Guild Wars 2

I assume there will be a third beta weekend at the least. This expac is not dropping before Halloween so let’s not rock the boat.

First beta was 1 class and 4 specs. Druid and Forge beta will be just for them, with most of the classes already tested enough.
Aso it’s not like things are set in stone. Even if Druid and Forge are not perfect they can still fix things once HoT is out. Pretty sure they’ll end up better then DH anyway.

I’m a lil worried that Ranger and Engi won’t get enough beta play testing, but I’ll wait for them to announce a release date before I start kittening.

Bryzy.2719:

Most other profession elite specs will have had 2 beta weekends’ worth of play time over Druids and whatever the Engi elite is. I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?

I’ll trade you my thief’s beta play time for a class that actually works or your 1200 range, either one.

Its a valid complaint, even looking beyond the “But its not FAIR, I want to play my spec NOW!” stuff.

Being available in less BWEs means less time to test and give feedback, which means less polish and improvement.

Hopefully Engie and Ranger still get at least 2 BWE worth of testing, though. Still a lot less than the 4 some others will have gotten by that point, but hopefully enough to iron out most of the big issues.

Black Frog.9274:

Bryzy.2719:

Most other profession elite specs will have had 2 beta weekends’ worth of play time over Druids and whatever the Engi elite is. I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?

I’ll trade you my thief’s beta play time for a class that actually works or your 1200 range, either one.

The daredevil doesn’t work? Wow when did you beta test it?

Shafted? o.O Is this on assumption of a limited amount of betas left? Because no one knows the numbers.

And I keep saying this but why not again! Saving the best for last, people. It’ll all be ALL RIGHT.

Electro.4173:

Its a valid complaint, even looking beyond the “But its not FAIR, I want to play my spec NOW!” stuff.

Being available in less BWEs means less time to test and give feedback, which means less polish and improvement.

Hopefully Engie and Ranger still get at least 2 BWE worth of testing, though. Still a lot less than the 4 some others will have gotten by that point, but hopefully enough to iron out most of the big issues.

So if they aren’t finished or ready for testing what do you propose ? They throw it in there so everyone can tell them what they already know, that they aren’t ready for testing ?

If they are ready then sure, I support getting them in for testing asap but if they are not, it seems kind of pointless to test what is not ready to be tested.

I am hoping that the reason for the delay is that they are reworking the AI for pets (Engi drones might be like pets if that is what they are getting) and they do not yet feel confortable showing them until they have worked out the major issues. Pets are a intregal part of the Ranger unlike other classes that can opt not to run mechanics relying on AI and if Engi has to rely on AI for it’s elite specialization it better be responsive and intuitive. Relying on faulty AI sucks otherwise something like minion master would be more fun too but being a Ranger you are stuck with your pet which just is no fun when you feel no control over it when it goes bonkers. It is no fun when it can be so unresponsive and unintuitive making it very frustrating to play with a pet at times. The faulty AI is the main reason I don’t play Ranger much.

There is literly no option where people wouldn’t be mad about something. Your argument is based on bullkitten.

What option does Arenanet have? Do less beta weekends just so most classes are equal? But then still the reaper, chronomancer, dragonhunter and tempest already had a weekend so people would still considder it unfair. Everything Arenanet does at this point will spark some kind of negative rampage about something. Seriously if you are that kittened off i suggest you don’t buy HoT and leave our community all together, i’m really starting to have enough of the rampant negativity about everything. Noone is forcing you to play this game.

Yes other classes will have more testing then druids and engineers. Due to them being finished sooner. Delaying the BWE would only result in less testing on actual jungle, mastery mechanics and the general gameplay. But sure, your class is more important then that. Get over yourself.

I mostly play ranger and engineer. I am greatly looking forward to trying out their new forms, but I can be patient.

I don’t think there is any sort of conspiracy at hand. They’ll be ready for us to test when they’re ready.

Patience is needed.

I like how people are just casually saying Druid and Forge isn’t in a playable state yet like its no big deal.

