Guild Wars 2

Nubu.6148:

I mean if i need that much hero points and have to unlock the elite in the jungle it would be way too much .

Yes, even for the 170 HP that is way too much. Especially since they want to have several elites. I do not play wvw or have the krait thing so that means I can only miss 9 pts minus however many I get in the maguma wastes. So now I get the slow slog of getting points in high-level zones. MAYBE if I knew months ago, but now between work, 8 characters, and actually playing the game it is a numerical impossibility.

If elites require something different than HPs that work was all for nothing. Not to mention that what are essentially 9 new professions are not available on release day for anyone to play with in at least pve (which is where the new regions are). If they thought there was LFG drama before wait until we have some people be elites and others not …

Bitoku Kishi.8346:

What I’m wondering is why is ArenaNet not telling us anything more specific about this? They can’t still be deciding it, can they? And if they do know how many Hero Points is will take to get the Elite Specs, why not just tell everyone so we can prepare for it better?

The only reason I can think for them not telling us yet (and even then it doesn’t make much sense to me) is that they don’t want everyone with elites heading off to WvW, Fractals or whatever on launch day. They prefer instead to have veterans of the game mixing with new players as we all conquer Hero Point challenges together.

Yes, to me it does not make a lot of sense, purely from a programming and marketing perspective.

From a programmer one, clearly a lot of work and time has gone into them. It just does not make sense to put in that much effort if only a few people will enjoy it. Look at how long it takes for even the most minor asked-for feature to be implemented.

From a marketing one you do not want the cost to be high either. For those of us that pre-ordered we do not have much choice. However it is pretty much a guarantee that after launch (and the costs are known) some people will not upgrade because they do not see getting elites any time soon as being a possibility.

Random.4691:

perry.9645:

Important to know is if we can just have elite spec and 2 core specs trained or if we need all 5 core specs to unlock the elite

This is a good point, I was thinking of just spending points on the traits and abilities I intend to use, I can work on the rest later. I’m hoping that I can choose to spend points on an Elite spec and put one or two of the core specs off until a later date.

Playing beta you had instant access to elite specs. they have said the requirement for elite spec is to be lv 80. No mention of additional restrictions like “you must have all other traits lines fully unlocked first”. Should be able to instant 80 and put points into elite right away.

I have been running a Hero Point Rush Event for several weeks now, We have been getting ~70 Hero Points per run, but now I am working on an additional 30 – 35 points on new maps. Be on the lookout for a couple of rushes next week on Tues & Wednesday (unless Anet drops the news that we don’t need hero points!)

Menadena.7482:

Yes, to me it does not make a lot of sense, purely from a programming and marketing perspective.

From a programmer one, clearly a lot of work and time has gone into them. It just does not make sense to put in that much effort if only a few people will enjoy it. Look at how long it takes for even the most minor asked-for feature to be implemented.

From a marketing one you do not want the cost to be high either. For those of us that pre-ordered we do not have much choice. However it is pretty much a guarantee that after launch (and the costs are known) some people will not upgrade because they do not see getting elites any time soon as being a possibility.

I’ve been thinking similarly, yet I could see them “gating” the new specializations behind a full run through of the expansion, in an attempt to push players through it, sort of “enforce” making players take each character though it to get the specialization. Depends upon how they are thinking I suppose. Some people want it that way, some do not.

For me, that would prevent my getting the expansion, for a particular reason. I hate my thief now, the changes which have occurred to the profession over time have made it so un-thief like. I don’t play it anymore, it feels like…..some nothing character….and certainly not like the evasive slippery thief I had liked long ago.

The new spec seems it may remedy that, at least enough so I could enjoy the profession again.

So, I have no desire to play it all as it is. If I have to run through the expansion to unlock it’s new specialization, I’ll just pass on it. The fun is gone for me as it is, and the drudgery of actually pushing through the expansion on it is the definition of “not fun”.

If it is a matter of HP, he has some and if the cost is not too brutal, I’d suffer through getting some more HP’s on the miserable character. Beyond that, I’ll never log on the character again. I am here for fun, not some tedious chore.

How they will have us gain the new spec will determine whether or not I get the expansion. It all rests upon whether or not I have to suffer the misery of playing this character or not, as it is now.

