Guild Wars 2

As much as I like Trahearne’s character (as opposed to most GW2’s characters) I think it would be a nice finale of his story if it turned out that after the Pact fleet’s crash we know nothing about him for a while only to find out later that he got corrupted by Mordremoth and became his lieutenant, leading a new army of mordrem sylvari. And at some point in the personal story we would get to kill him. What do you guys think?

Lurker.3609:

As much as I like Trahearne’s character (as opposed to most GW2’s characters) I think it would be a nice finale of his story if it turned out that after the Pact fleet’s crash we know nothing about him for a while only to find out later that he got corrupted by Mordremoth and became his lieutenant, leading a new army of mordrem sylvari. And at some point in the living story we would get to kill him. What do you guys think?

corrupted trahaerne would be too op. Have you seen caledbog? We could never win.

Lurker.3609:

What do you guys think?

Well, if they do run with this story, thanks for the spoiler dude! :p

I kinda hope not, i like Trahearne always have even when he was so bland to listen to. plus he has Caledbog and is the closest first born to the pale tree(guessing as he was chosen to be her champion), if anything id say hes the one least likely to get corrupted.

I want to kill Caithe

Dante.1763:

plus he has Caledbog and is the closest first born to the pale tree(guessing as he was chosen to be her champion), if anything id say hes the one least likely to get corrupted.

That’s the beauty of it, it would show that no sylvari is really safe from Mordremoth’s reach. The hero that saved Tyria from Zhaitan only to serve another dragon now – it’s tragic and beautiful. It would be kind of a plot twist that I honestly missed in GW2’s personal story and something I really enjoyed in GW1, such as Vizier Khilbron turning out to be Undead Lich.

Lurker.3609:

Dante.1763:

plus he has Caledbog and is the closest first born to the pale tree(guessing as he was chosen to be her champion), if anything id say hes the one least likely to get corrupted.

That’s the beauty of it, it would show that no sylvari is really safe from Mordremoth’s reach. The hero that saved Tyria from Zhaitan only to serve another dragon now – it’s tragic and beautiful. It would be kind of a plot twist that I honestly missed in GW2’s personal story and something I really enjoyed in GW1, such as Vizier Khilbron turning out to be Undead Lich.

It’s a possibility, but then they’d have to find a new leader for the Pact, and most people won’t want that responsibility, or will argue because they’d be biased to a faction. kind of like this forum As interesting as this story might be, I doubt Trahearne will turn. Besides, who says we need to end his story so soon?

Lurker.3609:

Dante.1763:

plus he has Caledbog and is the closest first born to the pale tree(guessing as he was chosen to be her champion), if anything id say hes the one least likely to get corrupted.

That’s the beauty of it, it would show that no sylvari is really safe from Mordremoth’s reach. The hero that saved Tyria from Zhaitan only to serve another dragon now – it’s tragic and beautiful. It would be kind of a plot twist that I honestly missed in GW2’s personal story and something I really enjoyed in GW1, such as Vizier Khilbron turning out to be Undead Lich.

No it would be to obvious, i KNEW Vizier Khilbron was a baddie the moment i spotted him, and when everyone else in my family was feeling betrayed when he turned out to be the lich, i was laughing because i was right! Plus hes in the personal story and if i do recall correctly, they wont kill off characters from the personal story in living story episodes so it doesnt cause confusion among newer players, and that thinking may carry over to the expansions too.

But hey, who knows! could happen, i hope not! but it could!

Dante.1763:

No it would be to obvious, i KNEW Vizier Khilbron was a baddie the moment i spotted him, and when everyone else in my family was feeling betrayed when he turned out to be the lich, i was laughing because i was right! Plus hes in the personal story and if i do recall correctly, they wont kill off characters from the personal story in living story episodes so it doesnt cause confusion among newer players, and that thinking may carry over to the expansions too.

But hey, who knows! could happen, i hope not! but it could!

I made a mistake in the original post, I meant “personal story”, not “living story”. The whole topic here was meant to be about personal story only. Already edited.

I have 8 level 80s….I will only have to listen to him prattle on about Clor Island one more time. If there’s a vote, place a check mark for me to slaughter him!

