Guild Wars 2

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

I never said it would be broken. It seems you refused to read anything else beyond that point. All I have been saying is that this is not an expansion. Its not big enough.

I have no clue how you can say its too small to be a expansion when they have released no details what-so-ever about what the expansion and only feature names. Unless you have found these leaked documents somewhere and have already over-viewed them? If so, please cite your sources. It sounds like you’re only catastrophizing a subject where you know nothing yourself. as they have shared nothing, not even a release date. I deduce this thread is toxic in itself because assuming before something happens is bad as the bible trumpeters predicting the end of the world.

Walhalla.5473:

… well they said that for the original Dungeons before Release, so I’m a bit sceptical about this …

dungeons Were challenging at release but after 2 years everyone and their moms have played thought each path a thousand times so its bound to get old and trivial

Walhalla.5473:

I know the ones who know exactly, how big this Expansion will be. We all know them. The only one who can tell if the expansion is small or big. It’s the Devs from Anet. Only they can tell if the content, they are releasing with HoT is big or small.

What do WE know? We know, that an Expansion is coming, it’s Name, the Place where we are going to, that it comes with a Mastery System, new Challenging Content ( well they said that for the original Dungeons before Release, so I’m a bit sceptical about this ), a new PvP Mode, new WvW Map and one Specilization for every Class + a new Class.

What do we don’t know. Well everything else. We don’t know how big these Features will be or how Game Changing they are. We only know that these Features exist.

So we can’t say that this expansion is too small as a matter of fact, since we know, well not much about it.

Masteries and Specializations are definitely game changers but they are small. A few added abilities , skills , traits. Not every one will be running their specializations 24/7 because they won’t be able to use some skills from the base profession.

The new region will be small but have lots going on in it. Still small.

1 new pvp map, 1 new wvw map. guild halls that should have been at release. Precursor crafting was promised to be released last year!

The devs called these MAJOR FEATURES. Doesn’t seem that much content to me. Which means any other features will just be quality of life for the core game.

So yah we do know what we are going to get in terms of major features which is a very small list. The only thing that is not clear is what is going to be added to the core game.

TLDR: We do have sufficient information to base the opinion that this expansion is too small to be an expansion.

Brimstar.9036:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

I never said it would be broken. It seems you refused to read anything else beyond that point. All I have been saying is that this is not an expansion. Its not big enough.

I have no clue how you can say its too small to be a expansion when they have released no details what-so-ever about what the expansion and only feature names. Unless you have found these leaked documents somewhere and have already over-viewed them? If so, please cite your sources. It sounds like you’re only catastrophizing a subject where you know nothing yourself. as they have shared nothing, not even a release date. I deduce this thread is toxic in itself because assuming before something happens is bad as the bible trumpeters predicting the end of the world.

Did you not watch the PAX announcement or read any interviews? There are loads of details on each feature from many interviews. Colin didn’t stand up on stage and say “guild halls, stronghold, Maguuma region, masteries, specializations, wvw map” He said those things and then gave a few examples and details. It is so hard not to offend someone but really people don’t seem to want to listen to everything being said. DAT fanboism.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

This thread hurts to look at.

As a guy I don’t like when people say “It’s too small”.

XD LOL

The discussion in this thread is long gone. Everything is repeated 100th times, this is pointless because neither side will admit the other is right. Stop with the bickering and just wait for the blogs/expansion and you can decide whether you will buy it or not.

aktharr.2389:

I don’t care what anybody says, i’m still buying it whether you like it or not

This is the most sensible thing I have seen posted in this thread for a while. Thank you, and have a +1

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

I never said it would be broken. It seems you refused to read anything else beyond that point. All I have been saying is that this is not an expansion. Its not big enough.

I have no clue how you can say its too small to be a expansion when they have released no details what-so-ever about what the expansion and only feature names. Unless you have found these leaked documents somewhere and have already over-viewed them? If so, please cite your sources. It sounds like you’re only catastrophizing a subject where you know nothing yourself. as they have shared nothing, not even a release date. I deduce this thread is toxic in itself because assuming before something happens is bad as the bible trumpeters predicting the end of the world.

Did you not watch the PAX announcement or read any interviews? There are loads of details on each feature from many interviews. Colin didn’t stand up on stage and say “guild halls, stronghold, Maguuma region, masteries, specializations, wvw map” He said those things and then gave a few examples and details. OR was your fanboy meter passed 11 and couldn’t comprehend anything other than big words?

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

Brimstar.9036:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

I never said it would be broken. It seems you refused to read anything else beyond that point. All I have been saying is that this is not an expansion. Its not big enough.

I have no clue how you can say its too small to be a expansion when they have released no details what-so-ever about what the expansion and only feature names. Unless you have found these leaked documents somewhere and have already over-viewed them? If so, please cite your sources. It sounds like you’re only catastrophizing a subject where you know nothing yourself. as they have shared nothing, not even a release date. I deduce this thread is toxic in itself because assuming before something happens is bad as the bible trumpeters predicting the end of the world.