Anet are still claiming a 2015 release. Even if we presume a 31st Dec release at 11:59pm that is still only 4 months. If Druid and Froge aren’t playable now it still doesn’t give us much hope for their level of polish/balance at launch.

rangers have been busted from the start of GW2

If there isn’t a BIG and i mean BIG revamp with this elite spec, this class is going to done.

It’s already one of the least played classes in the game because of how utterly medicore it is in every facet of the game minus soloing stuff

SkiTz.4590:

rangers have been busted from the start of GW2

If there isn’t a BIG and i mean BIG revamp with this elite spec, this class is going to done.

It’s already one of the least played classes in the game because of how utterly medicore it is in every facet of the game minus soloing stuff

You must be a pve-er. I see rangers all the time in WvW.

CandyHearts.6025:

SkiTz.4590:

rangers have been busted from the start of GW2

If there isn’t a BIG and i mean BIG revamp with this elite spec, this class is going to done.

It’s already one of the least played classes in the game because of how utterly medicore it is in every facet of the game minus soloing stuff

You must be a pve-er. I see rangers all the time in WvW.

yea because all they want to do is shoot arrows at 1500 with full DPS loadout. Find a light armor target and spam 1 and 2. Good work.
That is useless in a zerg compared to what the ele ,necro can bring from the backline (unless you talking about roamers)

SkiTz.4590:

rangers have been busted from the start of GW2

If there isn’t a BIG and i mean BIG revamp with this elite spec, this class is going to done.

It’s already one of the least played classes in the game because of how utterly medicore it is in every facet of the game minus soloing stuff

Thats funny. I see rangers all the time in all game modes. Maybe you should go tell them they need to stop playing rangers because of being busted. I don’t think they know.

In fact my best in game friend plays rangers all the time. I suppose he’s having badwrongfun though.

As a side note, its so funny seeing just how many of the classes talk about how awful their class is compared to everyone else.

Morfedel.4165:

SkiTz.4590:

rangers have been busted from the start of GW2

If there isn’t a BIG and i mean BIG revamp with this elite spec, this class is going to done.

It’s already one of the least played classes in the game because of how utterly medicore it is in every facet of the game minus soloing stuff

Thats funny. I see rangers all the time in all game modes. Maybe you should go tell them they need to stop playing rangers because of being busted. I don’t think they know.

In fact my best in game friend plays rangers all the time. I suppose he’s having badwrongfun though.

As a side note, its so funny seeing just how many of the classes talk about how awful their class is compared to everyone else.

O well than, in that case, forget everything I said.
Nothing to see here anet, rangers are perfectly fine. Don’t bother trying to fix the laundry list of broken items (pets, ranger mechanics, spirits, etc etc) since gw2 beta.
Apparently every ranger playing is absolutely satisifed with the current state its in. Don’t worry about wasting resources fixing a class that is already perfect =)

Haven’t you heard SkiTz? Rangers are hot property, wanted in every part of the game by every group. Top PvP teams, WvW guilds and GvG teams and Dungeon runners! They’re a must have, so glad we’re in such a great place in the game right now and we’re never the butt of any joke…

I wish ANet would start locking more of these stupid threads that serve no purpose.

Do you want unfinished c quality like all those mmos who are released too soon and dont even make it to the first year? I rather like the concept of released when its done.

It’s entirely possible that ANet is staggering Elite betas to be of equal length, so as the Beta progresses they’ll remove Elites that received enough testing to give the other Elites enough player attention.

You have a perfectly legitimate concern, just don’t jump the gun about being shafted until it looks like you actually will be.

Most other profession elite specs will have had 2 beta weekends’ worth of play time over Druids and whatever the Engi elite is. I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?

Because it isn’t ready yet.

Given how early they announced the Druid, and how late they are in implementing it, I bet there’s some complex flaw in it that they’re still working out, or complicated effects that aren’t in yet.

Electro.4173:

Its a valid complaint, even looking beyond the “But its not FAIR, I want to play my spec NOW!” stuff.

Being available in less BWEs means less time to test and give feedback, which means less polish and improvement.

It’s not a valid complaint, because this is a beta, not a preview event. As such, ANet gives access to all the things they feel they want/need feedback on for their current work, no more, no less.

