Guild Wars 2

I fear that ANet will be sitting back with “Let them complain. They’re gonna buy it anyway.”

GuzziHero.2467:

Try paying €48.85 – €83.76 or €111.70. Thats what we will be paying in the UK for the 3 tiers.

I don’t get it either. ANet uses a 1 to 1 conversion from $ to €. I paid 100€ for the Ultimate yet it should have been 89€ if we go by todays conversion rate.

Kitsune.1902:

Keira Wildflower.7304:

Reread what I said. It states that it is indeed the same value since Anet is giving away the Core game for $10, where that is the price of a new character slot. Tow bundles aimed at two different types of people. I fully believe in supporting additional content. I do not believe in screwing over Veteran Players over something as trivial as not having a couple additional bundles.

I have no use for an extra character slot however. Already have one reserved for trying out revenant, and I could easily clear out a second one any time.

You don’t have uses for one, but many a player has. The content of the expansion isn’t worth 50 dollars/euros for me, at best 35. Adding a character slot would at least make the punch in the guts sufferable, like an Ice Bucket Challenge done for the game’s future.

Galen Grey.4709:

serenke.4806:

darkdomino.9578:

Europeans pay more because you have VAT.

No, that’s not the reason. Us europeans have different VAT in different countries, yet we pay the same.

Thats because what companies generally do is register a european hq and charge vat based on the location where the company reside. I do believe the EU is trying to change that.

That already changed from the 1st of January this year.

BEFORE PRE-PURCHASE ANNOUNCEMENT
http://web.archive.org/web/20150401200009/https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ
Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

AFTER PRE-PURCHASE ANNOUNCEMENT
https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ
Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes, but Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns includes the Guild Wars 2 core game.

Sneaky FAQ Edit. Thanks Anet for lying to us

I would not buy this even if they offered the deluxe edition for the price of the standard one to existing players.

Giland.4507:

So which of your characters will you delete to play the Revenant? Or will you purchase the deluxe so you can get the extra slot or pay for the gems to get it. Existing player are not getting same value in fact in most cases are being forced to spent more.

This. Plus, some people are noting that on some accounts there are issues with deleting characters to free up slots, so even the “free” slot route isn’t an option for everyone.

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

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Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

It’s a sad day to see a pretty good game go down becouse of greedy management. Again.
How many times have we seen this already?

I redeemed the HoT code on my current account. There are no separate codes, it appears if you redeem the code on your existing account you do not get another “free” copy of the base game.

This is highly misleading, unless someone from ANet wishes to explain to me how to start another account from a code that has already been redeemed.

If not, and I suspect as such, then that’s BS. The news and order pages should be updated to state that you do not get a free copy of the base game if you activate HoT on a pre-existing account. It means that veteran players are indeed getting screwed; those of us that have an account already will pay whatever we paid for the game originally ($60 in my case) plus $50 for the expansion and no additional account. That brings my total up to $110.

New players get both the base game and the expansion for $50. Wow.

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

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Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

Indeed, and I can’t understand why people can’t see the problem here.

ANet are NOT charging $50 for a copy of HotT alone. They are hiding the cost of buying the core game in the cost of a relatively small expansion, then saying it’s a freebie.That hidden cost extends to EVERY PLAYER, new or old, whether you have the base game or not.

They also used a HIGHLY UNETHICAL (bordering on illegal, but not quite) marketing tactic to get people to buy the base game prior to announcing the pre-purchase by not revealing that they would be including the base game with the expansion. They purposefully withheld that information from their FAQ and on the day they released the pre-purchase they changed the FAQ to hide the fact that they’d been intentionally tricking and deceiving consumers into buy the base game.

That harsh fact is this: ArenaNet are engaging in anti-consumer practices to increase their margins, and they’re doing so with impunity. They clearly have a legal team that’s very good at avoiding actually crossing the line of legality, but they’re flown very, very close on several occasions.

And I fail to see why anyone would give a company like that any of their hard earned money.

Galen Grey.4709:

This is getting rediculous

I mean seriously what exactly would have changed for anyone?
seriously how did this effect you exactly?