I just have the feeling they will require a play through of the expansion, among other things. So I am not expecting to get it. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised and they won’t but I doubt it.

Oho, Solaxo, which new maps? My Engie just has Orr left (plus Silverwastes and Dry Top for any pick up points needed), and I have plenty of alts still at around 100 HP from the lower level areas your rushes normally cover.

Dinks.2478:

People need to calm down, its not that hard. I have one of each class with 214 hero points, it took me like 2 weeks to get every class like that. While you’re all on the forums complaining you could easily spend the next 2 weeks preparing instead. Or you can spend the next 2 weeks complaining and have to do it at launch.

Simple question for you to answer. Are you a WvW player? Sure if all you do is PvE you will have all your HPs no problem, but most WvW players won’t. Especially if they have alts that they play with any kind of consistency. Now if they allowed WvW players to use rank points similar to how they allow HP we would be fine with it, but atm rank points are useless for most WvW players(already maxed everything out), and as soon as they devalue the WvW skills they will be even more useless.

A lot of players have already dumped hero points into specializations and don’t want to have to farm open world content in order to play the new specializations. How about making Hero Points purchasable through means such as spirit shards or fractal relics, e.g 10 spirit shards = 1 hero point or 100 fractal relics = 1 hero point. This would give players alternative ways of achieving hero points whilst still playing and promoting content. Other examples could include Karma even

Yeah something needs to be done to make this system flexible for all players. There is enough grind already.

Also, the “but how will players learn their specialization” argument is out the window with the introduction of tomes for core professions.

I have one level 80 pve/wvw toon with all completions and have a few more 80s that I will only use in wvw, so I’d prefer not to slog through a hundred hours of pve to unlock these “leet” specs.

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

How is being able to unlock an “elite” spec easier any different than using tomes to “unlock” a lvl 80 elementalist that someone has never played before?

There will be hundreds of thousands lvl 80 revenants fifteen minutes into launch so your point is moot.

Never said anything about exotics, besides, as a vet I can have full ascended gear right away on a toon that I never played… Also, a new player can buy gems and convert to gold, lvl to 80 by crafting and have a full set of exotics in a couple hours without leaving home base…

Sorry but the thousands of wvw players with multiple characters are not going to have fun “unlocking” stuff outside of wvw. There needs to be alternative routes.

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

It’s hardly free if it requires items such as fractal relics or dungeon tokens because it requires players to actually work at the content within the game. I think it is harsh to force players into grinding for an elite specialization if they really hate the content

Painbow.6059:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

It’s hardly free if it requires items such as fractal relics or dungeon tokens because it requires players to actually work at the content within the game. I think it is harsh to force players into grinding for an elite specialization if they really hate the content

Yeah, yellow misses the point completely…

Painbow.6059:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

It’s hardly free if it requires items such as fractal relics or dungeon tokens because it requires players to actually work at the content within the game. I think it is harsh to force players into grinding for an elite specialization if they really hate the content

Same as crafting a precursor will now force people to do PvP, even if they hate it.

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Painbow.6059:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

It’s hardly free if it requires items such as fractal relics or dungeon tokens because it requires players to actually work at the content within the game. I think it is harsh to force players into grinding for an elite specialization if they really hate the content

Same as crafting a precursor will now force people to do PvP, even if they hate it.

Or not, since the mats are tradable.

Man, I read all this stuff about how GW2 is so hard and grindy and whatnot, and then I think about all those old Nintendo games I played without a Game Genie.

But I actually agree with this. Wallet warriors should be allowed to be wallet warriors. Their rampant impatience and marked distaste for earning anything in a game is quite a positive revenue stream, and anything that puts more money into the pocket of the developer is OK by me because most developers tend to use that extra money to create more content.

So, yes. Let the whales breach! Let them buy past the time gate! Let them buy all the upgraded gear and skills they like.

It’s not like it’ll make ’em better players, but it might make for a game with more stuff! -Sid

You still do not have to wear ascended armor or craft a legendary to participate in new end-game content. No one is “forcing” players to do something they do not want. All of the new collectibles are unnecessary and fully optional.

