Guild Wars 2

Rising Dusk.2408:

Vavume.8065:

why should everything be added to the game retroactively? that’s basically what you wanted, new content should require new work to be done to obtain it, basic MMO 101.

Interesting, so then why are so many other features in HoT being made available to all players right away without additional grind. Why am I not forced to grind a mastery to get my new squad UI? That’s new content. The entire point of masteries is that is where the grind should be, and that is where the horizontal progression is. Locking elite specializations behind having to do a metric ton of effort in the Maguuma Jungle in addition to the grinding you already have to do for masteries is part of why this is not okay. What’s also not okay is dropping this information on people so late instead of doing it before they’ve spent months working on map completion on a ton of alts just to get their elite specializations on release.

I fail to see how squad UI has anything to do with this matter, we are talking about new content that has always required work to get, the trait lines require work from the moment you start playing the game, its an ongoing thing… and has no relation to squad UI, how you made that jump just because the term new content was used it actually worrying since you are supposed to be a specialist? lol that argument was actually quite pathetic, you should know better.

Fixing forum bug.

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

No, I’m upset because ANet said we could unlock the elite spec with the extra effort of core world completion, and 3-days before release, they say we can’t.

ColinJohanson.2394:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Unless I am mistaken just to unlock half of the training line, we need 212 hero points?

It’s 400 points total to unlock everything in an elite spec training line – I just can’t remember off hand how many points folks have currently if they have done all the existing ones, but it’s right around 200. The rest you’ll need to earn in jungle to unlock the deeper skills/traits/etc. in the training line.

You only need 60 hero points to begin using your elite spec, the points you spend after that continue to unlock more skills, traits, skins, etc.

Again, hero challenges are worth 10 points each in the jungle. So no you don’t need to go do 200-400 jungle challenges.

It would be interesting to see what the average is, especially since those of us with umpteen characters tend not to be zealots about world completion on each one. The guesses have been between 60 and 170 so people have been targeting somewhere in there. I am not just talking the people on the board either as we are a bit more invested in the game than most.

It looks like not many people will really be playing with these for awhile. Who wants to use a trait line with only a few traits in it?

Can we find out how many challenges are in the jungle? Then we can backtrack to how many challenges we need to do of the known ones. BTW, do you need to do them in a certain order or can you leave all the skins and such until last?

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TJgalon.5012:

Seera.5916:

TerminalMontage.5693:

I think what GW2 did is totally fair. Practically having a new class available right away would cheapen it. As you play the game you’ll unlock your new spec naturally.

But for alts, it will be a big task. Unless getting those new items in WvW is pretty fast.

It’s the timing that’s the problem. They waited until 3 days before launch to tell and if there had not been a thread asking, we may not have known until after launch. I think the timing has made the problem worse and understandably so. Especially since players were vocal about their intent to play the elites on day 1 and had been asking for the number of points for weeks now.

Though from what I read, Elite can be played day 1, just wont be able to have the entire line finish on day 1. Or maybe you can with the extra hero point earn in the world, some of it still in mystery and I am glad for that.

The elite skill in the picture posted in this post shows that the elite skill is unlocked pretty close to the end. How many raid groups will accept a player who doesn’t have their elite skill unlocked? What about dungeon or fractal groups?

Granted, I’m not sure how accurate that picture is. Daredevil isn’t in the list to the right and during the beta we were given level 80 characters so I don’t know where that picture itself came from and could have been edited.

Some players will want to play fully unlocked characters (and by unlocked, I mean all skills and traits, not the skins and weapons).

Considering you do NOT lose the ability to choose from your core class’ skills, nobody at lvl80 with an elite spec “won’t have an elite skill”; especially since to even unlock the elite spec, you need all other lines filled…meaning level 80, even with 0 hero challenges done.

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TJgalon.5012:

Seera.5916:

TerminalMontage.5693:

I think what GW2 did is totally fair. Practically having a new class available right away would cheapen it. As you play the game you’ll unlock your new spec naturally.