Did you not watch the PAX announcement or read any interviews? There are loads of details on each feature from many interviews. Colin didn’t stand up on stage and say “guild halls, stronghold, Maguuma region, masteries, specializations, wvw map” He said those things and then gave a few examples and details. OR was your fanboy meter passed 11 and couldn’t comprehend anything other than big words?

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

So The ranger being able to turn into a druid through specialization is not a concrete detail to you? Might I add that the ranger will be able to use a staff?

Can ppl just stop with the “should have been here at release” entitled bullcrap? Did you see Anet say that those features would be available at release anywhere? Because if you didn’t then saying it should’ve been here at release is just bs
And no, we are not getting 1 pvp map. We are getting 1 pvp game mode, and we don’t know how many maps there will be in it, could be 1 or 10, WE DON’T KNOW
mimimimi the new region is too small, stop kittening judging the maps by their horizontal area, it’s a VERTICAL MAP, and don’t even know how many we’ll be getting.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

So The ranger being able to turn into a druid through specialization is not a concrete detail to you? Might I add that the ranger will be able to use a staff?

I believe Brimstar used a poor choice of words. No one is arguing you are not using concrete information, they are arguing you are using incomplete information.

Samhaim.8956:

Can ppl just stop with the “should have been here at release” entitled bullcrap? Did you see Anet say that those features would be available at release anywhere? Because if you didn’t then saying it should’ve been here at release is just bs
And no, we are not getting 1 pvp map. We are getting 1 pvp game mode, and we don’t know how many maps there will be in it, could be 1 or 10, WE DON’T KNOW
mimimimi the new region is too small, stop kittening judging the maps by their horizontal area, it’s a VERTICAL MAP, and don’t even know how many we’ll be getting.

Actually we are only getting 1 spvp map with that 1 spvp mode. The devs said so. They also said if stronghold was successful they would add more.

Its not about entitlement. It is definitely not bullcrap. These features that should have been at release are features that many MMO games have at release! INCLUDING GW1 Anet doesn’t have to say whether or not they would have them because us gamers expected to have guild halls in guild wars 2 as they did in GW1. I mean why back peddle?

I’m happy they released the game when they did. MMO’s are meant to change over time, it’s right on the box warning purchasers that this will happen. Should they never add any feature because they “should have” done it earlier and now it’s too late?

Rin.1046:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

So The ranger being able to turn into a druid through specialization is not a concrete detail to you? Might I add that the ranger will be able to use a staff?

I believe Brimstar used a poor choice of words. No one is arguing you are not using concrete information, they are arguing you are using incomplete information.

Thank you Rin, yes, major incomplete information is a better word.

Rin.1046:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

So The ranger being able to turn into a druid through specialization is not a concrete detail to you? Might I add that the ranger will be able to use a staff?

I believe Brimstar used a poor choice of words. No one is arguing you are not using concrete information, they are arguing you are using incomplete information.

SO complete information would be to list all of the skills a druid has plus all other profession specializations. All of the fauna and flora in the new map/region. All of nooks and crannies in both the 1 single pvp map and single wvw map.

I mean come on. Its obvious that specializations and masteries will provide you with an easier or different way to kill things. Still clicking the same buttons though. Its like you are trying to make things complicated to make things interesting when these things are so simple and ahem “small”

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Walhalla.5473:

I know the ones who know exactly, how big this Expansion will be. We all know them. The only one who can tell if the expansion is small or big. It’s the Devs from Anet. Only they can tell if the content, they are releasing with HoT is big or small.

What do WE know? We know, that an Expansion is coming, it’s Name, the Place where we are going to, that it comes with a Mastery System, new Challenging Content ( well they said that for the original Dungeons before Release, so I’m a bit sceptical about this ), a new PvP Mode, new WvW Map and one Specilization for every Class + a new Class.

What do we don’t know. Well everything else. We don’t know how big these Features will be or how Game Changing they are. We only know that these Features exist.

So we can’t say that this expansion is too small as a matter of fact, since we know, well not much about it.

Masteries and Specializations are definitely game changers but they are small. A few added abilities , skills , traits. Not every one will be running their specializations 24/7 because they won’t be able to use some skills from the base profession.

Source? And btw how do you define few?

The new region will be small but have lots going on in it. Still small.

A couple of maps like Silverwastes are more packed full with content than double the maps like Brisban Wildlands. So you want lots of empty space instead of actual content on that said map? Why does it matter if the overall land size of the map is small or large? The content inside is what count.

1 new pvp map, 1 new wvw map. guild halls that should have been at release. Precursor crafting was promised to be released last year!

1 new pvp game mode, we have 2 other game modes out of which one of them has 1 map also. Stronghold appears to be more complex than Conquest so we’ll have to wait and see how much more complex and interesting it is before we judge, shall we?

1 new wvw map out of the 3 we already have (one Borderland that repeats itself, Eternal Battlegrounds and Edge of the Mists), I guess it will all depend once again on how big and how interesting this new map is going to be. Edge of the Mists is smaller than Eternal Battlegrounds, yet it’s more packed full with content. Borderlands have loads of empty space too.

The devs called these MAJOR FEATURES. Doesn’t seem that much content to me. Which means any other features will just be quality of life for the core game.

