Guild Wars 2

Look at FB picture. Can it be true? :P

Harhar, doubt it, looks druidy to me…but this should be interesting, no matter what it is

It’s likely Revenant related as Ventari was datamined as a legend and the quote seems to suggest Ventari.

It can also be druid specialization or Ventari legend for Revenant
edit: yep, Kaiden Valor is probably right

I’ve got two guesses:

• Druid reveal
• Ventari channel reveal for the Revenant.

Edit: Ninja’d by Mortifer and Kaiden >.<

Centaurs do not work as a playable race for a variety of reasons (skill animations, emotes, armors, swimming, jumping, lore). Besides, Anet already confirmed there will not be a new playable race this expansion.

More than likely it is either the Druid or the elite specialization of the Revenant (channeling Ventari).

My guess is it is either the rev’s specialization (ventari)….or something else relating to the ventari. I don’t see them releasing the rev’s spec before we even know about their base stuff

It could also possibly be the Druid, but that doesn’t really seem likely.

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/605403864838348800

>.< curse you! got it in before me!

“Life can be painful, but do not fear the trials you will face. Hard ground makes stronger roots.” IS a Ventari quote. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ventari

So I’m guessing we’re getting Revenant related info this week.

TheDaiBish.9735:

I’ve got two guesses:

• Druid reveal
• Ventari channel reveal for the Revenant.

Edit: Ninja’d by Mortifer and Kaiden >.<

On twitter, the image came with a quote: “Life can be painful, but do not fear the trials you will face. Hard ground makes stronger roots.”

That makes me think more likely to be Ventari than druid.

If it was druid, it would be a ranger wielding a staff, not a centaur. this info is for revenant.

It is Ventari, one of the Rev’s yet-to-be-revealed Legends.

It will also provide the Rev with much-needed mobility in combat.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

It will also provide the Rev with much-needed mobility in combat.

How do you know that? :O

DiogoSilva.7089:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

It will also provide the Rev with much-needed mobility in combat.

How do you know that? :O

Well, its a centuar for one thing, and everything related to Centuars in game is about speed…so if they keep up that theme…

Well if Crowfall can have playable centaurs then so can GW2!
But I doubt they’ll suddenly pull a centaur playable race out of nowhere. They’d have announced it at PAX.
So yeah my proverbial-money is on Revenant Legend.

Dante.1763:

DiogoSilva.7089:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

It will also provide the Rev with much-needed mobility in combat.

How do you know that? :O

Well, its a centuar for one thing, and everything related to Centuars in game is about speed…so if they keep up that theme…

I’m thinking more about a supportive legend, considering Ventari’s peaceful ideals. However, that does not excludes swiftness at all.

DiogoSilva.7089:

I’m thinking more about a supportive legend, considering Ventari’s peaceful ideals. However, that does not excludes swiftness at all.

Exactly! Hopefully has a few charge skills as well! And now we the waiting game begins T.T

I don’t think it is specialization related.

“Life can be painful, but do not fear the trials you will face. Hard ground makes stronger roots.”
Makes me think about the “Challenging content”

Belzebu.3912:

I don’t think it is specialization related.

“Life can be painful, but do not fear the trials you will face. Hard ground makes stronger roots.”
Makes me think about the “Challenging content”

I’d honestly be all for Challenging Content. Revenant is nice, but not really at the top of my lists of things I want to know.

Someone already pointed out that the ‘life can be painful’ quote is from Ventaris tablet, so odds are very high to be Revenant related

It would be very weird for them to use Ventari as a teaser for challenging content, even if people feel the quote loosely sounds like it might be related.

Look how he controlling the roots. Clearly ventari was a dragon.

Obviously Centaur lore week.

I’m thinking it might be two things. It’s definitely something to do with Ventari, what with the quote and all. I’m 99% sure that we’re learning about the Great Centaur stance for the Revenant this week but we might also get the Druid. Ventari and the whole Druid theme go hand in hand and also Gw2 said “Who said anything about Druid?” in the comments WITH A WINKY FACE AFTERWARDS. WOAH. If they wanted to rule out Druid they’d probably just say no but the winky face after might mean Druid later this week or if not, soon. Maybe Druid will be a surprise reveal on Thursday. If we got to see a teaser image we’d know right away what it is. It’s a possibility that they’ll just drop Druid on us or have a proper reveal next week. I dunno though, 1 healing skill, 3 utility skills and one elite plus possibly a new trait line for the Revenant won’t make for much of a reveal by itself.