But for alts, it will be a big task. Unless getting those new items in WvW is pretty fast.

It’s the timing that’s the problem. They waited until 3 days before launch to tell and if there had not been a thread asking, we may not have known until after launch. I think the timing has made the problem worse and understandably so. Especially since players were vocal about their intent to play the elites on day 1 and had been asking for the number of points for weeks now.

Though from what I read, Elite can be played day 1, just wont be able to have the entire line finish on day 1. Or maybe you can with the extra hero point earn in the world, some of it still in mystery and I am glad for that.

The elite skill in the picture posted in this post shows that the elite skill is unlocked pretty close to the end. How many raid groups will accept a player who doesn’t have their elite skill unlocked? What about dungeon or fractal groups?

Granted, I’m not sure how accurate that picture is. Daredevil isn’t in the list to the right and during the beta we were given level 80 characters so I don’t know where that picture itself came from and could have been edited.

Some players will want to play fully unlocked characters (and by unlocked, I mean all skills and traits, not the skins and weapons).

The dev them self said “You only need 60 hero points to begin using your elite spec, the points you spend after that continue to unlock more skills, traits, skins, etc.” It hard to piece all the answer to get cause of how chaos the forum are atm, but it seem I will be able to use my elite day 1, and people are saying they can’t, it kinda odd, lol./

The only flaw I see in the design is the imposed order of unlock. It sounds like the first 60 points grant access to the spec, in other word, the first minor trait granting access to the new weapon and new mechanics.
The problem is that after that we’ll unlock spec specific utilities before the other traits… or the contrary but in both cases it would have been better to select in what we want to invest point e.g I unlock med and one utility drone then unlock adept and master traits before taking another or two drones, then grandmaster and eventually final drones and skins…
Other than that I find it refreshing to train on a new way to play the class, it is like leveling without the irrelevance of the first steps due to power gain. On top of that I can stay as powerful as I am to go through the story only to unlock everything in the end…. a matter of choice.

The requirement doesn’t bother me as much as the thought of doing that on all my toons. I have all professions besides Thief and Warrior at 80.

As an altoholic, if this requirement does turn out to be too grindy, it will put me off playing the game somewhat, as I can’t ‘stick’ with one profession for long periods.

I suppose the unknown is: is it going to be as fun to level up in HoT (this system is essentially another form of leveling) as it was/is in the base game? If it is, then I won’t mind. If it isn’t, then this will ruin the game for me.

Not complaining, as I have no idea how much content is in HoT, or how much enjoyment I’ll get from it. Disappointed there weren’t any new dungeons, but that’s by the by.

TJgalon.5012:

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

Some might be, but that should have been unrealistic. No, there are many posts that explain the problem with this but if you want to dismiss people and their issues so easily, I suppose nothing that hasn’t already been said will explain it. Therefore I won’t bother to repeat it.

I basically what I am reading. People are upset they have to earn the stuff they want. It seem like common sense to me, that you have to earn it.

Well you missed a lot. Considering it is already quite a few pages, that is a lot of posts.

Of course you have to earn it. So many people are treating this like we are acting entitled (a word thrown around far too often, essentially as an excuse to dismiss anyone that doesn’t agree with them, or just to dismiss people period).

The issue is alts. If you have 1 class that you play, and nothing more, then yeah you aren’t going to have an issue or to see the problem, you’ll pretty much have it unlocked by the time you finish the content. But even if you only have 1 of each class, counting rev, that’s 9 right? If you want each to have the elite spec, that’s 9 times you have to go through most of the jungle, and these are not maps like queensdale. If you want the elite specs quickly, which a lot of people will, they will have to rush, to grind, the hero challenges repeatedly, and that could have a negative effect on everyone trying to enjoy the new maps. At the very least, you WILL have people rushing through the content, because they are forced to do so if they want elite specs.

Colin and the brave 400…

I was worried until I saw that the jungle zones will offer hero points 10 at a time. I’m not really seeing this as a huge problem. That is unless the hero points are blocked by other grinds like gliding etc.