I agree with OP, would be nice not to have to farm HP’s. With OP’s suggestion you will still have to put effort, but just in different areas of the game

HI!
This is a great idea as role player I don’t do events and map completion that break my immersion I would love to play tempest in DR, but I don’t have enough hero points so I would agree with you painbow, I would like to spend some of my 20k karma I have. Thank you for posting your great ideas you are an inspiration to as all, god bless you sir and whole RP community ! long live the queen !

PatrioT.3927:

HI!
This is a great idea as role player I don’t do events and map completion that break my immersion I would love to play tempest in DR, but I don’t have enough hero points so I would agree with you painbow, I would like to spend some of my 20k karma I have. Thank you for posting your great ideas you are an inspiration to as all, god bless you sir and whole RP community ! long live the queen !

What? Karma?! Nonononono. You want in but don’t want to do the content?

Credit card, please. -Sid

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

So how bout those “noobs” that WvW the vast majority of their playtime? How bout those “noobs” with well over 4,100 hours in the game that have 15 character slots filled with 80s. HP are fundamentally PvE. There are very few available on WvW maps, and tbh I’ve spent the last 5 days grinding HP, and it’s mind numbing.

A quest I’m fine with. An event I’m fine with. Letting us use WvW rank points to substitute for HP I’m fine with. Grinding weeks to unlock elite specs on the 5 characters I want to continue with….not really fine with it.

Kaiser.9873:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

So how bout those “noobs” that WvW the vast majority of their playtime? How bout those “noobs” with well over 4,100 hours in the game that have 15 character slots filled with 80s. HP are fundamentally PvE. There are very few available on WvW maps, and tbh I’ve spent the last 5 days grinding HP, and it’s mind numbing.

A quest I’m fine with. An event I’m fine with. Letting us use WvW rank points to substitute for HP I’m fine with. Grinding weeks to unlock elite specs on the 5 characters I want to continue with….not really fine with it.

Wvw is for noobs

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Painbow.6059:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

It’s hardly free if it requires items such as fractal relics or dungeon tokens because it requires players to actually work at the content within the game. I think it is harsh to force players into grinding for an elite specialization if they really hate the content

Same as crafting a precursor will now force people to do PvP, even if they hate it.

Or not, since the mats are tradable.

If I wanted to use real money, Yes, but I play for the fun of the game.
But now I will have to play PvP, and boy am I going to make some people mad by being the worst team player in PvP history. They wreak the game for me…………………..

Anchoku.8142:

You still do not have to wear ascended armor or craft a legendary to participate in new end-game content. No one is “forcing” players to do something they do not want. All of the new collectibles are unnecessary and fully optional.

I agree with you somewhat , but try getting into raids with exotic gear. Also if you want to be as good as your individual skill allows in wvw then exotics are not for you.

I don’t have a problem running around and grabbing hero points, but I like pve so it’s not a big deal for me, especially since it won’t take very long to get what I need so I don’t consider it grindy: but I can also See it from the point of view of someone who hates pve and doesn’t want to spend any time doing it.

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

Donari! The plan for the new run is Bloodtide Coast → Sparkfly Fen → Straits of Devastation → Mount Maelstrom….for now =)

Swagger.1459:

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

That is the amount data minded. I completely agree, I wish to play druid, reaper and chrono but i seriously can’t be bothered to grind out all those hero points. It’s essentially grind gating players from content which they have been hyping for ages. Very bad move unless they implement a system to getting hero points alternatively.

Painbow.6059:

Swagger.1459:

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

That is the amount data minded. I completely agree, I wish to play druid, reaper and chrono but i seriously can’t be bothered to grind out all those hero points. It’s essentially grind gating players from content which they have been hyping for ages. Very bad move unless they implement a system to getting hero points alternatively.

Yeah I just looked that up. I’ll be able to do it on my main because I have the points, but I’m not running around maps again on the rest.

xarallei.4279:

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

Yes, exactly. I’m not even a WvW player, but I have at least one of every class, a few of which were leveled with tomes. I don’t really want to have to grind out the same path of Hero Points and/or HoT content like 9+ separate times… :/

I NEED 170?? Just to be playable, over 200 for other things?

How?! It looks like there are only 189 Hero Challenges on the world map! https://i.gyazo.com/3ec37284b0d3bb2cb4ff580d786060e9.png

I REALLY don’t want to explore the entire world 5 times for my new characters.

