Guild Wars 2

I would not mind ascended armor if it was the same stats as exotic armor only with a infusion slot.

Asum.4960:

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I couldn’t agree more. +1 and more people should take note of the fact that ANet has no clue what they want for the game, they did a complete 180 and seem to just be going with the flow, throwing random crap in like ascended gear. It’s only going to get worse unless they take up their past convictions.

Look at all the time gating, from daily rewards to legendary RNG this game is 100% based on grind and it is sickening. They said they planned ascended from the start? LOL yeah right! Bull! Straight up lying to our faces at that point.

They caved in to all the grinders from other MMOs crying that they couldn’t get better stats after exotics “whats the point if my character can’t progress in power?” because vertical progression TOTALLY makes sense, right? It’s FAKE.

Although I love WoW, as it was designed around this and does it correctly, after getting a tier set of gear with the best sets they design fights around those stats so you are not progressing at all, they are just tuning everything to you anyway. This is what I never understood about stat grind. Sure, you can go back and faceroll all previous content solo but really is that the only justification of v. progress?

Games may as well all be designed around even stats and only skins imo, it makes the most sense to me. The positives after Blizzard released transmogrification was insane. The game is pretty much about skins now for a lot of people, because it’s fun to look the way you want.

V. progress can be enjoyable (probably because people don’t even notice/understand it), but in a game like guild wars where this was never supposed to be the model if any respect was to be shown to guild wars fans, it’s total garbage and a huge slap to everyone that thought this was going to be a GW1 sequel.

Was it really easier to kitten off the guild wars fan base than to add more skins? Have we even had ONE armor skin added to the game? I sure haven’t seen any, I’m still in cultural armor.

no, unless you can make it with crafting.

ascended accessories killed the jewel-crafting trade.

ascended armor will kill armor smith, leather working and tailor trades.

Lalangamena.3694:

no, unless you can make it with crafting.

ascended accessories killed the jewel-crafting trade.

ascended armor will kill armor smith, leather working and tailor trades.

they really should update the crafting skills so that ascended gear can be crafted!

Aldain.2380:

Sometimes i think that a mmo community it s just a bunch of whiners..
What is an issue about ascended gear? u say getting the to much of a grind?
if that is grind then making an legendary weapon is only wow no lifers… and to boot that is only a skin which has no meaning other then being pretty and shinny…

It’s exactly because it has no other meaning why it can be such a grind. If legendaries had better stats than other gear, then the grind for them would be completely out of question.

Yes, I want ascended armor.

As long as it doesn’t include another NEW currency!

they need to find a way to simplify the current system (an example is done well is that “other game’s” Justice for old content and Valor for new content).

If it comes with a new skin, yes I do want it. Otherwise gtfo plz

I don’t want it.

I will never be the best PvP player, so for me, the longevity of the game comes from switching things out and trying different combinations. New classes and new builds for old classes.

While ascended gear is not necessary to play the game, the existence of a BiS gear that is so difficult to obtain means that I will never get to experience the full capability of different classes and different builds.

Unfortunately, I’m shallow enough that this really bothers me.

I want them to let us “Upgrade” our exotics into Ascended, if ascended ever comes up.
Basically, if they do it right, we would “cook” our Sigil/Runes into our existing armor and unlock the infusion slot.

I would have a hard time accepting any other solution…

Palador.2170:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

do you want ascended armor?

/jranger

Meme’s die when their hosts die. let it go.

As to the OP, i’d like to be able to ascend my existing transmuted exotic armor for more stats but not for huge stacks of ecto or T6. Make it simple and have more than 1-2 ways of doing it.

Rooks Zaer.5846:

No.

-Anything- would be better than what they’ve done so far with the current ascended gear.

Implementing a new gear tier was unnecessary. Giving the gear better stats was unnecessary. Adding agony resist was unnecessary and cheapens the whole skill/teamwork aspect of fractals progression. Making the gear available only through certain venues was dumb. Using the gear as shallow (and extremely obvious) time-sink is dumb. Implementing the gear in the most alt/build unfriendly way possible is dumb.

perfect

Tolmos.8395:

dcypher.2590:

Tolmos.8395:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Whether we want it or not, they have already said they will be releasing full Ascended armor and weapons.

