Guild Wars 2

The reason why you see this happening is pretty simple: Arenanet nerfs to the ground every farming area in the game that is seen as profitable so the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really, but rather the extreme nerf on the farming areas from anet that led to this behaviour. Before you had cof p1 to run, areas to farm and so on. Now, it’s all about the places where champs spawn the most to get as many chests as possible. When this gets nerfed, the zerg will move to the next most profitable thing and repeat the process.

Kronus.6048:

…the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really…

It really is. Try actually playing the game as it is intended to be played instead of squeezing every copper out of it until Anet is forced to step in.

Kronus.6048:

The reason why you see this happening is pretty simple: Arenanet nerfs to the ground every farming area in the game that is seen as profitable so the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really, but rather the extreme nerf on the farming areas from anet that led to this behaviour. Before you had cof p1 to run, areas to farm and so on. Now, it’s all about the places where champs spawn the most to get as many chests as possible. When this gets nerfed, the zerg will move to the next most profitable thing and repeat the process.

Let’s be realistic – even if more legitimate farming locations had NOT been nerfed and this exploit came to be, the exploit would still become the dominant way of earning gold.

Do you honestly believe that people would choose pre-nerf Pen/Shelt over the ludicrous profits generated by this?

The only solution to this is to out-zerg the zerg. Get enough people to complete the event, then complete it. Let the zerglings rage at their monitors all they want.

If all else fails, report it to anet.

Kronus.6048:

The reason why you see this happening is pretty simple: Arenanet nerfs to the ground every farming area in the game that is seen as profitable so the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really, but rather the extreme nerf on the farming areas from anet that led to this behaviour. Before you had cof p1 to run, areas to farm and so on. Now, it’s all about the places where champs spawn the most to get as many chests as possible. When this gets nerfed, the zerg will move to the next most profitable thing and repeat the process.

Blaming ArenaNet for the poor behavior displayed by some of the people playing this game is absurd.

tolunart.2095:

Kronus.6048:

…the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really…

It really is. Try actually playing the game as it is intended to be played instead of squeezing every copper out of it until Anet is forced to step in.

Its the MMO player mentality, sure its the farmer’s fault, but you can’t change people, they need to fix it before it does long term damage to the economy.

There’s no reason to blame people for getting rewards as quickly as possible. If they found content compelling enough and rewards adequate enough then they’d do it.

What’s sad is that Champions should not be nerfed because of the way they are currently exploited, but it’s almost impossible to force people not to exploit-bad for those who would do and finish events and farm champions “normally.”

It’s not nearly as profitable as the Deadeye Delta 5 gambit runs in Queen’s Gauntlet. Zerk warriors are pulling about 21gp/hour and that’s raw gold unlike the champ farm which is primarily loot.

Quite a simple solution, really. Once the event is failed, the champion vanishes. There goes your farm.

It is Anets fault, and its getting worse, each time Anet clamps down on the content, they look for other ways to make money, if the currency wasn’t important we wouldn’t be in this state now..

Shockwave.1230:

There’s no reason to blame people for getting rewards as quickly as possible. If they found content compelling enough and rewards adequate enough then they’d do it.

There is no reason to harras people who like to complete events as intended .

chemiclord.3978:

Quite a simple solution, really. Once the event is failed, the champion vanishes. There goes your farm.

That wouldn’t hurt anything. It would cost them like 1-2 champs per run.

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

kokiman.2364:

Shockwave.1230:

There’s no reason to blame people for getting rewards as quickly as possible. If they found content compelling enough and rewards adequate enough then they’d do it.

There is no reason to harras people who like to complete events as intended .

No, there’s not. This is ANet’s issue to manage though. They missed seeing that this event would cause two conflicting playstyles to collide, rewards driven vs content driven. There’s nothing wrong with how people enjoy the game.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Kronus.6048:

The reason why you see this happening is pretty simple: Arenanet nerfs to the ground every farming area in the game that is seen as profitable so the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really, but rather the extreme nerf on the farming areas from anet that led to this behaviour. Before you had cof p1 to run, areas to farm and so on. Now, it’s all about the places where champs spawn the most to get as many chests as possible. When this gets nerfed, the zerg will move to the next most profitable thing and repeat the process.

