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Posted by: Thunderscape.3859

Thunderscape.3859

I made this post because i care.
I made this post because i am disappointed on the way the game is heading.
I made this post because it would be easy to solve 90% of the wining in the forums.

No really it is. Remember when the game come out? Sure there was constructive criticism,
but people were giving Anet a change to improve, because the game was FUN. It was not wining.
It was not bashing the game, it wasn’t hate. Just feedback, and lots of posts from happy costumers.

I have stop playing. I just lurk in the forums, trying to see some new cool feature added.
Why? Because the game, feels like a chore, its boring.

I love it when it came out, it was really really fun. Sure there were problems.
But you can overlook problems if its fun. Well it stopped being fun.

Here’s my take on what it should be done, in order to get that old feeling back.

Dailies:

It feels like a chore. It takes way to long. Sure i can ignore it, but there goes my laurels…
Just make it ONE task. Yes i know its easy and really fast. But what’s the point of log in,
do the dailies and get out? This was what i was doing before i left. Again, its boring.

I belive the point of the daily is to give a reason for someone to log in. With one task you still give
them reason, and after that they can actually “play the game” instead of getting burn out.

Ascended gear:

Yes this was a slap in the face to GW1 fans. Ascended should just have been really cool skins…
But that’s not the worst part.
That brings two problems:

-> First

Its really boring to get it.

For accessories you need to do FOTM, until exaustion.
For weapons, farm maths, then craft.

Boring.

-> Second

You just made the most Alt unfriendly game in existence to mankind.
Oh i know, there are more grindy games. But they don’t have time gated crafting, nor laurels per day.
And its still grindy.

How to solve it?

Let me get ascended weapon’s and accessories, and in the future ascended armor, by doing what i like.

Dungeons:
At the end of the dungeon i get tokens, and then i trade those tokens for gear and weapons.
Every 5 runs you get a weapon or a piece or gear.

Jumping puzzles and exploring the world:
For every map completion you also get tokens, or by doing jumping puzzles.

Events in the world:
After x amount of events completed, not failed, you get tokens.

WvsW:
By doing WvsW events and killing people.

And of course crafting, but not with time gated, or with increased craft level, that’s just boring.

Living story:

First the content you are producing is top notch. You deserve praise for it.
At least the content i could play. Because some of it i missed it…

And there’s the problem.

After one year, what is the new content you got? The Kraka zone, and FOTM.

Oh yeah sure, new path in an OLD dungeon. And a revamp of an OLD boss. (I think its ok, but not new)
The new stuff? almost all removed.

Removing good quality content from an MMO, is pure insanity. Please stop.

IF you change this, most of the complains will dissapear i guarantee it. And they are so easy to solve.

Also consider this few suggestions:

Add Guild vs Guild.
Add more dungeons.
Add more pvp maps.
Add more skills to the weapons (maybe 2 or 3 sets per weapon)
Add more weapons.
Add new classes and races.
Add new map zones.
Add new dynamic events.

Also before even thinking in Esports, removed downed state from Spvp.
Why?

You know that feeling, when you, or someone you are watching, completely owns 3 players at the same time
And emerges victorious with 10 hp? Well not in GW2… Those guys are gonna throw rocks at you
until you fall, die and ress them. And there goes any kind of rewarding skilled players.

This game got a lot of potential, don’t throw it out of the window…

From a GW1 fan, and a GW2 concerned player.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

Hooray Nice read, good suggestions.

Gandara – Vabbi – Ring of Fire – Fissure of Woe – Vabbi
SPvP as Standalone All is Vain

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Posted by: Justdeifyme.9387

Justdeifyme.9387

I don’t get the daylies complain. I can’t play much during the week and daylies take me around 10 minutes to finish, I don’t see the problem.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

I don’t get the daylies complain. I can’t play much during the week and daylies take me around 10 minutes to finish, I don’t see the problem.

It really isn’t about the duration, it’s about the fact that anet wants you to do things you don’t like. Games are ment for relaxation, not irritation.

Gandara – Vabbi – Ring of Fire – Fissure of Woe – Vabbi
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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

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Thunderscape.3859

Hooray Nice read, good suggestions.

Thanks

I don’t get the daylies complain. I can’t play much during the week and daylies take me around 10 minutes to finish, I don’t see the problem.

The time depends on the dailies available. And again, they don’t add much. Also its boring and redundant content.

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Posted by: Lexandro.1456

Lexandro.1456

I don’t get the daylies complain. I can’t play much during the week and daylies take me around 10 minutes to finish, I don’t see the problem.

Dont see the problem either. GW1 had a daily/weekly/monthly system too, people just like to ignore that fact when complaining about them in GW2. Fact is they are bloody easy to get, and 90% of the time I I have them done without even looking at the catagories.