They sure did, and those features DO look like much content.

TLDR: We do have sufficient information to base the opinion that this expansion is too small to be an expansion.

Actually we don’t, you make it sound like we do but we don’t. Try harder

What do you mean try harder? I stated my opinion and my expectations for an actual expansion are different from those who are blinded by hype.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

What do you mean try harder? I stated my opinion and my expectations for an actual expansion are different from those who are blinded by hype.

Yet you have no source to base your “expansion is small” argument. You have nothing, yet you repeat it all the time trying to make it look true while it isn’t.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Rin.1046:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

So The ranger being able to turn into a druid through specialization is not a concrete detail to you? Might I add that the ranger will be able to use a staff?

I believe Brimstar used a poor choice of words. No one is arguing you are not using concrete information, they are arguing you are using incomplete information.

SO complete information would be to list all of the skills a druid has plus all other profession specializations. All of the fauna and flora in the new map/region. All of nooks and crannies in both the 1 single pvp map and single wvw map.

I mean come on. Its obvious that specializations and masteries will provide you with an easier or different way to kill things. Still clicking the same buttons though. Its like you are trying to make things complicated to make things interesting when these things are so simple and ahem “small”

I am not going to repeat myself, or others, because it has already been made abundantly clear what we don’t know yet. But I will just add the following:

What does the term expansion mean? In terms of GW2 it basically means to expand the systems of the core game. With this in mind I can see at least 4 features in HoT that have the potential to do that: Specializations, Masteries, the new borderland mechanics and the new PvP game mode.

All of these systems will allow Anet to add more content to these features in the future. We will get more specializations, more masteries, more improvements to the core WvW maps and more stronghold maps.

So while you are only seeing things like how many maps and skills we are getting, I and others are seeing that Anet are also expanding the core systems ready for future (likely free) content.

Rin.1046:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Rin.1046:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Brimstar.9036:

Clearly, you’ve gone past the Point of No Return, you’re within to the point where you’re actually labeling and name calling me like a someone would if they’re feeling threaten with logic and reason. Get a hold of yourself man, this isn’t productive for a thread at all. They’ve shared no concrete details of the expansion yet, the same reiterated details in every other interview. I’m done with this thread, take care.

So The ranger being able to turn into a druid through specialization is not a concrete detail to you? Might I add that the ranger will be able to use a staff?

I believe Brimstar used a poor choice of words. No one is arguing you are not using concrete information, they are arguing you are using incomplete information.

SO complete information would be to list all of the skills a druid has plus all other profession specializations. All of the fauna and flora in the new map/region. All of nooks and crannies in both the 1 single pvp map and single wvw map.

I mean come on. Its obvious that specializations and masteries will provide you with an easier or different way to kill things. Still clicking the same buttons though. Its like you are trying to make things complicated to make things interesting when these things are so simple and ahem “small”

I am not going to repeat myself, or others, because it has already been made abundantly clear what we don’t know yet. But I will just add the following:

What does the term expansion mean? In terms of GW2 it basically means to expand the systems of the core game. With this in mind I can see at least 4 features in HoT that have the potential to do that: Specializations, Masteries, the new borderland mechanics and the new PvP game mode.

All of these systems will allow Anet to add more content to these features in the future. We will get more specializations, more masteries, more improvements to the core WvW maps and more stronghold maps.

So while you are only seeing things like how many maps and skills we are getting, I and others are seeing that Anet are also expanding the core systems ready for future (likely free) content.

I agree that these new features will set the stage for what is to come, but I still wouldn’t call it an expansion. I call it an improvement and Anet has been improving GW2 for 2 years without a word such as expansion.

You do have that right, sure, but also we still don’t know how expansive everything is. We don’t have -that- much information despite all we’ve learned.

—We don’t know the exact sizes of the areas we will be able to access across the three biomes
— We don’t know how extensive the specialisations will be whether they replace all trait lines for the class or just one
—We don’t know how masteries work 100% yet we have very little information on them aside from the base description and a few examples with no detailed information
—We don’t know how much content Guild Halls will actually be adding to the game (do I think they should have been included at launch, sure, but I’m not being a whiny brat about it), on top of if they are going to be utilized for GvG purposes which is being added to the game as well
—We don’t know how much content the Revenant itself might be adding, we still know nothing about how it is actually going to be introduced into the game alongside the other classes from a lore perspective
—We don’t know how abundant using the hang glider will be in the new zones, we can speculate a lot, but we still don’t have that kind of detailed information
—We don’t know if they are going to ‘turn their back’ on the Living World, very likely -not-, so you can’t make any kinds of claims like this

We simply don’t have enough information and I think you’re jumping the gun based upon a rather…irrational emotional response to needing to spend money on an expansion. You have to consider that if they bundled this stuff into Living World it wouldn’t be released all in one big go, it’d be released across -months- of the Living World where -those- were small and had relatively very bland content that you could blow through in a day, if even that. Sure it was good for story, but outside of that…it’s very dry content wise and only lasted for very brief periods. Silverwastes was nice and all, and I think that it’s how they should have done Orr, but that is only one piece of literally -months- of other Living World pieces from Season 2.