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Painbow.6059:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I meant ascended gear not exotic sorry. My point remains the same though. I know there will be loads of revenants 5 mins after launch. That does not change a thing. I don’t see why someone who lvl’d legit way and did world exploration should be on par with a 5min old character.

Also sorry but if you wanna have 10 characters with unlocked elite specs, you should work for it. Like the PvE players had to go through WvW maps for world completion and like PvP players had to go through PvE to get a decent looking appearance.

Again this is not an FPS game no matter how much players who log in once in a blue moon to look in the sky& stars want it to be.

No I don’t support the typical MMO grind where you have to go through the same content for 1 million times in order to get end-game stuff, but I don’t support giving everything for free either.

It’s hardly free if it requires items such as fractal relics or dungeon tokens because it requires players to actually work at the content within the game. I think it is harsh to force players into grinding for an elite specialization if they really hate the content

Same as crafting a precursor will now force people to do PvP, even if they hate it.

Or not, since the mats are tradable.

If I wanted to use real money, Yes, but I play for the fun of the game.
But now I will have to play PvP, and boy am I going to make some people mad by being the worst team player in PvP history. They wreak the game for me…………………..

Or you could just sell your excess WvW mats to those that prefer not to play that mode. /shrug

I don’t want to complete it at all, been playing since beta, have all classes to 80, most are less then 10% map completion. I have no desire to wander around doing the joke that is open world PvE in this game.

This Yellow guy … lol, so by definition running around the world interacting will a node or killing a random scripted mob that can be defeated blindfolded is what makes you a skilled player or the opposite of a nub.

This is why people roll their eyes at PvE players, people like you give them a bad name because you’re so out of touch with reality.

Oh and for the record, you don’t need to do WvW for map completion, you guys cried waterfalls of tears and Anet gave you your way, but ya just ignore that fact while telling WvW players that they should have to do PvE.

Actually I agree that pure WvWers should have something that takes a comparable amount of time/effort to that required for PvE HP unlocks to get their HP (it’s far more a time issue than effort, really). I further feel that it should be something dedicated WvWers have already done some of. After all, we PvE’rs have had oodles of warning to go out and slowly gather HP at our leisure, pain though it is as the number of alts rises. Sure, it could turn out that we didn’t need to do that (cue unhappy postings) but at least we’ve had some general idea of what to do and even without dedicating ourselves to the process we’ve got a number of HP under our belts just from roaming the PvE maps.

So yes, I am happy WvW got removed from world completion (it helped the WvWers too, y’know, not having people using map slots up without helping the fight), and I hope WvWers can advance in their chosen game area. But I will point out that one reason to dislike the WvW experience is the derision PvPers aim at those who prefer cooperation over combat. So maybe you can stop the scorn and just accept that different people have different ways they like to play the game?

Swagger.1459:

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

haha, and that doesn’t even include the optional armor things for each spec. That brings it up to something like 250 hp according to the data mine. But at least that stuff isn’t necessary. But yeah, the 170 is to get the elite spec alone which is pretty outrageous. If it was account bound I don’t think I’d mind, but it isn’t. So you have to run around on each character. AND that’s not the only thing, rumor has it you might have to do some kind of collection thing in pve first before even being able to put hero points toward your elite. Though I think that’s heavy speculation because someone noticed some sort of elite spec collection during beta. And because they said this in their final countdown post:

“overcoming challenges in the jungle to unlock your elite specialization”

So that makes it sound like not only do we have to deal with hero points, but some other thing as well. -_-

Random.4691:

I don’t want to complete it at all, been playing since beta, have all classes to 80, most are less then 10% map completion. I have no desire to wander around doing the joke that is open world PvE in this game.

Pretty much.

I have 23 level 80s and I’m really not looking forward to the task ahead given 95% of my time is spent in PvP and WvW.

If they could make alternative methods of acquisition via WvW & PvP i think it would be reasonable.

Hero points are meant to be a limited resource, so anything that allows you to farm them isn’t going to happen. Next expansion for example, you’re going to have to play through the new zones to gather hero points in order to unlock the specialization. This is comparable to leveling through an expansion in other MMOs, though oddly, GW2 has the less casual implementation.