Since they have developers/teams working on several classes, getting focus feedback on all of them at once wouldn’t be nearly as helpful (and possibly even disrupt the development process) as getting feedback on whichever part/class/mechanic they feel feedback would be beneficial on right now.

Whether or not the revenant beta events gathered feedback on one or two trait lines at a time (including how they meshed with previously released trait and/or reworked trait lines), thus offering access to a class in different states of (in-)completion, has no bearing on whether the ranger or engi elite specs are in a place right now where player feedback would be useful to the development process.

While user input is important in any development process, there’s a place for it, and there’s a place for when the developer should work on their software without being “distracted” by user input. If ANet feels that engi and ranger elite specs are in a place right now where they don’t want to disrupt the development process by beta input, if the specs are being worked on and not in a state that’s decently “playable”, or even if they just prefer to go through more focused feedback on the three newly revealed elite specs (warrior, thief, revenant) as well as the rework on the formerly available elite specs, there’s nothing “fair” or “unfair” about it, it simply is a regular development/testing cycle.

ANet knows the state of their projects, who is working on what, and who benefits from what kind/volume of input. They’re the only ones who know all the variables, and know (or at least try to) how to space and focus beta input to be most valuable to the development process. Depending on their team stucture and project schedule, getting all elite specs in one by making them all beta-available at the same time(s) could well mean a lot less helpful feelback in return, since it would hit different professions at different places during the development cycle. Not to mention testers would be spread a lot thinner if everything was available at the same time.

What difference does it really make? Specifically talking about Ranger, how many times have we posted feedback over the last 3 years? What makes you think one weekend will have any real major effect on something they don’t care about any way? You just need to look at things that are still broken, or comments like “Hey it’s your class mechanic, we’re not going to get rid of it, but oh, yeah we’re not fixing it either, too much work.”

Sicarius.4639:

What difference does it really make? Specifically talking about Ranger, how many times have we posted feedback over the last 3 years? What makes you think one weekend will have any real major effect on something they don’t care about any way? You just need to look at things that are still broken, or comments like “Hey it’s your class mechanic, we’re not going to get rid of it, but oh, yeah we’re not fixing it either, too much work.”

It looks like they are phasing out the ranger, I really don’t know why you guys bother playing a ranger. Anet have neglected that class for so long, you might well use it as mule to carry your garbage overflow from you storage.

I think we need an Entitlement Forum. All threads, such as this one, where people are claiming that they should get something they feel entitled to for no good reason could be posted there.

Beta’s are not used for fairness, equality of play, player advantage, or anything of the sort. Beta testing is for… …wait for it… …TESTING!!!

No one deserves to play their favorite class during this beta or that one. They could hold a beta to see if characters of any class can run around in circles more effectively if they needed to. They test for what they need to know when they need to know it. It isn’t for your pleasure equality.

It is just my opinion, but I think devs either laugh out loud at the ridiculousness of these kinds of threads or they shake their head in wonder at the obtuseness of people in general.

It’s no different than the Beta Weekends three years ago. ANet felt only certain parts were ready for playing, so we only got those parts.

The company has limited resources, and so they prioritize and concentrate on a limited number of things at any one time. They’re doing their best to get Heart of Thorns done. Personally, I appreciate their ‘when it’s done’ policy over rushing out broken, buggy, and unbalanced things to meet some arbitrary deadline.

glehmann.9586:

You realize that they will continue taking feedback and making changes after HoT releases, right? It’s not like HoT will release and we are then stuck with whatever state Druids and Forges are in at that moment.

the chance for big changes decreases the closer you are to release.

also most of these companies will have less resources and scope for reg proffession updates.
Many times in previous balance patches they have said certain changes are out of scope.
basically once the game is out, you will mostly see numbers changes, and they will take a long time to do anything more drastic.

Tregarde.6031:

It’s no different than the Beta Weekends three years ago. ANet felt only certain parts were ready for playing, so we only got those parts.