Don’t be cheap. Not wanting to pay for a subscription is one thing, but basically trying to find every and any excuse at all to try and justify -not- paying for this, or complaining about having to pay for it, is just tremendously annoying since you’ve made -multiple- threads just dedicated to whining.

See Rin , everyone else is making the argument about how we don’t know how many whatever/skills/ traits/ bushes on the northwest side of the map there is, and I am over here saying quantity in that sense doesn’t mean crap.

Obtena.7952:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Picture this.

You buy a ew $60 game , you get through 3/4 of the game with tons of lore. The last 10% is blocked off behind a pay wall.

This is what the expansion feels like in terms of story.

Living Story since the beginning has lead up to Mordremoth.

Does this expansion let you kill Mordremoth? It feels kind of messed up to play Living Story all the way to the climax and then be blocked by a pay wall.

IMO Living Story was a success because even though it was tiny 2 week updates it matches the amount of time to push out an expansion. Like pushing out content when it gets finished instead of building up to a release date to vomit all over the game.

It was like the players were on a ride with the developers with Living Story , now its like the developers are sitting back watching the ants in their new ant farm theme park. Living Story has improved greatly and it feels like we won’t be getting any more LS because some conservatives wanted an expac.

Personally, I attribute this approach to intelligent marketing … people should stop feeling so entitled to free stuff, including the conclusion of LS.

Put it this way … what if ALL of LS was behind a paywall. It would suck way more.

ok, so when you BUY a movie do you see it as a good thing to BUY another movie just because the last 30 minutes are on a different disk?
ofcouse not, when you buy a movie you want the whole movie, not 2/3 the movie, that’s what the LS is right now and that’s a valid argument.

there is no free stuff entitlement, it’s asking to complete the story (movie) before moving on.
oh and the LS isn’t free entirely, you have to pay for it when you missed it the 2 weeks it came out.

Actually the point you’re making about it is that it -is- about the quantity. You’re the one who said “too small”.

Sure it might seem like there is less content or features coming with this than your typical expansion, but the -quantity- of such things actually factors into it in that case.

Not to mention the content of this expansion falls right in line with GW2. Its quite literally -expanding- rather than adding some standalone game to their original. Which is what Factions and Nightfall were on GW1 and EOTN was the actual legitimate -expansion- for GW1 and added, comparatively, just about the same amount of content. Not to mention it’s just as Rin said, this is going to shape the path for newer features and further expansions upon the rest of the game.

Anet actually put their patches, Living World and Feature Packs together, to take the basis of one thing and expand upon it. The same will very much happen with HoT I imagine. Maintaining a MMORPG is a much longer ordeal than just one release and they want to lay a foundation for things to come so they can tweak and fine tune things along the way and make things better.

Which, honestly, is a smart move from the developer standpoint.

Don’t forget how atrocious dungeons were back when GW2 released in terms of even being -slightly- rewarding.

KryTiKaL.3125:

Actually the point you’re making about it is that it -is- about the quantity. You’re the one who said “too small”.

Sure it might seem like there is less content or features coming with this than your typical expansion, but the -quantity- of such things actually factors into it in that case.

Not to mention the content of this expansion falls right in line with GW2. Its quite literally -expanding- rather than adding some standalone game to their original. Which is what Factions and Nightfall were on GW1 and EOTN was the actual legitimate -expansion- for GW1 and added, comparatively, just about the same amount of content. Not to mention it’s just as Rin said, this is going to shape the path for newer features and further expansions upon the rest of the game.

Anet actually put their patches, Living World and Feature Packs together, to take the basis of one thing and expand upon it. The same will very much happen with HoT I imagine. Maintaining a MMORPG is a much longer ordeal than just one release and they want to lay a foundation for things to come so they can tweak and fine tune things along the way and make things better.

Which, honestly, is a smart move from the developer standpoint.

Don’t forget how atrocious dungeons were back when GW2 released in terms of even being -slightly- rewarding.

Small may have been the wrong word to use. Fix is more like it.

There really aren’t that many features coming from this expansion. Not that much content either. So yes it is small compared to my expectations for an expansion, Maybe small is the wrong word. lackluster would be wrong too.

I just simply wouldn’t call it an expansion. It doesn’t feel like one. It feels like a fix to the game that the player community was asking for and now has to pay for it. We really don’t know the price , and if its anything over $20 then it really would be too small to be called an expansion.

sorudo.9054:

ok, so when you BUY a movie do you see it as a good thing to BUY another movie just because the last 30 minutes are on a different disk?
ofcouse not, when you buy a movie you want the whole movie, not 2/3 the movie, that’s what the LS is right now and that’s a valid argument.

there is no free stuff entitlement, it’s asking to complete the story (movie) before moving on.
oh and the LS isn’t free entirely, you have to pay for it when you missed it the 2 weeks it came out.

LS was concluded, all of it was leading up to the pact airship attack to mordremoth, the attack happened and it failed, that was the conclusion, what happens beyong this point is a follow-up, use movies such a LoTR and Star Wars as examples.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Actually we are only getting 1 spvp map with that 1 spvp mode. The devs said so. They also said if stronghold was successful they would add more.