Only WvW could really get an alternative method by simply offering a secondary WvW-only build. For a general solution, they could sell hero challenges like how GW1 had skill books. The gem store would be the obvious choice, but then why not sell levels, waypoints, etc.

Simplest solution is to allow us to buy hero points with spirit shards.

Healix.5819:

Hero points are meant to be a limited resource, so anything that allows you to farm them isn’t going to happen. Next expansion for example, you’re going to have to play through the new zones to gather hero points in order to unlock the specialization. This is comparable to leveling through an expansion in other MMOs, though oddly, GW2 has the less casual implementation.

Only WvW could really get an alternative method by simply offering a secondary WvW-only build. For a general solution, they could sell hero challenges like how GW1 had skill books. The gem store would be the obvious choice, but then why not sell levels, waypoints, etc.

skill points were never a limited resource, so why should hero points be? Why should players have to spend hours grinding for a specialization on multiple characters of the same boring content? (yes HoT exploring may be fun the first time but I highly doubt they can make map exploration fun)

Yes, let’s remove map completion for these optional legendaries and make every hero “challenge” mandatory for elites…

While we are needing to run around anyway, how about restricting access to raids and make it is so waypoint completion rewards players a “gift of raids” to unlock them…

Hi all,

Can you tell me how many hero points are required to unlock all traits and skills for the new specialisations?

I’ve heard unconfirmed reports of 170?

I’d like to know the actual figure to avoid disappointment on HoT’s release as I’d like to jump right into playing with my reaper, scrapper etc…

Thanks!

xarallei.4279:

Swagger.1459:

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

haha, and that doesn’t even include the optional armor things for each spec. That brings it up to something like 250 hp according to the data mine. But at least that stuff isn’t necessary. But yeah, the 170 is to get the elite spec alone which is pretty outrageous. If it was account bound I don’t think I’d mind, but it isn’t. So you have to run around on each character. AND that’s not the only thing, rumor has it you might have to do some kind of collection thing in pve first before even being able to put hero points toward your elite. Though I think that’s heavy speculation because someone noticed some sort of elite spec collection during beta. And because they said this in their final countdown post:

“overcoming challenges in the jungle to unlock your elite specialization”

So that makes it sound like not only do we have to deal with hero points, but some other thing as well. -_-

That would be interesting. If all of your characters could contribute HPs. I have about 850 HPs between all my characters but none are at the 170 (and the 250 is impossible).

What constantly annoys me are the ‘170 HPs are not big deal’ people. Sure, if you foolishly unlocked all of the skills and traits when given the exact # of HPs to do so and before the 170 was datamined. Or maybe if you have every single HP in the game. HPs basically come in two varieties: ‘this is boring but I will need to grind it on all my characters anyway’ or ‘we who are about to die several times (and still be bored) salute you’.

I have read of unconfirmed reports of up to 250. So it could be more or less; no official mention has been made.

And, for all we know, in addition it may be required to complete the expansion to actually unlock the specializations ( dev post about “unlocking your elite specialization in the jungle”….could mean several things).

Personally, I have one character I just hate anymore. An accumulation of changes to the profession totally killed it for me. I don’t play it all anymore; the fun is completely gone.

The new spec might revive it for me, but I absolutely will not trudge through the expansion on it. At most…I would stomach the distaste of obtaining more HP’s for it, but even that has it’s limits. Playing it as it is, is just misery.

So, in my case, if the expansion does not let me rescue/salvage this 1 character simply through HP’s, I won’t be getting it.

I do expect that we will have to go through the expansion in addition to spending an unknown number of HP though. As of now, I just plan to play the game without the expansion.

They have been very vague and tight-lipped on the subject.

Menadena.7482:

xarallei.4279:

Swagger.1459:

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

haha, and that doesn’t even include the optional armor things for each spec. That brings it up to something like 250 hp according to the data mine. But at least that stuff isn’t necessary. But yeah, the 170 is to get the elite spec alone which is pretty outrageous. If it was account bound I don’t think I’d mind, but it isn’t. So you have to run around on each character. AND that’s not the only thing, rumor has it you might have to do some kind of collection thing in pve first before even being able to put hero points toward your elite. Though I think that’s heavy speculation because someone noticed some sort of elite spec collection during beta. And because they said this in their final countdown post:

“overcoming challenges in the jungle to unlock your elite specialization”

So that makes it sound like not only do we have to deal with hero points, but some other thing as well. -_-

That would be interesting. If all of your characters could contribute HPs. I have about 850 HPs between all my characters but none are at the 170 (and the 250 is impossible).

