Guild Wars 2

Oh hell No!!!! After this expansion, I’m pretty much done with this franchise. I don’t care is there’s GW 3, 4,5 or 10. I’m just so done with Anet, they don’t have the same visions as the original GW1 developer. It’s just getting worst and worst.

Shen Slayer.3058:

Oh hell No!!!! After this expansion, I’m pretty much done with this franchise. I don’t care is there’s GW 3, 4,5 or 10. I’m just so done with Anet, they don’t have the same visions as the original GW1 developer. It’s just getting worst and worst.

Then please send all gold and T6/7 mats to the id to the left ty.

No. The current expansion looks pretty, but is designed for groups but the groups have already moved on. Spent two days looking for a group in VB so I could unlock WPs, get skill points, and do events. Every time I asked, folks were waiting to do raids. The truth of the matter is, I lack the patience to log on and spend half an hour looking for a group so I can start playing.

I’m too much of a “casual” player and am too far behind the curve to even play this expansion. I know they can’t please everybody, and that a lot of folks like the new content, but it’s not for me. I never made it past Auric Basin.

Been playing since Factions, but this was my last purchase.

Shulkor.3670:

Of course I’ll buy their expacs, if the price is more realistic and not including the core!

Fear not, future expansions will include previous expansions as well as the core!

AWACS.6537:

Shulkor.3670:

Of course I’ll buy their expacs, if the price is more realistic and not including the core!

Fear not, future expansions will include previous expansions as well as the core!

And they will also be priced accordingly. QQ

Heck yeah!

15/charrs

Tigaseye.2047:

No, not as things stand.

My gut instinct was to not buy this one, but then I relented.

It’s not all bad – some parts of the maps are beautiful (the artwork in this game is great), I have a lovely tiger pet (even though she was stressful to get) and a nice new bow skin.

I enjoyed some of the personal story

Speaking of the story – if you want to know the background of Scarlett Briar you have to unlock 5 chapters for 200 gems each… That should’ve been included with the expac.

I would buy pre-release if they add some cool stuff (skins, minis, etc) ..but specially if its a kitteneaper… ….. in other words, yes, I would buy pre-release.

Likely not. I enjoy Hot in a way. It’s beautiful, i like the maps, i like the direction and interactivity the game is taking. But HOT smell bad for most parts, Anet really seems to become the new Blizzard. They sell us a rushed expansion with plenty of bugs, horrible balance of the class, LESS THAN 3h OF PERSONNAL STORY! Come on! Hot really seems to have been designed to keep a part of WOW audience, old players aren’t reward and they want more and moar new peoples. Overall HOT is correct for an expansion, but not so great, kinda meh. The lack of personnal story is the WORST part so for of this expansion. No epic battle, less than 3h of content, scenario of story kinda meh…
I’m really going to look and wait the next expansion before buying it. The thing i am afraid too is that now, with the little succes of HOT, they want to make expansion like wow, one per year. When we actually need LIVING WORLD content for exemple and BUGFIXES AND BALANCE for the all game. They marketing technics are becomming kinda blur too really don’t make me confident for the future. But anyway old players can go away, they actually want new people soo…

No. I learned not to trust ANET to deliver sufficient content to justify the cost.

Daniel.4763:

No. The current expansion looks pretty, but is designed for groups but the groups have already moved on. Spent two days looking for a group in VB so I could unlock WPs, get skill points, and do events. Every time I asked, folks were waiting to do raids. The truth of the matter is, I lack the patience to log on and spend half an hour looking for a group so I can start playing.

I’m too much of a “casual” player and am too far behind the curve to even play this expansion. I know they can’t please everybody, and that a lot of folks like the new content, but it’s not for me. I never made it past Auric Basin.

Been playing since Factions, but this was my last purchase.

I kinda knew this would happen, even though I spent the week in the labyrinth knowing it would hurt me. The entire areas(s) are littered with more landmines than Orr ever had at launch too. Cripple, knockdown, knock backs and general unpleasantness await anyone that wants to travel alone. Sadly that is what many of the maps greet you with, confusion and that general feeling of always being lost comes next.

If they introduced a way to bring a hero(s) with you as in GW1 the whole experience could be more pleasant, but without them we are stuck hoping a random stranger stumbles by. I don’t have much of a problem with the difficulty as I generally build tanky anyways at the cost of a slower kill, but anyone that gets frustrated easily will avoid the areas like the plague.

Hmmm…would I purchase the next expansion? Would depend on what’s in it, but more than likely.