You paid $50 or whatever at HoT announce for base gw2 (because its needed to play HoT), and now have to pay another $50-$100. If you are new player buying this HoT deal it only costs $50-$100

Total – $50-$100 vs $100-$150

Unless they decided today this was the new deal, they must have known earlier – but continued to sell copies, knowing a free copy was going to be included.

Like OP said – shady.

they could’ve at least made a separate expansion pack with out the core game content and sold it cheaper for the veteran players…

Damian Vryce.9417:

Leo G.4501:

nerevar.6247:

Zlosnica.8936:

The thing is you aren’t paying for much, new specs and that’s pretty much it, untill those new specs are being ballanced you can catch flies with your tongue, and watch your money go to waste., you are not paying for something tested and working properly which is something common for MMO’s. This price is ridiculous, is this EA or Ubisoft, with their upcomming DLC’s? Ask yourself that question. This is why GW2 was never popular outside NA/EU. Korean market holds the biggest MMO’s and you know why? They hold a value, this is money milking, once again ask yourselves for what changes you are paying and here its not a question of being a fan of the game or not, its about the value that you are paying for and what you are geting out of it, which is nothing except more unballanced classes and months of QQ post’s in forums about stuff. It happened before it will happen again.

“Korean market holds the biggest MMO’s and you know why? They hold a value”

That right there just killed it for me. Korean MMO’s are so good that they all end up being P2W and a huge Grindfest for BIS Gear .

Yup, people are being huge hypocrites. On one hand, they scoff at P2W MMOs that nickle and dime you for much less effort in content generation but on the other hand, praise such tactics and take offense to a company trying to make a cash return after giving its players a means of never needing to spend a dime to get access to everything the game has to offer.

You’re not just paying for HoT, you’re also paying for the elite specialization system that will continue to be expanded upon ON TOP of not having to spend anything else for any further released non-expansion content.

I have some clay to sell you, some time in the future I might turn it into a house.

There are a million better ways to make money of a playerbase and expand it. It’s just Anet doesn’t give a crap, because it would involve, gosh, actual work. This expansion is way to light on content to justify this price. They’ve said it themselves already. There won’t be a lot of real content it will mostly be features.

I might actually take your opinion on the matter if you had any inkling of a clue how much content was in the expansion.

You’ve yet to come to terms with these facts:
-You don’t know how much content is in it yet.
-You don’t know what plans they have for continued additions once the expansion is released.
-You don’t know how prices will change for other features/options.

You just don’t know but that won’t stop the majority from wildly speculating they are being scammed. I have no problem with people speculating. Just understand that that is what you’re doing, that’s all.

-1
Not interested in character slot. I have eight of them, and two are useless already. I’ve suggested it before, I’ll point it out here too – I’d rather take that in gems so I can pick myself where to use the bonus.

I think you’re missing something important here: you’re complaining about having a useless base game bundled as the only option – but an extra character slot can be equally useless for many players, like myself.

Some are willing to pay others won’t be.There isn’t anything wrong with that.For 3 years i have spend only 100$ on GW2 compared to my 4 years in WoW that is just nothing.So basically for people like me what Anet are doing with HoT is not a problem and won’t be.

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

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Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

I think the argument is that this ‘expansion’ is nowhere near worth 50 dollars and I will not be buying it.

Also, the ridiculous white-knighting by two users in this thread makes my day. Whole bullpen at the bank heard me laugh thanks to you, boys.

NEOCROM.8957:

Think then about ppl who bought the game 2 weeks ago for example, what about them? They need to pay again for core game if they want HoT. What Anet is doing is just wrong and unfair.

I’m pretty sure they’re giving refunds to players that purchase the game within a certain time period before the HoT pre-purchase. They only need to submit a ticket under ‘purchase issue’ https://help.guildwars2.com/anonymous_requests/new

NEOCROM.8957:

Let’s talk about free MMORPG that gives alot of content and events, what about that? You paid 50$ for the game, they need to give us alot of content and event, simple. Not selling a 20$ expansion at a 50$ price.

