Guild Wars 2

“You fight against people who’re the exact same as you, over a place that is “somewhere” and for no reason.”

This x100000

the reason RVR in Daoc was fun was because of the camaraderie of each realm, in GW2 there is 0 incentive to do anything, its like playing tag.

1) Guild
2) Absolutely nothing – I hate WvW.
3) I’ve never needed any buffs from WvW for any dungeon run, ever.
4) Nothing scares me out. It’s just a crappy zergfest with no meaning or progression and I only go in there to nab the daily WvW kills or caravan kills with my Thief, since that’s the easiest class to do it on.
5) What does this question even have to do with anything?

Lightsbane.9012:

on any server.
1.) what made you choose and stay on the server you’re on?(other than friends)
2.) what will it take for the wvw players to get you into wvw?
3.) wvw benefits your dungeon runs, do you not agree that helping us get the buffs you benefit from is the right thing to do?
4.)is it the repair bill that scares you out?(i farm maybe 2 hours a week and that’s a 7g profit each week i’m sorry but i can’t see that as valid. to each their own maybe)
5.) why would a risen priestess of milandru be impressed with your Legendary?
6.) to my GOM bros specifically, some of the PvE guilds on our server are upwards of 300+(and active), can you grasp how much of a difference just 1/10 of your guild members would make if they were active in wvw daily?
7.) World Vs. World is one of(probably the) best way for your guild to not only get recognition, but respect. if your guild is influential enough here…you get the point.
Something i’ve realized, that the fact of the matter is, PvE heavy servers will stay that way until WvW’s incentives surpass PvE’s. That or thief gets nerfed hardcore.
However, if open world pvp were introduced…the tune might change quickly.
k, gripe over.

1) Friends. If you’re not really interested in RvR, as long as you have people you enjoy playing with on your server you don’t really need to change, do you?

2) I’ve done some RvR, even upgraded towers and stuff, what I found really annoying is people in map chat. Most of them are barking instead of talking when things doesn’t turn out how they want and it’s pretty annoying. I’m playing to have fun and when ppl aren’t being pain in the bum I generally stay much longer.
Having a non top PC doesn’t help either, neither culling.

3) Tbh they could remove these buff, I couldn’t care less.

4) Nope, I don’t really care about repair bills.

5) Was this question even useful? Are you trolling or trying to find solutions to a problem? Being sarcastic won’t make ppl want to RvR. Btw, I don’t think the Risen Priest of Melandru will be more impressed if my server is holding Stonemist for the week long but I could be wrong.

6) /

7) Maybe the next update which will introduce some kind of progression and resolve culling will help but the biggest drawback I found is players’ attitude (just look at the tone of your post at some parts) and Anet can’t do much about it.
Oh and some people just simply don’t enjoy this mode.

No becouse i hate PvP and WvWvW – no fun for me there.

Lightsbane.9012:

Pustulio.8207:

Lightsbane.9012:

on any server.
1.) what made you choose and stay on the server you’re on?(other than friends)
2.) what will it take for the wvw players to get you into wvw?
3.) wvw benefits your dungeon runs, do you not agree that helping us get the buffs you benefit from is the right thing to do?
4.)is it the repair bill that scares you out?(i farm maybe 2 hours a week and that’s a 7g profit each week i’m sorry but i can’t see that as valid. to each their own maybe)
5.) why would a risen priestess of milandru be impressed with your Legendary?
6.) to my GOM bros specifically, some of the PvE guilds on our server are upwards of 300+(and active), can you grasp how much of a difference just 1/10 of your guild members would make if they were active in wvw daily?
7.) World Vs. World is one of(probably the) best way for your guild to not only get recognition, but respect. if your guild is influential enough here…you get the point.
Something i’ve realized, that the fact of the matter is, PvE heavy servers will stay that way until WvW’s incentives surpass PvE’s. That or thief gets nerfed hardcore.
However, if open world pvp were introduced…the tune might change quickly.
k, gripe over.