The company has limited resources, and so they prioritize and concentrate on a limited number of things at any one time. They’re doing their best to get Heart of Thorns done. Personally, I appreciate their ‘when it’s done’ policy over rushing out broken, buggy, and unbalanced things to meet some arbitrary deadline.

no, the beta weekends years ago were basically close to fully formed, and had access to all professions. They locked out stuff beyond a few starter maps, not because of what was ready, but of what they were willing to reveal.

Bryzy.2719:

Obtena.7952:

You have no idea how many BETA weekends there will be that will include Engi/Ranger. You’re assuming we are close to release. kittenumption.

Bryzy.2719:

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

Even if every prof has 2 more than Engi/Ranger, its irrelevant. Anet only needs as many BWE’s as is necessary to make the changes they want. Frankly, you’re being presumptuous and it’s making you look silly.

Regardless of the aspect of feedback, it’s still 2 more BWE’s worth of playtime.

Thanks for the ad hominem. Do you tend to rebuke arguments solely with logic and facts, or do you simply feel the additional inherent need to call everyone with whom you disagree in an argument ‘silly’?

People really need to stop accusing others of logical fallacies when they don’t actually understand logical fallacies. That’s not an ad hominem. Insults in general are not ad hominem. He did not make personal attacks to try to discredit you.

“Bryzy is a silly person, therefore his argument is invalid” is an ad hominem. “Bryzy’s arguments are presumptuous and make him look silly” is an unkind comment on the quality of your arguments that may or may not be true, but it is not a fallacy.

Random.4691:

I could just see it.

Anet: Ok guys/gals we are going to put Engi and Druid into the beta weekend but be forewarned they have not been finished and are still completely unplayable.

Players: Both Engi and Druid need a lot of work they seem to be unplayable.

Anet: As we stated both classes are unfinished and unplayable, but you all wanted fair equal test time.

Players: I don’t get it why would you put unplayable, unfinished classes in for testing, it makes no sense, what are we suppose to test ?

Anet: Ok next Beta weekend Engi’s and Druids will be removed from testing so we can finish working on them and make them playable so testing is more accurate.

Players: WHAT ! This is BS now they don’t get as much test time, it’s unfair, I want to play Engi or Druid.

Anet: ……..

Actually the response would be:
Players: Druid and Engi are unplayable because of a,b,c,d,e,f and w/e reason.
ANet: Oh cool we could fix that.

Like, you know, the revenant

There is nothing wrong with rangers. Learn to play your class.

I main an engineer, and have since the start of this game. They only get one BWE? That’s fine with me.

phys.7689:

Tregarde.6031:

It’s no different than the Beta Weekends three years ago. ANet felt only certain parts were ready for playing, so we only got those parts.

The company has limited resources, and so they prioritize and concentrate on a limited number of things at any one time. They’re doing their best to get Heart of Thorns done. Personally, I appreciate their ‘when it’s done’ policy over rushing out broken, buggy, and unbalanced things to meet some arbitrary deadline.

no, the beta weekends years ago were basically close to fully formed, and had access to all professions. They locked out stuff beyond a few starter maps, not because of what was ready, but of what they were willing to reveal.

¯\(?)/¯
Sure, all professions were there. But there were other things (besides starter maps) that were not in the 1st, or even 2nd BWE. And I think it’s safe to say HoT is “close to fully formed,” or we wouldn’t be having this new round of BWE’s.

So my point still stands. We’ll get to test things when ANet feels they’re ready. Not before. Which is fine with me.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Random.4691:

I could just see it.

Anet: Ok guys/gals we are going to put Engi and Druid into the beta weekend but be forewarned they have not been finished and are still completely unplayable.

Players: Both Engi and Druid need a lot of work they seem to be unplayable.

Anet: As we stated both classes are unfinished and unplayable, but you all wanted fair equal test time.

Players: I don’t get it why would you put unplayable, unfinished classes in for testing, it makes no sense, what are we suppose to test ?

Anet: Ok next Beta weekend Engi’s and Druids will be removed from testing so we can finish working on them and make them playable so testing is more accurate.

Players: WHAT ! This is BS now they don’t get as much test time, it’s unfair, I want to play Engi or Druid.

Anet: ……..