I mean, let’s look at GW1 as an example, I didn’t particularly care for Nightfall (though I know others loved it), but it didn’t put me off from purchasing EotN when it came around. I liked what I saw, so I bought it.

I apply the same general line of thought to GW2. If I like what I see in the ad, then I’ll spend the money. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. I know I’m not going to like everything, that’s just a given.

Goldrock.9076:

I think people are frusterated because they came in thinking it was gonna be a hand holding theme park game

This is not why players are frustrated.

Where do you even get this stuff?

Since we know that the base cost for the next expansion is 49.99, and we now have expectation on how MUCH more content that 49.99 gets us….

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No, I will NEVER buy another expansion for GW2 again. Period.

HoT is a pile of worthless garbage and really shows what direction This game is going in.

I will continue to Play through HoT (already beat the Story on 3 characters, working on Raid progression) but after I have had my fill, Im out.

I am still enjoying the core game and I am enjoying HoT quite a lot. So yes I would pre-purchase the next expansion. The whole franchise has been a blast. Not sure which version of the expansion I would get since no one knows yet what will be in them but I do know that I paid the $100 for the ultimate for this one and have been satisfied with it.

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

warbignime.4610 You can whiteknight all you want, lots of people here thinks it is a grind not to mention the 1-2 hour commitment which has a fair chance to fail and clutter of bags sadly are just a bunch of Blues and Greens to a Meta event

GW2 does feel more like a WoW Clone now. Thanks for pointing that out good sir.

Who are these “lots of people” ? on a game with over 7m accounts, at least 3.5m paid accounts, a “lot of people” would have to be HUGE to represent a significant amount of the population.
Can you provide a source for these “lots of people” who think it’s a grind?

If not, then I’ll follow your claim with “lots of people think it’s not a grind, they’re busy playing”

7 million people playing this game right now? Yeah right, Spoken like a true “Fan” and oh you can check the forums about the people saying about it I see lots of it, even if its not representative of the 7m account you are stating.

By looking at your forums posts it seems you have been quite the defender of anet. You should be playing in-game since your “busy” enjoying the game, not posting here the minute you see someone post a complaint.

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

warbignime.4610 You can whiteknight all you want, lots of people here thinks it is a grind not to mention the 1-2 hour commitment which has a fair chance to fail and clutter of bags sadly are just a bunch of Blues and Greens to a Meta event

GW2 does feel more like a WoW Clone now. Thanks for pointing that out good sir.

Who are these “lots of people” ? on a game with over 7m accounts, at least 3.5m paid accounts, a “lot of people” would have to be HUGE to represent a significant amount of the population.
Can you provide a source for these “lots of people” who think it’s a grind?

If not, then I’ll follow your claim with “lots of people think it’s not a grind, they’re busy playing”

7 million people playing this game right now? Yeah right, Spoken like a true “Fan” and oh you can check the forums about the people saying about it I see lots of it, even if its not representative of the 7m account you are stating.

By looking at your forums posts it seems you have been quite the defender of anet. You should be playing in-game since your “busy” enjoying the game, not posting here the minute you see someone post a complaint.

I never said there were 7m playing atm, I said there’re 7m accounts. Learn the difference.
All I see are personal attacks (pathetic) and no response to the question asked.
Once again, you talk for “a lot of people”, please provide your source.

Just for fun, I ran the tally we have so far.

Would you pre-purchase the next expansion?

Yes/Probably Yes – 38 votes

No/Probably no – 70 votes

Maybe/Undecided – 13 votes

I don’t think I will, actually. And I’ve been playing GW1 since 2008, got every little expansion pack, feature pack, bla bla bla. Likewise to GW2, got most of the featured stuff but I am starting to regret I even pre-purchased HoT.
HoT was a huge disappointment.

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

warbignime.4610 You can whiteknight all you want, lots of people here thinks it is a grind not to mention the 1-2 hour commitment which has a fair chance to fail and clutter of bags sadly are just a bunch of Blues and Greens to a Meta event

GW2 does feel more like a WoW Clone now. Thanks for pointing that out good sir.

Who are these “lots of people” ? on a game with over 7m accounts, at least 3.5m paid accounts, a “lot of people” would have to be HUGE to represent a significant amount of the population.
Can you provide a source for these “lots of people” who think it’s a grind?

If not, then I’ll follow your claim with “lots of people think it’s not a grind, they’re busy playing”

7 million people playing this game right now? Yeah right, Spoken like a true “Fan” and oh you can check the forums about the people saying about it I see lots of it, even if its not representative of the 7m account you are stating.

