Guild Wars 2

Nhalx.9735:

Foremostly, it’s definitly accessible to everything. (Mystic Forge)

Secondly, what do we even know about the actual materials required to craft it? (Nothing?)

Thirdly, ‘’able to acquire Ascended Rings in the Fractals of the Mists dungeon, and Ascended items worn on the back can be acquired through special Mystic Forge recipes.’’ Where does it state you need armor? Stop posting propagandious misleading wall of text.

Last i checked you couln’t GET ring and backpacks from freaking dungeons.

1.) You’re gonna trust anet to make an item like this easily accessible? Take a look at the mad king stuff. =/
2.) Probably the new resource node + a few lodestones (charged here we go 3g+ a piece!) or ectos (30s a piece! /sarcasm)
3.) The third is an extrapolation from the statement that “This is only the beginning”, “There will INITIALLY be only a few ascended items” (thereby implying that after a certain period, more ascended items will be introduced, thereby it’s not implausible to imagine ascended armors/weapons/jewelries/etc)

You guys are forgetting something quite important here. If you bothered to check at least the items in game, you will see that the exotics are merely 6 points above rares. (see: http://www.gw2db.com/recipes/8192-opal-orichalcum-ring and http://www.gw2db.com/recipes/8185-opal-mithril-ring) And clearly, we all know how much more effective exotics are. With that mindset, the “mere” +5 extra stat is not “mere” anymore. Ofc, discrepancies and ranges will increase with other items. But that’s exactly the point. Individually, it might not seem much. Adding an extra +5 toughness to a 2900 (to make 2905) indeed is not really much. But if you add all those little “extras”, the difference can be quite noticeable.

I think having better gear (or rendering exotics so last season) is only half of the complaint. If we can consider the transition from Blue to Greens, then Greens to Yellows, then Yellows to Orange, as a gear grind (mind you with relatively small increments), the longer you stretch the grind, the more it adds up at the end. And effectively, what you have is another tier of gear grind, a very distinct and unique promise gw2 claims to not take part of.

I agree we certainly need more information. But if they did this on purpose (to get more publicity, because hey, bad publicity is good publicity) only to give an explanation that somehow sorta-makes-sense (or an explanation what would quell the masses), I would spit in their general direction for this distasteful method of getting hype.

Valtameri.2075:

Stat only to be used on DEEPEST levels of the new ‘infinite’ dungeon.
People exaggerates this new stat so much…

People see it exactly for what it is: a new tier of gear that you HAVE to have to do the new end-game content.

/cry

showatt.9413:

The problem is not stat of the games.

When the level cap is raised, you can bet the level 85 gears are going to be better than lvl 80s.

The problem is with the content.

Do we need this new tier of gear to access the dungeon or not?
If a certain part is restricted to those with the ascended gear, that means its a mechanic that forces you to grind. This is bad design, bad employment of gear progression used by all other traditional MMO.

If this is coming to Gw2, and all future dungeons will be created this way, with a certain part limited to people with certain gear, then you might as well go play another MMO.

Agony is a mechanic that comes into play as you repeatedly complete dungeon runs (these are also randomised) and it artificially scales the difficulty accordingly, also granting you better rewards.

So it doesn’t gate content, it’s a soft-cap really, and this cap will raise each time new gear is shipped by Anet.

It’s a great idea and for some reason it’s blowing peoples’ minds.

No thanks to increased stats on a new tier of gear.

I dont post often on forums, but in this case I felt I had to add my no vote.

Add infusion slots to all current equipment instead, and make the item to go in there the only rewards (outside of new looks) from the new end-game dungeons. Also make sure that the infusion bonuses arent applicable outside of the relevant dungeons.

If stats on ascended gear is even 1 point better then exotics and applied outside said dungeon(s), it will become a sort of de facto necessity for anyone who wants to participate in competitive/serious WvWvW, and that is not a very good move.

Final disclaimer though: It hasnt been mentioned, to the best of my knowledge, if these items stats will be downscaled to exotic level or not. Before I know that my no vote remains, but only as a cursory no vote. If the stats will in fact be downscaled to exotic level outside of the dungeon, I no longer have a problem with ascended gear and their improved stats.

hell no

btw ANet: false advertising is in many countries illegal. that teh game do NOT have a gear treadmill was one of the biggest sell-points. gonna check this up asap.

Also a kitten in the face to those insane lies in that blog-post: do not even think about mixing GW1 into this.

Nay to the Incarnate System. Er, I mean Ascended Gear. Nay. Oh, and by the way, pink?

“This is just the beginning.”

Heh, yeah. That’s what a lot of us are afraid of.