“World Vs. World is one of(probably the) best way for your guild to not only get recognition, but respect. if your guild is influential enough here…you get the point.”

This should be removed. it’s just plain stupid.

As for the rest of it, the “incentives” will never surpass the PvE, for a player that want’s nothing to do with “WvW”. And, if you want “World PvP”, then go play a game that has it, instead of trying to force it into THIS one.

hey man, i found all my guilds through that and so have most of the people in my friends list. you calling that stupid is a little weird. and select few wvw guilds are even respected in the pve spectrum, that’s a very few number of guilds though. point in fact: if you have a commander tag and are a successful commander, there isn’t much your guild can’t do. whether it being the siege of stonemist castle or taking out jormag. the last part of the post wasn’t anything but an opinion. if taking a tower gave you 50s i imagine your reply would be quite different.

Strange, having played since Beta I can’t even think of one guild across any server that has stood out as awesomesauce…. why because like many others have already said, it simply isn’t important.

Commander tags mean didly squat, they are two a penny the only thing thats makes a difference in WvWvW is the size of the zerg nothing more. When has a Commander tag made any difference to a DE.. I see at least a dozen Commanders hitting Maw, Jourmag etc, etc… how many do you think it takes to make a difference – hmmm especially when they are doing exactly the same as everyone else… eating a sandwich, sloshing a coke and watching Kenny get dissed again and again in South Park… all whilst spamming 1,2,3,4,5 over and over before zoning out to the next event on some other map or server.
As for finding all your guilds in WvWvW, all power to you – anyone can answer a guild spam that proffesses their self opinionated godlike qualites and almost every guild will take in a lost soul begging to be part of a guild cos they just saw the size of their zerg over the hill… but if you still think WvWvW is what makes you feel awesome then all power to you, really I am glad you enjoy it.
Unfortunatley, your points fall down like a lead balloon and offer me no tempting reasons to indulge in WvWvW for any other reason than map completion or the odd daily when the mood takes me, sorry to burst the bubble

1.) The linkshell I switched to the server for.
2.) My generic WvW experience goes something like this: I spawn in the zone, try to make my way to wherever we’re contested to join my troops. Before I know what has happened, five invisible people stomp me to the ground in a matter of seconds, and give me a /bow and a /wave as a nice big kitten-you before moving on. So I return to waypoint and run another 5-10 minutes through the map, get to the battle, and here come 40 people razing everything to the ground. No strategy, no tactic, no epic battle, just a mindless zerg and it’s back to the waypoint for me. What can you do? Get rid of /emotes, get rid of zergs. That’s a start.
3.) In theory, yes. I guess I should be spending the limited time I have to play doing something I don’t enjoy, because I get buffs from you doing something you do enjoy.
4.) The repair bill doesn’t bother me. The boredom does.
5.) Since I’m not the least bit impressed by legendaries, I have a hard time answering your question. Keep pondering, perhaps the answer will come to you in a dream.
6.) Yes, I can imagine it would make a big difference. Try to imagine why they are not.
7.) If that’s all it takes to get the respect of other people, then it’s a sad state of affairs indeed.

Lightsbane.9012:

apparently fighting a risen with no real intelligence is more fun.

I’ve ran into some pretty dumb real players in WvW….I will go as far as to say they were dumber than a Risen.

ophidic.1279:

rizzo.1079:

ophidic.1279:

If people are not having fun in WVW, you’re doing it wrong.

Oh sorry sir, please educate me as to how to spend my free time correctly! I will take detailed notes on what I should find entertainment in and endeavor to implement any suggestions post haste!

Yes, because I was addressing you specifically.

However, now that you mention it…

“There are a lot of places where this game sacrifices fun to prevent some kind of adverse effect. Sacrificing fun for any reason in a game is always a bad design decision and indicative of a quick fix mentality.
Fortunately, regular overworld pve is not one of those places:)”

I have no idea how you reached that conclusion, but it sure is RIDICULOUS.