Actually the response would be:
Players: Druid and Engi are unplayable because of a,b,c,d,e,f and w/e reason.
ANet: Oh cool we could fix that.

Like, you know, the revenant

Actually actually, the response would be:
Players: Druid and Engi are unplayable because of a,b,c,d,e,f and w/e reason.
ANet: Oh cool we could fix that on Engi. What’s this Ranger/Druid you speak of?

We can always pray for their reveal next week.

Well at least one of them to be revealed and the week after that as well so we have all Elite Specialization revealed before the 3rd Beta testing

SkiTz.4590:

Morfedel.4165:

SkiTz.4590:

rangers have been busted from the start of GW2

If there isn’t a BIG and i mean BIG revamp with this elite spec, this class is going to done.

It’s already one of the least played classes in the game because of how utterly medicore it is in every facet of the game minus soloing stuff

Thats funny. I see rangers all the time in all game modes. Maybe you should go tell them they need to stop playing rangers because of being busted. I don’t think they know.

In fact my best in game friend plays rangers all the time. I suppose he’s having badwrongfun though.

As a side note, its so funny seeing just how many of the classes talk about how awful their class is compared to everyone else.

O well than, in that case, forget everything I said.
Nothing to see here anet, rangers are perfectly fine. Don’t bother trying to fix the laundry list of broken items (pets, ranger mechanics, spirits, etc etc) since gw2 beta.
Apparently every ranger playing is absolutely satisifed with the current state its in. Don’t worry about wasting resources fixing a class that is already perfect =)

That’s really funny, because several of the classes are complaining as much as you are that their class is the worst. Take a look at the necromancer forums for example.

And I never said everyone was happy, but I said there are many who are. You are the one who said all Rangers were unhappy. And that just isn’t true. For example, the last few days I’ve been doing a lot of PvP matches, & I see quite a few Rangers in them, and doing quite well.

Only one of us to presumed to speak for the entire community. And that wasn’t me.

Sicarius.4639:

Haven’t you heard SkiTz? Rangers are hot property, wanted in every part of the game by every group. Top PvP teams, WvW guilds and GvG teams and Dungeon runners! They’re a must have, so glad we’re in such a great place in the game right now and we’re never the butt of any joke…

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

There is no correlation between more BWE’s and a class becoming better … in fact that would be nonsense to think such a thing since the tests are MOSTLY for feedback on the elites.

Therefore, arguments that say Rangers need more BWE because it’s bad … just stop it.

Morfedel.4165:

Sicarius.4639:

Haven’t you heard SkiTz? Rangers are hot property, wanted in every part of the game by every group. Top PvP teams, WvW guilds and GvG teams and Dungeon runners! They’re a must have, so glad we’re in such a great place in the game right now and we’re never the butt of any joke…

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

You do realize there is a saying in each of the other class forums

“at least we aren’t rangers”

You think other classes have a broken class mechanic as rangers do?
Why do you think Ranger CDI was the first? because it requires the most rework due to the fact its been broken for 3+ years. Other classes haven’t had problems dealing with a broken class mechanic and completely mediocre builds since GW2 was released.
Yes other classes do complain, most about balancing and asking for more variety in their builds….rangers have that AND broken classmechanic/countless bugs SINCE BETA

You need to stop acting as if majority of the ranger population is happy

Majority of them are also bearbow casuals since most of the good players have switched classes.. You think these bearbow casuals care or even know what the bugs are and whats broken? No. pew pew pew.

How often do you see rangers in high rank MMR team que or world tournaments?
They have been below avg to mediocre in most areas of this game. If you are “happy” with that, so be it. Others aren’t. Stop speaking for rangers. You clearly haven’t played this class long enough to realize what the problems are.

Stark.1350:

There is nothing wrong with rangers. Learn to play your class.

I main an engineer, and have since the start of this game. They only get one BWE? That’s fine with me.

You just invalidated your whole argument, nice going.

Morfedel.4165:

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

It was exaggerated because I was trying to make a joke at the same time, so it was for comedic effect, although to be fair the sentiment makes for a cruel joke in and of itself.