And for the last 2.5 years Anet did give us a ton of content, you may not have been around for it or may have just forgotten. Check attachment to see a lil tid bit of just year one. Like i said, I’ve accumulated over 3000 hours of play easy on GW2. And as for FREE mmorpg’s I’d like some examples from your end that can really compare to GW2. Or are you a troll?

I totally agree as I got nine full character slots , six 80es and three 60es.
I have been playing since GW1 and I’m proud of that. Adding 800 gems to the standard version ( we can decide whether to buy a character slot or something else ) will calm all of us down so we would pay 50$ instead of 60$

I don’t care if it’s cheap or expensive, the point is that I don’t want to pay for something I already own.

erm even Warlords of Draenor (last WoW addon) was 40+ Euro AND you had to pay a 15 Euro (?) sub each month. So please don’t be unfair. 50 Euro for the expansion allone would be totally fine IF (!!!!!!) there was a free character slot included. Which is not, so it’s not fine. Really can’t believe how you could ship out a new expansion with a new class but without additional free character slot in the base version of the expansion.

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

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Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

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BadMed.3846:

Pretty much a slap on the face of existing loyal players. You have the game? Pay for it again it you want expansion. Absolute Rip-Off.

It would make sense even if it was like $49 for new accounts and $29 for existing.

You don’t do that reading thing, do you? There’s already been multiple posts stating that the expansion would have cost that much -anyway-. The core game being free for new people is -just- a freebie. Get over it.

clearly thats not how it works, fail marketing is fail marketing

Lagg.3960:

I’m okay with paying $50 if I get an additional character slot.

Right now, no way. This is borderline theft.

Yea not adding a character slot is just……I don’t have words

indelible.5928:

darkdomino.9578:

Gotta love fanboys… Telling someone one thing and then behind their backs doing another isn’t LYING. Right guys? Right??

Hahaha

I’d argue that it runs very, very close to being a bait-and-switch scheme.

1) Bait new customers to pay the premium for the base game by telling them they’ll need it to play the expansion, but withhold the information that the expansion will include the base game;

2) Switch the base game out for the expansion, and on the day of pre-purchase release change the relevant information to include the previously withheld information pertaining to the base game being included in the purchase of the expansion.

Bait-and-switch.

Actually illegal.

Well done, ANet ^^

You do realise if what you’re descibing actually qualified as bait and switch then absolutely every discount would be considered as such!

First you get me to pay full prize then without informing me first that down the line you offer it for 75% less?

Bait and switch works exactly the opposite way of what you descibe.

IE it would have been bait and switch if the said that you dont need the core game and then once you bought the expansion they suddenly changed tune.

Nono guys you got it all wrong:

The core game is what you pay, the expansion is a FREE BONUS!

See what I did there? If you buy a bundle, you pay everything of it. I got GW2 already, I don’t need a bundle, I just need the expansion. I don’t care if it’s cheap or expensive, the point is that I don’t want to pay for something I already own.

dbgfeller.8120:

I don’t care if it’s cheap or expensive, the point is that I don’t want to pay for something I already own.

Which is?

Beryl.1493:

What ArenaNet says: The expansion costs $50 and we are adding in the core game for FREE.

What is actually happening: The expansion costs $25 but we have to pay an extra $25 on the core game which we already own.

When you look at and compare what both core game and HoT offer in terms of content, character options and gameplay mechanics, I estimate HoT would be somewhere about a third of the size.

HoT for $50: Not buying, which means Anet/NCSoft get nothing.
HoT for $25: Will buy, which means Anet/NCSoft get $25.

$25 is more than $0.

Read my post above. It appears it’s even worse: the expansion is $50, no matter what. You don’t get an extra copy of the base game. Whatever you paid already for the game, you’re going to eat that cost, the expansion is $50, and that’s that.

serenke.4806:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

But surely I should get an additional copy of the core game? If it’s a freebie.

serenke.4806:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

But it’s a freebie offered to anyone who pays $50! At least give me a new serial code for a new account! Why the distinction?

leman.7682:

I think the argument is that this ‘expansion’ is nowhere near worth 50 dollars and I will not be buying it.