And seeing as how the current trend on Ascended gear is (adding a new currency for every new piece they release), we are going to have a lot of new currencies each time they add more Ascended gear.

And they also said they’ll eventually add more levels.

Which, of course, would nullify all this ascended armor everyone is grind grinding for because then they would have to re-grind grind for the level 90 or whatever the max level version is.

=D

In answer to your question in the title:

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/nope.+dont+look+at+the+tags_735bc1_4133904.gif

So? That’s an mmo. Carrot on a stick. Hook-line-and sinker. Whatever you want to call it. It would also nullify more than just ascended armor. Don’t really see what your point is.

Considering we didn’t know ascended gear was coming, I think the phrase you are looking for is “bait and switch”

I agree. Bait and switch was definitely what I’d call it for the November patch after hearing 7 years of interviews and watching videos of what they had planned both for the content and the gear of the game and to wait until just a month or so after launch to change everything should be criminal. Wasn’t just the ascended it was the statement that some future content would only be available to those who had agony resist.

It wasn’t just the gear they changed btw. dungeon focus rather then world (and NO living story doesn’t come close to what they said they’d do nor is it a good substitute), sudden “adjustment” in the T6 loot, glob salvage chance, and the introduction of DR for “bots”. All of that happened at the same time. Now we’ve all seen adjustments to the games we’ve played to make the game a better experience and to stop exploiters but that’s not what’s going on here anyone with two lobes can tell what it really is.

Eh, not really. I have dungeon armor from every dungeon. Perhaps legendary armor but not ascended. I value my free time. Yet, I suppose if it’s time gated in some way, I’d be cool with it.

YESS PLSS!!

When is Anet gonna release new ascended armor and weapons. I cant wait. My only worry is that the do what they did with Sclerite Karka Shell.

http://dulfy.net/2013/05/14/gw2-secrets-of-southsun-achievement-guide/

“The Sclerite Karka Shell can be upgraded to an ascended version by throwing it into the mystic forge with 50 glob of ectoplasm + 250 karka shells + 100 passion flowers (appearance remains the same).”

That will be a major disappointment

No.

Stop the kittening threadmill.

Actually its not a question if, its more a question of when and how lol. And the sooner the better.

Solo.9027:

As to the OP, i’d like to be able to ascend my existing transmuted exotic armor for more stats but not for huge stacks of ecto or T6. Make it simple and have more than 1-2 ways of doing it.

yeah they really should do that.

make the upgrade cost reasonable please!

I don’t even have full ascended on my main yet. None of my alts is full exotic. Why would I want even more ascended gear?

Of course. I want ASC armor! When it wil be? :-)

Patres.4925:

Of course. I want ASC armor! When it wil be? :-)

could be very soon since they are introducing WvW ascended items by end of this month.

No. I still don’t own any Ascended items. If the dev team continues to add more types, I will quit the game permanently. At this point, people will be forced to upgrade for WvW. I only played GW1 because there was no treadmill. This is not progression — this is madness…

Ascended items take time to get, are soulbound on equip and are useless if you want to change your build due to a change in the balancing of a particular class.
It’s bad enough you have to get the gold together to change your build with exotics. I can’t imagine doing so with the ascended gear. You better know exactly what build you’re going to be using for at least a year before you purchase them.
Some people are certain and have no intentions of ever changing their build. That’s great until Anet decides to do something like boost condition builds and make them more effective than before. Now that person may want to get some condition damage/duration in their build. Doh. Not going to happen at least for however long it will take to grind out new ascended trinkets, then weapons, finally the armor.

The only type of ascended gear I have so far is celestial. It’s like the safety net piece. It’s not great at any one thing but it boosts everything just in case I need to change my build. And when I go from PvE to WvW at least I’m covered when changing my gear.