Vavume.8065:

Seera.5916:

No one has said it is difficult. Just that felt it was a grind or way too many. At least for those opposed to the number needed.

If you consider playing an MMO the way it should be played a grind then maybe you should play something more story orientated like dragon age etc, because MMO’s generally make you work for what you want.

I’m not saying that the number of points is too high. You claimed through your word choice that people were saying it was difficult. I said no said it was and that I only saw the words “grind” and “too many”.

I’m in no rush to unlock the elite specs and the number of points isn’t too high for me, since that number does include skins and weapons, hopefully mostly after the traits and skills. But I understand that some players had the expectation of having fully unlocked elite (meaning all traits and skills) on day 1 and learning at 3 days before launch that that may not be possible is harsh. I’m upset at the timing of this information. Not at the number of points required.

Mightybird.6034:

Runiir.6425:

Say that to revenants that are only allowed to use specific utilities for their attunements.

Ya I’m actually going to be one of those rev mains and am confused how that will work exactly..

You and me both…

It’ll be less than a week before someone has mapped out the most efficient route to get the HoT hero points.

Seera.5916:

Fixing forum bug.

How many hero points to do that?

Fernling.1729:

I was worried until I saw that the jungle zones will offer hero points 10 at a time. I’m not really seeing this as a huge problem. That is unless the hero points are blocked by other grinds like gliding etc.

If you need 40 challenges and want to do them all in the jungle, you will likely need either gliding or mushroom jumping or both to get that many. You may have some luck if you’re only needing 19 in the jungle.

Swagger.1459:

Seera.5916:

Fixing forum bug.

How many hero points to do that?

Apparently a lot more than 400. I’ll let you know when I’ve gotten enough points XD

Always funny to see people that demand raids attempt to wiggle out of hero points because that is a grind for them. Try walking in my shoes for a while now. Why do I think that the vast majority of you are raiders, and some pure wvwers? Because a casual PvEler probably gives a rats rektum about hero points and hoew long it takes to get them in a casual way^^

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Fernling.1729:

I was worried until I saw that the jungle zones will offer hero points 10 at a time. I’m not really seeing this as a huge problem. That is unless the hero points are blocked by other grinds like gliding etc.

If you need 40 challenges and want to do them all in the jungle, you will likely need either gliding or mushroom jumping or both to get that many. You may have some luck if you’re only needing 19 in the jungle.

Which won’t take that long to unlock. They’re like 359K to unlock the first tier or something.

Swagger.1459:

Seera.5916:

Fixing forum bug.

How many hero points to do that?

At least twelve billion, but each forum hero point will give you six million hero points because arbitrarily bigger numbers are better. Especially when it devalues all the old numbers.

Also this whole thing is just a bad buisness decision.
There are most likely way more ppl out there playing multiple toons equally than ppl sticking to a single toon.
Those ppl spend real money on these toons.
I’m one of these ppl.
And i kinda feel forced to concentrate on one single toon now.
So whats bad for my urge to multiclass, is good for my wallet i guess.

Sytherek.7689:

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

No, I’m upset because ANet said we could unlock the elite spec with the extra effort of core world completion, and 3-days before release, they say we can’t.

Uhhm you can unlock the Elite Spec with extra Effort of World Completion. You “just” need the full 400 to get everything done which includes Skins and I think that the Skin(s) is the really expensive one there for the Elite Spec

Ayrilana.1396:

It’ll be less than a week before someone has mapped out the most efficient route to get the HoT hero points.

I’ll map it out for you personally but that will cost 100 hero points.

Walhalla.5473:

Sytherek.7689:

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

No, I’m upset because ANet said we could unlock the elite spec with the extra effort of core world completion, and 3-days before release, they say we can’t.

Uhhm you can unlock the Elite Spec with extra Effort of World Completion. You “just” need the full 400 to get everything done which includes Skins and I think that the Skin(s) is the really expensive one there for the Elite Spec

The thing is, we don’t know the order of unlocking things. If the skins and what not are mostly toward the late end and/or require a LOT of HP’s compared to skills and traits, things will be fine. But if most are at the beginning, that’s still a lot of HP’s.