Before the CDI many people stepped forward and said “I don’t even play Ranger but you’ve got to do that first, it’s simply broken.” We could go back and forth all day over which classes are here, there or anywhere in the meta, but Rangers are fundamentally flawed.

Maybe Rangers and Engineers have some sort of super awesome totally unique game play mechanic that changes how you play and plan your battles (like Thief just got), and the devs just need that little bit of extra time to make them just right.

That or they’re just going to be a few new skills and nothing unique or new, and Anet is installing spikes on the shaft OP mentioned.

Either way, I already paid for the expansion, so I’ll be playing my Ranger in a few months anyways.

SkiTz.4590:

Morfedel.4165:

Sicarius.4639:

Haven’t you heard SkiTz? Rangers are hot property, wanted in every part of the game by every group. Top PvP teams, WvW guilds and GvG teams and Dungeon runners! They’re a must have, so glad we’re in such a great place in the game right now and we’re never the butt of any joke…

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

You do realize there is a saying in each of the other class forums

“at least we aren’t rangers”

You think other classes have a broken class mechanic as rangers do?
Why do you think Ranger CDI was the first? because it requires the most rework due to the fact its been broken for 3+ years. Other classes haven’t had problems dealing with a broken class mechanic and completely mediocre builds since GW2 was released.
Yes other classes do complain, most about balancing and asking for more variety in their builds….rangers have that AND broken classmechanic/countless bugs SINCE BETA

You need to stop acting as if majority of the ranger population is happy

Majority of them are also bearbow casuals since most of the good players have switched classes.. You think these bearbow casuals care or even know what the bugs are and whats broken? No. pew pew pew.

How often do you see rangers in high rank MMR team que or world tournaments?
They have been below avg to mediocre in most areas of this game. If you are “happy” with that, so be it. Others aren’t. Stop speaking for rangers. You clearly haven’t played this class long enough to realize what the problems are.

You know, I’m trying to remember the last time I’ve seen someone say at least we are strangers. I can’t. I have seen them say that about necromancers lately.

And by the way, you don’t speak for Rangers either. I have a BFF in the game who has been playing Ranger as his primary class since day one right after Beta, and he is quite happy with it. And no, he’s not a bearbow.

I also took my ranger into some PvP day before yesterday I think it was when Ranger was the PvP daily, and did very well. Yes I’ve played Ranger. And I’ve been playing the game since BWE one of the core game.

I have already said I don’t speak for all Rangers. I do speak for some of them. You are the one that’s the same you speak for all of them, but guess what, you dont. So stop being so arrogant, not everyone who plays Rangers agrees with you.

And I know a lot of necromancers who would argue with you about whose class sucks more. Maybe you should go tell them that they are wrong too.

Sicarius.4639:

Morfedel.4165:

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

It was exaggerated because I was trying to make a joke at the same time, so it was for comedic effect, although to be fair the sentiment makes for a cruel joke in and of itself.

Before the CDI many people stepped forward and said “I don’t even play Ranger but you’ve got to do that first, it’s simply broken.” We could go back and forth all day over which classes are here, there or anywhere in the meta, but Rangers are fundamentally flawed.

In what way are they fundamentally flawed? I’m not trying to be rude, it’s seriously a question I would like to hear answered. The reason why I’m saying so is while I don’t make a ranger, I have played it and I have a good friend I’ve been playing with it for 3 years who does play a ranger as a primary, and he is fairly happy with it.

I see people playing Rangers all the time, I’ve been and matches were 40% of the characters are Rangers, and they’ve done quite well. I fought them in world vs world, and they’ve done quite well. So I am really befuddled on this whole Rangers are fundamentally flawed statement.

I especially hold such claims in deep suspicion, because most, granted not all, but most of the profession forums are complaining about how their classes are broken and some terrible ways as well. In my opinion, if most of the classes are broken, and then most people are either being whiners, or everything is perfectly balanced because they’re all broken. The point being is seen so many complaints and pretty much almost all of the profession forms makes me think that it’s just a bunch of sour grapes.

I am using my phone for this, & I know I made some grammatical and spelling errors or auto correct quote fixed things quote, I will edit and fix it when I get home tonight.