No. Think about this for a second..(I didnt read the thread so forgive me if I repeat)..but if ascended moved into actual armor slots, it turns into a cash grab.

Most people like the way they look, or most people have different armor sets for different styles of play, and/or PVP. If I got ascended armor, and I hated the way I looked, I will need to have enough fine transmute stones to change the appearance of all of my gear back to what it was prior to ascended armor. If I do not have enough stones, I have to buy off the gem store.

A cash grab. Im not sure if anyone noticed this, but again..arenanet is not fooling me here. Like my argument about slowly introducing ascended gear up until an expansion and poof! new level cap(possibly) and better gears..start the grind all over again. Sounds like any other MMO. Well, arenanet might fool some of you into thinking its different in GW2, but not me. Much like ascended armor…I see it for what it is. A cash grab. Or you look keep the ascended armor look.

want balance in classes for sPvP and WvW

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Solo.9027:

As to the OP, i’d like to be able to ascend my existing transmuted exotic armor for more stats but not for huge stacks of ecto or T6. Make it simple and have more than 1-2 ways of doing itI agree. Make it obtainable. Don’t “encourage” me to play parts of the game that I may not want to…or spend my hard earned ectos(saving for legendary stuff)..

yeah they really should do that.

make the upgrade cost reasonable please!

When they told us that we can have the ascended asccessory for X commendations or whatever, OR 40 laurels 50 ectos…my jaw dropped. I came here to rant and saw a dev post saying “The inclusion of ectos in the price is to encourage players to experience guild missions”. I dont want to be encouraged. I like the way I play. I dont want to be encouraged to play any other way. Stop trying to force me to play the way Arenanet wants me to play…especially after selling me this game where I thought I would be able to PLAY THE WAY I WANT TO.

So when I say, keep it cheap. I mean keep it cheap. Ascend my exotics to ascended stat equivalents via..some small amount. Do not charge me 50 ectos, 40 laurels, 30 commendations, 20 vadges, 10 obsidian shards.. Poof.

cesmode.4257:

So when I say, keep it cheap. I mean keep it cheap. Ascend my exotics to ascended stat equivalents via..some small amount. Do not charge me 50 ectos, 40 laurels, 30 commendations, 20 vadges, 10 obsidian shards.. Poof.

for me, laurels is still ok. since they just cost time to obtain.

ectos are expensive though
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/19721
say average 23 silvers per ecto.
50 ectos = 1150 silvers or … 11.5 gold?

as of now, ascended accessories are still “cheapest” via guild commendations.
12 guild commendations + 5 gold is still cheaper than xx laurels + 50 ectos.

for me, that is.
my guild does guild missions everyday weekends so getting guild commendation is not an issue for me.

but yeah. we should have much more affordable alternatives to upgrading our equipment.

LotuS.4378:

want balance in classes for sPvP and WvW

i’m sure a lot of people want these.
but nc soft wants more RNG chests / crates for gw2.

just a bump to remind ncsoft and anet that, a lot of people are against the idea of having ascended armor.

and hopefully they will re-consider adding ascended armor into the game.

I dont want better armor. I just want different skins. More variety. Last thing in the world I want is another WoW gear treadmill. You know, you come home from wolrk and see you have 5 more levels to gain and the armor you spent a month getting is now useless? Yeah, dont want that crap at all.

If I get more magic find, yes.

Yes, but it has to be available in WvW…

Meglobob.8620:

Yes, but it has to be available in WvW…

do u wish to add “without requiring laurels” as well? XD

My only real problem with ascended gear is that now I feel silly for having leveled a jeweler. I mean really, what’s the point in being able to craft your own high end gear if it’s not at the highest level?

Ditch the laurels, and for the love of God integrate the crafting professions please.

Infernia.9847:

Ascended items take time to get, are soulbound on equip and are useless if you want to change your build due to a change in the balancing of a particular class.
It’s bad enough you have to get the gold together to change your build with exotics. I can’t imagine doing so with the ascended gear. You better know exactly what build you’re going to be using for at least a year before you purchase them.
Some people are certain and have no intentions of ever changing their build. That’s great until Anet decides to do something like boost condition builds and make them more effective than before. Now that person may want to get some condition damage/duration in their build. Doh. Not going to happen at least for however long it will take to grind out new ascended trinkets, then weapons, finally the armor.

