Guild Wars 2

do you also know the client wont let us download the game? it was fine for a few hours then i closed it after update and it didnt restart the game it said errors retrying and this has been happening to many of us for 5 + hours

Glad to hear it…. jumped in PVP and ppl are melting left and right, even using tanky stats like soldiers don’t help much against the insane damage output.

Thank you for the update, and also thank you for the changes to Quaggans, best part of the day for me and many of my guild

Things are known.

1) Burning seem a bit strong

FTFY. You nerfed bleeding

Power builds are too strong as well. You can 1 shot people. Its broken.

Jon: What [EG] Ethereal Guardians noticed at Teq was that quickness stacked up to 2 minutes. Quickness, combined with strong vulnerability, compounded all the other effects playing into why everything seems broken.

Just please be kind to mesmers. I almost feel like we are in the meta, just please let us be good before you make us weak again

thx for the info i hope to see some good world boss fights again
and not some brainless attacking and dead in a seconds

JonPeters.5630:

In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses.

For those of us actively posting in our class or bug forums, would Reds mind posting or confirming bugs so we can move to providing feedback on meaningful things and not burn cycles on confirmed issues?

Please bring back trapper’s expertise with ground targeting.

Are you going to address how you forced characters to train into builds using their hero points without their consent? :o

JonPeters.5630:

Just getting these out there so we know we are all in agreement:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong
2) World bosses are currently too easy
3) There are some bugged skills and traits
4) There are some overpowered builds

We won’t fix it all at once but these are four large topics we are talking about. In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses. We are dedicating time towards these issues and are intending to resolve them as quickly as possible. As we have said before, the live environment differs too greatly from anything we can reliably simulate internally so big changes like today’s build will cause things to sometimes change at an alarming rateTM.

Thanks for your patience,

Jon

Just… YES. Can’t say anything has re-assured me in this game as much as this simply post has. The fact that you came out an acknowledged some issues, well it’s a breath of fresh air to me. So for that Thank you Jon, take as much time as you need, the fact that you acknowledge the issues is all I ever ask. (cough cough, still waiting to hear about Lupi cough cough, but don’t take that with any negativity Jon, what you just did was strait awesome).

Don’t forget about Silverwastes. The Mordrem burned so hard that Smokey Bear had to intervene.

the meta has changed at an alarming rate

JonPeters.5630:

Just getting these out there so we know we are all in agreement:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong
2) World bosses are currently too easy
3) There are some bugged skills and traits
4) There are some overpowered builds

We won’t fix it all at once but these are four large topics we are talking about. In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses. We are dedicating time towards these issues and are intending to resolve them as quickly as possible. As we have said before, the live environment differs too greatly from anything we can reliably simulate internally so big changes like today’s build will cause things to sometimes change at an alarming rateTM.

Thanks for your patience,

Jon

Tell my Ranger his condition damage seems a bit strong. He’s still laughing.

Afya.5842:

1) Burning seem a bit strong

FTFY. You nerfed bleeding

Yes. Also please look for skills and classes causing the problems before nerfing across an entire condi type. Cough cough guardian burning cough cough

Nerf guardian burn stacks and see if the world bosses aren’t a little slower to down.

Also, maybe this should be a hint that blurring lines between pvp/pve doesn’t work in anything but theories and hopes.

Jon, can we get this STICKERED onto the top of the discussion forums. We can avoid many redundant posts by doing so.

Jerus.4350:

JonPeters.5630:

Just getting these out there so we know we are all in agreement:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong
2) World bosses are currently too easy
3) There are some bugged skills and traits
4) There are some overpowered builds

We won’t fix it all at once but these are four large topics we are talking about. In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses. We are dedicating time towards these issues and are intending to resolve them as quickly as possible. As we have said before, the live environment differs too greatly from anything we can reliably simulate internally so big changes like today’s build will cause things to sometimes change at an alarming rateTM.

Thanks for your patience,

Jon

Just… YES. Can’t say anything has re-assured me in this game as much as this simply post has. The fact that you came out an acknowledged some issues, well it’s a breath of fresh air to me. So for that Thank you Jon, take as much time as you need, the fact that you acknowledge the issues is all I ever ask. (cough cough, still waiting to hear about Lupi cough cough, but don’t take that with any negativity Jon, what you just did was strait awesome).

Yes I agree this is much much better then the wall of silence.

love it tbh

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Who woulda thunk it that taking the cap off condis and changing everything to stacking would be a bit much. At least it’s been acknowledged now and we won’t have to six months for balancing to take place, hopefully.