Morfedel.4165:

Sicarius.4639:

Morfedel.4165:

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

It was exaggerated because I was trying to make a joke at the same time, so it was for comedic effect, although to be fair the sentiment makes for a cruel joke in and of itself.

Before the CDI many people stepped forward and said “I don’t even play Ranger but you’ve got to do that first, it’s simply broken.” We could go back and forth all day over which classes are here, there or anywhere in the meta, but Rangers are fundamentally flawed.

In what way are they fundamentally flawed? I’m not trying to be rude, it’s seriously a question I would like to hear answered. The reason why I’m saying so is while I don’t make a ranger, I have played it and I have a good friend I’ve been playing with it for 3 years who does play a ranger as a primary, and he is fairly happy with it.

I see people playing Rangers all the time, I’ve been and matches were 40% of the characters are Rangers, and they’ve done quite well. I fought them in world vs world, and they’ve done quite well. So I am really befuddled on this whole Rangers are fundamentally flawed statement.

I especially hold such claims in deep suspicion, because most, granted not all, but most of the profession forums are complaining about how their classes are broken and some terrible ways as well. In my opinion, if most of the classes are broken, and then most people are either being whiners, or everything is perfectly balanced because they’re all broken. The point being is seen so many complaints and pretty much almost all of the profession forms makes me think that it’s just a bunch of sour grapes.

I am using my phone for this, & I know I made some grammatical and spelling errors or auto correct quote fixed things quote, I will edit and fix it when I get home tonight.

See theres no point in arguing with someone who can’t follow basic logic

Why do you think rangers got the first CDI? Was it because anet randomly picked ranger? NO. It was because it was by FAR the most voted profession in the poll for the CDI due to the fact it is BROKEN and NEEDS rework.

I don’t care if your friend for 3 years since beta thinks ranger is perfectly fine.
Your examples for necro don’t mean anything either since they are META in sPvP and backline zerging for WvW… BOTH of those areas necros are absolutely AMAZING. Only 1 part where necro is bad is PvE…

Compare that to Ranger, which is mediocre to avg in every role. One of the biggest reasons being – that useless pet taking up 30% DPS numbers wise , leaving rangers with only 70%. Everyone else being at 100%…

Are Rangers fine? absolutely. If you accept mediocrity and broken class mechanic.
Sure rangers work fine in PvE/Dungs – but they are middle of the pack in terms of usefulness

Sure rangers work fine in PvP – but they are mediocre once again compared to other classes in terms of team support/mobility/burst capabilities.

Sure rangers work fine in WvW zerging – if all you want to do is stand at 1500 range and spam 1,2 on LB. But other classes bring utilties and skills that are actually helpful to a zerg like ele,necros, guardians, warriors, etc….

So yea, you can keep saying Ranger is fine. but that means you accept mediocrity in ALL areas of this game for this class

It excels at nothing, it sucks at nothing, but its below avg to mediocre at everything. If you want it to stay that way, fine. Just don’t bother trying to convince other ppl that its ok to accept mediocrity.

SkiTz.4590:

Morfedel.4165:

Sicarius.4639:

Morfedel.4165:

Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.

Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.

It was exaggerated because I was trying to make a joke at the same time, so it was for comedic effect, although to be fair the sentiment makes for a cruel joke in and of itself.

Before the CDI many people stepped forward and said “I don’t even play Ranger but you’ve got to do that first, it’s simply broken.” We could go back and forth all day over which classes are here, there or anywhere in the meta, but Rangers are fundamentally flawed.

In what way are they fundamentally flawed? I’m not trying to be rude, it’s seriously a question I would like to hear answered. The reason why I’m saying so is while I don’t make a ranger, I have played it and I have a good friend I’ve been playing with it for 3 years who does play a ranger as a primary, and he is fairly happy with it.

I see people playing Rangers all the time, I’ve been and matches were 40% of the characters are Rangers, and they’ve done quite well. I fought them in world vs world, and they’ve done quite well. So I am really befuddled on this whole Rangers are fundamentally flawed statement.