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Posted by: Seven Star Stalker.1740

Seven Star Stalker.1740

Just FYI, MA and AR are going to become fractals. From what I heard, at least.

I ? Karkas.

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Posted by: Thunderscape.3859

Thunderscape.3859

I don’t get the daylies complain. I can’t play much during the week and daylies take me around 10 minutes to finish, I don’t see the problem.

Dont see the problem either. GW1 had a daily/weekly/monthly system too, people just like to ignore that fact when complaining about them in GW2. Fact is they are bloody easy to get, and 90% of the time I I have them done without even looking at the catagories.

Cause in GW1 you don’t feel obligated here you do. Laurels.

Just FYI, MA and AR are going to become fractals. From what I heard, at least.

Its better than nothing. But still not the best option once again.

I wanna do MA. Lets enter FOTM, and “hope” its one of the three.

Because, now the dungeons i wish to do are also RNG based.

Mind you, i don’t have anything against adding new dungeons from time to time to FOTM…

But id like to have a new dungeon outside of the initial ones and FOTM.
Its new stuff on old content.

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Posted by: Yargesh.4965

Yargesh.4965

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

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Posted by: Yargesh.4965

Yargesh.4965

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

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Posted by: TheDaiBish.9735

TheDaiBish.9735

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

Life is a journey.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.

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Eridani.8317

Also before even thinking in Esports, removed downed state from Spvp.
Why?

You know that feeling, when you, or someone you are watching, completely owns 3 players at the same time
And emerges victorious with 10 hp? Well not in GW2… Those guys are gonna throw rocks at you
until you fall, die and ress them. And there goes any kind of rewarding skilled players.

This. So much.

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

I take that as sarcasm and this is gonna escalate into a flame thread soon.And i did not start it :P.

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Posted by: TheDaiBish.9735

TheDaiBish.9735

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

I take that as sarcasm and this is gonna escalate into a flame thread soon.And i did not start it :P.

Yep, it is sarcasm.

Now, if you were to expand on your original comment, depending on the comment, it might actually be constructive.

Simply saying ‘I can do other things in 10 mins’ doesn’t say much, unless the point you were trying to make was you could get more rewarded / do something you enjoy for that 10 minutes than being lolforced to do stuff you don’t want.

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Thunderscape.3859

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

I take that as sarcasm and this is gonna escalate into a flame thread soon.And i did not start it :P.

Nooooes! mah Thread ;_;

Sthap

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

I take that as sarcasm and this is gonna escalate into a flame thread soon.And i did not start it :P.

Yep, it is sarcasm.

Now, if you were to expand on your original comment, depending on the comment, it might actually be constructive.

Simply saying ‘I can do other things in 10 mins’ doesn’t say much, unless the point you were trying to make was you could get more rewarded / do something you enjoy for that 10 minutes than being lolforced to do stuff you don’t want.

So you get to decide what kind of comments are constructive.And every single post must be constructive. I don’t see you grumble about people who post on forum saying its their birthday to be constructive.I post what i want whether it be constructive or not as long as its not too insulting ^^.

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Posted by: Coffee.7058

Coffee.7058

This game has NOTHING to do with gw I, so put aside those notions/nostalgia.

1 daily? Come on, if you don’t have time to finish a daily then you do not have a place in any game as dailies might take you an hour if you play with your feet.

I am not going to address your other inane suggestions as I want to save some lols for later hehe

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Posted by: TheDaiBish.9735

TheDaiBish.9735

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

I take that as sarcasm and this is gonna escalate into a flame thread soon.And i did not start it :P.

Nooooes! mah Thread ;_;

Sthap

Thundascap pls

On topic:

Dailies

I can’t say I have the same problem. More often than not, my daily gets done without looking at the requirements. Of course, this would vary from person to person, ranging from how they play to their mindset, but all in all, I think calling it a ‘chore’ is a bit out there.

Ascended

I don’t have any particularly strong feelings about these.

However, rings, amulets and accessories can be gotten through Laurels(and ecto’s for accessories), or Gold and Guild Commendations.

Backpacks and infusing are the only thing you need to do Fractals for.

As for weapons, I can see your PoV, so we’ll leave it at that.

In terms of alt-unfriendliness, I agree with you.

As for the rest, I’ll comment later.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

So ALL the complaints for ALL those months were legitimate. Does that include the complaints that there wasn’t enough vertical progression in the game, and that people didn’t have stuff to work for?

Just curious.

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Posted by: TheDaiBish.9735

TheDaiBish.9735

I can do a lot of other things in 10 minutes than dailies

Then do those things, really what is your complaint?

You don’t understand my point oh well, think harder…If you can

lol, wow.

Don’t you get it?

In that 10 minutes, he can post constructive comments such as these.

I take that as sarcasm and this is gonna escalate into a flame thread soon.And i did not start it :P.

Yep, it is sarcasm.