Linken.6345:

Jerus.4350:

JonPeters.5630:

Just getting these out there so we know we are all in agreement:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong
2) World bosses are currently too easy
3) There are some bugged skills and traits
4) There are some overpowered builds

We won’t fix it all at once but these are four large topics we are talking about. In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses. We are dedicating time towards these issues and are intending to resolve them as quickly as possible. As we have said before, the live environment differs too greatly from anything we can reliably simulate internally so big changes like today’s build will cause things to sometimes change at an alarming rateTM.

Thanks for your patience,

Jon

Just… YES. Can’t say anything has re-assured me in this game as much as this simply post has. The fact that you came out an acknowledged some issues, well it’s a breath of fresh air to me. So for that Thank you Jon, take as much time as you need, the fact that you acknowledge the issues is all I ever ask. (cough cough, still waiting to hear about Lupi cough cough, but don’t take that with any negativity Jon, what you just did was strait awesome).

Yes I agree this is much much better then the wall of silence.

I don’t want to derail from this post, but god kitten , I can’t emphasize enough at how much my view of ANet improved by this singular post. Just… amazing. THIS is what we want. An open development team, accepting the shortcomings, and knowing it’s priority. Even if it’s not a priority, it’s nice to know. “hey we know there’s an issue here, but it’s a tough one to crack, and we have a lot on our plate so it may take a while” would be just as amazing to me.

Again, Thanks Jon, sorry to slightly derail, but yeah, this openness is, just… ugh, so nice. Can’t help but think some of my buddies would still be around if we saw this more often.

Condi damage being a bit too strong is not a bad thing! Power was strong for 3 years before you finally brought Condi damage up!

How did you not know 8k burn ticks wasn’t already too strong? Everyone’s getting nuked in PvP, whether it be Power dmg or Condi dmg.

I just hope they don’t get tunnel vision on conditions. Right now, it feels literally pointless to have toughness. 3.1k toughness 20k hp as a Knights Necro, I still die in like 2-3 hits which happens so kitten fast. Necros are also “OP” because we can practically afk send people back THEIR massive dps, not our own.

So much for “we’re moving toward slower and more strategic gameplay,” this is anything but. :/

Afya.5842:

Unfortunately, Anet loves the no pve pvp split concept. Any change in pvp = change in pve.

Rightfully so – it’s pretty annoying when switching from wvw to pvp and everything is different. For thief it’s now 4 sec instead of 3 in pve revealed – and I can’t get used to that = I don’t play pvp.
And maybe it would also be annoying when pvp and wvw were merged wheras pve had a different mechanic.

Edit: Grammar

JonPeters.5630:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong Burning is way too strong compared to bleed, and bleed application is too weak on certain classes.

FTFY

JonPeters.5630:

Cheshire.8761:

Are you going to address how you forced characters to train into builds using their hero points without their consent? :o

Why not. Basically there were two options, both with a large number of edge cases.

1) We wipe your stuff and let you respec as you see fit. Because so much had changed this was our initial plan. Here are problems it ran into.

• People return from a long hiatus and don’t remember what they were running
• People log in and the first thing they have to do before they can play is learn both the new unlocking system and the new build system.

2) We look at what you had equipped and unlock the necessary skills and traits to re-equip you. Here were some discussions points around that:

• We might give you stuff you don’t want
• at least this won’t matter for lvl 80s if we make all the unlocks possible by just reaching lvl 80.

There is a third option which I’m sure you will bring up.
3) let players choose
Here are some reasons we did not go with that:

• Its twice the work
• Its actually more than twice the work because it would have required temporarily saving both options until you choose which is more complex technical work.
• People who were unlikely to understand or want to explore the new system were going to be potentially more confused by the choice.

At the end of the day we wanted to ship this build so we had to decide. Based on instinct we erred on the side of helping people we thought would be more overwhelmed by the opposite choice, and I would make that choice again because it has less edge cases, impacts more expert users, and leans towards over unlocking for free to benefit most of the edge cases anyway.

Hope this info helps you understand our process a bit more.

Thanks,

Jon

My god, Jon, I think I developed a mancrush. If you ever want to go on a mandate I’m down. Seriously, the way you composed this… kyaaa.

While I personally would have prefered the “let the players choose” method, I can’t argue with the logic behind your decision at all. So far I’ve been able to unlock EVERYTHING on each character I own. I may see some trouble in the future with HoT specializations, but I’m ok with working to get the points to do so. Really, god, Jon, if I could have had the feedback you’re giving throughout my gameplay here, well, I wouldn’t be so skeptical about everything ANet does. <3 you!