No really, overworld pve isn’t a place where fun is sacrificed to prevent an adverse effect. Not sure how you can dispute that.

You’re welcome to buy me a new PC so I can get more than 5 FPS on the WvW map

Zeppelin.6832:

You’re welcome to buy me a new PC so I can get more than 5 FPS on the WvW map

Aye same, well whenever there are more than 20 players fighting in an area at least. And the culling is just insane, WvW is still too broken to be fun for me. Every day I decide to play it is a day that I’ll be steamrolled by an invisible zerg whilst getting eyestrain. That’s weird, buggy and not fun.

At least in gw AB you could see the enemy coming.

I started on the TC and was afraid I’d never get back if I left.

Lightsbane.9012:

on any server.
1.) what made you choose and stay on the server you’re on?(other than friends)
2.) what will it take for the wvw players to get you into wvw?
3.) wvw benefits your dungeon runs, do you not agree that helping us get the buffs you benefit from is the right thing to do?
4.)is it the repair bill that scares you out?(i farm maybe 2 hours a week and that’s a 7g profit each week i’m sorry but i can’t see that as valid. to each their own maybe)
5.) why would a risen priestess of milandru be impressed with your Legendary?
6.) to my GOM bros specifically, some of the PvE guilds on our server are upwards of 300+(and active), can you grasp how much of a difference just 1/10 of your guild members would make if they were active in wvw daily?
7.) World Vs. World is one of(probably the) best way for your guild to not only get recognition, but respect. if your guild is influential enough here…you get the point.
Something i’ve realized, that the fact of the matter is, PvE heavy servers will stay that way until WvW’s incentives surpass PvE’s. That or thief gets nerfed hardcore.
However, if open world pvp were introduced…the tune might change quickly.
k, gripe over.

• 1- The server I’m on has been the highest quality players both in skill and being good team players, that I have found thus far across all the other servers I’ve tried. (Not calling the other servers bad so don’t even try to go there)
• 2- If you want me to come back to wvw, find a way to play it without zergs being the core mechanic of it. Nothing is more mind-numblingly boring than mass zerging a map for hours upon hours on end. Also, noting how easy it is to ruin (or have runied) hours upon hours of hard work fortifying a location only to have it gone in 5 mins (or less sometimes). That’s a whole lot of wasted time and money, sorry but if I want to flush money I’ll give it to Zommorros.
• 3- It really doesn’t help my dungeon runs that much. DR affects my dungeon runs. nothing wvw can do will change that.
• 4- When I was a newbie the repair bill scared me, now I could care less, but I can see how it would be a hinderance to new people wanting to try out wvw. Actually it would pretty much be a show stopper for some people if they blew all their money on repairs. Do I think they should remove it? Nah. Idk where the middle ground would be so I’m not going to try to figure that one out.
• 5- I don’t have a legendary, probably never will. They don’t interest me, I don’t like the skins, nuf said. So this question is lost on me.
• 6- Not on your server, but I see what you’re saying and I agree, but see #2 first for my response to that.
• 7- Thief is not the reason wvw isnt fun, I used to eat them for breakfast. Nerfing thief will only make people stop playing that class. And open world pvp is probably the worst design idea any developer ever had (except a few games where they had pvp-specific servers, which was ok, but eventually those servers withered and died because at it’s core, it’s a poor design method).

This may come as a big surprise to you, but not everyone likes PvP..

