Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Oh, I get it. So while I thought I was killing those vets on my own, it was my invisible friend taking kill cred and getting that loot.
Seems legit.(!)
I think you also may need to correct that inaccurate response to bad loot/no loot drops.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Yikes, out of the frying pan and into the fire lol…
I’ve soloed numerous champions and vets and got nothing but a single blue item once or twice and usually nothing at all but some junk XP, so I’m not sure what you mean by kill credit.
If you are not getting loot, it’s most likely from a broken system, not the player
I think this is what Jason was trying to say, but in a corporate way.
“Working on improvements” could mean they don’t know why rewards aren’t always working, and are trying to find the bugs in their system which cause this problem.
Sometimes they can’t identify/fix the bugs and just push a workaround, like with just keeping the Arah Gates open most of the time because they can’t design stable events leading to it.
Mobs properly dropping loot should be an “MMO 101” core competency though >.>
Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Thank you for bringing this up!
So…all those times I’ve SOLOED a champ/vet and 1/2 the time no loot i didn’t get kill credit?
Umm…wrong, nobody was around, fully solo a champ from 100% to dead for 8minutes and no loot is a obvious flaw in loot system, and nothing to do will kill credit.
Please i implore you to investigate loot issues and make it more…..rewarding, I don’t feel rewarded by playing this game at all.
Also, why am i getting level 11 drops at level 80 in a 50 zone?
Jason, could it be that the “no kill credit” thing affects not only the champ/ vets?
Could it be the reason that some players do not enough dps to receive kill credit and so receive less loot, which causes the loot issue experienced by some players?
The system on getting kill credit seems to be a little messed up. So maybe people do damage on (any open world) foes (not just champs/ vets) and get xp, medals, …, but they do not enough damage (?) on them. This leads to “no kill credit” and that again influences the loot they receive (like you said about the loot from vet/ champs).
Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Thank you for bringing this up!
I’m sorry Jason but this isn’t it. I have soloed many champions and did not get any loot. My most recent case was that champion separatist that escapes from a prison in ebonhawke. Killing veterans with no loot also happens all the time.
The world is teeming with unnecessary people.
It is God’s decision that i fight.
As knight of honor, as protector of the sin. I sacrifice myself, for the blood of criminals.
@Navi – I think I have heard this argument once postulated somewhere else. It does seem to tie in if we aren’t getting ‘kill credit’ when we solo a vet/champ. How far of a stretch is it to tie this into any kind of mob?
Grouping = better quantity + quality
solo in low lvl areas = better quantity + quality (excluding the random low lvl drop)
dps centric build = better quantity + quality
Maybe there is some validity. I don’t want to jump into the realm of tinfoil hats just yet but I would also like some clarification as to how we are not receiving kill credit by soloing a vet/champ.
I have a friend who used to work at a call center for and ISP in the early days when it was about 50/50 between dial up and DSL. He said when he got really frustrated with a collar he would tell them to unplug their modem directly from the wall jack, not the back of the modem, and plug it back in.
Not because it fixed anything, but because a good chunk of the time the phone they were talking on was split from that same jack, and someone else would get the call when they called back.
Sometimes people demand answers that can’t be given. You just have to tell them something.
Maybe if you solo and kill the champ what should have happened was the champ killing you. That way the champ gets kill credit and loot. When you go against fate you lose?
Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Thank you for bringing this up!
This is exactly what I thought was happening. There were HUGE problems with kill credit for daily events at the start of GW2. Then we had big problems with getting experience from kills in a group. The loot drops issue is just another ‘credit’ issue. Somehow people are not getting credit for the kill or the assist so no loot.
It can be clearly seen when they have the kill 5 Veterans daily event. It usually takes me killing 15 to 20 veterans (many of the SOLO!) before I get credit for 5. Even on those 5 I only get a drop once or twice.
I know the idea is to keep people from leaching off of others but the way it is done now is punishing people that are playing. It is a hard line to balance but I am sure they will get it fixed eventually.
Not sure what Jason has been smoking, but most of the people that complain about not getting loot from champions and veterans DO infact get kill credit.
They are not getting kill credit on the drop tables. They might get it for experience or for a DE but the drop table is not recognizing the kill credit.
Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Pretty sure if I almost kill a veteran, then get downed and respawn, then someone else comes and kills the veteran, I get the loot, not you. I have seen this on many events.
