Guild Wars 2

So ArenaNet listened to all the whiners who needed to be commanders and gods and whatever, and killed Trehearne… awesome. You made it clap clap … clap

Flat tone of voice

“This won’t end well.”

It was great to kill him off.
This was payback from Clawr Island.

I’m never going to be happy again.

Never understood the hate Trahearne got, i was sad at the ending

Azure Prower.8701:

Flat tone of voice

“This won’t end well.”

“For you.”

I’m more concerned with what happened to Eir Stegalkin. I’ve not reached much past that in the story as I left HoT a week ago and haven’t been back.

Does Trahearne get killed or do we fight and kill him?

Yes.
Frankly it was the best time I’ve ever spent with a party.

I was glad that we got to end Trehearne…

Soon as he enters YOUR personal story he takes it completely over, and you become his mascot errand boy, running around doing it all, and he takes credit for it…

And making us “Commander” of the Pact? Right, more like Participation Award of the Pact….

ProtoGunner.4953:

I found it funny, cuz a lot of people wished they could kill him and voilà, they did it. I never had bad feelings about him, I liked him. ‘Taking the credit’ is not so true, he always appreciates your doings and never imposes himself as the self-proclaimed and sole killer of Zhaitan.

People seem to be full of testosterone and want to be the hero, imo this is a very immature behaviour: where in life are we the heroes?

this

Funny thing is that he never took credit, he always gave it to you. Always was saying we would have come nowhere without you.

I guess we can thank people like Odokuro

I actually yelled “NO!” at my monitor when we were about to kill him. I also liked him. Never had a problem with him.

But I guess some things never change. Majority of the community comes to the forums to whine, ANet has to make their wishes come true. Proven over and over again

As for taking credit, he does do exactly that. Remember after the battle of Lion’s Arch and you guys are talking about Fort Trinity? Yeah, you came up with this neat idea and named it Fort Trinity. Then when he goes and talks to the other Orders, he says straight up, “Which I have named Fort Trinity”. No we, or you, just simply I.

The Personal Story was supposed to be about your story (it even says that at the beginning), and then when Trahearne shows up, it ends up becoming about his journey. You go out and do all the work, but he gets all the credit for “leading” the Pact. You end up being a basic soldier in his army, and in your own story. But you still make all the choices, yet he is the one who gets the praise still.

Yeah I get why he is there, I mean “Mah Lorez” and stuff cause you can’t have xXNarutoXx or SwagLord99 in the actual story leading an army to defeat Zhatian, but still. The way he was done was poor in my opinion.

I never wanted him to die though. And the story actually caught me off guard when it was time, and was like, wait wait, what? I didn’t want it to end like that.

People didn’t as much hate Trahearne for taking the credit, as much for being lifeless, useless and with a terrible, terrible voice acting. It was one of the worst characters I’ve met in video games.

I always found the claims that Trahearne was some kind of “Kormir 2.0” immature and largely unfounded. During the Zaithan story, his character suffered from a couple of badly written lines, and sub-par voice acting. The biggest problem might have been the fact that a lot of other characters tell us about “that one time back then when he totally saved my kitten ”, etc., but we don’t get to see the rather bookish Trahearne do such things while we are with him.

The important thing – at least to me – however is that he does threat us (= the player character) with respect, he gives us plenty of credit for the things we do for the pact (while Trahearne is stuck doing strategy stuff – do players really envy him for doing all that organizing stuff instead of being out in the field?), he seeks our council, lets us hear his thoughts, and in general treats us like a friend!

Compare that to, for example, Caithe, who betrayed us, stole from us, and does even take a second and try to explain her motives to us – after all the things we did for her during the Zaithan story, like rescuing her from Faolin, reuniting her “worst soap opera cast in tyrian history”-type of guild, and taking down an Elder Dragon! I’d rather having Trahearne at my side than her any day.

I can’t say was surprised to see Trahearne die at the end of HoT ( I predicted Trahearne, Zoija, and Eir dying. 2/3 I guess…). The moment you see him in that vine pod, you know he’s not coming back out. But I do wish they would have given Trahearne a little bit more agency – he opens the “portal” to the mordrem dream for us, allowing us to strike at Mordremoth’s weak spot; decent enough storytelling. Now imagine after we defeated Mordremoth Trahearne would have told us, he couldn’t be separated from the vines anymore BECAUSE he did that dream portal thing. That would have turned his actions from a were plot device into an actual willing sacrifice, and, in my opinion, a stronger (and more worthy) death.