Let’s be realistic – even if more legitimate farming locations had NOT been nerfed and this exploit came to be, the exploit would still become the dominant way of earning gold.

Do you honestly believe that people would choose pre-nerf Pen/Shelt over the ludicrous profits generated by this?

Probably not, but back then the economy was fine and everything was cheap. Those days arenet added a bunch of gold sinks even though the price for gems is much higher and everything is more expensive.

Shockwave.1230:

kokiman.2364:

Shockwave.1230:

There’s no reason to blame people for getting rewards as quickly as possible. If they found content compelling enough and rewards adequate enough then they’d do it.

There is no reason to harras people who like to complete events as intended .

No, there’s not. This is ANet’s issue to manage though. They missed seeing that this event would cause two conflicting playstyles to collide, rewards driven vs content driven. There’s nothing wrong with how people enjoy the game.

It’s their issue, but not their fault. In a game with hundreds, if not thousands of events, predicting this outcome in any one of them is too much to expect. Now, the fixing of said problem should have been more prompt than it has been. It’s been going on for days now, if I’m not mistaken.

Then again, Anet rarely seems to be fast on the uptake of anything that doesn’t involve nerfing Elementalists or nerfing legitimate farm locations.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Then again, Anet rarely seems to be fast on the uptake of anything that doesn’t involve nerfing Elementalists or nerfing legitimate farm locations.

It’s almost like the Elementalist having widespread meta builds is the afflicted plague and ANet is the Ministry of Purity, but this is something completely separate. No further diverging necessary in this forum.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

You know, if we can blame ANet for the people being complete c . . . contemptible excuses for human beings, does that mean I can go back to blaming WotC for making Magic: The Gathering too entertaining I spend too much on it from time to time?

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Exactly what “isn’t intended”? If events weren’t meant to fail, they wouldn’t have designed them so.

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Exactly what “isn’t intended”? If events weren’t meant to fail, they wouldn’t have designed them so.

The deliberate fails in order to do repeatedly, ad-nauseum, THAT is not an intended feture of the game. Next.

Our guild completed this event while other players told us they’d hunt us down and murder us in real life if we killed a cauldron. Something must be done.

Cletus Van Damme.2795:

Our guild completed this event while other players told us they’d hunt us down and murder us in real life if we killed a cauldron. Something must be done.

Report them. That may fly (somewhat) on League, but it should really be reported.

Shockwave.1230:

There’s no reason to blame people for getting rewards as quickly as possible. If they found content compelling enough and rewards adequate enough then they’d do it.

The problem here is the form they react against someone trying to do the event, not the fact they are farming.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Cletus Van Damme.2795:

Our guild completed this event while other players told us they’d hunt us down and murder us in real life if we killed a cauldron. Something must be done.

oh now thats a bit Like stealing Sheldons weapons in WoW

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Actually, that silver reward is random can go up to about 7s+ and they can be farmed at an extreme rate by deliberately failing this event. Hell, with a group that barely did any dps (in other words, missed the majority of champ kills), I made about 6g from the 3 runs I participated in with guildies. That’s roughly 2g per 10-15 minutes of actual playtime with a poor farming group. An optimal one could likely make 2-3 times that amount, and that’s NOT counting the potential to get lucky with the RNG chests and net an Entropy, Genesis, or other unique exotic.

And yes, there is a valid reason to report this situation (but not the players taking advantage of it, with the exception of flamers/verbal harassers). He’s not the toxic player – the ones throwing out insults, death threats, and reports at players who are trying to correctly do an event are the toxic players. Though you clearly haven’t the slightest bloody clue what does and doesn’t constitute bad player behavior.

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Well the way you answered in your first post you actually seemed like you wanted arenaet to ban people for failing those events. Personally I’ve never been there, but even then it wouldn’t be fair because you cannot judge who does what. Some there might be following a commander or just someone unflagged, so how do you ban and for what reason? It’s not exactly ’’fair’’ to ban a guy for following a zerg and farming champions UNLESS farming itself becomes bannable, but then again that would be stupid.

Actually, I think the simple solution would be that dynamic events scale to success and failure rates as well as surrounding players.

The more often the event is failed, the easier and easier the mobs should become till the point there are no champions.