Dante.1763:

DiogoSilva.7089:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

It will also provide the Rev with much-needed mobility in combat.

How do you know that? :O

Well, its a centuar for one thing, and everything related to Centuars in game is about speed…so if they keep up that theme…

Pretty sure I could outrun a Centaur.

Justine.6351:

Look how he controlling the roots. Clearly ventari was a dragon.

or he was a druid, which is more likely imo…

Or he’s the mentor of the Pale Tree, which would, you know, actually be what the lore says. I don’t see nearly enough thorns on those vines for them to be anything but the nicey-plants.

I do not think it will be about Druid or Revenant, because so far all the reveals have been a picture clearly dipicting a playable race as that profession/elite spec.

Because of that I think it is something different, and judging by the quote I think we will be getting some information about Anet’s plans for adding challenging content in HoT.

Rin.1046:

I do not think it will be about Druid or Revenant, because so far all the reveals have been a picture clearly dipicting a playable race as that profession/elite spec.

Because of that I think it is something different, and judging by the quote I think we will be getting some information about Anet’s plans for adding challenging content in HoT.

The artwork depicting playable races has been a trend for elite specs only, and I don’t think they will reveal revenant’s elite spec before revealing more detais about its base skills. Besides, Ventari was datamined to be one of revenant’s legends, anet’s revenant designer has been hyping up this news in his twitter as well, and ultimately, I don’t think Anet would introduce epic, challenging content with a teaser of a pacifist like Ventari.

The quote hints as much to trials as it does to supportive gameplay. It can go both ways.

CureForLiving.5360:

Well if Crowfall can have playable centaurs then so can GW2!
But I doubt they’ll suddenly pull a centaur playable race out of nowhere. They’d have announced it at PAX.
So yeah my proverbial-money is on Revenant Legend.

I would really like for you to try and imagine a centaur thief doing a death blossom…

GummiBear.2756:

CureForLiving.5360:

Well if Crowfall can have playable centaurs then so can GW2!
But I doubt they’ll suddenly pull a centaur playable race out of nowhere. They’d have announced it at PAX.
So yeah my proverbial-money is on Revenant Legend.

I would really like for you to try and imagine a centaur thief doing a death blossom…

I just imagined it. And it was kitten cool. Blades flashing, hooves striking. Awesome.

Tachenon.5270:

GummiBear.2756:

CureForLiving.5360:

Well if Crowfall can have playable centaurs then so can GW2!
But I doubt they’ll suddenly pull a centaur playable race out of nowhere. They’d have announced it at PAX.
So yeah my proverbial-money is on Revenant Legend.

I would really like for you to try and imagine a centaur thief doing a death blossom…

I just imagined it. And it was kitten cool. Blades flashing, hooves striking. Awesome.

It would only shatter a few vertebrae every time they land; no biggie.

MiniEquine.6014:

It would only shatter a few vertebrae every time they land; no biggie.

Among other things too

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

I think the animations for it would be incredibly difficult for the design team to implement. Aside from that, Centaurs fall into the same problem that Skritt, Quaggan, and Grawl do; they have little to no variation in combat professions. Centaurs are either archers, trampling melee guys, or shaman-type things, but never anything but the tribal archetype professions.

It would be really cool, but I think they would much sooner make something like the Quaggan a playable race than the Centaurs because of the additional work needed.

Edit: It would also be pretty funny to have their swiftness make them say something like “I’m faster than a human!”.

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

Yes. Among reasons why they wouldnt work as a playable race.

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

Dante.1763:

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

Yes. Among reasons why they wouldnt work as a playable race.

But it’s okay that the tiny little necks of asura hold up those big huge heads, and don’t snap like twigs when subjected to inertia. And that sylvari, despite being plants, aren’t appreciably different from mammals in any way. Or that charr, despite being covered with fur, still wear clothing even when not in cold climes, and that so many of them have teeth that would make eating an exercise in not slicing off one’s lips.