By looking at your forums posts it seems you have been quite the defender of anet. You should be playing in-game since your “busy” enjoying the game, not posting here the minute you see someone post a complaint.

I never said there were 7m playing atm, I said there’re 7m accounts. Learn the difference.
All I see are personal attacks (pathetic) and no response to the question asked.
Once again, you talk for “a lot of people”, please provide your source.

Personal Attacks? you started it and no you and I will never see how many people playing this game so stop pulling numbers right of your kitten.

Highly unlikely. I had bought 2x GW2 (one for self and other for niece) and 1x HOT. I have one of each profession and only play 1-2 hours daily, weekends abit more. with elite specs gated with hp, i’ve found myself just doing dailys and running in new maps with these characters just trying to unlock the elite specs. Only my necro is fully unlocked. Rest well, most times have to wait around for ppl to come help with champ at hp. Besides AB, other maps are just either empty or i find myself looking at lfg all the time. I didn’t actually pay to look at lfg to enjoy the game either.

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

warbignime.4610 You can whiteknight all you want, lots of people here thinks it is a grind not to mention the 1-2 hour commitment which has a fair chance to fail and clutter of bags sadly are just a bunch of Blues and Greens to a Meta event

GW2 does feel more like a WoW Clone now. Thanks for pointing that out good sir.

Who are these “lots of people” ? on a game with over 7m accounts, at least 3.5m paid accounts, a “lot of people” would have to be HUGE to represent a significant amount of the population.
Can you provide a source for these “lots of people” who think it’s a grind?

If not, then I’ll follow your claim with “lots of people think it’s not a grind, they’re busy playing”

7 million people playing this game right now? Yeah right, Spoken like a true “Fan” and oh you can check the forums about the people saying about it I see lots of it, even if its not representative of the 7m account you are stating.

By looking at your forums posts it seems you have been quite the defender of anet. You should be playing in-game since your “busy” enjoying the game, not posting here the minute you see someone post a complaint.

I never said there were 7m playing atm, I said there’re 7m accounts. Learn the difference.
All I see are personal attacks (pathetic) and no response to the question asked.
Once again, you talk for “a lot of people”, please provide your source.

Personal Attacks? you started it and no you and I will never see how many people playing this game so stop pulling numbers right of your kitten.

Where did I say something personal agaisn’t you?
You’re stating something as fact that involves an unspecified amount of people, I am simply asking for a source.
I am talking about your post, not you. You’re talking about me, not my post. Common strategy when baseless posts are called out, still waiting.

You were once you started hitting me with your unfounded numbers, knowledge and godly wisdom.

You’d think I’d link every posts around here and reddit to prove that? dream on. I’m sure you’d know where to look judging by how you seem to have a coverage around here, berating people who have anything bad to say about HoT.

So you take calling out your post as a personal attack, I see.
And whoever calls it out is automatically someone who defends Anet everywhere, and you complain about me attacking you, oh the irony.
So after so much beating around the bush I guess it’s safe to assume that all of these “a lot of people don’t like what I don’t like” kind of posts are simply made-up.

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

warbignime.4610 You can whiteknight all you want, lots of people here thinks it is a grind not to mention the 1-2 hour commitment which has a fair chance to fail and clutter of bags sadly are just a bunch of Blues and Greens to a Meta event

GW2 does feel more like a WoW Clone now. Thanks for pointing that out good sir.

Who are these “lots of people” ? on a game with over 7m accounts, at least 3.5m paid accounts, a “lot of people” would have to be HUGE to represent a significant amount of the population.
Can you provide a source for these “lots of people” who think it’s a grind?

If not, then I’ll follow your claim with “lots of people think it’s not a grind, they’re busy playing”

7 million people playing this game right now? Yeah right, Spoken like a true “Fan” and oh you can check the forums about the people saying about it I see lots of it, even if its not representative of the 7m account you are stating.

By looking at your forums posts it seems you have been quite the defender of anet. You should be playing in-game since your “busy” enjoying the game, not posting here the minute you see someone post a complaint.

Geez do you even read? he never said 7 m people playing he said created account. forum has always been negative because it’s the same group of less than hundred people complain on every little changes and every thing in GW2 since day 1 of launch and they can never be satisfied no matter what. An accurate representation of GW2 loving community is reddit, bad post there can be down voted to oblivion.