Now, if you were to expand on your original comment, depending on the comment, it might actually be constructive.

Simply saying ‘I can do other things in 10 mins’ doesn’t say much, unless the point you were trying to make was you could get more rewarded / do something you enjoy for that 10 minutes than being lolforced to do stuff you don’t want.

So you get to decide what kind of comments are constructive.And every single post must be constructive. I don’t see you grumble about people who post on forum saying its their birthday to be constructive.I post what i want whether it be constructive or not as long as its not too insulting ^^.

If you have a gripe, then yes, whatever you post should be constructive, and no, I don’t decide what posts are constructive. There’s a general understanding that any posts that detail an issue and why it’s an issue is constructive(other than this is a problem because I don’t like it).

Simply saying lol this sucks does nothing whatsoever for discussion.

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Posted by: Serophous.9085

Serophous.9085

All this stuff listed anet has already responded to. So when /if they happen, you can pat yourself on the back.

Also, people will always complain, dont garuntee anything.

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Posted by: Sylv.5324

Sylv.5324

I don’t get the daylies complain. I can’t play much during the week and daylies take me around 10 minutes to finish, I don’t see the problem.

It really isn’t about the duration, it’s about the fact that anet wants you to do things you don’t like. Games are ment for relaxation, not irritation.

You have around 20 options to pick from. o.O

Ardeth, Sylvari Mesmer
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Posted by: Thunderscape.3859

Thunderscape.3859

This game has NOTHING to do with gw I, so put aside those notions/nostalgia.

1 daily? Come on, if you don’t have time to finish a daily then you do not have a place in any game as dailies might take you an hour if you play with your feet.

I am not going to address your other inane suggestions as I want to save some lols for later hehe

The notion is just one. Its called Guild Wars 2. I don’t want a carbon copy of GW1 mind you. But at the very least i would expect guild wars in my Guild Wars 2.

Thundascap pls

On topic:

Dailies

I can’t say I have the same problem. More often than not, my daily gets done without looking at the requirements. Of course, this would vary from person to person, ranging from how they play to their mindset, but all in all, I think calling it a ‘chore’ is a bit out there.

Ascended

I don’t have any particularly strong feelings about these.

However, rings, amulets and accessories can be gotten through Laurels(and ecto’s for accessories), or Gold and Guild Commendations.

Backpacks and infusing are the only thing you need to do Fractals for.

As for weapons, I can see your PoV, so we’ll leave it at that.

In terms of alt-unfriendliness, I agree with you.

As for the rest, I’ll comment later.

Sure!

And yes… guild commendations. My small guild of friends is dead long ago thanks to that decision ;_;

So ALL the complaints for ALL those months were legitimate. Does that include the complaints that there wasn’t enough vertical progression in the game, and that people didn’t have stuff to work for?

Just curious.

Ah Vayne, sorry but you missed the point by a long margin there.

First:
The complaints are worse

Second:
The implementation of the ascended gear was not the worst part of it. It was HOW it was implemented. As i discribed in the ascended section.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

This game has NOTHING to do with gw I, so put aside those notions/nostalgia.

1 daily? Come on, if you don’t have time to finish a daily then you do not have a place in any game as dailies might take you an hour if you play with your feet.

I am not going to address your other inane suggestions as I want to save some lols for later hehe

The notion is just one. Its called Guild Wars 2. I don’t want a carbon copy of GW1 mind you. But at the very least i would expect guild wars in my Guild Wars 2.

Thundascap pls

On topic:

Dailies

I can’t say I have the same problem. More often than not, my daily gets done without looking at the requirements. Of course, this would vary from person to person, ranging from how they play to their mindset, but all in all, I think calling it a ‘chore’ is a bit out there.

Ascended

I don’t have any particularly strong feelings about these.

However, rings, amulets and accessories can be gotten through Laurels(and ecto’s for accessories), or Gold and Guild Commendations.

Backpacks and infusing are the only thing you need to do Fractals for.

As for weapons, I can see your PoV, so we’ll leave it at that.

In terms of alt-unfriendliness, I agree with you.

As for the rest, I’ll comment later.

Sure!

And yes… guild commendations. My small guild of friends is dead long ago thanks to that decision ;_;

So ALL the complaints for ALL those months were legitimate. Does that include the complaints that there wasn’t enough vertical progression in the game, and that people didn’t have stuff to work for?

Just curious.

Ah Vayne, sorry but you missed the point by a long margin there.

First:
The complaints are worse

Second:
The implementation of the ascended gear was not the worst part of it. It was HOW it was implemented. As i discribed in the ascended section.

I didn’t miss any points, I can assure you.

I’m saying that other people complained in the opposite direction to your complaints. Are their complaints legitimate or not?

You’re making it sound like the entire game’s population all shares one set of values. I assure you this isn’t the case.