Its not about entitlement. It is definitely not bullcrap. These features that should have been at release are features that many MMO games have at release! INCLUDING GW1 Anet doesn’t have to say whether or not they would have them because us gamers expected to have guild halls in guild wars 2 as they did in GW1. I mean why back peddle?

Many MMO’s have them at launch, and many don’t, one that i can think of at the top of my head is Tera. Just because a feature was present in gw it doesn’t mean it should be present at launch on gw2, it’s a whole different game with a different main story focus and goal that shares the same lore. When ppl say it should’ve been here from launch it’s like they’re not taking into consideration the amount of work put into adding it now, it’s not like they can just copy and paste things from gw into gw2, if it was any other MMO adding it and marketing as a xpac feature i doubt ppl would be so condescending about it, so just take a step back and stop with the “it should’ve been here at launch”, it wasn’t, get over it and just enjoy that they’re adding something you like to the game after all it is something new and we don’t even know what we’ll be able to do in them yet, as i’m pretty sure they won’t serve the same purposes the served in gw.
Also i would like to see where exactly is it that you’re seeing that we’ll get only 1 pvp map, because from all the interviews i’ve read so far i have seen nothing of sorts

yup Samhaim , we all will be taking it up the tailpipe for Anet.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Still clicking the same buttons though.

True, instead of WASD, the game should change completely to call it an expansion. We should start using UHJK with the skills on 7890 and using F8, F9 F10 and F11.

This guy should be a developer!

As much as it’s nice to see the additions of new skins, I think I speak for most when I say I want new ways to play. I want more than just a few utilities, weapons, elites and traits. More ways to play the game with your current toon is a lot more fun than just new areas to explore. In my opinion

Arken.3725:

As much as it’s nice to see the additions of new skins, I think I speak for most when I say I want new ways to play. I want more than just a few utilities, weapons, elites and traits. More ways to play the game with your current toon is a lot more fun than just new areas to explore. In my opinion

You mean like hang gliding? Cause thats a new way to play, and just from the pax announcement theres going to be other things like hang gliding. sooo…

Dante.1763:

Arken.3725:

As much as it’s nice to see the additions of new skins, I think I speak for most when I say I want new ways to play. I want more than just a few utilities, weapons, elites and traits. More ways to play the game with your current toon is a lot more fun than just new areas to explore. In my opinion

You mean like hang gliding? Cause thats a new way to play, and just from the pax announcement theres going to be other things like hang gliding. sooo…

Seems like you know what things there will be that will be like hang gliding. Can you tell us? Or did you imagine that there would be other modes of travel?

Dante.1763:

Arken.3725:

As much as it’s nice to see the additions of new skins, I think I speak for most when I say I want new ways to play. I want more than just a few utilities, weapons, elites and traits. More ways to play the game with your current toon is a lot more fun than just new areas to explore. In my opinion

You mean like hang gliding? Cause thats a new way to play, and just from the pax announcement theres going to be other things like hang gliding. sooo…

Not the same at all. It’s just another way to travel aside from waypoints.

Edit: Just to reiterate, the game is amazing and has a lot of quality features. Just after 2 years, i’d like more ways to play with my character.

What if ….

Anet announced Heart of Thorns as the Season 3 free living story instead of calling it an expansion and said every thing the exact same about all its features and details in the interviews?

Would people be just as hyped or more meh? Judging by the attitude and mentality of some people I would think it would lean towards the meh side all because of a price tag. Is that not insanity?

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

What if ….

Anet announced Heart of Thorns as the Season 3 free living story instead of calling it an expansion and said every thing the exact same about all its features and details in the interviews?

Would people be just as hyped or more meh? Judging by the attitude and mentality of some people I would think it would lean towards the meh side all because of a price tag. Is that not insanity?

i’d be even more hyped since i wouldn’t have to pay for it, since at least to me it seems like it’ll give me a lot to do with my characters and it will give me reasons to try out other classes, plus depending on what kind of challenging group content they’ll add it could give me the same exciting feeling i got while doing dungeons for the first time and when they released the molten/aetherblade instances, sadly that’s no the case and they need to make money somehow since they can’t just keep on pumping out content for free and live off of whatever they make from gem sales.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Seems like you know what things there will be that will be like hang gliding. Can you tell us? Or did you imagine that there would be other modes of travel?

Or stop being so condescending to people who dont share your opinion. I dont know that there will be other TRAVEL modes, but Colin did say that there would be OTHER THINGS that use the mastery system, LIKE hang gliding. Im not saying there will be other modes of travel. i AM saying wait till they start going into detail on what the Mastery system, and the other systems that they announced, and didnt go to deep on, Will consists of. Instead of jumping the gun and saying its to small, to early. What we got at PAX was an overview of the MAJOR things, not even the MINOR things that will probably be coming with the expansion. But that doesnt seem to be able to get into your head, as im not the only person whos said that in this thread.