Lightsbane.9012:

on any server.
1.) what made you choose and stay on the server you’re on?(other than friends)
2.) what will it take for the wvw players to get you into wvw?
3.) wvw benefits your dungeon runs, do you not agree that helping us get the buffs you benefit from is the right thing to do?
4.)is it the repair bill that scares you out?(i farm maybe 2 hours a week and that’s a 7g profit each week i’m sorry but i can’t see that as valid. to each their own maybe)
5.) why would a risen priestess of milandru be impressed with your Legendary?
6.) to my GOM bros specifically, some of the PvE guilds on our server are upwards of 300+(and active), can you grasp how much of a difference just 1/10 of your guild members would make if they were active in wvw daily?
7.) World Vs. World is one of(probably the) best way for your guild to not only get recognition, but respect. if your guild is influential enough here…you get the point.
Something i’ve realized, that the fact of the matter is, PvE heavy servers will stay that way until WvW’s incentives surpass PvE’s. That or thief gets nerfed hardcore.
However, if open world pvp were introduced…the tune might change quickly.
k, gripe over.

1) RP and great people to play with.
2) A working machine and no culling to even set foot beyond my server’s base.
3) Yes, but #2 states I’m not able to by virtue of lack of proper specs.
4) No waypoints bother me more when looking for dungeon groups at the sites and no one is around. Wasted time, effort, and money.
5) NPCs react and respond in awe to legendary weapons? Since when? I do want dual incenerators for when stats increase for legendaries, I have the maximum possible equipped power vit and toughness on my ele.
6) I’m not on your server I’m on tarnished coast. Doesn’t apply to me, yet, we fell you bro!
7) Tarnished coast is way up there in ranking, take a look! We RP and kick kitten here. We hardly have any participation issues. I love WvW (reminds me of my Ragnarok Online War of Emperium days), but my laptop can’t do anything more than dungeons and small group based events so I’m stuck in PvE preparing my ele for WvW with proper gear and everything.

I just can’t see how others can’t get any exotics when dungeons are easy (except AC and TA now) and with the right guild, you can do them and have fun doing them. Carnished Toast, (my guild) has no qualms about who is in our dungeon runs, noob or pro, crap machine or $3000 rig. Maybe people that whine about not having anything in GW 2 should look for guilds like us? We do it all!

Open world PvP would divide people more. People just want it because they are sadists or narcissistic and want to kill or pick on others when they can’t legally do so in real life. Go play a bloody and gorey FPS for that! Like the trope says, “Humans are kittens!”

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

This may come as a big surprise to you, but not everyone likes PvP..

Shock, awe, and gasp

1.) I am on JQ, the server I chose in the beta weekends and just kept with it.
2.) I am not interested in WvW
3.) That’s great that WvW benefits my dungeon runs, but I do not think that forcing me to play WvW is the ‘right thing to do’
4.) Didn’t even realize repair bill would be a problem?
5.) I have not interest in getting a legendary, or impressing the risen priest of Melandru
6.) N/A
7.) Not a question?

Sounds like you are asking why I do not play WvW. I do not play WvW because I do not like PvP. I enjoy coop and stories. In Call of Duty, I prefer the campaign to online play (but the campaign sucked :\) In Guild Wars 2, I prefer dungeons, event chains and the personal story.

As for the ‘right thing to do’ – The right thing to do, is to not ask people to play in a way they do not want to play. If they do not like PvP, do not ask them to PvP. If they do not like dungeons, don’t ask them to do dungeons anyway.

Lightsbane.9012:

on any server.
1.) what made you choose and stay on the server you’re on?(other than friends)
2.) what will it take for the wvw players to get you into wvw?
3.) wvw benefits your dungeon runs, do you not agree that helping us get the buffs you benefit from is the right thing to do?
4.)is it the repair bill that scares you out?(i farm maybe 2 hours a week and that’s a 7g profit each week i’m sorry but i can’t see that as valid. to each their own maybe)
5.) why would a risen priestess of milandru be impressed with your Legendary?
6.) to my GOM bros specifically, some of the PvE guilds on our server are upwards of 300+(and active), can you grasp how much of a difference just 1/10 of your guild members would make if they were active in wvw daily?
7.) World Vs. World is one of(probably the) best way for your guild to not only get recognition, but respect. if your guild is influential enough here…you get the point.
Something i’ve realized, that the fact of the matter is, PvE heavy servers will stay that way until WvW’s incentives surpass PvE’s. That or thief gets nerfed hardcore.
However, if open world pvp were introduced…the tune might change quickly.
k, gripe over.