Also, the ridiculous white-knighting by two users in this thread makes my day. Whole bullpen at the bank heard me laugh thanks to you, boys.

I think the argument here is actually not that because the thread is titled “49.99 to rebuy the core game?”.

I’m glad you had a good laugh because everybody needs one every now and again.

MashMash.1645:

Galen Grey.4709:

This is getting rediculous

I mean seriously what exactly would have changed for anyone?
seriously how did this effect you exactly?

You paid $50 or whatever at HoT announce for base gw2 (because its needed to play HoT), and now have to pay another $50-$100. If you are new player buying this HoT deal it only costs $50-$100

Total – $50-$100 vs $100-$150

Unless they decided today this was the new deal, they must have known earlier – but continued to sell copies, knowing a free copy was going to be included.

Like OP said – shady.

No like they stated if you just bought the game Anet will change it to a pre-purchase for you. IE not shady. I mean come on people they’re obviously doing this to entice new players why on earth would they try to double charge them, that doesnt even make sense!

Synesence.7546:

linlin.9321:

everything would be fine if anet made the standard version expansion pre-order with +1 free character slot. thats all, no whining and qq around.

The problem here is that Gaile stated these prices and packages are final, shutting down any future hope of changes. Otherwise, this wouldn’t be as bad as it is at the moment.

I honestly feel the sudden addition of preordering an unfinished expansion so soon when they’ve been so quiet about it for so long was a bad move from the start. It was impulsive, and ended up creating bigger issues than fixing them. Anet has no choice now but to announce HoT’s release date soon, seeing as the hype will die very fast if not done, which is no good seeing as all specializations (And content) aren’t revealed yet. We may, sadly, end up getting an unfinished expansion at release, which will end up disappointing alot of people.

true and this is the problem. it will be really hard, if even possible, to fix this mess around.

dbgfeller.8120:

Nono guys you got it all wrong:

The core game is what you pay, the expansion is a FREE BONUS!

See what I did there? If you buy a bundle, you pay everything of it. I got GW2 already, I don’t need a bundle, I just need the expansion. I don’t care if it’s cheap or expensive, the point is that I don’t want to pay for something I already own.

You’re not paying for a bundle. You’re paying for the expansion like everyone else.

While the addon price may or may not be justified, no one knows about the actual content amount of the package, the price tag is surprising.

Also failure to include character slot for existing customers with the base addon edition could be considered a total failure for your department that set up the various editions’ content details. If you had included a char slot and some useless virtual gimmick for upgrading customers everything would have been well.
Yet this base edition feels utterly lacking and like a major mistreat of loyal customers. It gives me the same vibes as when looking at the online-store of that other game that shares the initials of your expansion HotS.

If your pre-order offer scheme would have left me in good faith I might just happily have grabbed the big 100$$$ package and be content. Yet looking at it now I feel like someone is trying to push me into a cheap cash grab, very very bad PR/pricing/product move. So looking at the various editions, no matter which one I’d choose I’d not feel like getting something cool extra, but just like being kittened over one or the other way.

The way you have designed the expansion editions just made me rethink entirely about whether I should buy stuff form you gem store again. In the past I always did this because I felt like dealing with a fair merchant and at least most items felt like fun enough for supporting the game dev this way. Seeing that even at 50$ the base upgrade does not include what an upgrading player would need to properly play the content (character slot) I feel like dealing with a merchant that simply tries to play game addiction and impulse buying to max profit, which puts your offers on par with the bad taste of mobile-rip-off-pay2wins or EA’s/Ubi’s 60$ game + 60$ DLC for full game foul schemes.

Congratulations on ruining your so far rather good standing as an ingame shop based game developer.

Today was a very sad day for me as a long time arenanet/gw fanboy.
:(

you can totallt make the exp and core game package be like 5~10 dollars more then the exp and no one would be complaining and you can make more mone..

Rebound.3409:

@evilunderling so you are basing a price on a fictive, unproven value that might or might not come. So you are basically gambling?

A game purchase can be more or less informed, but it’s always going to be a form of speculation.