It is you who missed my point.

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Posted by: Thunderscape.3859

Thunderscape.3859

I didn’t miss any points, I can assure you.

I’m saying that other people complained in the opposite direction to your complaints. Are their complaints legitimate or not?

You’re making it sound like the entire game’s population all shares one set of values. I assure you this isn’t the case.

It is you who missed my point.

I don’t mind that you defend the game with all your might. But use logic.

Were the complaints valid? Yes.
Does that invalidate anything of what i said? No.

I gave a much more diversed, and fun way to get gear. Where is your opinion on that? Those complaints were solved. And i did not say the best course of action is to remove ascended. So i don’t know why you are talking about old complains that were attended to…

Also no, i did not make the “entire game’s population all shares one set of values”. Do you see that in the title? imo -> In my opinion.

Vayne please…. we all know, if by some bizarre mistake of programming Anet opened a portal to another dimension and killer aliens come out of it to end mankind…

You would say: “But guys its innovative! No other company as done this. We should all be proud that we have new things to do, like run for our lives and scream in fear. I find it quite enjoyable! I know that GW1 didn’t have a inter-dimensional-portal with killer aliens, buts a its a new era! We gotta keep up with the times. So stop hating!”

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I didn’t miss any points, I can assure you.

I’m saying that other people complained in the opposite direction to your complaints. Are their complaints legitimate or not?

You’re making it sound like the entire game’s population all shares one set of values. I assure you this isn’t the case.

It is you who missed my point.

I don’t mind that you defend the game with all your might. But use logic.

Were the complaints valid? Yes.
Does that invalidate anything of what i said? No.

I gave a much more diversed, and fun way to get gear. Where is your opinion on that? Those complaints were solved. And i did not say the best course of action is to remove ascended. So i don’t know why you are talking about old complains that were attended to…

Also no, i did not make the “entire game’s population all shares one set of values”. Do you see that in the title? imo -> In my opinion.

Vayne please…. we all know, if by some bizarre mistake of programming Anet opened a portal to another dimension and killer aliens come out of it to end mankind…

You would say: “But guys its innovative! No other company as done this. We should all be proud that we have new things to do, like run for our lives and scream in fear. I find it quite enjoyable! I know that GW1 didn’t have a inter-dimensional-portal with killer aliens, buts a its a new era! We gotta keep up with the times. So stop hating!”

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I didn’t miss any points, I can assure you.

I’m saying that other people complained in the opposite direction to your complaints. Are their complaints legitimate or not?

You’re making it sound like the entire game’s population all shares one set of values. I assure you this isn’t the case.

It is you who missed my point.

I don’t mind that you defend the game with all your might. But use logic.

Were the complaints valid? Yes.
Does that invalidate anything of what i said? No.

I gave a much more diversed, and fun way to get gear. Where is your opinion on that? Those complaints were solved. And i did not say the best course of action is to remove ascended. So i don’t know why you are talking about old complains that were attended to…

Also no, i did not make the “entire game’s population all shares one set of values”. Do you see that in the title? imo -> In my opinion.

Vayne please…. we all know, if by some bizarre mistake of programming Anet opened a portal to another dimension and killer aliens come out of it to end mankind…

You would say: “But guys its innovative! No other company as done this. We should all be proud that we have new things to do, like run for our lives and scream in fear. I find it quite enjoyable! I know that GW1 didn’t have a inter-dimensional-portal with killer aliens, buts a its a new era! We gotta keep up with the times. So stop hating!”

You keep saying the complaints were valid. Which ones? The ones that agree with you or the ones that contradict you. You’re making it sound like the people who wrote stuff similar to you had valid complaints. I’m saying there were also complaints that had different even opposite opinions from some of theirs. I’m asking a simple question. Were those opposing complaints valid?

You have no idea what I’d say because it’s 100% clear to me you don’t get me at all. However, after refusing to answer my actual question more than once, I’m pretty sure that most people reading now get you.

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Posted by: Red Falcon.8257

Red Falcon.8257

I see pretty much everyone agrees that temporary content is bad, and everyone asks for new stuff instead.
So what does it take more than a wide majority yelling their voices out to make Anet understand Temporary Content was not a good idea?

I mean Anet you don’t need to act like you’re beyond mistakes.
You are not, and everybody knows.
If you make one, and it is pointed out, don’t continue to do the same mistake.

That’s my 2 cents

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Posted by: Thunderscape.3859

Thunderscape.3859

I don’t mind that you defend the game with all your might. But use logic.

Were the complaints valid? Yes.
Does that invalidate anything of what i said? No.

I gave a much more diversed, and fun way to get gear. Where is your opinion on that? Those complaints were solved. And i did not say the best course of action is to remove ascended. So i don’t know why you are talking about old complains that were attended to…

Also no, i did not make the “entire game’s population all shares one set of values”. Do you see that in the title? imo -> In my opinion.