1) Friends were on it. I moved servers after guesting with a new guild and deciding I wanted to move to their server.
2) Make it PvE
3) Until I’m 80 I don’t even run dungeons, and even then I don’t run many
4) Nope, not the issue
5) Why do think your kitten interests me?
6) Some of them do play WvWvW, just not me
7) Doesn’t make me want to do it

From an avid WvW’er: I’m honestly getting bored with WvW. There is no real “point” to it anymore, if there ever was. Yes, I know the March update is coming soon, and I will definitely be checking it out, but other than that…WvW is getting just plain stale. The culling, the constant skill lag in higher tiers, lack of progression, zerg play, etc is all just wearing down on not only me, but a majority of the higher tiered servers and their guilds.

Until the update comes out I’ll be spending my time in sPvP, where I’ve found a LOT of enjoyment lately in free tourneys. Not only can you play dress-up from the chests you’ll get, but you can perfect your build, meet new players to bounce ideas off of, etc. sPvP has issues too, but at least it focuses more on build/skill than just outright numbers.

1.) Im on GoM actually and my older sister had me start on GoM since thats where she and her friends were. _ she got me into GW2 so yeah…
2.) personally i love wvw, though i have seen a few pigheaded commanders that have terrible attitudes but ive also come across some very respectful ones that dont act arrogant. I dont really see wvw as pvp since you cant really speak to the enemy and you dont ever really see their name, you only see their server tag above their head. I dont think ive ever seen any time that the enemy was able to communicate with GoM besides here on the forums. I just joined a wvw guild 3 days ago and have been going into wvw every day now. the drops lately have been intense thou, my bags get filled so fast x_X
3.) dont really care about the buffs personally xD
4.) only time you need repair builds is if you die alot _;…which doesnt happen to often unless i decide to be stupid and run solo into a zerg.
5.) personally i dont think its right to try and force your likes/views/opinions on others if they are not into the same thing. If players enjoy pve let them enjoy it, if players enjoy wvw let them enjoy it ect. but never try to force your enjoyments onto the other. if our wvw grou kitten mall because more players on GoM enjoy pve well thats just sumthing we all have to deal with. if some reason people cant deal with it then move servers if its that big of a problem.

I think this is really just one question – why don’t you PvE folks play more WvW?
For me it is two things – first, the cost of repairs – I am somewhat less than awesome in PvP situations and that leads to me dying more often than I would like. Since I can’t even stand to play the market in real life to try and improve my retirement portfolio, I refuse to play the market in a game. Spending money on repairs is no fun and I am better able to avoid death in PvE.
Second, to my great and bitter disappointment, WvW isn’t that much fun for me. As someone who loved Alterac Valley in WoW, I thought I would love WvW. Unfortunately, it seems like the maps are so big, that the best thing to do is not confront the enemy but attack where they are not – which I am sure makes great tactical sense, but makes kinda dull PvP.
Even so, the real limiting factor is the money – I would likely play more and find out if I have just been in the wrong places all the time, but for the fact that I don’t have the kinda of cash to take the beatings needed to explore more of the landscape.

Do I like WvW PvP?
Not at all, if you see.
I do not like WvW PvP.

Would I like it here or there?
I would not like it here or there.
I would not like it anywhere.
I do not like WvW PvP.
I’d rather get stung by a bee.

Would I like it on a fancy rig?
I would not like it on a fancy rig.
I think their egos much too big.
I think their language like a pig.
I would not like it here or there.
I would not like it anywhere.
I do not like WvW PvP,
I took an arrow to the knee.

Would I like it with plenty of gold?
I would not like it with plenty of gold.
Not with gold. Zerging gets old.
Egos too big. Language like pig.
I do not like WvW PvP,
Why, oh why can’t you see?