That’s silly. I’ve got plenty of tokens and laurels to switch on the fly and that’s with playing FotM once a week if I play at all. As such, even a major overhaul isn’t really a big deal to me, and I’m the definition of casual.

The only type of ascended gear I have so far is celestial. It’s like the safety net piece. It’s not great at any one thing but it boosts everything just in case I need to change my build. And when I go from PvE to WvW at least I’m covered when changing my gear.

I’ve got celestial too because it is so comfortable to use. I don’t want to play perfect, I just want to get through all content in a decent pace.

Ascended armor? Weapons? To be honest it’s a creepy idea, to go with current and implement more gear progression at max level. Creepy because so far it was a case of playing better the class of choice and having the right gear for the playstyle. Creepy because this particular game was supposed to be skill, not grind based. And with gear progression it wil be simply a matter of who has a bigger hammer. Both in PvE and WvW. I don’t like it, at all.

The other thing is – aquisition of this gear. Through dedicated dungeons like it is now? It would be a disaster – we are already facing a problem of LF ZERK WARR/MES PING OR KICK which makes the “right” people slowly taking over the dungeon system. It’s not cool. And if ascended gear will be introduced to this extent, it will be an obligation to have one before you could even start any form of organised multiplayer activity. Or you’d be left with those who don’t have it, which leads us to point…

…about balancing the content. Around what will the content be balanced? If the new content will be built around the idea of ascended gear, those who has been left behind will be screwed. The same raiding mentality that many of us are trying to avoid by choosing this particular franchise, “be geared in X, specced in Y or you won’t run with us at all” will strike with brutal force. Around exotics? Then what do we need ascended for in the first place?

To make ascended a top tier gear and not ruining this game, it would have to be widely obtainable (drops inculded), in various possible ways. Just like exotics are now. Otherwise… Well, GW2 and the idea that stands behind it will be killed.

No, we don’t need more gear grinding in this game. People who want that kind of stuff already have all the other “theme park” MMORPGs on the market to play.
I’d rather have the developers work on expanding the world and the story.

Yes, I like to work for it. Since you are maxed out with gear so fast, it’s boring, be cause there is nothing to do (yes I have world completion 100%, two Legendaries, Dungeon Master, 4 Professions with max. Level rest between 60-78). There is simply nothing to do. I kinda like cosmetic stuff, but I rather work for something better with better stats (yes, I also like WoW). Someting, I always complained in GW1.

There was one quote on the 1st page, that really annoys me. Represents the casual, I-want-it-all-but-don’t-like-to-work-for-it-attitude:
Not really. I just want new armor skins. I don’t feel like treadmilling I just wanna collect.

Why do you play games then anyway? Don’t you want a feel of achievement?

ProtoGunner.4953:

There was one quote on the 1st page, that really annoys me. Represents the casual, I-want-it-all-but-don’t-like-to-work-for-it-attitude:
Not really. I just want new armor skins. I don’t feel like treadmilling I just wanna collect.

Why do you play games then anyway? Don’t you want a feel of achievement?

And you might be asked the same. If a feeling of achievement is what you’re after – why do you need improved stats? Or any reward at all when completing content, for that matter?

ProtoGunner.4953:

be cause there is nothing to do (yes I have world completion 100%, two Legendaries, Dungeon Master, 4 Professions with max. Level rest between 60-78)

Rather an offtopic matter but… what the hell are you expecting? You clearly have very much free time so you completed whole content. And you will do it, and be bored, everytime devs release anything new. So your point is a little bit invalid…

There was one quote on the 1st page, that really annoys me. Represents the casual, I-want-it-all-but-don’t-like-to-work-for-it-attitude:
Not really. I just want new armor skins. I don’t feel like treadmilling I just wanna collect.