Vayne please…. we all know, if by some bizarre mistake of programming Anet opened a portal to another dimension and killer aliens come out of it to end mankind…

You would say: “But guys its innovative! No other company as done this. We should all be proud that we have new things to do, like run for our lives and scream in fear. I find it quite enjoyable! I know that GW1 didn’t have a inter-dimensional-portal with killer aliens, buts a its a new era! We gotta keep up with the times. So stop hating!”

You keep saying the complaints were valid. Which ones? The ones that agree with you or the ones that contradict you. You’re making it sound like the people who wrote stuff similar to you had valid complaints. I’m saying there were also complaints that had different even opposite opinions from some of theirs. I’m asking a simple question. Were those opposing complaints valid?

You have no idea what I’d say because it’s 100% clear to me you don’t get me at all. However, after refusing to answer my actual question more than once, I’m pretty sure that most people reading now get you.

Both are valid.

Please explain how they contradict with one another, in any way shape or form.

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Posted by: Xae Isareth.1364

Xae Isareth.1364

Personally, I like dailies, simply because it makes me feel like I’m accomplishing something. I know it sounds very vain but for whatever reason I enjoy seeing things ticked off a box in MMOs. I see your point though, there should be other ways to get laurels (tgere’s achievements but that’s rather slow).

I actually like Ascended stuff overall. The weapons gives you just about enough stats to make you feel stronger using them but not enough to power creep the game or let you stomp over people in WvW. They’re not needed for any content nor you need them to be competitive in WvW (which was never balanced to start with).

Like Vayne said, they were introduced for people who want stuff to meaningfully work towards but not hardcore enough to get Legendaries. Sure, people say progression addicts like me should get put of their game but then Anet would be losing a huge portion of the MMO market consisting of progression addicts.

I quite like they they were implemented. Your argument that it forces you to do some things is valid, but if you flip the coin around, if there’s no incentive to do something in a MMO, no one does it.

For example, I love the Tequatl battle, but with its terrible rewards, I don’t bother with it. It was the same with pretty much all JPs and a ton of world bosses, no one ever turned up to them. It’s the same story with Temples, everything was always constantly contested until the Asc update.

So if you just let people get Ascended stuff doing whatever they want, all that stuff goes back to being dead content and people complain there’s nothing to do on the game because everyone is just grinding the route of least resistance.

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Posted by: CreativeAnarchy.6324

CreativeAnarchy.6324

I like dailies.

I don’t mind ascended and getting it by crafting. I much prefer to just be able to make the stuff I want.

Don’t care about living story. Sometimes I do some of it, sometimes I skip it. It doesn’t really matter.

If you don’t like any of this stuff, go do something else and ignore what you don’t care to play.

I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

I see pretty much everyone agrees that temporary content is bad, and everyone asks for new stuff instead.
So what does it take more than a wide majority yelling their voices out to make Anet understand Temporary Content was not a good idea?

I mean Anet you don’t need to act like you’re beyond mistakes.
You are not, and everybody knows.
If you make one, and it is pointed out, don’t continue to do the same mistake.

That’s my 2 cents

Best advice I heard for the developers, cause I can’t see any other reason why they are not adressing these pleas and frustrated calls.

Gandara – Vabbi – Ring of Fire – Fissure of Woe – Vabbi
SPvP as Standalone All is Vain

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Posted by: cherrie.8907

cherrie.8907

I agree with a lot of what you’ve posted.

Dailies:
Dailies are not bad per se, they are an incentive to get players to log into game. It’s understandable they are there.
However, they are very obtrusive: they should not interfere at all with what players feel like doing (maybe with exception of Living World dailies), so there should be do “Ascalon Events” or “Shiverpeak killer” etc; just stuff you can complete at any place you decided to play.
They are also an annoying time gating mechanism, which brings us to…

Ascended stuff / Alting
One of the reasons I left one year ago and why I might drop out now after a few weeks back in game.
I will never, ever understand why devs decide to go for alt-unfriendly approach: everyone I know and their mother has alts, alts make new goals for players and alting should be encouraged as it’s the absolutely best way to keep players in game. Even players who have a very strong main do plat other chars from time to time, I would be hard-pressed to find a single person I know or knew who has one character exclusively.
Ascended, among other things, absolutely kills alting. You can’t go more wrong that this.

“Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games.”
-Mike Obrien
“We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills” -Colin Johanson

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Posted by: Przemek.6835

Przemek.6835

Horrible suggestions 0/10, except downstate removal.

Remove downstate please. It is pointless, annoying and not fun.

If you don’t want to do dailies, don’t do them.

If you don’t want to min-max your gear don’t work for ascended items. The skins that I like are pretty easy to get. After I buy them off trading post for 10 silver total there would be nothing more to do. Leave small and slow vertical progression for the ones that enjoy it.