Fernling.1729:

I was worried until I saw that the jungle zones will offer hero points 10 at a time. I’m not really seeing this as a huge problem. That is unless the hero points are blocked by other grinds like gliding etc.

Oh, they will be locked behind those masteries for sure, I expect you will have some locked behind higher tiers of gliding for certain.

Tapioca.9062:

Swagger.1459:

Seera.5916:

Fixing forum bug.

How many hero points to do that?

At least twelve billion, but each forum hero point will give you six million hero points because arbitrarily bigger numbers are better. Especially when it devalues all the old numbers.

lol

Walhalla.5473:

Sytherek.7689:

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

No, I’m upset because ANet said we could unlock the elite spec with the extra effort of core world completion, and 3-days before release, they say we can’t.

Uhhm you can unlock the Elite Spec with extra Effort of World Completion. You “just” need the full 400 to get everything done which includes Skins and I think that the Skin(s) is the really expensive one there for the Elite Spec

I have no problem with the skins costing extra, I don’t care for most of them, and if I want them, I’ll earn them. Cosmetics are a great way to have a grind, I’m kinda all for that, Fashion Wars 2 after all.
But it appears the skins aren’t all at the end. That too will tick me off if true, because most of the skins don’t appeal to me, and of those that do, I want the traits and utilities first. This, and the timing, are why we are not happy.

ColinJohanson.2394:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Unless I am mistaken just to unlock half of the training line, we need 212 hero points?

It’s 400 points total to unlock everything in an elite spec training line – I just can’t remember off hand how many points folks have currently if they have done all the existing ones, but it’s right around 200. The rest you’ll need to earn in jungle to unlock the deeper skills/traits/etc. in the training line.

You only need 60 hero points to begin using your elite spec, the points you spend after that continue to unlock more skills, traits, skins, etc.

Again, hero challenges are worth 10 points each in the jungle. So no you don’t need to go do 200-400 jungle challenges.

wow I am disappointed. grind.

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Swagger.1459:

Seera.5916:

Fixing forum bug.

How many hero points to do that?

Apparently a lot more than 400. I’ll let you know when I’ve gotten enough points XD

Maybe we can start a hero point gathering guild together? We could call it “HoPe (we don’t die of boredom)”

Edit- I just realized that it was backwards… How about this… “Colin always destroys our (HoPe)”

Walhalla.5473:

Sytherek.7689:

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

No, I’m upset because ANet said we could unlock the elite spec with the extra effort of core world completion, and 3-days before release, they say we can’t.

Uhhm you can unlock the Elite Spec with extra Effort of World Completion. You “just” need the full 400 to get everything done which includes Skins and I think that the Skin(s) is the really expensive one there for the Elite Spec

IF core world completion earns me ALL elite traits and skills, I’ll be fine with that.

Cosmetic stuff? That I’ll grind for if I want it.

For the avoidance of doubt:

Earning all hero points in Pact Tyria is not the same as getting World Completion. By far the most time consuming part of world completion is the Renown Hearts.

Personally fine with the idea that elite specialisations are not instantly unlockable on HoT’s release. I’m, sure people will try to skip content as much as possible and bee-line the elite specs because they feel “they’re owed it” and “that’s what they paid for”, but there’s really no need.

To all those players claiming that they paid for an elite spec and now they have to play to unlock it… do you expect every other game you buy to come with everything unlocked too? Do you expect FPS games to come already completed? What a silly question…. of course you do.

This all reminds me of the core game’s release in 2012. Players whined until they were blue in the face that they had to level to 80 in PvE and couldn’t just be level 80 from the start. This is the same thing allllll over again. Same people whining about the same kind of thing. Pathetic.