Raziel.4216:

So you take calling out your post as a personal attack, I see.
And whoever calls it out is automatically someone who defends Anet everywhere, and you complain about me attacking you, oh the irony.
So after so much beating around the bush I guess it’s safe to assume that all of these “a lot of people don’t like what I don’t like” kind of posts are simply made-up.

Great way for plot twist, my friend. Like I said I don’t need to prove myself for that matter since you’re just evading and just simply saying it’s all made up. You know, just dodging around my words just for the sake of argument.

No, I would not preorder the next expansion given the current emphasis on gem→gold and group based meta events.

warbignime.4610:

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

Crimson Miu.6827:

warbignime.4610 You can whiteknight all you want, lots of people here thinks it is a grind not to mention the 1-2 hour commitment which has a fair chance to fail and clutter of bags sadly are just a bunch of Blues and Greens to a Meta event

GW2 does feel more like a WoW Clone now. Thanks for pointing that out good sir.

Who are these “lots of people” ? on a game with over 7m accounts, at least 3.5m paid accounts, a “lot of people” would have to be HUGE to represent a significant amount of the population.
Can you provide a source for these “lots of people” who think it’s a grind?

If not, then I’ll follow your claim with “lots of people think it’s not a grind, they’re busy playing”

7 million people playing this game right now? Yeah right, Spoken like a true “Fan” and oh you can check the forums about the people saying about it I see lots of it, even if its not representative of the 7m account you are stating.

By looking at your forums posts it seems you have been quite the defender of anet. You should be playing in-game since your “busy” enjoying the game, not posting here the minute you see someone post a complaint.

Geez do you even read? he never said 7 m people playing he said created account. forum has always been negative because it’s the same group of less than hundred people complain on every little changes and every thing in GW2 since day 1 of launch and they can never be satisfied no matter what. An accurate representation of GW2 loving community is reddit, bad post there can be down voted to oblivion.

I know that, baffled by where someone is pulling those numbers and yes I didn’t mean exactly right now, just the active accounts that are actually playing. But, I’ve overstayed here on the forums, I’ve said why I don’t want to prepurchase the next xpac. I’ll let you guys do your thing here, since this will go on forever and I’ll just go play this game and you good sirs can do whatever you want. Peace out. ( I rarely post on forums)

HoT is a friking dissaster:
specs really bad balanced : SpvP destroyed because of the pay wall.

Guild halls and WvW guild upgrades is a gold sinkhole made to force players to spend real cash in gold. Another Paywall.

I find the new content really boring: Or the events are too easy or impossible without the map full.
In Europe the HoT maps are almost deserted. I guess most of the europeans aren’t as suckers as other marketplaces or me.

Old maps/content got the axe in the loot drops, new ones are just crap. A way to force paying and free costumers to pay with the credit card for gems.
Monthly subscription for everyone.

So no thanks, my chances to spend a coin, not only in any xpac but in the gem store also, in this game within the foreseen future is none to zero.

Probably not.

There’s lots of reasons but most have probably been listed off by other people here.

Crimson Miu.6827:

Raziel.4216:

So you take calling out your post as a personal attack, I see.
And whoever calls it out is automatically someone who defends Anet everywhere, and you complain about me attacking you, oh the irony.
So after so much beating around the bush I guess it’s safe to assume that all of these “a lot of people don’t like what I don’t like” kind of posts are simply made-up.

Great way for plot twist, my friend. Like I said I don’t need to prove myself for that matter since you’re just evading and just simply saying it’s all made up. You know, just dodging around my words just for the sake of argument.

What am I evading? That’s exactly what I’d like to know, I wanna know the source for these claims. Forums are full of a bunch of posts that claim “lots of people” like/dislike specific parts of the game.
Otherwise it’s just another classic example for Hitchen’s razor.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Vayne.8563:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Vayne.8563:

Manasa Devi.7958:

warbignime.4610:

Addressing forum complain is not possible because forum literally complain about every single thing in GW2 and every changes no matter good or bad.

Yes Anet made design change and it’s good decision, old maps are boring and brainless. New maps are challenging and fun if you want casual content core tyria offers plenty.

So your advice to casual players is not to buy expansions?

Casual, solo players who don’t want content that’s challenging, yeah, I think they’d be disappointed with the expansion.

But not every casual player demands to be a solo player and not every casual player demands content you can beat while watching Game of Thrones on your other monitor.

But very few casual players would be clamouring for a game you have to synchronize your watch with and that demands you to play multiple straight hours to get anywhere.

When every aspect of the expansionis so extreme as to likely scare off some players, the totally of those aspects is likely to scare off many players.