The more often the success of the event happens, the harder it will be next time, causing incentive to spawn more difficult mobs and drawing in more possible rewards.

There will be a balancing point where players can’t push anymore and it will even out at a win/loss rate to stop spawning harder mobs and making it easier on the next try.

Hard core players could try to push the success rate higher and claim the accomplishment of hard challenges by winning “x” amount of successes on an event in a row, reaching a crazy high number of champions per an event.

Empty servers/zones with people not doing events could become soloable after a period of time that an event had no successes to it. This would allow more players to see more parts of the game…with less rewards of course because the event scaled down.

More can be done to make it different, and the more often you win an event it will not count towards DR because the event keeps changing and it isn’t a repetitive farm.

They could go so far as if you get multiple wins in a row, it will spawn a new event…but that’s for other talks to help improve the game.

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Well the way you answered in your first post you actually seemed like you wanted arenaet to ban people for failing those events. Personally I’ve never been there, but even then it wouldn’t be fair because you cannot judge who does what. Some there might be following a commander or just someone unflagged, so how do you ban and for what reason? It’s not exactly ’’fair’’ to ban a guy for following a zerg and farming champions UNLESS farming itself becomes bannable, but then again that would be stupid.

I do want this, examples must be set and have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. Next.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Well the way you answered in your first post you actually seemed like you wanted arenaet to ban people for failing those events. Personally I’ve never been there, but even then it wouldn’t be fair because you cannot judge who does what. Some there might be following a commander or just someone unflagged, so how do you ban and for what reason? It’s not exactly ’’fair’’ to ban a guy for following a zerg and farming champions UNLESS farming itself becomes bannable, but then again that would be stupid.

I do want this, examples must be set and have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. Next.

Then you are either ignorant or just naive if you think it’s easy. You are basically saying ‘’ban players even if they are innocent.’’ I asked once again, who do you blame for letting the events fail? the leader or the sheep? the leader might not be trying because he might be scared others will curse/insult him, while the sheep won’t do it for the same reason.

tolunart.2095:

Kronus.6048:

…the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really…

It really is. Try actually playing the game as it is intended to be played instead of squeezing every copper out of it until Anet is forced to step in.

Is it stated somewhere that farming is illegal? I thought “it is not required” – means, we can farm “if we want”.

knives.6345:

tolunart.2095:

Kronus.6048:

…the farmers are rushing to get as many rewards as possible before the nerfhammer hits. It’s not the farmers fault really…

It really is. Try actually playing the game as it is intended to be played instead of squeezing every copper out of it until Anet is forced to step in.

Is it stated somewhere that farming is illegal? I thought “it is not required” – means, we can farm “if we want”.

OFC it is, the casuals have demanded ! It will become a banneable offense next patch -_-

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Well the way you answered in your first post you actually seemed like you wanted arenaet to ban people for failing those events. Personally I’ve never been there, but even then it wouldn’t be fair because you cannot judge who does what. Some there might be following a commander or just someone unflagged, so how do you ban and for what reason? It’s not exactly ’’fair’’ to ban a guy for following a zerg and farming champions UNLESS farming itself becomes bannable, but then again that would be stupid.

I do want this, examples must be set and have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. Next.

Then you are either ignorant or just naive if you think it’s easy. You are basically saying ‘’ban players even if they are innocent.’’ I asked once again, who do you blame for letting the events fail? the leader or the sheep? the leader might not be trying because he might be scared others will curse/insult him, while the sheep won’t do it for the same reason.

I blame both, as I said before, have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. People should read and be expected to adhere to the rules no matter how trivial they may seem to you. Next.

Kronus.6048:

Then you are either ignorant or just naive if you think it’s easy. You are basically saying ‘’ban players even if they are innocent.’’ I asked once again, who do you blame for letting the events fail? the leader or the sheep? the leader might not be trying because he might be scared others will curse/insult him, while the sheep won’t do it for the same reason.

If both the sheep and the leader are capable of thinking, then they are both responsable. But isnt ilegal to farm, only insults and that kind of conduct.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I blame both, as I said before, have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. People should read and be expected to adhere to the rules no matter how trivial they may seem to you. Next.

Thats ok, but the problem isnt the farm but how some farmers react to normal people playing the game. So the act of farm isnt the problem but the behavior some of the farmers have when someone is playing their zerg chain. Next.