And a qoute from another thread that is relevant to this thread.

psizone.8437:

Kaleban.9834:

Yes, GW2 is subscription free, but so was GW1, and its expansions certainly were not the price of a full game, AND they brought sizable new lands, two new classes, entirely new storylines, etc. .

GW1 technically only had one expansion, Nightfall and Factions were separate games that could be played together and they were, as far as I can remember, full priced games similar to the original game.

Eye of the North was the only full expansion.

EoTN Features compared to HoT:
1. No new classes. Heart of Thorns has 1 new class.
2. 100 new profession skills (10 per profession). HoT has specialisations which have an unknown number of new skills and traits.
3. 50 new PvE only skills. HoT has the new Mastery system that seems to be similar I guess.
4. 10 new heroes. Guild Wars 2 doesn’t use the Heroes system.
5. 124 new quests and a new storyline. HoT has an unknown amount of new quests and at least 1 storyline.
6. 4 new regions. HoT is said to have 3 (I think I read that anyway, can’t confirm right now)
7. 41 new armour sets. HoT has an unknown number of new sets.

For reference, Eye of the North cost around $40 (£25) on release.

Can someone show me a picture or a quote which clearly shows HoT will only include 1 “small” map?

Afaik, they only said there would be a new “region” and that they would have 3 levels of verticality. You guys know Ascalon is a “region” right? It includes 6 maps, a city, and two dungeons.

It seems like people are ignoring something. We purchased GW2 and got LS1, LS2 and 2 feature packs. I’m not going to argue if they gave us enough content or not for the time between GW2 release and HoT, but fact mains that we got content. We paid for the core game and still got lots of free content. What makes you think we won’t get a feature pack and another LS with HoT?

I’m dissapointed that we get only 1 spec on HoT launch, but at least i know that if it turns out to be a success and people like it, ANet will add another one, for free. If we get only 1 Stronghold map, im confident they will add more. Keep in mind this is their first GW2 expansion. Don’t compare it to GW1, they work entirely different. I’ll admit, im starting to get tired of their ‘’building the groundwork,’’ but this time it’s acceptable because, again, it’s their first expansion. I’m confident that they will deliver us great content, with even more to come.

Anyways, these are my opinions so of course some of you will disagree, but i’m buying it, regardless of price, no other game gave me same ammount of hours for the price i payed.

Xenon.4537:

Can someone show me a picture or a quote which clearly shows HoT will only include 1 “small” map?

There is none actually, only some people do their own failed interpretation to “convince” others that the expansion is small.

Exroyal.9053:

It seems like people are ignoring something. We purchased GW2 and got LS1, LS2 and 2 feature packs. I’m not going to argue if they gave us enough content or not for the time between GW2 release and HoT, but fact mains that we got content. We paid for the core game and still got lots of free content. What makes you think we won’t get a feature pack and another LS with HoT?

I’m dissapointed that we get only 1 spec on HoT launch, but at least i know that if it turns out to be a success and people like it, ANet will add another one, for free. If we get only 1 Stronghold map, im confident they will add more. Keep in mind this is their first GW2 expansion. Don’t compare it to GW1, they work entirely different. I’ll admit, im starting to get tired of their ‘’building the groundwork,’’ but this time it’s acceptable because, again, it’s their first expansion. I’m confident that they will deliver us great content, with even more to come.

Anyways, these are my opinions so of course some of you will disagree, but i’m buying it, regardless of price, no other game gave me same ammount of hours for the price i payed.

Exactly. Even if for some people the expansion might seem to cost “too much”, there is no indication that they won’t continue expanding the game with new FREE LS updates after the expansion is released. So you are not paying only for the expansion content, but for the next year (or years, based on how often they will release expansions in the future) worth of updates too.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

What if ….

Anet announced Heart of Thorns as the Season 3 free living story instead of calling it an expansion and said every thing the exact same about all its features and details in the interviews?

Would people be just as hyped or more meh? Judging by the attitude and mentality of some people I would think it would lean towards the meh side all because of a price tag. Is that not insanity?

That would be pretty insane. The amount they give for free is already close to crazy. I haven’t seen any single game give anything for crazy.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

The discussion in this thread is long gone. Everything is repeated 100th times, this is pointless because neither side will admit the other is right. Stop with the bickering and just wait for the blogs/expansion and you can decide whether you will buy it or not.

Oh come on. one more time. This expansion is too small to be an expansion. Its more like a fix to what should already been in the game. The details included within many interviews and the PAX announcement were sufficient evidence for me to have this opinion. Some features should have already been in the game or released through living world content.

Im not trying to sway minds of the fanbase though it seems I have made faces red with anger. My thread was more of a suggestion to the devs that what they have put on the table as Major Features is just not enough for the expansion name label.

Since this thread has not been given any love from any dev or forum dev I can only assume that they think they have something big up their sleeve. I have the right to remain un-hyped about it.

Its like the forum gods came after me and told me " You will pay for it and you will like it!" Yes I will pay for it , I will like it, but I will also feel a little empty inside knowing that Anet thinks they failed at Living Story and had to pander to traditional thinkers.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Im not trying to sway minds of the fanbase though it seems I have made faces red with anger. My thread was more of a suggestion to the devs that what they have put on the table as Major Features is just not enough for the expansion name label.