That’s crap. First of all you don’t have to synchronize your watch for most things. I have a ton of casual players in my guild who haven’t even figured out there is a meta yet, and most of them are having a good time. They run some events, they get some loot. That’s what a lot of casual players do.

Hint, most casuals don’t haunt forums. They don’t follow development cycles. They run around and do stuff. That’s their game.

I have a guild filled with casual players. It’s a real education sometimes.

You appear to be talking about players who are casual about what happens in the game.

I’m talking about players who are casual about when they game, but who are very involved with the game when they do.

Well I’m not really the one who slings the word casual about. Me. I’m a hard core casual. And I’m happy with the game. I know casual casuals who are happy with the game. And yes, I’ve heard from some of the posts from other people who are casual who aren’t happy.

The problem is, this isn’t a one side issue because there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.

You’re talking about a group that’s very specific that you invented to support your hypothesis. Casuals don’t all fall into one box, so saying, as you said, that I said casuals shouldn’t be this expansion is wrong. Because some casuals should. But those who want to have very easy, soloable content, probably shouldn’t.

On that note, quite a few casuals that I’ve taken into those zones who didn’t like it before I took them in, because they didn’t really get what had to be done, liked it a lot better after.

Some people just give up very easily and that’s it. They walk away and never look back. Probably quite a few people.

But I wouldn’t want to design a game around them.

No one is saying the expansion doesn’t have flaws. But then, some of us allow time to work out those flaws. And some of us don’t.

Raziel.4216:

That’s exactly what I’d like to know, I wanna know the source for these claims. Forums are full of a bunch of posts that claim “lots of people” like/dislike specific parts of the game.

Are you going also ask Vayne for the source of the claim he make?

Vayne.8563:

there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.

I should not post that because people derail the thread topic. Me to because I post that reply. Thread topic is will you prepurchase next expansion? Many other thread for people to argue about if like current expansion or not. So please do not derail any more.

Pre-purchase it? No!
Learned my lesson on that one.

Purchase it? It would be a No as well. Unless it is proven to me that it’s actually worth purchasing over another game. I said proven. Not Hype train proven. Meaning player tested.

Yes, as far as what I’ve gotten from the amount I’ve played so far in HoT, totally worth the $100, and I haven’t even stepped foot in Raids yet.

There have been some issues that annoyed me, but not deal breakers for me.

However a lot of it will depend on what Anet does in the future, such as balance.

Qugi.2653:

Raziel.4216:

That’s exactly what I’d like to know, I wanna know the source for these claims. Forums are full of a bunch of posts that claim “lots of people” like/dislike specific parts of the game.

Are you going also ask Vayne for the source of the claim he make?

Vayne.8563:

there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.

I should not post that because people derail the thread topic me to because I post that. Thread topic is will you prepurchase next expansion. Many other thread for people to argue about if like current expansion or not. So please do not derail any more.

That post comes as a reply in a discussion where someone else talks about how casuals dislike the game.
IIRC Vayne has said mutiple times that we should wait at least 6 months for evidence.

Raziel.4216:

Qugi.2653:

Raziel.4216:

That’s exactly what I’d like to know, I wanna know the source for these claims. Forums are full of a bunch of posts that claim “lots of people” like/dislike specific parts of the game.

Are you going also ask Vayne for the source of the claim he make?

Vayne.8563:

there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.

I should not post that because people derail the thread topic me to because I post that. Thread topic is will you prepurchase next expansion. Many other thread for people to argue about if like current expansion or not. So please do not derail any more.

That post comes as a reply in a discussion where someone else talks about how casuals dislike the game.
IIRC Vayne has said mutiple times that we should wait at least 6 months for evidence.

Still wait for Vayne’s source that, “there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.” See how this work? I will wait for source.

Now do not derail thread. Topic is will you prepurchase next expansion? Yes or no. Not let us argue who like this expansion.

Qugi.2653:

Raziel.4216:

Qugi.2653:

Raziel.4216:

That’s exactly what I’d like to know, I wanna know the source for these claims. Forums are full of a bunch of posts that claim “lots of people” like/dislike specific parts of the game.

Are you going also ask Vayne for the source of the claim he make?

Vayne.8563:

there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.

I should not post that because people derail the thread topic me to because I post that. Thread topic is will you prepurchase next expansion. Many other thread for people to argue about if like current expansion or not. So please do not derail any more.

That post comes as a reply in a discussion where someone else talks about how casuals dislike the game.
IIRC Vayne has said mutiple times that we should wait at least 6 months for evidence.