Dante.1763:

No it would be to obvious, i KNEW Vizier Khilbron was a baddie the moment i spotted him…

That’s because every vizier in fiction is an evil traitor. I welcome someone presenting contradictory information to this.

Rognik.2579:

Dante.1763:

No it would be to obvious, i KNEW Vizier Khilbron was a baddie the moment i spotted him…

That’s because every vizier in fiction is an evil traitor. I welcome someone presenting contradictory information to this.

Well i know its used so much its got its own trope site!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilChancellor
So, there is that!

Does Trahearne ever show up in the persistent world or only in the story? There are many characters that I think they can’t kill off because they exist in the persistent world or as part of personal story stuff.

Mo Mo.1947:

Does Trahearne ever show up in the persistent world or only in the story? There are many characters that I think they can’t kill off because they exist in the persistent world or as part of personal story stuff.

I don’t think this is true. Lots of the personal story characters can be killed off, because they aren’t in the permanent world. Just look at the mentors: they only existed in the personal story, and they died at Claw Island. (sorry, new people, if you didn’t know this) I’m pretty sure HoT will clearly be going on after Living Story, Season 2, and thus Trahearne and all of Destiny’s Edge could be killed off. Will they is another question, one that seems doubtful.

I don’t want to kill Trahearne.

I love Trahearne.

Scoobaniec.9561:

I want to kill Caithe

I want to kill all of the Sylvari.

I’ll just leave this here.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/This-guy-1/first#post4289724

A Massive Headache.1879:

corrupted trahaerne would be too op. Have you seen caledbog? We could never win.

Considering the number of times I’ve had to rez Trahaerne, I don’t think he’d be OP. That being said, I vote No to a corrupted Trahaerne.

Scoobaniec.9561:

I want to kill Caithe

She at least needs to be held accountable for everything that has happened. Forcing us to divert from the Pact fight AND not telling Trahearne or us about the true nature of the Sylvari before the fight. She is responsible for everything.

Kodiak.3281:

Scoobaniec.9561:

I want to kill Caithe

I want to kill all of the Sylvari.

Nah. They cannot be turned by other dragons, so they should be used to fight the others.

He is the first of the Firstborn. His character fits this perfectly.

And killing corrupted champions has been done to absolute death (thanks, Blizzard). So please no…

dietzero.3514:

Scoobaniec.9561:

I want to kill Caithe

She at least needs to be held accountable for everything that has happened. Forcing us to divert from the Pact fight AND not telling Trahearne or us about the true nature of the Sylvari before the fight. She is responsible for everything.

Yes, I am annoyed that Caithe has been giving us the runaround, but if she hadn’t kept us distracted on this side mission (that is equally important to the Pact attack), we would’ve been on the airships that were destroyed. In a roundabout way, she saved us from that fate. Still not happy about it, but it’s something. And you can bet she will have a very good reason why she’s doing it.

Rognik.2579:

dietzero.3514:

Scoobaniec.9561:

I want to kill Caithe

She at least needs to be held accountable for everything that has happened. Forcing us to divert from the Pact fight AND not telling Trahearne or us about the true nature of the Sylvari before the fight. She is responsible for everything.

Yes, I am annoyed that Caithe has been giving us the runaround, but if she hadn’t kept us distracted on this side mission (that is equally important to the Pact attack), we would’ve been on the airships that were destroyed. In a roundabout way, she saved us from that fate. Still not happy about it, but it’s something. And you can bet she will have a very good reason why she’s doing it.

Not really. Sylvari would not have gone on that mission if she had just told the pact commander and her brother what she knew. Send the Sylvari pact members to hold Jormag and crystalface back, while they work out how to stop Mordremoth from mindcontrolling them. They cannot be corrupted by the other dragons, so would be great at this.

But . . . I like him.

Killing Trahearne? Repeatably? Sign me up!

Trahearne: “Commander, may I have a word?”

PC: “No!” stabs him

Trahearne: “This won’t end well.”

Scoobaniec.9561:

I want to kill Caithe

Caithe really is a piece of garbage all throughout the storyline. Even if she’s all savior of the universe protecting the egg, she is such a murderous heartless punk all throughout the sylvari storyline missions.

I didn’t find her that obnoxious going to prevent Eir from being killed in Honor of the Waves. I found her incredibly obnoxious in Twilight Arbor, however. And incredibly gullible early in her life too, apparently.