What constantly annoys me are the ‘170 HPs are not big deal’ people. Sure, if you foolishly unlocked all of the skills and traits when given the exact # of HPs to do so and before the 170 was datamined. Or maybe if you have every single HP in the game. HPs basically come in two varieties: ‘this is boring but I will need to grind it on all my characters anyway’ or ‘we who are about to die several times (and still be bored) salute you’.

I have 170 hero points just from playing the game. What are you doing so completely wrong that you’re having a hard time getting hero points?

No, really. This I gotta hear.

Sidenti.6035:

Menadena.7482:

xarallei.4279:

Swagger.1459:

xarallei.4279:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If players wanna “lvl” their characters via 5k tomes, fine by me, but don’t demand everything. Elite specs should not be easy to unlock.

I for one would not wanna see every “n00b” unlocking the elite spec of his class in 5 seconds…

First you don’t wanna “grind” for exotic armor, then you don’t wanna “grind” for Hero Points, then…

I’m sorry you can’t have it all from the moment you logged in. This is not an FPS game. It’s extremely casual friendly as it is already, don’t ridicule it…

This attitude is very anti-WvW. Many of us leveled our characters in WvW and have characters that are pretty much exclusive to WvW. There should be a way to obtain hero points in WvW. Not to mention it’s going to be hell for those with tons of alts.

I find it weird that Anet said in the last Guild Chat that they understand doing certain things like world exploration over and over again on alts is a huge chore. That is the reason they eliminated it from the requirements for the new legendaries. But here they are making things miserable with this 170 point hero point requirement to unlock elite specs. If I have to do that on my main, fine I’ll do it. But having to do it for every single alt character is very miserable.

170?? what the …. Are you ……. serious? My main is ok, but there is no way I’m running through pve maps again with the rest of my 4 alts to achieve 680 hero points.

haha, and that doesn’t even include the optional armor things for each spec. That brings it up to something like 250 hp according to the data mine. But at least that stuff isn’t necessary. But yeah, the 170 is to get the elite spec alone which is pretty outrageous. If it was account bound I don’t think I’d mind, but it isn’t. So you have to run around on each character. AND that’s not the only thing, rumor has it you might have to do some kind of collection thing in pve first before even being able to put hero points toward your elite. Though I think that’s heavy speculation because someone noticed some sort of elite spec collection during beta. And because they said this in their final countdown post:

“overcoming challenges in the jungle to unlock your elite specialization”

So that makes it sound like not only do we have to deal with hero points, but some other thing as well. -_-

That would be interesting. If all of your characters could contribute HPs. I have about 850 HPs between all my characters but none are at the 170 (and the 250 is impossible).

What constantly annoys me are the ‘170 HPs are not big deal’ people. Sure, if you foolishly unlocked all of the skills and traits when given the exact # of HPs to do so and before the 170 was datamined. Or maybe if you have every single HP in the game. HPs basically come in two varieties: ‘this is boring but I will need to grind it on all my characters anyway’ or ‘we who are about to die several times (and still be bored) salute you’.

I have 170 hero points just from playing the game. What are you doing so completely wrong that you’re having a hard time getting hero points?

No, really. This I gotta hear.

Assuming you already have spent all of them with the patch in June, the only way to get them is open world hero points for map completion. Most people find the open world very boring, easy and a waste of time since it provides nothing challenging whilst offering very little in the way of loot. So essentially unless you have done map completion on all your characters the hero point system is going to be a massive pain in the kitten . And the majority of players have NOT done map completion on the majority of their characters because its a waste of time unless you want shinies.

Maybe an HP respec would soften the blow for some?

Pain in the kitten yes but not impossible. And I guess I am one of minority that has done map completion on the majority of my characters. 12 times to be precise and i don’t think its that bad but that is me.