I especially hold such claims in deep suspicion, because most, granted not all, but most of the profession forums are complaining about how their classes are broken and some terrible ways as well. In my opinion, if most of the classes are broken, and then most people are either being whiners, or everything is perfectly balanced because they’re all broken. The point being is seen so many complaints and pretty much almost all of the profession forms makes me think that it’s just a bunch of sour grapes.

I am using my phone for this, & I know I made some grammatical and spelling errors or auto correct quote fixed things quote, I will edit and fix it when I get home tonight.

See theres no point in arguing with someone who can’t follow basic logic

Why do you think rangers got the first CDI? Was it because anet randomly picked ranger? NO. It was because it was by FAR the most voted profession in the poll for the CDI due to the fact it is BROKEN and NEEDS rework.

I don’t care if your friend for 3 years since beta thinks ranger is perfectly fine.
Your examples for necro don’t mean anything either since they are META in sPvP and backline zerging for WvW… BOTH of those areas necros are absolutely AMAZING. Only 1 part where necro is bad is PvE…

Compare that to Ranger, which is mediocre to avg in every role. One of the biggest reasons being – that useless pet taking up 30% DPS numbers wise , leaving rangers with only 70%. Everyone else being at 100%…

Are Rangers fine? absolutely. If you accept mediocrity and broken class mechanic.

And yet you haven’t even answered the basic question: how are they fundamentally flawed? how are they broken? You haven’t presented any facts for logic except for the cdi comment.

You haven’t justified anything. Vague comments do not equate to facts.

And I love how you completely ignore other peoples’ experiences when they differ from yours. A REAL argument would address that as well. But then, it’s becoming obvious you are the type of person who, if someone has a different experience than yours, you discount it without even a moment’s consideration.

I main mesmer. And I’ve had arguments on the board there in the past about traits that they swore were terrible. And yet I did fine with them. I must be having badwrongfun somehow, just like my ranger friends and all the rangers I run into in pvp.

You should log on and go to the pvp lobby so you can teach them how wrong they are and how right you are.

dude go read the freaking ranger forums or the CDI.

You think I have time to type out all the problems and flaws with rangers?

I’m not wasting time explaining it to someone when its already out there in the forums.

Again, I know ranger works in PvP ( I have a champion hunter title…)but its not good against high MMR team arenas. You HARDLY see it in tournaments. Why? because its simple – classes do everything ranger can do, except better.

Electro.4173:

Its a valid complaint, even looking beyond the “But its not FAIR, I want to play my spec NOW!” stuff.

Being available in less BWEs means less time to test and give feedback, which means less polish and improvement.

Hopefully Engie and Ranger still get at least 2 BWE worth of testing, though. Still a lot less than the 4 some others will have gotten by that point, but hopefully enough to iron out most of the big issues.

This argument rests on the idea that there’s only limited time available for testing/finetuning, while profession balancing/finetuning is an ungoing thing.

It’s quite possible they’re more confident about the last two specs, considering how they featured in the initial trailer. Regardless, previous experience shows us that all professions and specs will see more finetuning based on feedback leading up to, and after release.

Seeing how another BWE was just announced, it seems that a large part motivating the OP to write this post is their desire to play their Elite spec in the upcoming BWE.

SkiTz.4590:

dude go read the freaking ranger forums or the CDI.

You think I have time to type out all the problems and flaws with rangers?

I’m not wasting time explaining it to someone when its already out there in the forums.

Again, I know ranger works in PvP ( I have a champion hunter title…)but its not good against high MMR team arenas. You HARDLY see it in tournaments. Why? because its simple – classes do everything ranger can do, except better.

I never said rangers couldn’t use a buff or that they are underpowered. i said they arent fundamentally flawed and broken. the former suggests needing a buff. The latter suggests they are unplayable, and that just isn’t the case.

Yes, sorry, but they are not broken. They are playable, and can indeed contribute to the game. Are they a little weak and need a buff? Probably. But considering its still a well-represented class in the game overall, it’s not ruined like you seem to be suggesting.

Well, i’m bored with all of this toxic QQing. I’m off to another thread. Seeya.