I mean, seriously, look at how long it took before she had even a bit of problem with Faolain’s little “issue”. Gah. And people call Logan the fool cluelessly in love.

Azrael.4960:

I’ll just leave this here.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/This-guy-1/first#post4289724

Hmm, i like that outcome also. However, its a bit farfetched even now. Beyond consuming magic, destroying life, then going back to sleep, we don’t know much about them at all. Let alone their motivations.

I am honestly surprised anyone likes Trahearne. If he could be killed by the hour, I would be there every time, rewards or not.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

I didn’t find her that obnoxious going to prevent Eir from being killed in Honor of the Waves. I found her incredibly obnoxious in Twilight Arbor, however. And incredibly gullible early in her life too, apparently.

I mean, seriously, look at how long it took before she had even a bit of problem with Faolain’s little “issue”. Gah. And people call Logan the fool cluelessly in love.

The Firstborn should be naive, though.

She still needs to pay.

according to personal story experience, we can res him everytime….

Maybe we can kill him res him….. loop….

Rognik.2579:

Dante.1763:

No it would be to obvious, i KNEW Vizier Khilbron was a baddie the moment i spotted him…

That’s because every vizier in fiction is an evil traitor. I welcome someone presenting contradictory information to this.

Yeah. In fairness, the instant I saw “Vizier …” I put him in the “bad guy” list. That’s Viziers for you: the nicer they seem, the more concerned they seem to be for you/the princess/the kingdom/whatever, the worse they are and all the more predictable their sudden but inevitable betrayal.

I think that the word Vizier originally meant “a despicable, complete and utter kitten” in Arabic, but the meaning was changed by one of the many evil Viziers.

I think making trahearne a bad guy would be predictable and stupid, he should already be dead from the fall or he is alive and well and uncorrupted the whole time. We don’t need another prince rurik

Ominous.7583:

We don’t need another prince rurik

Actually, I’ll take another Rurik, Khilbron, Shiro or Varesh over some annoying Taimi, Caithe, Eir etc every day of the week. But maybe it’s just me. I strongly feel that characters in GW2 lack substance, the story was SO. MUCH. BETTER. in every single campaign of GW1, including characters.

Combat log:

Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 10 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 25 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 1 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 100 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 9 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 57 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 7 damage.

If his performance in missions is to be believed.

DarkWasp.7291:

Combat log:

Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 10 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 25 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 1 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 100 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 9 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 57 damage.
Traheane hits you with [Insert Skill Here] for 7 damage.

If his performance in missions is to be believed.

This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
Seriously! It won’t!
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.
This won’t end well.

Lurker.3609:

Ominous.7583:

We don’t need another prince rurik

Actually, I’ll take another Rurik, Khilbron, Shiro or Varesh over some annoying Taimi, Caithe, Eir etc every day of the week. But maybe it’s just me. I strongly feel that characters in GW2 lack substance, the story was SO. MUCH. BETTER. in every single campaign of GW1, including characters.

I think Caithe is one of the best written characters in the GW universe, she does good things, bad things and is very mysterious which keeps you guessing if she is either good or evil.

A Massive Headache.1879:

Lurker.3609:

As much as I like Trahearne’s character (as opposed to most GW2’s characters) I think it would be a nice finale of his story if it turned out that after the Pact fleet’s crash we know nothing about him for a while only to find out later that he got corrupted by Mordremoth and became his lieutenant, leading a new army of mordrem sylvari. And at some point in the living story we would get to kill him. What do you guys think?

corrupted trahaerne would be too op. Have you seen caledbog? We could never win.

Just calling it now: he does get corrupted and its BECAUSE of Caledbolg. We know that the Pale Tree and the Sylvari were created as the dragon’s minions, and the Pale Tree gave Caledbolg out to its own champions. There is a very high chance that there will be a plot element involving this legendary sword being a more concentrated form of the Pale Tree’s (and by extention Mordremoth’s) power. The thing might even be a TOOTH of Mordremoth.

Whether we end up having to kill Trahearne or not, I fully expect that he will fall under Mordremoth’s influence at some point in the storyline. It just makes so much sense as a mid-story twist: the brightest hope turned to fight for the enemy — its a pretty pervasive trope for a reason! Redemption stories almost always make for a good read/playthrough.