Would I? Could I? For the buffs?
Buff it! Buff it! Buff it tuff!
I would not, could not, for the buffs.

Oh, I may like it? I will see?
I may like 300 versus me?
I would not, could not, take 50.
No I will not go, let me be!
I do not WvW PvP.

I started this game playing WvW every day. I’m now exclusively a PvE player. Simply put, WvW in this game is just terrible. Roaming is fun from time to time but eventually it boils down to who is running the bigger zerg. The rewards suck balls and they couldn’t be bothered to put some originality into the map designs. I also loathe the fact that they included jumping puzzles and pve crap in a primarily pvp environment. I also do not like the fact that they don’t balance skills for WvW the way they do spvp. All in all I played WvW enough to know that it’s going to take some major improvements in design and concept for me to want to go back to it. It just isn’t fun or rewarding.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Strange, having played since Beta I can’t even think of one guild across any server that has stood out as awesomesauce….

Oh, I can. In the western Blackgate Borderlands we held the keep and a fairly small group (maybe 30, not a huge zerg) of mostly [Agg] got in by mesmer portal. We had maybe 25 defenders. With the keep, the NPCs and their inability to get reinforcements to replace losses, we should have stomped them, right? Nope. We nearly lost and it took a long time to defeat them (1 or 2 defeated every couple of minutes, while they mowed down 6-10 of us and we had to run back from the garrison and we watched our gate health drop and drop). They were well organized and devastating. I felt like we were a militia fighting a professional military. I rarely WvW and have only seen this once, but boy do I remember them.

So the OP thinks I should be obligated to WvW? I should play something I dont enjoy out of obligation…. hmm. Yeah, sounds like a fun game kitten OP. Think that one over.

1.) Started with friends, then found many cool dudes on Gunnar’s Hold. Hopped over to a german server to look around for a bit and their PvE areas were totally empty so I went back. (no wonder they dominated WvW)
2.) Dragon events in WvW, or maybe a day of peace with no fighting. Mass dance party will get me there too.
3.) I don’t like dungeon runs so I don’t particularly care about the benifit.
4.) Partially. 7 gold in 2 hours you say? For me that’s around 20 silver in 2 hours if lucky.
5.) Don’t care for legendaries, nor do I care for anyone that has them.
6.) They aren’t asking you to PvE. Don’t ask them to PvP
7.) My guild doesn’t need recognition, it’s not like we’re trying to prove anything – are you?

Your condescending attitude in your op and replies to other completely ruins your message to the PVE community. And if anything, represents a lot of why PVE players dislike PVP.

Many PVP exclusive players have kittenty attitudes towards PVE players and you’re reinforcing that in classic fashion.

Aside from that, PVE players should not feel obligated to participate in PVP just like PVP players shouldn’t feel the pressure of participating in PVE content. And if they were to create more PVE usable rewards from PVP/WVW participation, you can bet your kitten people will complain they are being forced to do something they don’t want to do and PVP players would say the same if they had to do dungeons to obtain PVP/WVW enhancements.

The way I see it, free transfers were available for a long~ time and anyone wanting a better WVW experience had more than enough time to make a move off a PVE dominant server. And don’t give me that kitten about “server pride” or whatever. Plenty of the top WVW guilds have shifted servers to better their WVW experience and you should have too.

I heard all lodestones are able to be obtained in WvWvW. Do the mobs that drop these lodestones have a higher drop rate than the ones on the normal PvE maps, or is it all the same?

I know back in daoc during pre _ NF there was a reason for PvE’ers to RvR ( unlocking darkness falls: it gave them access to the best money making method in game at the time, and it had the best exp), but not so much after new frontiers was added.

This is just another “if you don’t play the same way I do, you’re playing wrong” thread. Not everyone likes or is interested in WvW. Get over it….

I like WvW in small doses but I often get bored after I’ve been playing it for a little while.

Probably will play it more once they have the WvW patch and you can get points for abilities and stuff.