Since this thread has not been given any love from any dev or forum dev I can only assume that they think they have something big up their sleeve. I have the right to remain un-hyped about it.

I think it’s a bit late to not call it an expansion. Either way, they already called it an expansion and they have every right to call it an expansion no matter what your opinion of that is. Plus I doubt anyone here is really angry, other than pointing out that you base your opinion on some information, but incomplete information. Which doesn’t mean you can not have that opinion of course, but it does mean you probably will stand with a minority, until we can see the whole picture more clearly.

Of course you can remain un-hyped, personally I’m not really someone who is hyped about anything at all and take everything at face value. If ArenaNet decides to release it this way, then I don’t really mind paying for any update, as for the last 2 years we gotten most things for free. If this means they have more money for more free updates for a while then that’s pretty good all together. Plus after 2 years, it’s not bad that people who can’t or won’t buy gems need to pitch in too to further the development of the game.

That and I dunno why a developer would post in this thread. :p There’s nothing in here that they can react to. It’s not going to be called something else than an expansion. It’s not suddenly going to be free either, deals have been made, the publisher calculated how much they need to invest and can expect back. SO what is the point really? Just that you’re stubborn about not calling it an expansion, while the rest of the world will just call it an expansion. Very hipster of you.

FrizzFreston.5290:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Im not trying to sway minds of the fanbase though it seems I have made faces red with anger. My thread was more of a suggestion to the devs that what they have put on the table as Major Features is just not enough for the expansion name label.

Since this thread has not been given any love from any dev or forum dev I can only assume that they think they have something big up their sleeve. I have the right to remain un-hyped about it.

I think it’s a bit late to not call it an expansion. Either way, they already called it an expansion and they have every right to call it an expansion no matter what your opinion of that is. Plus I doubt anyone here is really angry, other than pointing out that you base your opinion on some information, but incomplete information. Which doesn’t mean you can not have that opinion of course, but it does mean you probably will stand with a minority, until we can see the whole picture more clearly.

Of course you can remain un-hyped, personally I’m not really someone who is hyped about anything at all and take everything at face value. If ArenaNet decides to release it this way, then I don’t really mind paying for any update, as for the last 2 years we gotten most things for free. If this means they have more money for more free updates for a while then that’s pretty good all together. Plus after 2 years, it’s not bad that people who can’t or won’t buy gems need to pitch in too to further the development of the game.

That and I dunno why a developer would post in this thread. :p There’s nothing in here that they can react to. It’s not going to be called something else than an expansion. It’s not suddenly going to be free either, deals have been made, the publisher calculated how much they need to invest and can expect back. SO what is the point really? Just that you’re stubborn about not calling it an expansion, while the rest of the world will just call it an expansion. Very hipster of you.

Wow. I guess there is a first time for everything. Someone actually calls me a hipster. Just because I disagree with a couple of people on the forums and how content is being delivered.

Its hip to be square. So hip to be a square.

BTW I do spend real money for gems. Everyone assumes I just want a handout. This is definitely not the case. and here is the echo:

If living story is a success Anet would not have to make an expansion. The living story was improving so much with new maps and better story with pretty good rewards. Anet probably makes this “expansion” based off of the opinions on Season 1 because many people didn’t like it. So it would be obvious that they started making this expansion between season 1 and 2.

It is really easy to assume that we will be killing mordremoth in this expansion. If that is not the case then what is going to be epic coming out of this expansion?

It would have been great to be given the notion before all of the living story started that they would be ending the current storyline with an expansion. I would have been fine with that.

Where does it ever say in the vastness of the internet that Anet was hurting for money? How can anyone make the argument " Anet has to make money somehow"? Loads of people throw at least $50 each in the gem shop. I know people who actually got thank you mail and received extra stuff for supporting Anet this way.

“deals have been made, the publisher calculated how much they need to invest and can expect back.” Deals with who? NCsoft? Is anet going to come out with TV commercials? Anet claims that NCsoft has little say on what goes on at their studio. Its probably why there isn’t any P2W items in the gem shop yet.

It took 1 year after GW1 released in 2005 for Anet to make Factions which has a ton of content and is a stand-alone campaign. Here we are 2 years after release of GW2 and only finally just getting Guild Halls, GvG like pvp mode, and a small new region complete with masteries and specializations and 1 new profession. Seems like a really teeny tiny expansion to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars_Factions

When I say too small to be an expansion it is an exaggeration…..

Sooo, perhaps you can explain to me how Heart of Thorns is “too small” to be an expansion? Everything I’ve seen on what has actually been announced points toward it being average or large for an MMO expansion.

If you point toward “fewer maps”, I remind you that it is fewer, but denser maps. That is, each map has a lot more going on in it than normal. Not all maps are created equal. Silverwastes is a smaller map, but is much, much better and complex than Snowden Drifts (seriously, not even Living Story has taken us there). From what we’ve been told, the entire region will make even Silverwastes look a bit dull due to the amount of backtracking we will get to do (plenty of places that we can’t get to on the first pass).

