Are we gonna use dragon's power against Mord?
If it doesn’t have any support but “maybe”, of course it’s not a valuable arugment.
We’ve seen that his champion, Captain Whiting even didn’t know everything his crew knew, why the Eye would know about our mentor’s loss and our relationship when it’s guarding the source in Orr all along?
He can as long as their was a champion nearby. So you are saying he could not alert his own navy after a long while(ship misdirected, fight began, we reached the shore of Orr), but chose to tell the eye about our mentor’s loss in a little while, after we entered the place and fought the Eye?
Yet you use things that have no support other than “maybe” and state them as real facts, atleast i know that there are other possibilities.
Captain Whiting isn’t zhaitan, you’re confusing things again. Zhaitan knows everything of the person he corrupts knows, that’s a whle lot of information to go through. The eye would know this because it was told by Zhaitan, the Eye isn’t miles away but at the source of Orr and thats a lon time after our mentor died, so plenty of time for him to pay a visit to Zhaitan.
Little while? so directly after our mentor died we stormed orr? oh well guess i thought all the parts inetween happened too and weren’t jsut a dream. There was plenty of time for Zhaitan to inform his main champions.
No he can’t, once again you mistake the fact that “zhaitan knows all that his corrupted knows” with " his corrupted know all that zhaitan know" which is completely false. The ship happend in a way shorter time than the time we took to actually get to orr after our mentor died. You remeber all that stuff that happened inbetween? ye that did actually happen.
Then there is no proof of Reza and all the kings being mesmers and powerful enough to see through others’ mind as well. Plus the princes already proved that not all Orrian Royal members were mesmers. The other two nations’ royal line also suggested that it’s very unlikely that they were.
We are talking about magical abilities.
Give me a link or a source for your statement that says that we already know no all princes were mesmers (not that i ever stated such) Other’ nation’s royal lines proof nothing and suggest even less.
No once again you are wrong
This is such a useless excercise, as long as you state things that are unknown/known to be false as facts there is no point in continuing this
First of all, I’ll have no part in this argument if you keep spouting fallacies and deny basic logic. Take a deep breath, read your post and think if it makes any sense at all before you post.
Moving on.
“Avatar of the Tree: Those who have been corrupted reveal everything to Zhaitan. Nothing is secret, least of all those places where his enemies hide.”
You are placing the words of a liar and an insane sylvari above that of the Pale Tree.
As for why the lighthouse plan worked – Zhaitan wasn’t omniscient. It couldn’t exactly take note every time a risen died somewhere. However, finding specific information is a different story. Compare it to keeping track of all the news feeds on internet as opposed to doing a google search on a specific topic.
The Tree said Zhaitan, not all his minions. Did she say that Zhaitan could not see through mind? Actually the Eye was able to see through Sylvari , who could not be turned into Risen.
Zhaitan wasn’t omniscient, so it ignored the lighthouse being taken, ships misdirected and let us attack the shore but took a look at our relationship with the mentor but NEVER used it against us, then suddenly remembered it when we entered the source and just let the Eye taunt us?
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Yet you use things that have no support other than “maybe” and state them as real facts, atleast i know that there are other possibilities.
Captain Whiting isn’t zhaitan, you’re confusing things again. Zhaitan knows everything of the person he corrupts knows, that’s a whle lot of information to go through. The eye would know this because it was told by Zhaitan, the Eye isn’t miles away but at the source of Orr and thats a lon time after our mentor died, so plenty of time for him to pay a visit to Zhaitan.
So the Eye was Zhaitan? In the novel, when Whiting was staring at Cobiah, he felt the Dragon’s stare as well, when the captain died, Zhaitan roared as well. To its champions, distance doesn’t matter.
Little while? so directly after our mentor died we stormed orr? oh well guess i thought all the parts inetween happened too and weren’t jsut a dream. There was plenty of time for Zhaitan to inform his main champions.
Actually, no Risen mentioned it or used it against us even after we became a big target of it(it tried to frame us) other than the Eye.
No he can’t, once again you mistake the fact that “zhaitan knows all that his corrupted knows” with " his corrupted know all that zhaitan know" which is completely false. The ship happend in a way shorter time than the time we took to actually get to orr after our mentor died. You remeber all that stuff that happened inbetween? ye that did actually happen.
So Zhaitan knew but he chose not to inform its troop? The ship happened in at least quite a few hours and Zhaitan could not inform its troop when its champions are everywhere?
Give me a link or a source for your statement that says that we already know no all princes were mesmers (not that i ever stated such) Other’ nation’s royal lines proof nothing and suggest even less.
No once again you are wrongThis is such a useless excercise, as long as you state things that are unknown/known to be false as facts there is no point in continuing this
Check on the princes, they don’t all use mesmer ability. So don’t use Queen Jennah.
First of all, I’ll have no part in this argument if you keep spouting fallacies and deny basic logic. Take a deep breath, read your post and think if it makes any sense at all before you post.
Moving on.
“Avatar of the Tree: Those who have been corrupted reveal everything to Zhaitan. Nothing is secret, least of all those places where his enemies hide.”
You are placing the words of a liar and an insane sylvari above that of the Pale Tree.
As for why the lighthouse plan worked – Zhaitan wasn’t omniscient. It couldn’t exactly take note every time a risen died somewhere. However, finding specific information is a different story. Compare it to keeping track of all the news feeds on internet as opposed to doing a google search on a specific topic.
The Tree said Zhaitan, not all his minions. Did she say that Zhaitan could not see through mind? Actually the Eye was able to see through Sylvari , who could not be turned into Risen.