Takkek Twicechosen, bone-collecting ranger of Plague[SICK]
Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Thank you for bringing this up!
This is exactly what I thought was happening. There were HUGE problems with kill credit for daily events at the start of GW2. Then we had big problems with getting experience from kills in a group. The loot drops issue is just another ‘credit’ issue. Somehow people are not getting credit for the kill or the assist so no loot.
It can be clearly seen when they have the kill 5 Veterans daily event. It usually takes me killing 15 to 20 veterans (many of the SOLO!) before I get credit for 5. Even on those 5 I only get a drop once or twice.
I know the idea is to keep people from leaching off of others but the way it is done now is punishing people that are playing. It is a hard line to balance but I am sure they will get it fixed eventually.
I wish I shared your optimism. Remember this, from the “Share your data about perceived drop behavior” thread?:
Just wanted to give a quick update on this topic. We’ve completed verifying every update from the november release, and there were zero changes to anything what so ever that would have negatively affected loot in any way/shape/form. We can officially confirm this as an X-files level conspiracy at this point.
We’re in the midst of evaluating every loot table in the game and running massive random roll evaluations table by table, as well as evaluating every system game wide that causes a player to qualify for items to determine if any issues exist in those systems from launch.
Will update again when we have another round of concrete information.
Whenever there are loot or DR issues brought up in these forums, they are met wth either silence or dismissiveness.
I’m not sure the folks at ANet have any inkling of what happens in their game.
From what i’ve observed kill credit is the ratio of damage that you have done compared to everyone else;
i have already posted in the relevant forum sections about this. From what i have observed this is just ONE of many factors that determine loot (frequency and rarity)
But if i’ve solo’d a champ and not got loot then obviously the kill credit is ‘broken’.
Maybe, just maybe, this is what some people are seeing happening with loot in general. We can hope that this will give Anet a direction, a starting point to solving the issue for all including the Vets/Champs. (EDIT: clarification- solo kills)
Can you imagine if it is related to DPS? Tyria won’t be so diverse any longer.
If you’re on the Internet, why aren’t you using a time server to set your time? Windows has been able to do that for at least a decade, and I’m pretty sures it’s the default setting on new machines.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Jason, this is blatantly false, and anyone who has been playing the game recently could tell you that. You may want to correct this information for future responses, too.
And it may help the company’s general PR standing to stop giving false information to us in public responses in the first place. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure you’re a good guy and that you honestly didn’t know about this. But….the only way you couldn’t have known about this is if you haven’t been playing the game much. Because this has been a problem since the game’s release, and long after the patch notes claimed it was “fixed”.
Scenerio:
I solo’d a champion spider and received no loot at all.
This reason for no loot is no kill credit?
If solo killing the champion/vet doesn’t provide kill credit what will?
You took so long to solo the champion spider that it simply died of old age. Since it died by natural causes, you get no kill credit.
Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!
First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Thank you for bringing this up!
You’re incorrect on the last part, I’m afraid. For example, the champ event after plinx. I seldom get a drop from it even when I get a medal for helping. I seriously spend five or so minutes killing it to get no loot. I don’t think it’s just kill credit that’s the issue.
“Failure to remain calm is the sign of a weak mind.”
AS much as I hate to say it, maybe you guys at Anet should look at what Aion did as far as drop rates go. It was definitely a redeeming feature, though not enough to keep me playing beyond level 40, a few years ago. Or maybe rebrand to “ScroogeNet” if everything is working as you hoped, not that it’s (quite) that bad.
If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.
Just for added clarification: Is there a bug that prevents one from getting kill credit, even if they were the only one killing the mob? Because I’ve soloed many vets recently and have received no drops more often than not.
I spent yesterday killing Veteran and Champion mobs with the specific aim of doing it solo. I recorded 19 kills and disregarded the further 14 that were not solo as other player(s) ended up joining in even if just for a second. I can positively guarantee those 19 were completely solo.
I received absolutely no loot whatsoever on 7 occasions, 3 drops were grey vendor trash items worth a few copper and the remaining 9 were a mix of mostly blue items, crafting materials and some greens.
This thread is quickly descending into off-topic discussions so I’m going to close it. We’re continuing our investigation into players’ reports of potential issues with item drops. We will give an update about the results of these investigations as soon as we’ve gathered all the information.
It does seem to tie in if we aren’t getting ‘kill credit’ when we solo a vet/champ. How far of a stretch is it to tie this into any kind of mob? 