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

2. The 400 points includes the following:
-3 minor traits
-9 major traits
-4 skills
-1 heal
-1 elite
– 6 runes
-1 sigil
-1 weapon skin
-1 armor skin

The initial investment is 60 points to unlock the trait line, after that we don’t know how the points are distributed. However we know that spending 400 points unlocks all that, so you will not need all the points. I suspect you will need ~170 points to unlock all the traits as this is what was previously datamined. The unique weapon and armor skins will likely take a larger amount of points.

They are also called ELITE specs, not CASUAL AUTO UNLOCKED SPECS.

Julischka Bean.7491:

Noooooo….Colin…..difficulty wise the expansion is only for the top notch players….players like me, players like me who are clutzes… will never get a chance at the Elite specs…I am seriously about to cry here.

I bought the expansion, I did the Betas, I fell in love with Reaper, and Berzserker, and scrapper….I, I, I have been farming Hero Points on all my 33 plus characters like a mad thing….I learned to Jump up to Vistas well enough to get Map Complete on one of my characters, and now…..now I am told that the door to the elites have been slammed shut in my face.

Look at my account and you will see all the work I have done. Look at my buying History, I have been a..what do you call it?..a whale? I have played almost every day for three years….

I, I, I am sorry I am old enough to your Grandma and have lousy coordination…Darn, I am crying now…seriously. I was looking forward to this so much……

Lisa.

I could have written this. I am exactly like you. I love this game. I play almost every day. I have lousy coordination and many facets of the game are not available to me through my own limitations. I am not even sure I will be able to play in the Jungle due to the motion sickness that hit me every beta weekend after only a few hours in those tight quarters.

But, even if I couldn’t make through the jungle content I was so looking forward to the new specs… the scrapper.. the tempest.. etc. Which I found out today won’t be available to me.

How disappointing.

Most of my toons except Ranger has like 6-10% world map completion, because I don’t like doing it. But they currently all have their spec finished since they already had everything completed prior to the hero points patch.
Does this mean that come HoT, my toons can just do Hero challenges in Maguuma jungle to be able to use the elite spec, or do I need to go do all the other HP in the rest of the world and the ones in Maguuma just to be able to use the elite spec?

Vavume.8065:

I fail to see how squad UI has anything to do with this matter, we are talking about new content that has always required work to get, the trait lines require work from the moment you start playing the game, its an ongoing thing… and has no relation to squad UI, how you made that jump just because the term new content was used it actually worrying since you are supposed to be a specialist? lol that argument was actually quite pathetic, you should know better.

New content is content that is new. I fail to see how anything coming with HoT is not relevant to the discussion. I presume the argument you intended to make is that squad UI is infrastructural content, and that elite specializations are playable content. If that is indeed the case, hopefully the following statement will make better sense. Anet has advertised on numerous occasions that their plan for horizontal progression was to use masteries, and elite specializations are not masteries. The fact that grind is associated with these new specializations is both a surprise and, in my opinion, unwelcome.

Also:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Also, not that my status as a forum specialist matters at all for this conversation, but if you seriously think you or anyone else would do a better job than me please PM Gaile and Mark. They’ll happily take applications and replace me if they agree with you.

Lastly, just a friendly reminder to keep your posts civil or they will be deleted. Thanks.

Drizzy.1268:

Also this whole thing is just a bad buisness decision.
There are most likely way more ppl out there playing multiple toons equally than ppl sticking to a single toon.
Those ppl spend real money on these toons.
I’m one of these ppl.
And i kinda feel forced to concentrate on one single toon now.
So whats bad for my urge to multiclass, is good for my wallet i guess.

yep 19 toons here, and I use all 8 professions, though ranger is lest used. This is going to SUCK. I wont care over time, and im actually already accepting it, but its just annoying as can be

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

2. The 400 points includes the following:
-3 minor traits
-9 major traits
-4 skills
-1 heal
-1 elite
– 6 runes
-1 sigil
-1 weapon skin
-1 armor skin

The initial investment is 60 points to unlock the trait line, after that we don’t know how the points are distributed. However we know that spending 400 points unlocks all that, so you will not need all the points. I suspect you will need ~170 points to unlock all the traits as this is what was previously datamined. The unique weapon and armor skins will likely take a larger amount of points.