Why do you play games then anyway? Don’t you want a feel of achievement?

Yes, skins also provide a feeling of an achievement. Unlike what you might think. But most and for all – beeing better on battlefield is an achievement, however… I’d even say it’s bigger if it relays on skill of the player, not stats beeing attached to your back.

It’s not like I can’t understand the gear progression, but it’s something that I don’t like. It creates multiply problems and forces people to become an employee of the game. Sorry, games IMO are not made to be “working for” something, there were made to be fun. I’d really like to take a rest from GW2, leave it for few months (which I already did, I’m back from May after taking a break in October) and has just as powerful toon as I had when I seized. If I am a good player I should be able to keep up, updating tactics and polishing my skills. But if game requires me to play non-stop to be up to date with the stuff, or I’d have to quickly chase my toon to the current level of “top gear” I call this full-time-corpo work and rat chase, not an entertainment. I don’t know how about you, I work enough in the real world, I don’t need a second vacancy in a made up virtual world. For this reason I’m not playing a tons of other MMOs out there but I chose a GW franchise, which was supposed to be different. And that is the particular reason why am I (and as I see many other players as well) against any raiding mechanics in GW*.

*Edit: There’s only one case I’d have nothing against it – if raiding gear was usable only in raiding activities. If ascended and even higher tiers were introduced within a specific dungeon-line only, and they would be able to be used only within this dungeon-line, I don’t care about it. But if they were meant to be influencing a whole game experience like they do now, I have no warm words for it. No. Just no.

ProtoGunner.4953:

There was one quote on the 1st page, that really annoys me. Represents the casual, I-want-it-all-but-don’t-like-to-work-for-it-attitude:
Not really. I just want new armor skins. I don’t feel like treadmilling I just wanna collect.

Why do you play games then anyway? Don’t you want a feel of achievement?

I play games to be challenged. I do not play them for some kind of perceived virtual reward.
You’re the one whose idea of what gaming should be has been horribly skewed by years of Pavlovian response training.

Games do not need to give you loot to give you a sense of achievement.

Being as good as you can be should be challenge and reward enough; be that in soloing dungeon or meta event bosses, getting a high sPvP rank or doing well in WvW.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: people who need items with higher stats aren’t actually the best at these games. They’re actually worse than a lot of other players, because they rely on higher stats rather than their own skills.

ProtoGunner.4953:

There was one quote on the 1st page, that really annoys me. Represents the casual, I-want-it-all-but-don’t-like-to-work-for-it-attitude:
Not really. I just want new armor skins. I don’t feel like treadmilling I just wanna collect.

Why do you play games then anyway? Don’t you want a feel of achievement?

You know this is a video game, right? Achievement means nothing, it’s all virtual. At the end of the day, your gear with superior stats isn’t worth more than the cosmetic gear you can get in GW2.
I play games for fun and challenge, I don’t give a “kitten” about gear and the related grind. I don’t need an ever elusive “carrot” to chase in video games I enjoy, I’m not a hamster on a treadmill but a human being playing a game. Even when I was raiding “hardcore” in WoW (4+ nights a week for 3+ hours, in the server first guild), I was only doing it for fun, gear was sadly a necessary evil but only a tool, not my goal. My goal was to beat the content, possibly before the others. That’s why I had no problems to stop raiding once it got old, because I wasn’t a slave of the gear grind like so many in my guild were.

1st: I have a 100% job, but I took my time and set it top priority to get a legendary, so I logged in after coming home from work and farmed my kitten off. This was already done before Christmas.

We all have different playstyles and feelings how a game has to be. For me roleplaying games is about progression, this means not only level progression, but also gear progression. I started pretty early with japanese RPGs (Lunar series in the early 90ies on Sega Mega CD) so I may have a different opinion about games as a whole. I know that MMOs have the bad habit that there is no end (see WoW), since all the bis gear is crap after a new content patch. There is no solution for both playstyles.

If you want to play games to be challenged then I recommend ‘Dark Souls’ for you. It’s an a blast of a game.