That stuff gets pass, but a centaur doing flips? Oh, no, that’s right out.

Yeah.

Diovid.9506:

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

Helms, shoulder, gloves and chest are pretty much the same (although centaurs do have horse faces… but then just copy the Charr stuff I guess). The legs can basically just become some sort of saddle / cover over the horse-parts back (I don’t know horses very well…) and the shoes would just cover all four legs.
Or I guess the chest could be the cover both the human chest and horse back and the legs could cover the four legs (like stock-type thing).
The possibilities are endless!

Still that death blossom XD

Diovid.9506:

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

This is the extra stuff i was referring to Tachenon.

And yes, horses doing flips is right out, condescending tone, mind it, it otherwise conversations wont go anywhere, like this one. Im not even going to respond to you, with that, im out, have a good day sir and or madam whichever you happen to be.

Tachenon.5270:

Dante.1763:

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

Yes. Among reasons why they wouldnt work as a playable race.

But it’s okay that the tiny little necks of asura hold up those big huge heads, and don’t snap like twigs when subjected to inertia. And that sylvari, despite being plants, aren’t appreciably different from mammals in any way. Or that charr, despite being covered with fur, still wear clothing even when not in cold climes, and that so many of them have teeth that would make eating an exercise in not slicing off one’s lips.

That stuff gets pass, but a centaur doing flips? Oh, no, that’s right out.

Yeah.

Don’t worry about him, some people just like to be doomsayers. New is bad, creativity is bad, innovation is a mistake, everything is impossible, nothing will work, simply because they are uncreative and averse to change. Just try even off-handedly insinuating mounts would function to any degree and you’ll see hundreds of them flood any thread in mere seconds.

That said, we still know we aren’t getting centaurs, not because we couldn’t or its a bad idea, but because the developers stated there would be no new races in the expansion. I’d wager people are blowing this whole preview image out of proportion and all we are getting is a lore week on the Maguuma Centaurs, similar to the previous lore week where we got information on the Maguuma Hylek.

Conncept.7638:

Don’t worry about him, some people just like to be doomsayers. New is bad, creativity is bad, everything is impossible, nothing will work, simply because they are closed minded and averse to change. Even insinuate mounts would function to any degree and you’ll quickly see the GW2 forums are flooded with such uncreative people.

That said, we still know we aren’t getting centaurs, not because we couldn’t or its a bad idea, but because the developers stated there would be no new races in the expansion. I’d wager people are blowing this whole preview image out of proportion and all we are getting is a lore week on the Maguuma Centaurs, similar to the previous lore week where we got information on the Maguuma Hylek.

You barked up the wrong tree with saying that kitten. You are talking to the person who the moment she saw Charr in GW1 wanted to play them. Has long wanted, and discussed having the Tengu as a playable race in GW2, has advocated many many new features, including the now poorly implemented trait changes, as well looking at the new trait changes and hoping they do it well because it looks good so far. Mind what you say when you dont know said person. Im all for them trying new things, so long as they do it right. Hell, ANET cant even get the armor fitting on the ONE beast race they already have in game, and its a bipedal race at that.

CureForLiving.5360:

Diovid.9506:

Tachenon.5270:

Guys. In this game we pretend to be cows in order to train cows to fight predators. We swim while wearing heavy plate armor. We will soon be gliding — through the jungle! No need to watch out for that tree.

I don’t think centaur thieves doing death blossoms is too much of a stretch.

Now. Do you? Really?

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

Helms, shoulder, gloves and chest are pretty much the same (although centaurs do have horse faces… but then just copy the Charr stuff I guess). The legs can basically just become some sort of saddle / cover over the horse-parts back (I don’t know horses very well…) and the legs would just cover all four legs.
Or I guess the chest could be the cover both the human chest and horse back and the legs could cover the four legs (like stock-type thing).
The possibilities are endless!

Still that death blossom XD

Head, shoulders, chest — just like humans.

Leggings — some sort of barding across the back and rump, doesn’t have to be particularly elaborate, maybe just a blanket with some metal rings or even plates, since weight is not a concern; maybe throw on a few spikes to discourage wanna be riders.