They are also called ELITE specs, not CASUAL AUTO UNLOCKED SPECS.

Datamined isn’t the point this should have been clearly laid out months ago so people actually had the opportunity to work towards this, not dropped onto the community 3 days before the expansion, that’s just bs.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Unlocking your elite spec is a training line in your training panel that costs hero points. You do need to have trained all the existing training lines before you’re allowed to put hero points into your elite spec.

If you’ve got all the hero points in the existing game you’ll have enough to train about half the elite specialization training line on launch day. The rest you’ll need to earn in the jungle or via the new system Tyler outlined yesterday from WvW. The number of points to fully train your elite spec is higher than other training lines – but hero challenges in the jungle are worth 10 points each, so it’s not actually as big as it appears.

Consider me worried, that sounds like an awful lot of work to unlock something I paid £30 to have access to. As someone with more than one character I really feel like unlocking elite specs will turn into a real slog.

Can we stop calling people who went out and did entire world completion on their alts just to prepare for this “casual/lazy/want everything handed to them/whatever.”

I think the disparity here is what’s really awkward and shocking. It’s like, what’s the point of doing normal hero challenges now when one challenge in the jungle gives you more points than entire non-Orr maps in central Tyria

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

2. The 400 points includes the following:
-3 minor traits
-9 major traits
-4 skills
-1 heal
-1 elite
– 6 runes
-1 sigil
-1 weapon skin
-1 armor skin

The initial investment is 60 points to unlock the trait line, after that we don’t know how the points are distributed. However we know that spending 400 points unlocks all that, so you will not need all the points. I suspect you will need ~170 points to unlock all the traits as this is what was previously datamined. The unique weapon and armor skins will likely take a larger amount of points.

They are also called ELITE specs, not CASUAL AUTO UNLOCKED SPECS.

But where are those non-trait and non-skill unlocks located and how many points are they worth compared to the skills and traits? If they’re mostly front end and high point value, we still have a problem. 230 points is an awful lot of points for the non-skill and non-trait stuff.

kevvy.5081:

Most of my toons except Ranger has like 6-10% world map completion, because I don’t like doing it. But they currently all have their spec finished since they already had everything completed prior to the hero points patch.
Does this mean that come HoT, my toons can just do Hero challenges in Maguuma jungle to be able to use the elite spec, or do I need to go do all the other HP in the rest of the world and the ones in Maguuma just to be able to use the elite spec?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/elite-specializations-how-many-hero-points/page/6#post5628102

“Except you don’t! There are enough hero challenges in the jungle you don’t need to do any in the core tyrian world – those simply speed you up on day one if you already got them.” -Colin

Vlad Morbius.1759:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

2. The 400 points includes the following:
-3 minor traits
-9 major traits
-4 skills
-1 heal
-1 elite
– 6 runes
-1 sigil
-1 weapon skin
-1 armor skin

The initial investment is 60 points to unlock the trait line, after that we don’t know how the points are distributed. However we know that spending 400 points unlocks all that, so you will not need all the points. I suspect you will need ~170 points to unlock all the traits as this is what was previously datamined. The unique weapon and armor skins will likely take a larger amount of points.

They are also called ELITE specs, not CASUAL AUTO UNLOCKED SPECS.

Datamined isn’t the point this should have been clearly laid out months ago so people actually had the opportunity to work towards this, not dropped onto the community 3 days before the expansion, that’s just bs.

And you would have worked toward the unlocks differently than getting the HPs in the game now… how exactly????

Seera.5916:

Walhalla.5473:

Sytherek.7689:

TJgalon.5012:

so, if I understand this right, the people are upset because they are not handed everything right out the gate?

No, I’m upset because ANet said we could unlock the elite spec with the extra effort of core world completion, and 3-days before release, they say we can’t.