At any rate, the discussion has been derailed. It’s up to Anet to decide whether the farming itself is exploitative enough to warrant a temporary ban for those involved (I’m personally leaning towards it not being ban-worthy), but the important factor is the event itself (and others like it) that reward failure and create toxic behavior.

While I do consider the situation to be an exploit, it doesn’t share the same characteristics as the exploits that were deemed ban-worthy in the past. Whereas the karma exploit and the snowflake exploit created something of value from almost nothing, there is actual play and effort involved in the process of exploiting this particular champ farm – it’s just effort in an entirely and deliberately wrong direction.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Well the way you answered in your first post you actually seemed like you wanted arenaet to ban people for failing those events. Personally I’ve never been there, but even then it wouldn’t be fair because you cannot judge who does what. Some there might be following a commander or just someone unflagged, so how do you ban and for what reason? It’s not exactly ’’fair’’ to ban a guy for following a zerg and farming champions UNLESS farming itself becomes bannable, but then again that would be stupid.

I do want this, examples must be set and have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. Next.

Then you are either ignorant or just naive if you think it’s easy. You are basically saying ‘’ban players even if they are innocent.’’ I asked once again, who do you blame for letting the events fail? the leader or the sheep? the leader might not be trying because he might be scared others will curse/insult him, while the sheep won’t do it for the same reason.

I blame both, as I said before, have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. People should read and be expected to adhere to the rules no matter how trivial they may seem to you. Next.

Ignorance is always an excuse, it doesnt mean it will always keep you from consequences.

This is ANet’s issue to solve, not the players. It’s ANet’s fault they missed this. Punishing people with a reward centric playstyle with bans for this is not acceptable. I bet there are people farming the area who have no idea it’s blocking anything, I didn’t even know about this farm until yesterday and didn’t know it was part of the arah chain until today.

You can’t punish people who are ignorant to this and also punish people who play the game for efficient rewards. Both set bad precedents.

Lucius.2140:

Im Mudbone.1437:

I blame both, as I said before, have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. People should read and be expected to adhere to the rules no matter how trivial they may seem to you. Next.

Thats ok, but the problem isnt the farm but how some farmers react to normal people playing the game. So the act of farm isnt the problem but the behavior some of the farmers have when someone is playing their zerg chain. Next.

Farming in and of itself isn’t illegal(I’m a farmer), It’s the method used(the zerg train causing purposely failed events in order to get not as intended gains). Here’s your sign.

Shockwave.1230:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Kronus.6048:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Sanctus.8350:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Isn’t it in the ANET/NCsoft ToS that anyone caught or reported for exploiting and confirmed by a dev grounds for an immediate ban whether it be temp. or perm.? If so, then, why has absolutely no-one been banned for this act of total disregard for legitimate players AND ANETs rules been totally ignored? IMHO ANET should just throw all the rules in the trash and allow everyone to do ANYTHING they want to any degree they want, it’s only fair. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Because its not an exploit, granted, the rewards are a bit rediculous and nerf-worthy at the moment. Events were designed to scale to the amount of players involved in them. Events were designed to be failable. Events were designed to re-trigger after a certain amount of time after failing. Using intended ingame mechanics to your advantage isn’t exploiting (stop using this word to describe anything that might, has, or should get nerfed).

OK, fair enough, replace exploit with not as intended. Same difference.

Eh, they are not as bad as toxic players like you that report everything for no reason. Exploits are when you get insane unfair advantages aka karma weapon for 300 karma or snowflakes giving craploads of ecto. Champion provide 1 chest that is RNG with 4s in it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, the only thing I have reported are a handful of gold sellers and botters, I have never made zerg farming reports only observations, I myself am a solo open world farmer(never staying in one region for more than 2 hours max). Next.

Well the way you answered in your first post you actually seemed like you wanted arenaet to ban people for failing those events. Personally I’ve never been there, but even then it wouldn’t be fair because you cannot judge who does what. Some there might be following a commander or just someone unflagged, so how do you ban and for what reason? It’s not exactly ’’fair’’ to ban a guy for following a zerg and farming champions UNLESS farming itself becomes bannable, but then again that would be stupid.

