Guild Wars 2

So we all agree that making instances active even after the creator has left is a really good change. However it has led to instance-stealing/griefing, because there isn’t really anything that could stop them (apart from a later ban if they get reported, assuming said player is willing to make the effort to report them).

So I had the idea of instance ownership modified. If someone leaves a party willingly, they would give up their instance ownership. If they were kicked:

- they could either kick players from that instance and get it back
- or if above isn’t possible, just close it, kicking out the griefers.

The latter is basically the old system but it would be optional, and only available when being forced out of the party.

What do you think?

Stop selling paths. Stop being a kitten to your teammates. Problem solved.

If you’re getting kicked, the problem is not with the grouping system, and it is not with the dungeon community. The problem is entirely your fault, and you should either change whatever behavior you’re exhibiting to cause this or stop playing.

I fail to see why this is an issue. Never had a problem with people griefing or “stealing” an instance.

Clarity on what you mean exactly would be nice.

ANET won’t change it. I lost my faith on that one long ago.

These days I only log on once after each update or when friends prompt me to.

cthaeh.2168:

Stop selling paths. Stop being a kitten to your teammates. Problem solved.

If you’re getting kicked, the problem is not with the grouping system, and it is not with the dungeon community. The problem is entirely your fault, and you should either change whatever behavior you’re exhibiting to cause this or stop playing.

Shame on you!
So you`re telling it`s all MY fault if I get kicked out of the dungeon at the very end because of have done nothing wrong??? Or after having solo`ed the entire path?

PLEASE! I BEG YOU explain me how can this be my fricking fault? Because I`m able to something that you are not? Oh I see! So Eric Clapton plays 10000x better guitar than me and does profit because of it. I guess he HAS TO STOP that behavior since it´s not fair, right?

There are also companies/studios/artists who create films/music/etc., and even though many people want to get that footage they refuse to pay (because they`re kittens) but instead they download it illegal.
So in these “real life” cases you also would advise all the creator to “stop or change this behavior”?

Just facepalm

I never bought or sold instance but imo there is nothing wrong on it if you dont use any exploits. You need to put time and effort into this (and good amount of skill) same as any other farm.
There sould be some form of protection against those kickers. For example there can be 2 entering systems. One like now without instance owners and one for sellers who simply cant be kicked by any possible way if they create instance.

cthaeh.2168:

Stop selling paths.

Dungeon selling isn’t against the rules, but stealing instances is. Shouldn’t action be taken against the rule breakers?

I would like a change to the current system. (Although I have never been kicked, or griefed) I have taken to selling runs that I’ve soloed. It makes me nervous when doing so, cause I don’t want to get kicked out my own run.

But instead of just reverting it back to a modified old system. What about making it so the instance owner has to accept those who want to enter the party? So in the LFG, the player clicks join party, and a notification pops up on the instance owner asking if they want to accept party join request. This way dungeon sellers can do what they do with out fear of being kicked, (get money before accepting). Also make it so the instance owner is unable to be kicked period. If they DC they can come back, just like it is now, without the whole party losing the instance. But they can’t be kicked by those who like to do such things and be trolls.