Boots — yeah, basically like socks. With some fancy-dancy jingly jangly odds and ends for show.

And that death blossom — a thing of beauty!

And just think of the possible racial skills…

Dante.1763:

Diovid.9506:

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

This is the extra stuff i was referring to Tachenon.

And yes, horses doing flips is right out, condescending tone, mind it, it otherwise conversations wont go anywhere, like this one. Im not even going to respond to you, with that, im out, have a good day sir and or madam whichever you happen to be.

They’re not horses. They’re centaurs. Things which could not possibly exist anyway, so saying that they can’t do impossible things is, well, kinda silly. Don’t you think?

That’s not being condescending, that’s stating what should be obvious.

Tachenon.5270:

Dante.1763:

Diovid.9506:

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

This is the extra stuff i was referring to Tachenon.

And yes, horses doing flips is right out, condescending tone, mind it, it otherwise conversations wont go anywhere, like this one. Im not even going to respond to you, with that, im out, have a good day sir and or madam whichever you happen to be.

They’re not horses. They’re centaurs. Things which could not possibly exist anyway, so saying that they can’t do impossible things is, well, kinda silly. Don’t you think?

That’s not being condescending, that’s stating what should be obvious.

While I’m not against centaurs as a playable race, I highly doubt we’ll see it. They would need a lot of different animations for certain skills, like death blossom. I get that it’s a game and its fantasy, but Anet does tend to stick to a certain amount of realism. There is no way they would get the rump up over their heads in any comfortable (or believable) manner. Horses don’t move like that, and while yes, they are centaurs, their entire lower half is equine.

Tachenon.5270:

Dante.1763:

Diovid.9506:

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

This is the extra stuff i was referring to Tachenon.

And yes, horses doing flips is right out, condescending tone, mind it, it otherwise conversations wont go anywhere, like this one. Im not even going to respond to you, with that, im out, have a good day sir and or madam whichever you happen to be.

They’re not horses. They’re centaurs. Things which could not possibly exist anyway, so saying that they can’t do impossible things is, well, kinda silly. Don’t you think?

That’s not being condescending, that’s stating what should be obvious.

I don’t think it’s silly at all, but not because impossible stuff is happening in a fantasy game with magic and dragons.

Try to look at it from the animation stand-point. How, exactly, does one animate a centaur doing a flip? It could only be some jerky, ragdoll-type, legs outstretched kind of thing that would be incredibly poor looking. The point too is not that impossible stuff happens compared to the Real World, but that impossible stuff within Tyria still doesn’t happen in Tyria. Centaurs, like horses, still remain mostly upright. If they dodge, it is a sidestep, not a roll. If they jump, it is a basic vertical leap and not a spin. Their body structure, even within the context of the game, just doesn’t allow them to make the movements required for a Death Blossom. DB isn’t the only issue here either. Pretty much any whirl attack would require some very fancy footwork, and it would clip with a lot of things.

Dante.1763:

Conncept.7638:

Don’t worry about him, some people just like to be doomsayers. New is bad, creativity is bad, everything is impossible, nothing will work, simply because they are closed minded and averse to change. Even insinuate mounts would function to any degree and you’ll quickly see the GW2 forums are flooded with such uncreative people.

That said, we still know we aren’t getting centaurs, not because we couldn’t or its a bad idea, but because the developers stated there would be no new races in the expansion. I’d wager people are blowing this whole preview image out of proportion and all we are getting is a lore week on the Maguuma Centaurs, similar to the previous lore week where we got information on the Maguuma Hylek.

You barked up the wrong tree with saying that kitten. You are talking to the person who the moment she saw Charr in GW1 wanted to play them. Has long wanted, and discussed having the Tengu as a playable race in GW2, has advocated many many new features, including the now poorly implemented trait changes, as well looking at the new trait changes and hoping they do it well because it looks good so far. Mind what you say when you dont know said person. Im all for them trying new things, so long as they do it right. Hell, ANET cant even get the armor fitting on the ONE beast race they already have in game, and its a bipedal race at that.

