has any exotic characters or something like IIIIIIIIIlllllIIIIIIIII. In any case, it’s evident that this is a weakness that trolls are exploiting. Also if you zone in, then you might not even catch a lot of their crap before.

On a side note, I do suggest people without an Airship Pass to go to Rata Sum! :p The RP’ing here seems much more mild, or at least I’ve never seen anything bad and a lot of the stuff is conveniently placed, much better than the nonsense that is LA at least. And the home instance has somewhat sensible node placement.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I updated my comments to explain how to report in-game chat (with a definition of channels) and to explain how to report emote abuse. Thanks for asking about both things.

The use of emotes is not a problem. But if they are being abused — if they are being used in an attempt to inject unacceptable comments into the game — the CS Team would like to know about it so that they can review and take the appropriate action.

Thanks.

Appreciate the tip, Gaile!

I think where the thread is going is that the reporting/blocking procedure on emotes needs a change. Especially blocking, if I’m honest. If I can mute people in two clicks (without having to divine their name and umlots and accent marks and..), then I don’t even have to pester support in well over 90% of the cases that I would just block people.

Oh, and shorter emote ranges, pleeeease.

Hey, I don’t want to punish them (though having /emote fixed so we CAN report someone would be awesome.) I just want a way to remove the blocks of text that doesn’t hinder my general gameplay.

Turning off /map, /say and /emote is basically locking yourself away from the world, just to avoid people who are a bit too into the game.

Blocking them just for being themselves seems unfair – also, it’s not inconceivable that at some point they’ll have useful input, instead of just just spamming the chats.

Other than “it would take effort”, I don’t see why having a new selection of /Roleplay, that limits anything in it to itself is such a big deal.

This is also going on in WvW team speak and Rata Sum.

RoseofGilead.8907:

The main issue is the emote range. Say chat’s range limit is fine, but the emote one goes waaaaaaay farther than Say. As Donari said, a lot of problems would be solved if the emote range were made a lot shorter. As it is now, you can be a ridiculous distance away from the RP players and still “hear” the emote text.

I was going to reply about the subject but this is what I was going to say. If emote was short range as local/say chat AND names in emotes were interactable with those right-click option we wouldn’t have such issues (why isn’t the former a thing? Why can’t names in emotes be a link? If the issue is the formatting it can still be a gray text but an interactable link).

Gaile Gray.6029:

That list too me longer to write than it would take you to report, so it’s really not a hard thing to do, and we’d really like to address issues of emote abuse, to keep the game pleasant for everyone.

Gaile, I appreciate the comment, but submitting a ticket is not in any way convenient to do. It’s not “hard” to do, but there’s a noticeable time and mental transaction cost.

In order to submit a ticket, you must go to an external website. (page load) Find the support button. (page load) Click submit a request. (page load) Select something from the first drop down box. Enter your email, a subject line, and description. Select from another drop down. Enter your name. Reenter the email address you already entered in. Then you can submit it. If you miss any of those fields, the request cannot be submitted.

Even if you can type fast and run windowed mode, this will take someone at least a minute, more likely 2-3. That isn’t worth my time in all but the most severe circumstances. I’m playing for fun, and it’s not my job to be the police. I’m not going to spend a thought on disruptive people on the internet when I can leave and go elsewhere.

I’m happy to report and block any goldseller I see. There are no issues blocking and reporting normal chat if it is derogatory, abusive, or toxic. Either of those take a second or less to report and a second or less to block.

Even submitting an in game bug report is mostly painless, although the categories aren’t easy to sort through. That’s a few clicks an 2 drop downs with a title and description.

I realize it’s not easy to modify the client UI, and make changes to the backend systems that direct reports to where they need to go. But if Arenanet is serious about keeping the community welcoming and dealing with emote abuse, then reporting it must be at least as easy as putting in a bug report. I don’t think anyone is asking that this be in place tomorrow, however it needs to be somewhere on the priority list of improvements.