Still wait for Vayne’s source that, “there are a lot of people, even casuals, who like the new content.” See how this work? I will wait for source.

Good! let’s wait, like I said before, Vayne has said that multiple times.

Vayne.8563:

My claim is that in six moths, you’ll see the game is doing fine. We’ll see that in black and white and then what will you say?

Vayne.8563:

We’ll see in six month as I say. Hot is fun as hell. Not a little fun. It’s a lot fun. And as time goes on, one of us will be proved right.

Vayne.8563:

I’m quite happy to wait to see what six months brings. What’s priceless is your seemingly endless attempts to make a reasonable point of view seem unreasonable.

The guy whose source I was asking simply knew what a lot of people like/dislike, the one you’re calling out as a counter-argument is in favor of waiting for real evidence. Big difference.

No… they lost my respect.. mainly that economist ruined it

Dungeon nerfs was a huge hit.. ascended crafting required mats bumped and nothing to compensate… making it extremely expensive.. no

All the content that’s suppose to help us get by (in place of dungeons) are non existent.. you want gold? Sell the mats you get from grindy events.. but oh wait? You need these for you guild hall.. so maybe you might not make any gold after all sorry.

If the next one only caters to the hardcore NO.
If they make largos a playable race maybe.

I bought HOT with the understanding that raids would be the only thing catering to the “hardcore” minority. The maps were “okay” at launch.. now that the dust has settled and people have moved on its quite annoying at times.

The answers users plaster all over the forums is play with friends. Well I have 5 and they play about once a week for 2 hours. Join a guild… Yeah I tried that and every decent sized guild out there has a tight knit group and the vast majority that they use for mats. So I made a small guild with my 5 friends and we plan on claiming a guild hall before Christmas. And if it is possible to make progress even if it is slow progress on the guild hall I will be fine, but if it is impossible I will be kinda of kittened.

Meta’s like VB are ruined by the LFR users because of an over-site by A-net.
I never see maps that are full and organized running the TD meta.
(I love the AB & DS meta’s though.)
There are serious problems with persecutor crafting. (I’m not talking about cost)
Ect. Ect.

So unless they make some major changes I will be sticking with my NO.

No if the new one still looks like HOT,I have pre purchased the 99usd one cause i trusted them,they broke it by poor content and wrong direction.I like explore the open world,it only contains 4 maps and few event-lines. I’m not a raid fan ,so it means nothing to me. It isn’t satisfying.

Nope. Definitely not.

Did not pre-purchase HoT, will not pre-purchase the next expansion.

well honestly I will pre-order up coming expansion

I pre-ordered HoT my local game store without googling anything, and comes out I feel frustrated with the new maps/guild hall/mastery points (grind xp is okay to me but kitten mastery points), but there is still some good things like new spec and new class.

I hope they will set things right again, maybe after the pro league season 1 they will have free times on fixing the game.

No, this expansion is nothing more than a larger than usual DLC that recycles old content and calls it new. I will never pre-order another game ever again and will wait for reviews a month or two after before I even consider buying it. The gaming industry as a whole is going down the toilet and it’s up to us consumers to put our feet down and say: no! It’s getting to the point were current gamers have no idea what it was like to not have MTs in games and mechanics designed around them, it’s expected and even defended. Sadly people seemingly are not concerned about this trend and still buy into this baloney; game companies think it’s ok and it then gets worse and worse. GG.

Personally, I am done with supporting such shady business practices so the only way I can protest is not pre-order or buy into destiny type game design that is taking the industry by storm. ie. Make complete game, chop it up into little parts, sell 1/3rd of a game at launch, and then sell the missing pieces for more money after. cough 4x blacklion only weapon skin sets compared to ONE (reclaimed set) you can earn in HoT. I see what you did there Anet…not cool.

It’s disgusting if you ask me. I had thought Anet wasn’t like this but that’s all changed for the worse. Live and learn.

In the end it matters little, they got 135 bucks out of me just for HoT not including gems so who cares…most certainly not them.

Caveat Empor at it’s finest.

I’m happy with my purchase of HoT. If I’m still playing GW2 by the time another expansion releases I fully expect to prepurchase it.

I’m going to be honest. I stopped playing this game, not because of ArenaNet or the game itself, but because since I had pretty much maxed and mastered PvE, I went on an AP hunt that led me on a blind rage of fury inside Solo PvP. After I successfully managed to farm a lot of AP there, it unfortunately caused me to become detached from PvE. PvE looked very nasty by the time I was finished with SPvP.