Don’t act like everyone is like you. When I log in I know what I feel like doing and I just do it. I don’t care about anything else and you too shouldn’t because we all play for fun.

And the most important point, don’t act like it is all easy to implement. You can’t just say blah blah add more dungeons skills events. It takes time.

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Posted by: Lexandro.1456

Lexandro.1456

I see pretty much everyone agrees that temporary content is bad, and everyone asks for new stuff instead.
So what does it take more than a wide majority yelling their voices out to make Anet understand Temporary Content was not a good idea?

I mean Anet you don’t need to act like you’re beyond mistakes.
You are not, and everybody knows.
If you make one, and it is pointed out, don’t continue to do the same mistake.

That’s my 2 cents

Temporaty content is fine as long as its fun. Temporary content thats boring as hell is the problem though. And lets not forget that some of what people class as temp content is actually event content that will come back around, such as wintersday events, halloween events etc. All of which were part and parcel of GW1 and proven to be good at retaining players.

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Posted by: digiowl.9620

digiowl.9620

Quite a bit of the issue, i think, is that they left COF1 alone for too long, and it trashed the economy. This exasperated that not all stat combos are available via ones preferred “sub-game” (not helping that zerker, THE set for running COF1, was also a COF token set), as it becomes impossible to do what one want to do while also building up the savings to buy the set one is after.

As for “X offers tokens”, i suspect that this was what karma was to be about in a sense. Except that the end karma offers, temple armor, are less straight forward to deal with than dungeon armor for build crafting. they are a mix of stat combos, rather than allowing the buyer to pick like they can with dungeon armor.

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Posted by: Xae Isareth.1364

Xae Isareth.1364

I don’t see why Ascended stuff kills alts. There’s a reason why you got mains and alts.

You don’t need Ascended gear to do anything in PvE or be competitive in WvW, and sPvP has equal gear anyways, so you can play alts just fine. it just gives people more stuff to achieve and takes half the game out if the dead content dustbin.

The only problem is if you must have BiS gear to have fun.

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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

You don’t need Ascended gear to do anything in PvE or be competitive in WvW,

This is false. Ascended Armor is coming. In all, the small stat increases that each piece of Ascended gear give add up. If you don’t realize this now you’ll regret later having to grind for Ascended weapons AND Armor at the same time.

Of course, WvW may not survive all this vertical progression anyway, so perhaps you’re in a way correct.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

You don’t need Ascended gear to do anything in PvE or be competitive in WvW,

This is false. Ascended Armor is coming. In all, the small stat increases that each piece of Ascended gear give add up. If you don’t realize this now you’ll regret later having to grind for Ascended weapons AND Armor at the same time.

Of course, WvW may not survive all this vertical progression anyway, so perhaps you’re in a way correct.

As a matter of fact, constituting this player’s point, full ascended gear gives a 13% stat boost compared to full exotic gear, which is a huge difference, and very very very significant for WvW. Basically it means that if Anet doesn’t do something about this (and the skill lagg and the blobbing), they’ll loose a maior part of the PvP community to other games that have a better competitive system.

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Posted by: digiowl.9620

digiowl.9620

Going from rare to exotic is a 20% jump.

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Posted by: CuRtoKy.8576

CuRtoKy.8576

I disagree with this assessment

Dailies:

Yes they can be a chore but for the most part they are really easy and you can easily complete them in the course of your gameplay (WvW, sPvP, or PvE). Sure ascended crafting is time gated but that doesn’t mean it is the worst. You could buy ascended materials to make your ascended weapon. All the other stuff aren’t timegated so you can craft the weapon in a day if you have the money. The thing is as you are playing the game money should come easily to you and you will have enough to craft one out right without waiting to craft timegated materials.

Just because someone doesn’t want to throw money and acquire these materials doesn’t make it the most alt unfriendly game. As I’m sure when ascended jewel crafting comes out you will be able to make trinkets.

As for making ascended items easier to acquire I strongly disagree. Think about the old exotic tier. It was EXTREMELY easy to get. As a result it devalues low rarity items. I mean many patches ago fines and masterwork were just npc food. And rares if it wasn’t for ecto they would be worthless too (case: when you couldn’t salvage rare back pieces). Like if ascended items could be aquired easily then exotics would have less value since people can just skip a tier and go straight ascended from the get go.

Sure ascended has more stat but the difference between exotic and ascended is smaller than the difference between exotic and rare. And it was stated at some point that exotic was suppose to be hard to aquire like ascended. Image that since it will be much worse for players since the stat difference is much bigger.

Living Story:

Lets see what was removed. Molten Facility (which might come back as a fractal so they are most likely reworking mechanics and length). SAB but it might stay once all 4 worlds are out. Bazaar map. Aetherblade Retreat (which is under the same treatment as the molten facility). Queen’s Pavilion. Other than that there has been some major non temporary changes and content along with the fact that the most recent patch along with the upcoming one will not be temporary stuff.