Keep in mind though: there’s a part in Orr where you cleanse a corrupted Orrian chicken of Zhaitan’s influence, and some of the Sylvari are cleansed as well (Canach & players most notably atm). So even if he does turn, we may end up trying to save him via purging Mordremoth’s influence.

Killing/Corrupting Trahearne would be the most obvious thing to do. It is predictable, banal and boring. Using this kind of a “plot twist” is a bad quality content. And trolling all of “He stole my spot” haters is just too much fun, so I have faith that Anet won’t corrupt him.

But don’t you see, Trahearne has been working for Mordremoth from day 1. The dragons don’t work together, so Trahearne was programmed to get rid of Zhaitan so Mordremoth’s plans wouldn’t be interfered with by Zhaitan. Trahearne made that happen, and as the next step, led the pact forces into a trap to eliminate them to make the road clear for his master.

Nah, he will probably become the next Kormyr.

Maybe Trahearne will abandon the pact to try and save his fellow sylvari from the rest of Tyria.

And we will have to kill him for abandoning his post!

Geneaux.9547:

Azrael.4960:

I’ll just leave this here.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/This-guy-1/first#post4289724

Hmm, i like that outcome also. However, its a bit farfetched even now. Beyond consuming magic, destroying life, then going back to sleep, we don’t know much about them at all. Let alone their motivations.

Bearing in mind I wrote this coming on a year ago XD

Having Trahearne turn evil could create some interesting story development.

On one hand the story could have Trahearne actually turn evil and become a powerful Champion of Mordremoth. At the end of which we get to finally kill him.

Or another way to do it would be to have Caithe (as far as we know, an agent of Mordremoth) convince Trahearne to purposely pledge himself to Mordremoth in order to infiltrate the enemy. He would be acting as a double agent, and will use deadly force if need be, in order to convince Mordremoth of his loyalty. All the while, secretly giving the player character useful information that could ultimately end Mordremoth.

Then when the time is right, He and Caithe would turn on their “master” and fight side by side with you and redeem themselves.

meh, could be fun.

Leave Trahearne alone :-) I like his character. Just like Kormir who Brought a whole army to the dead in Nightfall with her kamikaze strategy. Still liked the character.

i hate him. I hate him because he has no life in him. The voice acting is so flat and painful to listen to that I just hate the character.

I’d love to see him dead. Just…dead.

I would be happy to kill Trahearne simply because of how annoying I find the way he says “Clahhrrr”. It’s Claw kitten it, Claw, there’s no R in the word.

Dedlaw.9130:

Killing Trahearne? Repeatably? Sign me up!

Trahearne: “Commander, may I have a word?”

PC: “No!” stabs him

Trahearne: “This won’t end well.”

You Sir (Or Madame) have with this post single handedly made my entire day, and for that I thank you. Although I must admit I probably laughed more than I should.

As for the whole discussion I agree with both sides of it. Him turning evil would be interesting, but at the same time cliche. Him coming out of it completely untainted however seems unlikely as well. I’d say it would be better to have him corrupted/controlled only briefly. Like Mordremoth compelled him do one single act strongly enough that he couldn’t fight it. Like breaking down a barrier or “opening a door” causing a flood of Mordrem to run in and massacre people.

Alternatively I really liked that suggestion about a corrupt Caladbolg; but you know it doesn’t necessarily have to be Trehearne that is corrupted. The sword could be stolen by another Sylvari in the pact, or perhaps while out in the field (probably a story ‘quest’) Trehearne is attacked by a large number of Mordrem and in the process they take the sword, corrupting it and placing it in the hands of one of Mordrem’s Champions whom we later have to fight, retrieving or breaking the sword (possibly with the power to create our own with one of the shards?).

I think I’ve heard this storyline before;

Rytlock: You must defeat him. He was seduced by the Elder Dargon Mordremoth. He has ceased to be Trahearne and become Darth Broccoli. When that happened, the good man who was our Pact Leader was destroyed.
Player Character: There is still good in him.
Rytlock: He’s more minion now than man. Twisted and evil.
Player Character: I can’t do it.
Rytlock: You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Brocolli…

Queue John Williams and the London Symphony Orchestra