Yareon.2835:

Narkosys.5173:

I cant wait for this now. I will use this to my advantage in PvP to kick butt and all those who dont have the time will be left behind.
Exit the grind for looks enter the grind for power. About time Anet however my old guildies still arent coming back.

Anet explicitly stated in their manifesto that the only grind would be for looks and not for end game stats. Now they’re breking that promise.

+1

Look.... The new gear is maybe 1 or 2 points better than the current exotic level, if yoyu check carefully the items are exotic stats with exotic upgrades already applied. the infusion will not give stat upgrades it is to counteract the agony that prevents you from delving deeper into the dungeon. So please stop all this raging everyone

For all of those who are saying that “agony” which is obviously a rip off of dread from LoTRO isnt a big deal now, well, LoTRO players didnt think so at first either. Please dont excuse anet for this, content gating is more than the one time mission that players had to fulfill in gw1. What is going to happen, is that this gating will pervent players from getting ultra deep into the new dungeon until more ascended armor pieces are released.

Spryt.8012:

Even a small increase in stats will make older content gated.

That’s not correct. People do the old content in rares all the time.

1.) Acended ring kill jewelry crafting.
2.) It is not “just” one ring or one backslot. It’s a beginning of new Tier gears.
3.) Agony/Infusion mechanic means — if your equipment sux (you do not have enough acended gears), then you are not allowed to do those new dungeons.
4.) It forces you to grind if you want better gears for WvW or if you want to be qualified for the harder dungeons.
5.) Old contents/gears become less useful or even become completely useless.
6.) All these mean whenever Anet pushes a new future, you’ll need to grind new Tier gears again and again.

naka.8457:

hell no

btw ANet: false advertising is in many countries illegal. that teh game do NOT have a gear treadmill was one of the biggest sell-points. gonna check this up asap.

Also a kitten in the face to those insane lies in that blog-post: do not even think about mixing GW1 into this.

Really? You said this really? Oh dear…. All games evolve overtime and at the POS it was as advertised. This requirement they fullfilled so there is no problem here on that basis.

NO for ascended items/gear.

New content, yes. But I must stress the following point; NO TO HIGHER TIER GEAR. What the hell Arenanet, you told us you wouldn’t do this. No I’m not kittening excited, I’m annoyed, you kitten us over once again. And we all know what kitten really means.

Poll here :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Poll-Ascended-Items-Vote-now/page/2#post711394

Jezath.7395:

Look…. The new gear is maybe 1 or 2 points better than the current exotic level, if yoyu check carefully the items are exotic stats with exotic upgrades already applied. the infusion will not give stat upgrades it is to counteract the agony that prevents you from delving deeper into the dungeon. So please stop all this raging everyone

+1 This needs to be stickied and so much of this forum rage will go away.

You can augment your current gear and you will have better stats than the Ascended gear.

illgot.1056:

fellyn.5083:

Narkosys.5173:

The simple fact people are upset tells you that this is a big deal and trying to belittle that tells me the kind of people some are. Frankly when the state of the game is at stake let people have their say right or wrong let them be heard. That is what this is about.

Yes but people haven’t even tried it. The simple fact is no one besides Anet knows how it’s going to work exactly, at this point. People only have very inaccurate assumption to base their complaints on right now.

You are right, no other game has introduced a new tier of gear with greater stats before.

No other successful PvP game has done this through a gear treadmill.

This is a PvP game, kitten off go to WoW stop kittening with every MMO that has been released in the last 8 years you carebear kittens.

Think of it this way its not so much rages at the game it self but at how ppl think other ppl will react to not having the best. They feel that if they do not have the best gear then they are lesser then others by having higher level of gear they MUST get it to keep playing the game in there own minds. These are the same ppl who need to get every achievement and every other thing that can be got.

Simply put its a mix of fear of the unknown (something new) and the fear of the reaction of others to the unknown. I say enjoy the game and play it the way you want.

The question we havent got an answer to, and that people just seem to make assumptions about, is that if the dungeon after fractal mist will need ascended gear even on the first runs or if they will be tuned to exotic levels.

I think all new dungeons will have entry level runs tuned to exotic, then gimmicky infusions is needed for further progress runs. that will solve the “thread mill” (straw man of the week!) no-one will be locked out of new content or rewards regardless of armour quality.

No, I hate the new ascended items.

Haya jii san.1978:

Poll here :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Poll-Ascended-Items-Vote-now/page/2#post711394

Sorry hate to tell you this but you won’t get a very accurate poll like this.

One reason being only 1-5% of people who play games also visit the forums. You’re missing out on 95% of the player population.

Another reason, people who are for this change are in game and farming Orr! So they also won’t come to the forums!

And these polls are very easily manipulated.

But hey, ill vote anyways!

I feel like someone I loved just told me it was all a lie.. I was mad for a minute, but now just.. sad.. wanting it to not be true..