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Sooo, perhaps you can explain to me how Heart of Thorns is “too small” to be an expansion? Everything I’ve seen on what has actually been announced points toward it being average or large for an MMO expansion.

If you point toward “fewer maps”, I remind you that it is fewer, but denser maps. That is, each map has a lot more going on in it than normal. Not all maps are created equal. Silverwastes is a small map, but is much, much better than Snowden Drifts.

late to the party aye? read some more of the thread.

Classy renaming the thread to “Teeny Tiny Expansion”. Now it feels like baiting to be all honest.

Guild Wars 2 isn’t comparable to Guild Wars 1 when it comes to content. They are completely different types of games; and even if GW1 is classified as an MMORPG, it’s much more enclosed and interesting content is much more sparse. Even in the comparison of 2 classes in Factions vs 1 in HoT, GW1 classes were much more homogenized that GW2 professions.

The point still stands that until we understand the details and how extensive the features that have been announced are, calling the expansion “tiny” is a misguided opinion… and you’re welcome to your misguided opinion.

When they officially announce there are only 3 new zones, masteries only give you gliders and mundane bonuses, specializations only give 3 new traits, guild halls are just static instances for guilds, there are no new dungeons, the story is only 5 hours long, and stronghold only has 1 map. When we know exactly how extensive these features are… then I can respect your opinion… right now it just seems cynical for the sake of being cynical.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Sooo, perhaps you can explain to me how Heart of Thorns is “too small” to be an expansion? Everything I’ve seen on what has actually been announced points toward it being average or large for an MMO expansion.

If you point toward “fewer maps”, I remind you that it is fewer, but denser maps. That is, each map has a lot more going on in it than normal. Not all maps are created equal. Silverwastes is a small map, but is much, much better than Snowden Drifts.

late to the party aye? read some more of the thread.

I’ve read the entire thread. Given what we’ve actually been told, it looks to be a pretty big expansion for an MMO, or, at worst, average size. Give me a bullet list as to why it is a “Teeny Tiny Expansion.”

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Sooo, perhaps you can explain to me how Heart of Thorns is “too small” to be an expansion? Everything I’ve seen on what has actually been announced points toward it being average or large for an MMO expansion.

If you point toward “fewer maps”, I remind you that it is fewer, but denser maps. That is, each map has a lot more going on in it than normal. Not all maps are created equal. Silverwastes is a small map, but is much, much better than Snowden Drifts.

late to the party aye? read some more of the thread.

I’ve read the entire thread. Given what we’ve actually been told, it looks to be a pretty big expansion for an MMO, or, at worst, average size. Give me a bullet list as to why it is a “Teeny Tiny Expansion.”

ok now you are jus trolling me, that’s just rude. There is definitely a bullet list in this thread that shows why it is a tiny expansion. There are also great comparisons between this game an other MMO expansions.

Sounds like you think one big kitten region or a map that has “depth” and nothing else would be big enough to be called an average sized expansion. Its a good thing one tiny piece of juicy fruit gum doesn’t mean the universe to everyone.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Sooo, perhaps you can explain to me how Heart of Thorns is “too small” to be an expansion? Everything I’ve seen on what has actually been announced points toward it being average or large for an MMO expansion.

If you point toward “fewer maps”, I remind you that it is fewer, but denser maps. That is, each map has a lot more going on in it than normal. Not all maps are created equal. Silverwastes is a small map, but is much, much better than Snowden Drifts.

late to the party aye? read some more of the thread.

The massive majority of the thread is dedicated to various disassemblies of your frankly unsupportable description.

I posted this earlier in the pricing thread but it might be worth looking at here, too. Keeping in mind Nightfall and Factions were standalone campaign and not expansions, it’s only fair to compare Heart of Thrones to Eye of the North.

EoTN Features compared to HoT:
1. No new classes. Heart of Thorns has 1 new class.
2. 100 new profession skills (10 per profession). HoT has specialisations which have an unknown number of new skills and traits.
3. 50 new PvE only skills. HoT has the new Mastery system that seems to be similar I guess.
4. 10 new heroes. Guild Wars 2 doesn’t use the Heroes system.
5. 124 new quests and a new storyline. HoT has an unknown amount of new quests and at least 1 storyline.
6. 4 new regions. HoT is said to have 3 (I think I read that anyway, can’t confirm right now)
7. 41 new armour sets. HoT has an unknown number of new sets.
For reference, Eye of the North cost around $40 (£25) on release.

Windsagio.1340:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Sooo, perhaps you can explain to me how Heart of Thorns is “too small” to be an expansion? Everything I’ve seen on what has actually been announced points toward it being average or large for an MMO expansion.

If you point toward “fewer maps”, I remind you that it is fewer, but denser maps. That is, each map has a lot more going on in it than normal. Not all maps are created equal. Silverwastes is a small map, but is much, much better than Snowden Drifts.

late to the party aye? read some more of the thread.

The massive majority of the thread is dedicated to various disassemblies of your frankly unsupportable description.

yup you know about sheep? They come in herds.