What I really dislike is how there is no epilogue whatsoever – and no, those few lines your comrades say to you after you are put back into the map don’t count, and the cinematic, while pretty, is a classical sequel hook, not an epilogue. I would have expected a ceremony to commemorate all the pact soldiers that died fighting the mordrem, including the pact marshal. He earned that much during the Zaithan story alone. And I would have also like to see a more personal epilogue between the player character and the companions, checking in with Taimi, Logan/Zoija, etc. And bringing back Caladbolg to the Grove. When I saw that item after the mission I was sure I would be going to bring it “home” to honor my dead friend. Turns out it’s just a souvenir from when you finally we allowed to shank that stupid salad who always stole the spotlight from you. It’s very disappointing.

Yes i am quite happy about it. This kitten guy who bugged in all over my characters at least 10 story missions and forced me to start them new finally got what he deserves for this kitten. I am pleased that he is really dead after i yelled it many times at him on times he only stand arround and didnt move like a kitten plant.

Rurik….
Togo…
Kormir…

…Trahearne…

Suuuuuure there’s no pattern there. (We even got to put Rurik down) Not surprised in the least.

I’m not sad that he’s gone, but I really would have preferred for him to turn horribly evil, and had a really hard, but fun battle, kicking his tuckus. The mercy killing was anti-climactic, and kinda made me feel bad for wanting him dead to begin with.
But he’s gone, and I’m not unhappy about it at all.

What I AM upset about is that I died, and was stuck in that blasted cage-nest when Tybalt came in, and I never even got to see him

My dream of stomping him with the cow finisher is shattered.

I actually never disliked the character, I just thought it bad that as ‘Commander of the Pact’ you were little more than his assistant. The new story-telling is much better.

Mortifer.2946:

So ArenaNet listened to all the whiners who needed to be commanders and gods and whatever, and killed Trehearne… awesome. You made it clap clap … clap

Yes, very ^_^

Compare that to, for example, Caithe, who betrayed us, stole from us, and does even take a second and try to explain her motives to us – after all the things we did for her during the Zaithan story, like rescuing her from Faolin, reuniting her “worst soap opera cast in Tyrian history”-type of guild, and taking down an Elder Dragon! I’d rather having Trahearne at my side than her any day.

It wasn’t a true betrayal though. It was a tough choice for her and she used her judgment knowing what she did would be frowned upon but nevertheless still for the greater good. Faolin though is bad and was why the centaurs attacked them when looking for Caithe’s sister.

Actually, no, no I wasn’t happy with the way the story ended or killing Trehearne. I loved his character and the way he was always “best friend” and mentor feel if we played Sylvari. I knew we were going to kill him because soooo many people wanted it, but honestly out of the two first born we interact with as Sylvari mains (outside of the grand duchess), I dislike Caithe a lot more. There was always an unwillingness and gratitude about Trehearne in the story I loved.

Was he the best character ever? No.

The way they killed him off in the story left me at the end of it going “…” it was unsatisfying, harsh, and rather poorly handled. As a player who mains Sylvari and only has three of my nine eighties not being sylvari, I will say, I hated the ending. The way his death is handled doesn’t tell us how Mordemoth is a seed in his head (was it opening the gate into the dream?) or really anything else. We just kill him with catablog and end up with the shattered pieces of the sword in our inventory (not deleting it ever /cries ).

I feel it was handled such that many Trehearne haters might not even be okay with it at all since they didn’t get smash his face in. And such that those of us who actually either didn’t mind him or loved him, were left with a sour taste in our mouths by the end of the story.

It is going to take me a long time to go back through that part of the story with my alts and for the achieves.

Hypergrip.9673:

Compare that to, for example, Caithe, who betrayed us, stole from us, and does even take a second and try to explain her motives to us

As I was telling a friend last night, Caithe’s motives are not as confusing if you played Sylvari because you already understand the Wyld Hunt. You had your own Wyld Hunt in the first act of your personal story and so when Trahearne steps into your story and proclaims his Wyld Hunt is to cleanse Orr you can 100% relate. If you played core as another race, your Act 1 racial narrative doesn’t get integrated as deeply into the main narrative as does Sylvari’s.

Going further about the Wyld Hunt, when Sylvaris were revealed as minions of Mordremoth, everyone’s Wyld Hunt became suspect to me. Sylvaris lead the attack on Zhaitan and the Marshal’s Wyld Hunt was to cleanse Orr. Sylvari were uncorruptable by Zhaitan. Were the Sylvari a “plant” by Mordremoth to destroy a rival Elder Dragon? I wonder if Trahearne felt extremely manipulated.

This is the only thing that I appreciate since GRR Martin works for ANet . Well, Eir …. different story. I hope he will decide the same fate written for Jon Snow.

Let’s just say I’m gonna hang onto my broken Caladbolg as a memento.
Overall I wish there was some kind of debrief after that.