Complaints will appear because people play in different ways and I think the key is not MORE content but BETTER content. If ArenaNet releases 5 maps in one update that may sound good but if it has nothing to do then people will complain and nobody will be there. Now if ArenaNet releases 1 really really good map (with good dynamic events, world boss fights, story, etc.) then it will more of an impact and people will likely want to do it for a prolonged period of time. The key is that it is not quantity but quality that people want. So making a new TA path is new content and it is better because they are making an existing dungeon better. I’m sure they are working on new stuff like that new fractal in the background at the same time.

So I’m sure ArenaNet could release Guild Halls, GvG, and so on right now. But the thing is they want to make it really good. Image if GvG came out really fast. Who would play it? Only people that are fans of GvG. However, it may not encourage other people to participate because it doesn’t have something that will appeal to other people outside of diehard fans of GvG. Worse it can be a really bad game mode. Case: League of Legends 3v3 map Twisted Treeline. Riot Games wanted to push something out fast but it turned out to be a complete failure. If anyone played the game since beta they would know how bad that mode was for a very long tme. Nobody wants GvG or any new conten to be like that. ArenaNet knows this so as hard as it is to not have it NOW I believe that it is worth the wait.

What people want is this:

Better content.
Better story telling mechanics.
Better way to understand and connect old living story.
Better dungeons.
Better pvp maps.
Professions have access to more weapons (Eles and Engis have access to only a few weapon types)

Remember Southsun was new but new but it wasn’t a place people want to go to. We want better stuff not neccessary new stuff.

As for sPvP down state isn’t a problem. The problem from a spectator watching the game it is hard to follow everything and it is soo quick that some times it is hard for shoutcasters to say what is going on or there isn’t much to say. What is needed is like a medium sized map with different objective types, secondary objectives that you have to capture in order to activate its benefits. Make it so that there is more space and time between stuff so that strategy plays a big role, people can see movements, small fights, new roles have a purpose. This gives an opportunity for everyone to absorb the information and really see dynamically how the game is progressing. The current small maps are hard to follow because everything happens really fast.

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Posted by: CuRtoKy.8576

CuRtoKy.8576

You don’t need Ascended gear to do anything in PvE or be competitive in WvW,

This is false. Ascended Armor is coming. In all, the small stat increases that each piece of Ascended gear give add up. If you don’t realize this now you’ll regret later having to grind for Ascended weapons AND Armor at the same time.

Of course, WvW may not survive all this vertical progression anyway, so perhaps you’re in a way correct.

As a matter of fact, constituting this player’s point, full ascended gear gives a 13% stat boost compared to full exotic gear, which is a huge difference, and very very very significant for WvW. Basically it means that if Anet doesn’t do something about this (and the skill lagg and the blobbing), they’ll loose a maior part of the PvP community to other games that have a better competitive system.

WoW pvp anyone? But serioiusly they had the idea of making exotics as hard to get as ascended. If you look at the difference between rare and exotic it could have been much worse. As for WvW it makes a bit but not as much. I mean to be honest if a server has 3 stack of bloodlust does that mean auto lose for the opposing server? Not really. Does having full upgrades on the first two guard lines mean that you will lose to them in a fight? No because I have killed many people with full buffs in small 2v2 3v3 engagements playing on a top tier server in NA. It helps but it doesn’t make a HUGE signifcant impact that everyone is trying to make it seem.

As for skill lag it isn’t something that can be fixed overnight since the server has to calculate a bunch of things in a short period of time. That requires a signifcant amount of computing power. Even if they add more servers it doesn’t mean they communicate with each other in an effective fashion.

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Posted by: Serophous.9085

Serophous.9085

You don’t need Ascended gear to do anything in PvE or be competitive in WvW,

This is false. Ascended Armor is coming. In all, the small stat increases that each piece of Ascended gear give add up. If you don’t realize this now you’ll regret later having to grind for Ascended weapons AND Armor at the same time.

Of course, WvW may not survive all this vertical progression anyway, so perhaps you’re in a way correct.

As a matter of fact, constituting this player’s point, full ascended gear gives a 13% stat boost compared to full exotic gear, which is a huge difference, and very very very significant for WvW. Basically it means that if Anet doesn’t do something about this (and the skill lagg and the blobbing), they’ll loose a maior part of the PvP community to other games that have a better competitive system.

Stop asking for balance in wvw. Wvw will never be balanced, and shall never be balanced. They stated that many times. Their pvp balacing stems from spvp.

And if you say ‘spvp doesnt let me customize my stats more’ well no crap, THATS DONE TO KEEP BALANCE.