RIP Buffed conditions, didn’t even last.

Back to the berserker meta i guess….

SCREAM Why would you trait all eles to EARTH. ALL OF THEM. WHY?? I had no points in Earth, WHY? My ten other under level 80’s were all given stats that were appropriate but every ele, every last one, was given Earth. Every ele I ask got Earth too. WHY?

I’m not going to grind to 80 just so ‘everything is unlocked’ to fix your mistake, that’s bullkitten and you know it. I’m not going to do 60 hero challenges to fix your mistake, that is also bullkitten. Why, just why? I’m playing with a handicap now if I want to enjoy those toons instead of the boost every other toon on my account got.

ARGH.

Not to tell y’all how to test, but… I watched Golem Mark II. That’s where you see how this stuff works against a brick wall. 90 stacks of bleed? Slightly faster melt than usual. 40 stacks of burning? Dead in less than a minute.

Nerf burning (heck, just the stacks of guardian burn) and leave everything else. Watch as it all evens out. In PvE anyway, because that’s the only place condis needed a buff in the first place.

sweatycool.9624:

RIP Buffed conditions, didn’t even last.

Back to the berserker meta i guess….

Well atleast we have the memory we can say -Rememeber that day conditions were usefull
Then nod at eachother -yea I can

Actually the condi stuff isn’t so bad.

It’s the lack of balancing in consideration of the stats boost that is the problem.
Seriously, necro Lich form auto attack now is 7k against a light class with celestial amulet, it needed to be nerfed in accordance to the new stats.

Also, because of how that condi and power stuff favors heavy classes d/d elementalists will have only 1 viable build to bunker into just to survive. And why did you nerf d/d ele mobility?

Other things are really good, staff ele is much more viable in WvW.

Aerlen.5326:

SCREAM Why would you trait all eles to EARTH. ALL OF THEM. WHY?? I had no points in Earth, WHY? My ten other under level 80’s were all given stats that were appropriate but every ele, every last one, was given Earth. Every ele I ask got Earth too. WHY?

I’m not going to grind to 80 just so ‘everything is unlocked’ to fix your mistake, that’s bullkitten and you know it. I’m not going to do 60 hero challenges to fix your mistake, that is also bullkitten. Why, just why? I’m playing with a handicap now if I want to enjoy those toons instead of the boost every other toon on my account got.

ARGH.

Not true. My level 80 ele spawned this morning with Fire, Water and Arcane, which is exactly the three lines I intended on taking. I actually ended up only having to change about three traits within those lines and Luci was good to go.

Aerlen.5326:

I’m not going to grind to 80

Then don’t.

Aerlen.5326:

SCREAM Why would you trait all eles to EARTH. ALL OF THEM. WHY?? I had no points in Earth, WHY? My ten other under level 80’s were all given stats that were appropriate but every ele, every last one, was given Earth. Every ele I ask got Earth too. WHY?

I’m not going to grind to 80 just so ‘everything is unlocked’ to fix your mistake, that’s bullkitten and you know it. I’m not going to do 60 hero challenges to fix your mistake, that is also bullkitten. Why, just why? I’m playing with a handicap now if I want to enjoy those toons instead of the boost every other toon on my account got.

ARGH.

eh? Must have been a small sample. My elementalist who is 67 doesn’t have a single hero point in Earth. Pic attached.

Lucky you because everyone I spoke to under or at 30 has Earth =/ I wish I’d spawned with even Arcane or Fire.

My level 80 spawned with Air, Fire, and Earth but could unlock whatever she wanted. These two eles are now handicapped.. yay.. super yay.. yay.. thanks Anet.. yay.

JonPeters.5630:

Cheshire.8761:

Are you going to address how you forced characters to train into builds using their hero points without their consent? :o

Why not. Basically there were two options, both with a large number of edge cases.

1) We wipe your stuff and let you respec as you see fit. Because so much had changed this was our initial plan. Here are problems it ran into.

• People return from a long hiatus and don’t remember what they were running
• People log in and the first thing they have to do before they can play is learn both the new unlocking system and the new build system.

2) We look at what you had equipped and unlock the necessary skills and traits to re-equip you. Here were some discussions points around that:

• We might give you stuff you don’t want
• at least this won’t matter for lvl 80s if we make all the unlocks possible by just reaching lvl 80.