I do want this, examples must be set and have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. Next.

Then you are either ignorant or just naive if you think it’s easy. You are basically saying ‘’ban players even if they are innocent.’’ I asked once again, who do you blame for letting the events fail? the leader or the sheep? the leader might not be trying because he might be scared others will curse/insult him, while the sheep won’t do it for the same reason.

I blame both, as I said before, have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. People should read and be expected to adhere to the rules no matter how trivial they may seem to you. Next.

Ignorance is always an excuse, it doesnt mean it will always keep you from consequences.

This is ANet’s issue to solve, not the players. It’s ANet’s fault they missed this. Punishing people with a reward centric playstyle with bans for this is not acceptable. I bet there are people farming the area who have no idea it’s blocking anything, I didn’t even know about this farm until yesterday and didn’t know it was part of the arah chain until today.

You can’t punish people who are ignorant to this and also punish people who play the game for efficient rewards. Both set bad precedents.

Even if it didn’t set bad precedents, a mass ban would probably be a bad move on Anet’s part from a business and PR standpoint. It would only hurt the reputation with both the in-game community and onlookers. Bad PR just isn’t worth making a statement to your playerbase that won’t stick and won’t solve anything – 5 minutes later, they’ll find something else to exploit and nothing good will come of it all.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I do want this, examples must be set and have you not heard the saying “ignorance of the law(or in this case, the ToS) is not an excuse”. Next.

Your quote is inapplicable. Someone who wanders over to the location of a commander tag on the map and joins a fight is not guilty of breaking any law (or TOS).

Real world example:

A man hurries out of a store, dropping a package on the way. Another man entering the store, trying to be helpful, picks up the package and hands it to the man who dropped it. The good Samaritan learns after the fact the the package was stolen merchandise from the store and that the man who had dropped it was a thief. The good Samaritan is not a criminal for helping the thief get away because he was not knowingly aiding in the commission of a crime.

Your quote is also not applicable because the action in question has not been declared to be a crime (or violation of the TOS). Ignorance of the law IS in fact a defense if the law in question is not unambiguously stated.

I don’t think players should be banned for farming, but they should definitely be receive at least temporary bans if they abuse people playing the game as intended. And like it or not, finishing DEs is what Anet intended when they made the game.

So if I go to finish an event, whether I realize people are farming or not, because I want to finish an event, and people curse at me, you’re kitten straight I’ll report them.

That said, I passed that event today on my way to a personal story, and ended up killing some champs. Man they go down fast. It was ridiculous.

The event spawning champions the way it does, one after another, is clearly broken and needs to be fixed.

Given the lack of response from Anet so far, this is probably working as intended, and I was one of the first to predict an incoming nerf on this farming. It’s quite likely that we’re going to need an awful lot of mats for Crafting from 400 to 500, so they’re pre-loading it for us.

The fact that we can pick up a fair bit of gold along the way isn’t all that bad either. Not all of us are trading post sharpshooters.

The lack of civility between players however, is not justified. Play nice kiddies, and maybe we’ll get to keep playing Farm Wars 2.

/signed every of your points except the economy part. Economies rarely “break”, they just shift and adapt, with winners and losers.

Every time I read these threads I feel compelled to jump in for 1 reason alone: the whiners always have a “they shouldn’t have that! I should have that!” mentality. They(the farmers) get rewards that complainers feel are “undeserved” and they vent on the forums trying to get Anet to show up as the shining angel of banhammerville. It’s so weird because all of you complaining should be farming too, that’s how games work! Intelligent farming and time spent yield greater rewards than casual running around.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Given the lack of response from Anet so far, this is probably working as intended, and I was one of the first to predict an incoming nerf on this farming. It’s quite likely that we’re going to need an awful lot of mats for Crafting from 400 to 500, so they’re pre-loading it for us.

The fact that we can pick up a fair bit of gold along the way isn’t all that bad either. Not all of us are trading post sharpshooters.

The lack of civility between players however, is not justified. Play nice kiddies, and maybe we’ll get to keep playing Farm Wars 2.

I think their lack of response is because they know they’ve created an insatiable monster. To let the monster run amuck isn’t good for the good citizens of Tyria, but any attempts to check the monster will result in a display of wrath terrible to behold.