Read all the articles, re-read Lindsey’s post a few times; as it stands, nay. Awaiting release for confirmation.

Yes for new content.

A very big NAY for the ascended items!

The agony system should like it is going to be, Lotro’s Radiance all over again.

NO for gear progression
yes for new fun content

Ordin.9047:

For all of those who are saying that “agony” which is obviously a rip off of dread from LoTRO isnt a big deal now, well, LoTRO players didnt think so at first either. Please dont excuse anet for this, content gating is more than the one time mission that players had to fulfill in gw1. What is going to happen, is that this gating will pervent players from getting ultra deep into the new dungeon until more ascended armor pieces are released.

No not at all – it increases the difficulty of subsequent repeated runs of the dungeon. All content is available, it just gets harder as you repeat it.

Not to mention the boat-load of possible ‘dungeons’ you get with its Fractal formula.

There is NO gating. It is simply a difficulty soft-cap, presumably to stop players burning out, grinding, or generally not being in the normal game-world.

edit: typo

I voted, I hate their new “item progression initiative”.

naka.8457:

hell no

btw ANet: false advertising is in many countries illegal. that teh game do NOT have a gear treadmill was one of the biggest sell-points. gonna check this up asap.

Also a kitten in the face to those insane lies in that blog-post: do not even think about mixing GW1 into this.

What did they falsely advertise? No where on the product you purchased does it say GW2 does not and will not ever have “stat progression”.

I know what you’re trying to get it but quit being overly dramatic.

New gear and new things to do i cant see any thing wrong with that and the fact that its all free add on i cant find a reason to truly complain.

No, just make Ascended Rings or something like that, but not a full armor set of that thing…

:(

NO NO NO NO NO NO

Hello, i understand that whining now nor later would make a difference to the developers choice, but,

can you guys at least give us an npc / quest / short dungeon similar to GW1 to ascend our Current gears please that will save us the trouble for that need to grind for some “imbal gear”

Flynch.6034:

Jezath.7395:

Look…. The new gear is maybe 1 or 2 points better than the current exotic level, if yoyu check carefully the items are exotic stats with exotic upgrades already applied. the infusion will not give stat upgrades it is to counteract the agony that prevents you from delving deeper into the dungeon. So please stop all this raging everyone

+1 This needs to be stickied and so much of this forum rage will go away.

You can augment your current gear and you will have better stats than the Ascended gear.

You guys may want to have a closer look at that picture.

I think if its an one set of armor for an entire campaign and you give other ways to find the gear ie crafting..then fine..if its dungeon only..that is the sux and you completely lied in your manifesto

I think folks are more concerned about where it’s going to stop , then they are with the new gear. I understand that just because they are doing this once, does not mean they will do it again, but it also doesn’t mean they won’t.

No, I hate the new ascended items.

Azjenco.9425:

Naqaj.6219:

LFM Fractal ppl w/o Ascend need not apply

That’s how it’s going to affect people.

Well, I haven’t seen this in chat before:

LFM Arah full exotic chars only

So, I’m not so sure if that will happen.

I’ve seen it. Not every time, but it exists. With exotic being the top tier stat-wise, the difference between someone fully decked out and someone partially decked out is still small enough that this stupid elitism isn’t running rampant yet. The larger the gaps become, the more likely people are to start discriminating.
These one or two pieces of ascendent gear likely aren’t going to be much of a problem , but when it becomes 6, 8, 10 pieces of ascendent gear in subsequent patches, the difference will be large enough for people to assume skill alone cannot overcome it anymore. Let’s not forget, it doesn’t really matter how much of a difference the higher stats really make in raw %, what matters is what people think the difference is.

No for any new tiers of gear. No for any new gear mechanics. No for any gating stats.
Yes for any alternative for precursors instead of lottery/gold grind.
Yes for new cosmetics.
Yes for new content.

So much looking forward to the return of the locusts to grind their ascended items in a maximum of a month before disappearing again in a hissy fit complaining about the “pointless game, no more gear”.

Bardes.1870:

1.) Acended ring kill jewelry crafting.
2.) It is not “just” one ring or one backslot. It’s a beginning of new Tier gears.
3.) Agony/Infusion mechanic means — if your equipment sux (you do not have enough acended gears), then you are not allowed to do those new dungeons.
4.) It forces you to grind if you want better gears for WvW or if you want to be qualified for the harder dungeons.
5.) Old contents/gears become less useful or even become completely useless.
6.) All these mean whenever Anet pushes a new future, you’ll need to grind new Tier gears again and again.

Ok, i dont think you really grasped the mechanics we’re getting.