There is a third option which I’m sure you will bring up.
3) let players choose
Here are some reasons we did not go with that:

• Its twice the work
• Its actually more than twice the work because it would have required temporarily saving both options until you choose which is more complex technical work.
• People who were unlikely to understand or want to explore the new system were going to be potentially more confused by the choice.

At the end of the day we wanted to ship this build so we had to decide. Based on instinct we erred on the side of helping people we thought would be more overwhelmed by the opposite choice, and I would make that choice again because it has less edge cases, impacts more expert users, and leans towards over unlocking for free to benefit most of the edge cases anyway.

Hope this info helps you understand our process a bit more.

Thanks,

Jon

Does it break anything if you just add a “refund hero points” button? That way you can just let the game re-build your choices and if your not satisfied, just refund the points and assign them to what you need/want. Just a suggestion anyway =D

Xillllix.3485:

Actually the condi stuff isn’t so bad.

It’s the lack of balancing in consideration of the stats boost that is the problem.
Seriously, necro Lich form auto attack now is 7k against a light class with celestial amulet, it needed to be nerfed in accordance to the new stats.

Also, because of how that condi and power stuff favors heavy classes d/d elementalists will have only 1 viable build to bunker into just to survive. And why did you nerf d/d ele mobility?

Other things are really good, staff ele is much more viable in WvW.

Yeah sure, because Lich didn’t just eat another 5 second nerf so it is now only 15 seconds with 1 pulsing stack of stab which means most classes can CC / block / invuln /escape /hide to break LoS the complete Lich transformation without any major problems.

Mesmers and thieves pulling off insane bursts from stealth, mesmers stacking insane amounts of stealth, medi guards pulling off crazy bursts with huge burns, condis in general…

Glad Anet has its fingers on the meta’s pulse. Hoping for quick and frequent balance passes.

Shiki.7148:

Xillllix.3485:

Actually the condi stuff isn’t so bad.

It’s the lack of balancing in consideration of the stats boost that is the problem.
Seriously, necro Lich form auto attack now is 7k against a light class with celestial amulet, it needed to be nerfed in accordance to the new stats.

Also, because of how that condi and power stuff favors heavy classes d/d elementalists will have only 1 viable build to bunker into just to survive. And why did you nerf d/d ele mobility?

Other things are really good, staff ele is much more viable in WvW.

Yeah sure, because Lich didn’t just eat another 5 second nerf so it is now only 15 seconds with 1 pulsing stack of stab which means most classes can CC / block / invuln /escape /hide to break LoS the complete Lich transformation without any major problems.

They can buff your mobility and stability without having you 2-shot people with your auto-attack.

Lyrrados.4269:

Aerlen.5326:

SCREAM Why would you trait all eles to EARTH. ALL OF THEM. WHY?? I had no points in Earth, WHY? My ten other under level 80’s were all given stats that were appropriate but every ele, every last one, was given Earth. Every ele I ask got Earth too. WHY?

I’m not going to grind to 80 just so ‘everything is unlocked’ to fix your mistake, that’s bullkitten and you know it. I’m not going to do 60 hero challenges to fix your mistake, that is also bullkitten. Why, just why? I’m playing with a handicap now if I want to enjoy those toons instead of the boost every other toon on my account got.

ARGH.

eh? Must have been a small sample. My elementalist who is 67 doesn’t have a single hero point in Earth. Pic attached.

Would be funny if all this was that both his/her elementalists loged out attuned to earth and thats why he/she got it.

Aerlen.5326:

Lucky you because everyone I spoke to under or at 30 has Earth =/ I wish I’d spawned with even Arcane or Fire.

My level 80 spawned with Air, Fire, and Earth but could unlock whatever she wanted. These two eles are now handicapped.. yay.. super yay.. yay.. thanks Anet.. yay.

Your 80 is handicapped how? I would assume you unlock all core before you are able to go into elite specs.

Please, for a love of whatever of the GW God’s you choose…get a test server. It is just unacceptable to me personally to see an entire game get unbalanced and the community have to play the waiting game until things are corrected.

This happens, because as bright as the people balancing things are, they simply cannot predict what is going to happen in a mass environment with live players. Can run all the algorithms in the world and that won’t stop a few players from devising a way to totally ruin the game.

Also, I don’t think we should pin this on conditions being too strong. I think everything is too strong.

JonPeters.5630:

4) There are some overpowered builds

and some overpowered skills and abilities in PvE

hint: icebow 4

Anet, It seems your posting here a lot. So I will post this.

I just logged on to my warrior and berserker power trait does not work with longbow

so what you mean is, necro nerf again? because why not…