Work was coming up soon, so I just decided to stop playing because I wouldn’t have enough time anyway, and had grown bored because I kinda went ham on SPvP. I picked up another mmo, and since my work had finished, I was able to play that game freely and I still enjoy it.

My friend offered to get my HoT because I wasn’t able to get it myself. I hesitated because I didn’t want him to waste money, but after a little while of a few friends convincing me I took him up on that offer! While I was playing these past few weeks, I’ve been enjoying it.

Sadly, I’ve come to a realization. Visually, HoT is wonderful. I can appreciate all of the game designers that worked on it and it’s very nice with how it came through. Heart of Thorns is not my issue. What came with it, what changed, and what ArenaNet has forced upon its players is my issue.

I’m now asking myself: where is the game? I sincerely don’t feel like doing meta events for the rest of my playtime. I don’t want to grind a very small selection of new maps, just to progress my Heart of Thorns mastery. I’ve become repulsed by those new maps because they all revolve around the same thing. A new currency in each map, with a vendor selling items specific to that map? That means I need to live in one map to progress only one thing.

It’s almost like Silverwastes. Back then, I was living there — like literally. — to farm Carapace and Luminescent Armor. But it wasn’t so bad, I was getting a lot of silk and t6 mats as well. Overall, that map wasn’t — and still isn’t — so bad. Now, we have these new maps that are Silverwastes all over again, except now the map isn’t simple, it’s layered with up to 4 levels from what I’ve seen. The maps are massive which is nice, but it’s very boring.

Part of enjoyment from a new experience perspective with Guild Wars has always been going into new maps and seeing “how does this one look?!” With Heart of Thorns, I go into one map and stay there. What I see is what I see and nothing will ever change because there are only a few maps. They are leveled, and each one looks different, but it’s just not the same and frankly I don’t care about spending so much time on one map.

With meta events and a very small selection of overly massive levels out of the way, there are still a slew of other things. Much to my dismay, after I came back, I noticed a lot of builds I used were either nerfed or completely removed. Traits that were very useful, but underused because there were better options were completely removed instead of revamped. I completely hated seeing the traits changed into “specializations” that literally only have one combination of useful traits.

I hate that gold from dungeons were reduced. Why? It was a decent way of making money, and yes it may have been repetitive but it was still actually fun to do. Now what is the point? It practically costs 60s just to WP to the dungeon entrance, and now that’s all you get as a reward? (Of course I’m exaggerating, but it’s for good reason). I hate that fractals have been converted from a small commitment with a chance for something rare, to a get-in & get-out activity with practically nothing good aside from the Daily Research Pages.

I hate that it created a rift within guilds by adding massive resource sinks and out-of-nowhere created a new system basically requiring everyone within the guild to donate their items and gold. This wouldn’t be a problem, but they also added other resource and gold sinks as well. Precursor Crafting? I’ve just used up items valued at a total of 700g for my precursor, and I’m not even finished with the collection yet (it will next require a minimum of items valued at 300g). The sad part? That precursor is on the TP for only 600g.

We can change ascended armor and weapons to different stats for a fair amount of items— lovely, this means that every piece of gear is now usable in one way or another. Wait, now we have to salvage that gear for Balls of Dark Energy to progress in other content? So you’re telling me I have to salvage something that has now doubled in value — and is frankly way too expensive to craft manually now that the timegated ascended mats have skyrocketed in price -- just so I can get one item needed for a collection?

Where is the actual game? Tyria has been ripped to literal shreds. So much so, that there is no reason to play it whatsoever. If I don’t like the way Heart of Thorns forces us to play one way, what else can I do? Dungeons are worthless; fractals are worthless aside from the dailies — but once those are finished, they’re back to being worthless. I just want to play the game, not be forced into a 2+ hour long meta event that may or may not even give me anything I want.

My materials, my gold, goes down the 24karat gold sink everytime I want to progress in anything and everything. ArenaNet has chopped and screwed everything about this game that I thought was decent. It’s now become a game where it’s much more simpler to spend $$$ on gold conversion than to actually play. Which is very sad and disheartening because they started with the completely opposite end of philosophies.

Everyone that is enjoying the game, all the power to you. But I personally don’t like meta events and wish there were just normal maps that I could complete, move on, come back later if something is going on or if I want to farm there and be finished. I don’t want to be forced to live in a map forever just to get something I’m looking for.