To be honest I was convinced that trahearne would die before HoT even launched because the majority of players didn’t like him (don’t have a clue why, I was indifferent to him like I am to most other characters, I can’t say I dislike any character though). And when we found only Logan and Zojja in the first 2 pods in mission 15 that 100% confirmed trahearne’s fate to me. Something I still don’t understand was why he was hidden so far away and even above that helix thing when L and Z were much easier to get to. Didn’t make much sense to me other than for giving that as a reason (an excuse, even) for why we could save the other 2 but not him. Overall though, very good storytelling throughout the expansion, though it should have been longer in my opinion. That will definitely be fixed for me in living world season 3 however.

I’d point out that Trahearne is a plant being. Maybe a stick got pruned and can be grown back or something.

Odokuro.5049:

I was glad that we got to end Trehearne…

Soon as he enters YOUR personal story he takes it completely over, and you become his mascot errand boy, running around doing it all, and he takes credit for it…

And making us “Commander” of the Pact? Right, more like Participation Award of the Pact….

None of what you just said is true. At no point during “your” personal story are you working for yourself, except maybe the 20-30 missions.

At no point does Trehearne take any credit for anything you do. At every point does Trehearne and EVERYONE ELSE praise you for how much you’ve done.

I think a good way to bring Trahearne back would be as an NPC resource gatherer we interact with in our home instance. You would buy the Trahearne skin for it and when the day starts you get your resources (chance of failing for rarer stuff, but success depends on your magic find starting from a base of 0%)

You would pay 20s per run and the idea is to lessen crafting burden and allow the player to play the game (but still gather resources himself for extra). Other gemstore gatherer skins would be werewolf, Taimi, Tybalt, a random husk, and Queen Jenna.

Endless Trahearn gathering tool. Says some of his boring speeches during gathering.

“We do this together”
“This is my wild hunt”
“Commander, to me”
“I am no soldier”
“Mordemoth calls to me”
“This plant looks like my cousin”

etc.

I’d buy it, especially if when you gathered you had a chance at “ruined plant parts” as a memento to Trahearn.

Hypergrip.9673:

Now imagine after we defeated Mordremoth Trahearne would have told us, he couldn’t be separated from the vines anymore BECAUSE he did that dream portal thing. That would have turned his actions from a were plot device into an actual willing sacrifice, and, in my opinion, a stronger (and more worthy) death.

I’ve not gotten that far in the story yet, but that’s what I was expecting. They don’t even give him that? Lame.

I guess they figured that if they could stuff an entire norn into the ’fridge, they could find room for a sylvari in the crisper drawer.

I find it really funny that some people are so thoroughly enraged because a video game character is a higher rank than them in a fictional organization and that ANet is so spineless that they felt the need to cater to them by killing off a character.

Jesus Christ, go outside and reevaluate your life.

Chaba.5410:

Going further about the Wyld Hunt, when Sylvaris were revealed as minions of Mordremoth, everyone’s Wyld Hunt became suspect to me. Sylvaris lead the attack on Zhaitan and the Marshal’s Wyld Hunt was to cleanse Orr. Sylvari were uncorruptable by Zhaitan. Were the Sylvari a “plant” by Mordremoth to destroy a rival Elder Dragon? I wonder if Trahearne felt extremely manipulated.

This presumes that the Elder Dragons are in competition somehow. Which, maybe they are, but I don’t think we’ve seen any non-ambiguous evidence of this.

Rather, I think the Pale Tree is genuinely interested in opposing all Elder Dragons, much like Glint apparently was. It’s just that Zhaitan was the most active threat at the time of the PS, hence the number of Wyld Hunts that revolve around combating Zhaitan.

tobascodagama.2961:

Chaba.5410:

Going further about the Wyld Hunt, when Sylvaris were revealed as minions of Mordremoth, everyone’s Wyld Hunt became suspect to me. Sylvaris lead the attack on Zhaitan and the Marshal’s Wyld Hunt was to cleanse Orr. Sylvari were uncorruptable by Zhaitan. Were the Sylvari a “plant” by Mordremoth to destroy a rival Elder Dragon? I wonder if Trahearne felt extremely manipulated.

This presumes that the Elder Dragons are in competition somehow. Which, maybe they are, but I don’t think we’ve seen any non-ambiguous evidence of this.

Rather, I think the Pale Tree is genuinely interested in opposing all Elder Dragons, much like Glint apparently was. It’s just that Zhaitan was the most active threat at the time of the PS, hence the number of Wyld Hunts that revolve around combating Zhaitan.