Uhhm you can unlock the Elite Spec with extra Effort of World Completion. You “just” need the full 400 to get everything done which includes Skins and I think that the Skin(s) is the really expensive one there for the Elite Spec

The thing is, we don’t know the order of unlocking things. If the skins and what not are mostly toward the late end and/or require a LOT of HP’s compared to skills and traits, things will be fine. But if most are at the beginning, that’s still a lot of HP’s.

I think it is more likely that the Skins and Stuff you don’t need but are nice, are on the End of the Order. Would make Sense to get them when you are fully Specialized. If they are on the last Places then this Crapstorm was…. well a Crapstorm about nothing. If the Expensive Stuff is at the Beginning or some of the Traits are Mega Expensive then we have a crappy Situation. ( And then I’ll complain )

But still. Don’t just overreact now and complain later after Release that Anet is silent again. ( And this will happen if they are going silent again because of too many Crapstorms )

kevvy.5081:

Most of my toons except Ranger has like 6-10% world map completion, because I don’t like doing it. But they currently all have their spec finished since they already had everything completed prior to the hero points patch.
Does this mean that come HoT, my toons can just do Hero challenges in Maguuma jungle to be able to use the elite spec, or do I need to go do all the other HP in the rest of the world and the ones in Maguuma just to be able to use the elite spec?

Somehwere on like page 6 i belive, Colin mention that you do not need any core hero points, as the jungle give you all the point you need, but the core ones give a boost.

Vlad Morbius.1759:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

2. The 400 points includes the following:
-3 minor traits
-9 major traits
-4 skills
-1 heal
-1 elite
– 6 runes
-1 sigil
-1 weapon skin
-1 armor skin

The initial investment is 60 points to unlock the trait line, after that we don’t know how the points are distributed. However we know that spending 400 points unlocks all that, so you will not need all the points. I suspect you will need ~170 points to unlock all the traits as this is what was previously datamined. The unique weapon and armor skins will likely take a larger amount of points.

They are also called ELITE specs, not CASUAL AUTO UNLOCKED SPECS.

Datamined isn’t the point this should have been clearly laid out months ago so people actually had the opportunity to work towards this, not dropped onto the community 3 days before the expansion, that’s just bs.

To be fair, they told us that elite specs would require Hero Points to unlock, all the way back when they did the last trait system change (to specializations). People have speculated that we would need at least 145 points (the current cost of a spec and skill line that contains an elite skill) for the elite spec. They never retracted that statement, only further enforced it, that HPs would be necessary. So people have been doing hero challenges in preparation.

We just weren’t expecting it to cost quite that much….

Welcome to the K-TRAIN in HoT as zergs steamroll over content to get the hero points…. lovely scenery? Nope too busy keeping up with zerg to look.

Change it so its the between 84(highest amount needed for core for one traitline and skill type) and 100 points to unlock traits/skills and that they are first things unlocked. Also you can unlock it whether or not the core stuff is complete. Then I’ll be good with the amount needed to unlock everything.

Edit: Mistakes were made.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

I wouldn’t be so sure after reading this :

It works just like any other training line - except all the skills, traits, skins, abilities, etc. are all inside one full training line that costs 400 points to get everything in the entire line. It costs 60 points to unlock and be able to play as the elite specialization itself.

emphasis mine

I know I now won’t be enjoying the HoT content like I should be. I’m going to be focusing on running several characters through the zones getting hero points to unlock elite specializations.

This is going to feel okay the first and second time. This is going to feel terribly grindy the 7th and 8th and 9th time though.

Ranael.6423:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread…

1. Traits and skills are unlocked separately. There is one line for skills and one line for traits. Open up your hero panel and take a look.

I wouldn’t be so sure after reading this :

It works just like any other training line - except all the skills, traits, skins, abilities, etc. are all inside one full training line that costs 400 points to get everything in the entire line. It costs 60 points to unlock and be able to play as the elite specialization itself.

emphasis mine

Yep, and if the skins aren’t the only things at the end of the line, or if all the skills/traits/abilities cost like 375 hero points, then we are right back to where we are now, with all the same concerns that have been expressed.