Zoid.2568:

Axelwarrior.9084:

The expansion being expensive is a whole different topic to it including the core game.
If you want to pay less, then I guess wait a year or so until the price drops.

Get the kitten out kittening fanboy scum. ArenaNet are lying and overpricing their game, don’t you see it.

Then don’t buy it.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.

“You’re going to love this new used car, it’ll really give you a bang for your buck, and because I like you so much, I’ll throw the floor mats in for free. What do you say? Are you ready to drive out of here in your new used car today?”

NEOCROM.8957:

Think then about ppl who bought the game 2 weeks ago for example, what about them? They need to pay again for core game if they want HoT. What Anet is doing is just wrong and unfair.
Let’s talk about free MMORPG that gives alot of content and events, what about that? You paid 50$ for the game, they need to give us alot of content and event, simple. Not selling a 20$ expansion at a 50$ price.

The thing is, we don’t know it’s a $20 expac. We don’t know it’s kitten expac. We just don’t know.

All i was saying early is that they have my trust. They price it at $50 then I will pay it. It’s their product and I value it.

I didn’t play GW1 but lots in my guild did and as far as i can tell they have never really failed with an expac before.

Uproller.1849:

serenke.4806:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

But it’s a freebie offered to anyone who pays $50! At least give me a new serial code for a new account! Why the distinction?

If you are so inclined to have the freebie than purchase the expansion for a new account and you will have access to the core game + expansion on it. Like I Said you’re paying for the expansion nothing more. Unless if you decide to get the more expensive packs.

Getting new players into the game is important for the life of the game.

I have a friend who wanted to get into gw2 but didnt want to have to pay for the core game and the expac just to get into it, which is understandable.

Now he can get both and join the community.

The expac is priced fiarly even for just an expac. yet alone one for a game without a subfee.

Entenkommando.5208:

Thatsecret.3206:

Ok! If I understand carefully what you guys are saying, the cost is too much and the content not enough. Care to remind you guys that the game is a non subscribe game. And one expansion on 3 years for 50$ and you guy are freaking out? As I recall, most of the game now that are either paid to play or on consoles requires you to buy multiple expansion for 30$ on one year only. But hey one xpac for 50$ over 3 years is way more worth then you think boyz. Unhappy, quit whinning like baby and delete the game!

Exactly. People always forget about all the FREE content they recieved besides the 50$ core game.
So let’s say the expansion is worth 25$.
You pay another 25$ for having the living story and newcomers pay another 25$ for the core game.
Looks fair to me.

So you’re saying that it’s fair for Anet to charge that much for the expansion as we’ll be paying them back for LS Season 1 that new players won’t have access to? That having them give us content over the years is something we should compensate them for at that packaged price, even though they we’ve already been supporting it through the Gem Store?

I’m…not following you here.

Guys, there’s a term “Time value of money.” At its most basic level it means that money now is worth more than money later. Similarly, getting into an MMO at the ground level is worth more than getting into it later. You’ve had much more time to play the game and many more opportunities to progress than new players.

Let’s say that back when GW2 first came out, you went to buy it and were given an offer. You can buy the game now at full price and play it, OR wait for three years and you’ll get the game for free when you buy the expansion. I guarantee most if not all of you would have went with the buy now option. The core game was worth more when it came out than it is now. The new players are not getting a better deal than you.

btw im not buying that price if the exp is not atleast half as big as the core game(launch state)

If think about this, arena.net selling original game + free expansion for new players from this moment. Is it what they wanted? Free expansion?

I agree with the OP. With that price tag I am going to compare HoT with the base game I bought years ago and it seems this time I will be getting a fraction of content for the same price. Or that is my opinion from the information we got this far.

The difference in the treatment of old and new players is not helping either.

“free bonus” aka they want to get 50$ for a 10$ expasion but it needs to look good

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

serenke.4806:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

But it’s a freebie offered to anyone who pays $50! At least give me a new serial code for a new account! Why the distinction?

If you are so inclined to have the freebie purchase the expansion for a new account and you will have access to the core game + expansion on it.

There. I rest my case.