Zhaitan wasn’t omniscient, so it ignored the lighthouse being taken, ships misdirected and let us attack the shore but took a look at our relationship with the mentor but used it against us, then suddenly remembered it when we entered the source and just let the Eye taunt us?
One specific minion is not “all his minions”. And amuse me, give me a credible source for your claim that “the Eye was able to see through Sylvari”. If you claim something like that, you need to back it up.
In the noise of a large scale war with none of his champions present, picking out the loss of the lighthouse would have been like finding a needle in a haystack, pardon the cliché. However, every soldier of the Pact knows about the Commander, and a great many Pact soldiers died in Orr. Zhaitan was very much aware of the Commander, so why would it be strange for it to dig information specific to the Commander to use against him or her at one of the most important battles of the war?
And as has been said before, you can tell the Sovereign Eye is lying when it claims Zhaitan has corrupted a sylvari if you fight it with a priory character.
Only fools and heroes charge in without a plan.
One specific minion is not “all his minions”. And amuse me, give me a credible source for your claim that “the Eye was able to see through Sylvari”. If you claim something like that, you need to back it up.
In the noise of a large scale war with none of his champions present, picking out the loss of the lighthouse would have been like finding a needle in a haystack, pardon the cliché. However, every soldier of the Pact knows about the Commander, and a great many Pact soldiers died in Orr. Zhaitan was very much aware of the Commander, so why would it be strange for it to dig information specific to the Commander to use against him or her at one of the most important battles of the war?
And as has been said before, you can tell the Sovereign Eye is lying when it claims Zhaitan has corrupted a sylvari if you fight it with a priory character.
Because she said it, and never denied it after she recovered.
No, the lighthouse directed where its navy go, which is why it was heavily guarded, I don’t think it’s a small needle, but a very important piece since Zhaitan greatly rely on its navy and was trying to stop us from landing. But Zhaitan never used our mentor’s loss against our character, nor did its minions mentioned it before this last encounter ever. It’s also just a taunt.
One specific minion is not “all his minions”. And amuse me, give me a credible source for your claim that “the Eye was able to see through Sylvari”. If you claim something like that, you need to back it up.
In the noise of a large scale war with none of his champions present, picking out the loss of the lighthouse would have been like finding a needle in a haystack, pardon the cliché. However, every soldier of the Pact knows about the Commander, and a great many Pact soldiers died in Orr. Zhaitan was very much aware of the Commander, so why would it be strange for it to dig information specific to the Commander to use against him or her at one of the most important battles of the war?
And as has been said before, you can tell the Sovereign Eye is lying when it claims Zhaitan has corrupted a sylvari if you fight it with a priory character.
Because she said it, and never denied it after she recovered.
No, the lighthouse directed where its navy go, which is why it was heavily guarded, I don’t think it’s a small needle, but a very important piece since Zhaitan greatly rely on its navy and was trying to stop us from landing. But Zhaitan never used our mentor’s loss against our character, nor did its minions mentioned it before this last encounter ever. It’s also just a taunt.
And how does she know? A sylvari, once awoken, does not see the dream. She saw the eye stare at her, and was reasonably terrified, and came to a wrong conclusion. Do you think she did scholarly research on the eye to deduct that it had stared into the dream? I don’t think so. And do you expect her to go “Oh, by the way, that stuff I said when I was raving and scared out of my mind? I didn’t really know what I was saying, soz!”? I don’t.
There were other major battles going on at the same time in Orr, looking after it’s own logistics probably wasn’t Zhaitan’s highest personal priority. In fact, it had Vigil tanks to keep it’s eyes on. A few dead risen were just drops in an ocean of warfare. And Zhaitan did use that knowledge against the Commander, in the very fight we are talking about. In the manner of the Sovereign Eye taunting the Commander. This was one battle where 1: Zhaitan was sure the Commander would be present, and 2: a minion capable of utilizing that knowledge was present.
Only fools and heroes charge in without a plan.
And how does she know? A sylvari, once awoken, does not see the dream. She saw the eye stare at her, and was reasonably terrified, and came to a wrong conclusion. Do you think she did scholarly research on the eye to deduct that it had stared into the dream? I don’t think so. And do you expect her to go “Oh, by the way, that stuff I said when I was raving and scared out of my mind? I didn’t really know what I was saying, soz!”? I don’t.
There were other major battles going on at the same time in Orr, looking after it’s own logistics probably wasn’t Zhaitan’s highest personal priority. In fact, it had Vigil tanks to keep it’s eyes on. A few dead risen were just drops in an ocean of warfare. And Zhaitan did use that knowledge against the Commander, in the very fight we are talking about. In the manner of the Sovereign Eye taunting the Commander. This was one battle where 1: Zhaitan was sure the Commander would be present, and 2: a minion capable of utilizing that knowledge was present.
Because it indeed twisted her mind? Sure because there was nothing to counter her words.
A few? The lighthouse was used to direct the Risen navy, without it they would simply lose the direction. Not to say the Pact was using the ships to help the troops land and destroy the catapults, which is a big, big part of the war. Compare to that, some relationship between the commander and a dead mentor meant little, especially the Risen only used it to taunt us.
Guys, debating in this thread is pointless. Slowpokeking is just denying your arguments as proofless, and if provide proof he just twists your argument.
Even if a dev came in here and said that he was wrong, he’d still argue that he’s right. I’ve seen such happen before, and he’s acting just the same. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s the same person, honestly.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.