You can run the whole dungeon without any ascended gear, its not needed for any of the content or rewards. when you have completed the dungeon you have the option of doing it again, on a harder difficulty. If you like this instance you will run if often and get ascended gear to run it even more cycles on harder and harder difficulty. if you dont like it you can ignore it and wait for the next dungeon.

The feeling of betrayal really is one of the worst parts of this. We were told time and time again that this is a thing that would never happen, that the developers understood that we hated this and that they hated this too. And then, less than three months in, here it is.

Danikat said: I also have to say, and I say this as someone who’s highest level character is 37 and who has never had more than 2g in the bank, that if you’re a “casual” player by choice or because of the limitations real life puts on your game time, then you have to accept that you’re never going to be on a par with the people who devote all their time to the game. I can’t imagine where I’m going to get the time and money to get a legendary weapon, I haven’t even started thinking about exotics yet, but it doesn’t bother me. I’ve got plenty to do in this game alredy and I’m having fun doing it.

But that was the point, Danikat, of the supposed GW2 philosophy; even a casual player, over a long period of time, could in fact gear up to be on par with any other player because there was supposedly going to be a power ceiling that everyone could eventually get to, without endless power-progression “bumps” that kept pushing the ability of having an equally-powered character continually beyond the reach of casual players.

No! I hate the new ascended items.

Flynch.6034:

Jezath.7395:

Look…. The new gear is maybe 1 or 2 points better than the current exotic level, if yoyu check carefully the items are exotic stats with exotic upgrades already applied. the infusion will not give stat upgrades it is to counteract the agony that prevents you from delving deeper into the dungeon. So please stop all this raging everyone

+1 This needs to be stickied and so much of this forum rage will go away.

You can augment your current gear and you will have better stats than the Ascended gear.

Uhh for the Ascended ring they showed, it was +5 power, +5 precision and +3% magic find better than an exotic ring with its exotic upgrade. And this is before the additional infusion upgrade. Don’t forget that each % of magic find is equivalent to a lot more of other stats.

Now multiply that boost by all your slots.

Yay for new content.
Nay for content gating.
Nay for gear progression.
Yay for new items/legendaries.

this is a bait and switch scam.

No. I don´t want ascended gear, and specially if only dungeon obtainable.

I will just say a few things to thoe who are raging…

Guild Wars 2 it is not Guild Wars 1. If you liked Gw1 over Gw2, then leave Gw2 and go back to the first game… This goes to those who are saying “gw1 didnt needed this… or that”

Guild Wars 2 has… 2 and half monts of life? And it is NOT finished yet. There will be new content, there will be new gear and new challengues. If you guys want a finished product, play Gw1.

You knew for the very start what game where you buying, why the rage now :S

I think you people didn’t notice, but we only killed 1 of the 5 dragons this game has to offer. That means, we still need 4 more to actually beat the story of the game, right? Now… Knowing that… Did you really think there isnt going to be ANY progression since the launch of Gw2 to the very last dragon? Really? Did you all who are reging now seriously think that there is only going to be the same stats over and over?

I dont know of you, but when i got lvl 80 i have the same feeling back in gw2, i just got the max lvl of the game. This has just started, and there are new things to come.

(sorry for my english, not my native language)

fellyn.5083:

naka.8457:

hell no

btw ANet: false advertising is in many countries illegal. that teh game do NOT have a gear treadmill was one of the biggest sell-points. gonna check this up asap.

Also a kitten in the face to those insane lies in that blog-post: do not even think about mixing GW1 into this.

What did they falsely advertise? No where on the product you purchased does it say GW2 does not and will not ever have “stat progression”.

I know what you’re trying to get it but quit being overly dramatic.

It was advertised as having no gear progression many times through numerous outlets during its development right up until last night. Anet stated that it was only one of the unique parts of the game to set themselves apart from the try-hard WoW clones that have literally flooded the market in recent years.

Anyway:

No to ascended gear. Yes to being excited about Planetside 2; which is where I’ll be going.

you guys are assuming you can get any stat combination from ascended gear..what if its a predetermined type only? Like all you can get is magic find?

Everything is bad about it…
Clearly, infusion idea and slightly higher stats are against everything what ANET said about this game.
I’m very disappointed…
When this comes out, more people will come to forums to complain.

krs.7520:

Ok, i dont think you really grasped the mechanics we’re getting.

You can run the whole dungeon without any ascended gear, its not needed for any of the content or rewards. when you have completed the dungeon you have the option of doing it again, on a harder difficulty. If you like this instance you will run if often and get ascended gear to run it even more cycles on harder and harder difficulty. if you dont like it you can ignore it and wait for the next dungeon.

Could you link that statement please? The blog tells us otherwise, it says we won’t be able to go through the whole dungeon unless we have infusions. It says nothing about an optional hard mode where this kind of upgrades are needed.