To all the people saying “whatever, leave, new players will fill your space.” That’s all well and good, however people play MMOs usually with friends or family. If even one person suggests for someone else not to play an MMO — not because they don’t like it, but because the company developing the game has stabbed its playerbase in the back, whether or not you realize it or whether or not you still enjoy the game. It doesn’t change the fact that everyone has been stabbed.

What really gets me isn’t that Heart of Thorns is 100% Metaful, it’s that the original Tyria content was nerfed to the point of there being no reason to play it. What happens when you get tired of spamming Maguuma Jungle meta events? There is nothing to fall back on if you’ve already finished Tyria. You’re either stuck with meta events, or stuck with a base game that serves no purpose simply because the developers decided to dismantle it just to turn your attention towards Heart of Thorns.

Well said. Long, but still said well.

warbignime.4610:

Shen Slayer.3058:

Oh hell No!!!! After this expansion, I’m pretty much done with this franchise. I don’t care is there’s GW 3, 4,5 or 10. I’m just so done with Anet, they don’t have the same visions as the original GW1 developer. It’s just getting worst and worst.

Then please send all gold and T6/7 mats to the id to the left ty.

How original.

Has this shameless begging ever worked out for you before?

Inoki.6048:

Tigaseye.2047:

No, not as things stand.

My gut instinct was to not buy this one, but then I relented.

It’s not all bad – some parts of the maps are beautiful (the artwork in this game is great), I have a lovely tiger pet (even though she was stressful to get) and a nice new bow skin.

I enjoyed some of the personal story

Speaking of the story – if you want to know the background of Scarlett Briar you have to unlock 5 chapters for 200 gems each… That should’ve been included with the expac.

Yeah, you’re right, it should.

Prior to the xpacs, charging for the living world made sense, but I don’t get how it makes sense to charge extra for content, with an xpac?

Maybe I’m missing something?

fixit.7189:

No, this expansion is nothing more than a larger than usual DLC that recycles old content and calls it new. I will never pre-order another game ever again and will wait for reviews a month or two after before I even consider buying it. The gaming industry as a whole is going down the toilet and it’s up to us consumers to put our feet down and say: no! It’s getting to the point were current gamers have no idea what it was like to not have MTs in games and mechanics designed around them, it’s expected and even defended. Sadly people seemingly are not concerned about this trend and still buy into this baloney; game companies think it’s ok and it then gets worse and worse. GG.

Personally, I am done with supporting such shady business practices so the only way I can protest is not pre-order or buy into destiny type game design that is taking the industry by storm. ie. Make complete game, chop it up into little parts, sell 1/3rd of a game at launch, and then sell the missing pieces for more money after. cough 4x blacklion only weapon skin sets compared to ONE (reclaimed set) you can earn in HoT. I see what you did there Anet…not cool.

It’s disgusting if you ask me. I had thought Anet wasn’t like this but that’s all changed for the worse. Live and learn.

In the end it matters little, they got 135 bucks out of me just for HoT not including gems so who cares…most certainly not them.

Caveat Empor at it’s finest.

The problem is, many people on this forum say they don’t want subs.

Some say they would leave if there were subs.

Although I do get that, if you have already poured lots of real money into the game, you don’t want to pay twice; I don’t agree with it, as a general standpoint.

As, it seems to me, that if you want anything fun/goodlooking, or even useful (e.g. bag/bank slots), for your characters, within a reasonable amount of time of starting playing, you need to spend more than you would have on a sub game.

But, I guess you’re talking to people who either don’t care what their chars look like, or enjoy spending all day playing the TP; rather than playing the game itself?

For someone like that, this MT game is a dream come true…

As all those people, who actually like to play the game rather than the market, pretty much entirely fund their “fun” for them.

So, of course they don’t want subs, when they are being subsidised (both directly and indirectly) by other players.

What is especially sickening, though, is that some of these people will then turn around and blame the players, who enjoy playing the actual game enough to help fund it (and them), for “making” the game into a micro transaction one!

Talk about biting the hand that feeds…

I’m not sure how much longer this uneasy “coalition” will continue to exist?

I sense the age of casuals feeding hardcores and TP campers, while generally being treated like crap for it by them (and the game makers, frankly), may be rightfully drawing to an end.

Of course! HoT has been a lot of fun for my guild/friends and myself. Yes, some things like GH upgrades and scribing having cost issues, they dropped the ball on Fractals and there are a few other balance issues in the new maps (looking at you TD meta!) but all-in-all it’s been a lot of fun with tons of new added features and new toys/skins to grab. Can’t get enough!