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Posted by: Skan.5301

Skan.5301

Basically it means that if Anet doesn’t do something about this (and the skill lagg and the blobbing), they’ll loose a maior part of the PvP community to other games that have a better competitive system.

PvP isn’t their focus. PvE and the LS makes them the most revenue and that’s where most of their resources go to.

Face it. sPvP is an afterthought, generally ignored, and WvW is just there to satisfy the need of modern MMOs to have a large scale PvP mode.

“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

Ok point by point

Dailies: You do not have to do them if you do not want to. And even if you do not aim to do them you still get them done by just simply playing the game. Your coming off as if you want to be given free things just by logging in a lot of Xbox AP that you get from just buying a game and watching a CS.

Ascended gear: Is a lot like the hard to get skills from GW1 things that take time and work to get. At the same time they do not effect most of the game play. You do not need this gear much like your Dailies you feel as if you MUST do every thing all the time but that is your own feeling and only your own. Anet is not making you do any thing that you do not want to but i have a feeling you DO want to get this gear and do your dailies your just complaining about them. If you truly did not want to do them then you would not even be posting here.

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Posted by: Knote.2904

Knote.2904

If you could save up 3-7 dailies and knock them out altogether I would have 0 issues with dailies.

Rift did it right.

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Posted by: Thunderscape.3859

Thunderscape.3859

For those that like the daily:

I feel obligated to do it, beacause of the laurel. You might like it. I don’t. At least remove the laurel reward. OR this:

If you could save up 3-7 dailies and knock them out altogether I would have 0 issues with dailies.

Rift did it right.

For those that say, you don’t need Ascended Gear:

PVE:
I did some dungeons on green and blue items when the game launched. Its possible. But when there is a gear threadmill if you are a dedicated player, the most likely scenario is “i want that to increase my DPS/healing and be more effective”
Same with racing games, do you really need the best car with the best upgrades? Probably not, but you still want it.

PVP:
And for WvW is essential, if you want to dedicate yourself to it. its above 10% increase. Its PvP. Those > 10% WILL matter.

Mind you, i don’t want free gear (five runs for a piece of gear would still require several dungeon runs). Although i don’t like gear threadmills im not saying to remove it. Just asking to make that climb fun. Cause i have no desire whatsoever to do it. Terribly implemented.

For those saying Spvp is an after thought:

Then why does Anet keep talking about Esports, Esports, Esports?

As for sPvP down state isn’t a problem. The problem from a spectator watching the game it is hard to follow everything and it is soo quick that some times it is hard for shoutcasters to say what is going on or there isn’t much to say. What is needed is like a medium sized map with different objective types, secondary objectives that you have to capture in order to activate its benefits. Make it so that there is more space and time between stuff so that strategy plays a big role, people can see movements, small fights, new roles have a purpose. This gives an opportunity for everyone to absorb the information and really see dynamically how the game is progressing. The current small maps are hard to follow because everything happens really fast.

Still disagree on downed state, it is a problem. Anet often talks about LoL or Dota. Those games like it or not, reward skill. Its impossible with downed state to reward skill. Aside from that, those are some good points.

And for those saying, “don’t act like it is all easy to implement”.

If it isn’t then don’t throw new content in the garbage after two weeks.
Some of the stuff im asking i know its hard. But those first three complains. Are easy to solve.

Btw, this is all my personal take. Therefore the “imo” in the title

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I don’t mind that you defend the game with all your might. But use logic.

Were the complaints valid? Yes.
Does that invalidate anything of what i said? No.

I gave a much more diversed, and fun way to get gear. Where is your opinion on that? Those complaints were solved. And i did not say the best course of action is to remove ascended. So i don’t know why you are talking about old complains that were attended to…

Also no, i did not make the “entire game’s population all shares one set of values”. Do you see that in the title? imo -> In my opinion.

Vayne please…. we all know, if by some bizarre mistake of programming Anet opened a portal to another dimension and killer aliens come out of it to end mankind…

You would say: “But guys its innovative! No other company as done this. We should all be proud that we have new things to do, like run for our lives and scream in fear. I find it quite enjoyable! I know that GW1 didn’t have a inter-dimensional-portal with killer aliens, buts a its a new era! We gotta keep up with the times. So stop hating!”

You keep saying the complaints were valid. Which ones? The ones that agree with you or the ones that contradict you. You’re making it sound like the people who wrote stuff similar to you had valid complaints. I’m saying there were also complaints that had different even opposite opinions from some of theirs. I’m asking a simple question. Were those opposing complaints valid?

You have no idea what I’d say because it’s 100% clear to me you don’t get me at all. However, after refusing to answer my actual question more than once, I’m pretty sure that most people reading now get you.

Both are valid.

Please explain how they contradict with one another, in any way shape or form.

I’m sorry you’ll have to go back and read my posts if you don’t understand. My point has been made to people who do understand. Have a good one.