Yes, absolutely.

I genuinely want a new PvE goal to grind towards.

Ascended gear in my view was a compromise, introduced solely to appease the vocal minority who become burned out on the game quickly and then complain about the lack of incentive to keep playing. A core tenet of both GW1 and GW2 was that only your skill set you apart from other players, not the amount of time you could devote to grinding on a gear treadmill. Thankfully, at least in the majority of non-FoTM PvE, this is still the case because Exotic gear is more than enough to do content; so, if Anet introduces more ascended equipment without making future content require ascended equipment I’d be okay with it. It would still in my mind be a major reversal of their beliefs but I do support the game and want to see it retain players, and if additional (but ultimately negligible) ascended equipment is what’s needed then so be it.

That said, if future content is gated in favor of those who grind for ascended equipment, I’ll be disappointed.

For WvW, I believe ascended equipment was a bad move because it makes it harder for more casual WvWers to remain competitive stat-wise. But I don’t know enough about WvW to comment on if the advantages offered by ascended equipment can’t be overcome by skillful play, so I won’t comment on it further.

Oh, and another sad byproduct of gear grinds…

What I don’t want to happen in GW2 is me going AFK for a month, because of work, holidays or whatever else, and come back only to be so far behind gear wise that I need to grind old content for weeks before I can catch up.

That’s what’s so nice with GW2 compared to all those pointless grinders… I can go AFK for a while and be sure my character’s gear won’t be obsolete when I come back.

GW2 is a game for people with a life outside of MMORPGs, and like it or not, those people, those who some call “casuals”, are now the vast majority.

At the end of the day, do I want more permanent and challenging content in the game? Yes, and I think we all do. But that does NOT require a gear grind. Definitely not.

Ascended gear in any other game would be great but it wouldn’t work in GW. The whole process of obtaining ascended trinkets atm is pretty ridiculous in that you have to enjoy fractals (which it seems a lot of people don’t or can’t get into because they didn’t start when they were first released) or play everyday for weeks to get 1 ascended piece. The moment you introduce ascended gear it will become necessary for a lot of things otherwise you wont get invites (same as exotics over rares), and given the difficulty of obtaining the trinkets if it’s anything like them there will be a lot of complaints and unhappy players.

@Jaall:
Yes, you are right, but as long as any content requiring ascended works like fractals, and the first 10 “ranks” do not require any ascended gear to complete, PvE wise it would be acceptable for me. I’m not interested in a grind but I want to experience all the content ANet released and not be locked out of some by a gear grind. I pay like 20€ per month worth of gems, if I start getting locked out of content I will stop paying.

But then there’s also World vs World… and the more ascended pieces they add to the game, the more overpowered the “haves” become compared to the “have not”. And that is not acceptable, WvW already has it’s own, balanced progression system, and doesn’t need a gear grind that permits the “bads” to become “good” thanks to better stats because they have no life and can grind in a video game for 8+ hours every day. Leave this to WoW and its clones, and keep this out of this game… and definitely keep this out of this game’s PvP.

NO

Dungeons are already too face-rolley with full Exotics.
The only condition I’d be okay with, is if there was no “Berseker” Stats even possible.
Either that or Anet need to rework their stinkin’ “End game” so that there’s more than 1 ‘best way to play it’…. got so sick of that crap back when everything came down to Ursanway and Terrraway & BUH. You’d think they would have learned by now…

ilr.9675:

NO

Dungeons are already too face-rolley with full Exotics.
The only condition I’d be okay with, is if there was no “Berseker” Stats even possible.
Either that or Anet need to rework their stinkin’ “End game” so that there’s more than 1 ‘best way to play it’…. got so sick of that crap back when everything came down to Ursanway and Terrraway & BUH. You’d think they would have learned by now…

Find yourself a good guild like mine. Nobody in TFA “snobs” people who don’t have the “perfect build”, yet we tackle every dungeon including Arah and Fractals. My own main is a “tankish” warrior, I don’t even own berzerker gear, because I don’t let others dictate how I play the games I pay for.