And you just proved my point, not about you being a doomsayer (that wasn’t my point in the first place), but about your comment that ‘Centaur are impossible’. People said in GW1 that the Charr were impossible, obviously they were wrong. Your point that the centaur are impossible is just as unfounded, being nothing more than your own assumption based on your lack of knowledge of the game systems.

Essentially you’ve presented the argument:

“It can’t work, because I personally do not know how it could.”

Which is completely nonsensical. Inability to provide evidence that something could work is not proof that it can’t.

There are few things that the developers cannot get to work in such a broad system as is present in a large scale MMO, and Centaurs as a race are not one of them. Sweeping generalizations against new content such as the one you posted earlier are completely worthless as points of discussion.

The animation is no problem.
If Charr have issues with armor clipping, imagine a Centaur.

MiniEquine.6014:

Tachenon.5270:

Dante.1763:

Diovid.9506:

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

This is the extra stuff i was referring to Tachenon.

And yes, horses doing flips is right out, condescending tone, mind it, it otherwise conversations wont go anywhere, like this one. Im not even going to respond to you, with that, im out, have a good day sir and or madam whichever you happen to be.

They’re not horses. They’re centaurs. Things which could not possibly exist anyway, so saying that they can’t do impossible things is, well, kinda silly. Don’t you think?

That’s not being condescending, that’s stating what should be obvious.

I don’t think it’s silly at all, but not because impossible stuff is happening in a fantasy game with magic and dragons.

Try to look at it from the animation stand-point. How, exactly, does one animate a centaur doing a flip? It could only be some jerky, ragdoll-type, legs outstretched kind of thing that would be incredibly poor looking. The point too is not that impossible stuff happens compared to the Real World, but that impossible stuff within Tyria still doesn’t happen in Tyria. Centaurs, like horses, still remain mostly upright. If they dodge, it is a sidestep, not a roll. If they jump, it is a basic vertical leap and not a spin. Their body structure, even within the context of the game, just doesn’t allow them to make the movements required for a Death Blossom. DB isn’t the only issue here either. Pretty much any whirl attack would require some very fancy footwork, and it would clip with a lot of things.

Death blossom is basically just and air flip that spins and hits multiple enemies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcNZUOAnb8
Why does the centaur have to go upside down? Why not simply leap through the enemies? And if he has to spin, well horses can do that while upright.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Tachenon.5270:

Dante.1763:

Diovid.9506:

It’s not about the lore/immersion, it’s about the animations/programming/artwork needed to make all skins, skill animations, emotes, jumping, swimming and so on work on a non-bipedal creature.

This is the extra stuff i was referring to Tachenon.

And yes, horses doing flips is right out, condescending tone, mind it, it otherwise conversations wont go anywhere, like this one. Im not even going to respond to you, with that, im out, have a good day sir and or madam whichever you happen to be.

They’re not horses. They’re centaurs. Things which could not possibly exist anyway, so saying that they can’t do impossible things is, well, kinda silly. Don’t you think?

That’s not being condescending, that’s stating what should be obvious.

While I’m not against centaurs as a playable race, I highly doubt we’ll see it. They would need a lot of different animations for certain skills, like death blossom. I get that it’s a game and its fantasy, but Anet does tend to stick to a certain amount of realism. There is no way they would get the rump up over their heads in any comfortable (or believable) manner. Horses don’t move like that, and while yes, they are centaurs, their entire lower half is equine.

I disagree with Anet sticking to a certain amount of realism, or even to any amount of realism, for reasons cited previously in this thread. There are many, many more examples. Mount Maelstrom, for one — what could live in that big chamber full of lava? Nothing realistic.

A centaur performing acrobatics would be no more unrealistic or unbelievable than just about anything else in the game. Why would centaurs be able to do things horses can’t do? Because they also have human-like brains, and, like humans, they could train themselves to do things that otherwise might seem impossible.

If the animators can’t pull it off, that’s one thing. But saying it can’t be done because ‘centaurs can’t do that!’ is not a valid excuse.

Tachenon.5270:

If the animators can’t pull it off, that’s one thing. But saying it can’t be done because ‘centaurs can’t do that!’ is not a valid excuse.

I imagine that it’s not that it can’t be done but that it would be a lot of work and then still look kinda awkward. It’s a costs/benefits thing (as is everything of course).