The real question is whether your (for those characters that are Sylvari) or Caithe’s wyld hunt ever had anything to do with Zhaitan. I played through HoT with a new Sylvari I’d made specifically for going into HoT and the dragon I fought in the dream definitely wasn’t related to Zhaitan.

The Pale Tree always knew about Mordremoth. It’s entirely possible that she knew the time was coming and so your Wyld Hunt was always intended to be Mordremoth. But since you didn’t know about it and she wasn’t going to tell you if she could help it, she let you think it was Zhaitan, because what would it hurt if you got a little elder dragon killing under your wings before going for the real prize.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rurik….
Togo…
Kormir…

…Trahearne…

Suuuuuure there’s no pattern there. (We even got to put Rurik down) Not surprised in the least.

Ha. And you’re also missing about 40 other major characters. Anet really likes to kill off its characters. They need to come up with some new hardships to add drama to the lives of their NPCs, right now we just know the drama comes from a death.

Yes indeed i am, i got the darn sword that should be mine in the first place (even if its just a 1 hand sword version rather then a gs and its also broken and i cant use it as engi but watch me give a kitten, for me its more the thought behind it), that darn spotlight stealing, as pact leader unfit radish who dared to command me, a darn iron legion zenturio with leadership and war experience arround bit the dust, i didnt see nor hear him till the end and actually gave the darn orders for once… even effin rytlock brimstone took my orders i mean omg how epic… and i was able to fight with tybalt side by side one last time what was the highlight for me. So yea.. everything is nice now, my universe is in order again and my dignity got restored…thanks a-net.

I am glad that Trahearne is gone. I will be happier still if it becomes clear that he was killed off, not as a knee-jerk reaction to being disliked by some portion of the player base, but rather because Anet is committing to better character writing going forward and have realized that this particular character carried too much baggage to be salvaged.

I do not blame Trahearne for stealing credit for anything as I am unaware of an instance in which he did so. I do consider him to be a poorly conceived and terribly implemented character on almost every level. He actively detracted from the experience of the story for me and so I am glad to see him go.

For those who liked Trahearne, my condolences. Hopefully characters introduced in the future will appeal to you while also being better written, or at least less obnoxiously written, for others.

Daralii.8940:

I find it really funny that some people are so thoroughly enraged because a video game character is a higher rank than them in a fictional organization and that ANet is so spineless that they felt the need to cater to them by killing off a character.

Jesus Christ, go outside and reevaluate your life.

Thoroughly enraged is a gross overstatement, we are “merely” a bit annoyed.

Fluffball.8307:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rurik….
Togo…
Kormir…

…Trahearne…

Suuuuuure there’s no pattern there. (We even got to put Rurik down) Not surprised in the least.

Ha. And you’re also missing about 40 other major characters. Anet really likes to kill off its characters. They need to come up with some new hardships to add drama to the lives of their NPCs, right now we just know the drama comes from a death.

I was keeping the list short lol.

Regretably they did exactly the same as with Scarlet. Fan service for the vocal part of the community, certainly not the whole community. It certainly is something of the last years, not only games, but everywhere. Facilitating to the wining internet vocal community.

WOOOHOOOO Best spoiler ever, I’m so tempted to buy HoT now.

on the side note: what do you thing about visual appearance of Mordremoth? The thing we saw in the dream was just some avatar, and Mordremoth itself doesn’t look like a dragon at all, and in fact, he is just a continent-big plant? WTF? Why is he called dragon?

It was pretty much the best thing that has ever happened to me.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Fluffball.8307:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rurik….
Togo…
Kormir…

…Trahearne…

Suuuuuure there’s no pattern there. (We even got to put Rurik down) Not surprised in the least.

Ha. And you’re also missing about 40 other major characters. Anet really likes to kill off its characters. They need to come up with some new hardships to add drama to the lives of their NPCs, right now we just know the drama comes from a death.

I was keeping the list short lol.

By Ogden’s hammer, that’s a short list.

I was pretty happy.

It was meh. I think both his death and Eirs were there just to have someone die. Like Quicksilver in AoU.

The stakes needed to be high, so someone had to die, so I guess Anet though both characters were expendable or felt they had nowhere to go with them story wise.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rurik….
Togo…
Kormir…

…Trahearne…

Suuuuuure there’s no pattern there. (We even got to put Rurik down) Not surprised in the least.

Ah but there IS. They were all ungrateful whiny jerks . I still want my Dwarven Ale kitten it ! Rurik was such a cheapskate

What if they killed off Eir so she could be the revs next elite spec…

Frigoris.7853:

What if they killed off Eir so she could be the revs next elite spec…

they never should have done it in the first place and the way they did it was craptacular at best . If they were going to do it they should of at least had her go out in a blaze of glory not like….that ….