Guild Wars 2

CETheLucid.3964:

Trigr.6481:

CETheLucid.3964:

Chiming in to agree with Deathmatch idea with rounds, best 3 out of 5. No respawn/rez.

Keeps things organized while still keeping the pace going, without changing the original vision of the map which is to wipe out the enemy team.

And maybe make the place a little bigger. It was a very cramped, albeit beautiful map. Was always a fan of this one but I understood why it was removed from rotation.

A more structured mechanic like this would make it a treat to play and set the framework for newer maps in this vein.

Personally I think the overall size of the map was perfect, however I think the map design on that particular map is atrocious. It was so cluttered with random crap that it felt smaller than it really was.

Yeah, I guess. I get the walls and everything, it’s to LoS your enemies and vice versa. That’s a good thing.

No I agree with having line of sight on maps, I’m saying that particular maps design is poor.

Trigr.6481:

CETheLucid.3964:

Trigr.6481:

CETheLucid.3964:

Chiming in to agree with Deathmatch idea with rounds, best 3 out of 5. No respawn/rez.

Keeps things organized while still keeping the pace going, without changing the original vision of the map which is to wipe out the enemy team.

And maybe make the place a little bigger. It was a very cramped, albeit beautiful map. Was always a fan of this one but I understood why it was removed from rotation.

A more structured mechanic like this would make it a treat to play and set the framework for newer maps in this vein.

Personally I think the overall size of the map was perfect, however I think the map design on that particular map is atrocious. It was so cluttered with random crap that it felt smaller than it really was.

Yeah, I guess. I get the walls and everything, it’s to LoS your enemies and vice versa. That’s a good thing.

No I agree with having line of sight on maps, I’m saying that particular maps design is poor.

I mean I’ve seen worse but yeah, it could use some touching up. I like big maps and I cannot lie.

I want Grounch start slaping some faces , when ppl start moaning about :
a) ‘’why in a 5v1 scenario last remaining enemy player starts LoSing-kitting all over the map for 10 min , causing a draw’’
b) And in the case they ajgust it either by making the team with the most damage or players alives to win :
‘’why company nerfed it …. and now in a 4v3 scenario the 4 players are doing the kiting , while the 3 dont have a chance…’’
:P

Also make it rigged , so you have to choose this or between Coliseum and 2 other maps and show us the results after 3 months :P

No respawn. That would be all.

GW2 would have the better PvP by far, if only it had GW1’s game modes.

Okay thank u for so much comments!:)

Im okay with all new modes

BUT: DONT MAKE IT CAPTURE THE FLAG LIKE ANY OTHER MAP !!!!!!!

Lexander.4579:

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

i have a revolutionary idea: add 3 circles on the map and make people capture them to get points

Ignore this clown.

Simply remove the force spawns mechanic and give one team a small points/min bonus for holding mid.

Also, make more maps like moba map, but make optional ways to fix build bias, such as buffing archer minions.

Azukas.1426:

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Capture the flag

^

Killthehealersffs.8940:

I want Grounch start slaping some faces , when ppl start moaning about :
a) ‘’why in a 5v1 scenario last remaining enemy player starts LoSing-kitting all over the map for 10 min , causing a draw’’
b) And in the case they ajgust it either by making the team with the most damage or players alives to win :
‘’why company nerfed it …. and now in a 4v3 scenario the 4 players are doing the kiting , while the 3 dont have a chance…’’
:P

Also make it rigged , so you have to choose this or between Coliseum and 2 other maps and show us the results after 3 months :P

That’s why each round would last like 3-4 mins, team with the most members alive wins. And none of this “draw” business.

If both teams have an even number up it’s redone up to five times at which point if no one wins, everyone loses and the match counts as a defeat.

And yes, please slap them.

After the initial stealth-burst …

Killthehealersffs.8940:

After the initial stealth-burst

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Yes please, 5v5 deathmatch, no respawns. Just like what Random Arena used to be back in GW. Man did I love random arenas..

PierPiero.9142:

I did not like it but i +1 on this. At least in unranked having a bit of variety is a good thing . I can understand you can not have it in ranked becouse builds for a such map should be a little bit different from builds on conquest and so , if you get this map randomly the match is meaningless. But in unranked, imho , it is better to have more maps. If my build is not ok for that map … and i lose , in unranked, it is not a great problem. Unranked is for having fun

you can swap build before the match

bring back Courtyard ? really ? no no, plz no.

ranked will be solo/duo normally competitive ^^ so no Courtyard !

unranked will be for premade so plz no Courtyard ! how people can be competitive if you put this kind of map ?

Just let this map in Hotjoin and custom arena it’s enough.

Syrius Gorn.5384:

bring back Courtyard ? really ? no no, plz no.

ranked will be solo/duo normally competitive ^^ so no Courtyard !

unranked will be for premade so plz no Courtyard ! how people can be competitive if you put this kind of map ?

Just let this map in Hotjoin and custom arena it’s enough.

Why u say this?
I agree to not put it in ranked but in untranked ist the best Thing ever!

not everyone likes Point capture System and thats why really much ppl dont Play pvp.

This map makes pvp more attractive.

Just including my voice to the choir. Bring back Courtyard! And make some new maps for Deathmatch too!

Then add a separate choice for it just like we have for Stronghold!

Tweak the map a little and just make it a 1v1 queue where to mess around

@Toasa, i said this because with s5 in pvp, premade can play only in unranked, so it’s already a joke, but if you add this map… it’s just the end of premade, and the end of the possibility to play competitives games in premade.

So after they have to change the WTS and make it solo with random placement in teams. god no plz, they killed premade now you want to kill unranked.

Syrius Gorn.5384:

@Toasa, i said this because with s5 in pvp, premade can play only in unranked, so it’s already a joke, but if you add this map… it’s just the end of premade, and the end of the possibility to play competitives games in premade.

So after they have to change the WTS and make it solo with random placement in teams. god no plz, they killed premade now you want to kill unranked.

destroyed:D? ist only 1 map mate, and mabye anet can add more tdm maps and make a tick like stronghold, so u can choose if u want this mode?

if they do this ok, a separate Q, but not in unranked when it’s the only way to play in premade.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

The most important point is a separate queue like stronghold.

the biggest issue team death match suffered from was the spawn killing if one team managed to get a moment of domination they could just push the spawn due to the map size and spawn kill for rest of match.

we need a death match with 4 teams of 3. more teams equals more unpredictable outcomes, the maps should each have a unique powerful weapon bundle pickup that spawns in the map centre that teams can fight over.

don’t bring team death match back unless it, getting a massive overall, if it gets brought back half baked at least put it on its own tick box like stronghold.

Saiyan.1704:

TDM
3 rounds
Time limit of 5m
Lowest average health team loses the round after time expires

Exactly this, and remove respawn, but keep downstate.

My own suggestions for courtyard:

Remove the side paths from the map, narrow it to just the actual courtyard. My reasoning here is that this map, and the deathmatch game type, should be all about getting in there asap and blowing people up, obstructions like the ones that exist in the middle are important to have but the very long, curved walls just take away from the action. Those bridges aren’t terribly fun to work around either. Navigating terrain shouldn’t be an issue for this particular game type.

EDIT: The actual arena’s size should be about 1200-1500 range units so that nobody can try hide out of range.

After removing the side paths, move the spawn locations up to where after respawn, you are instantly back into the action, hopefully this will lead to fewer teams rolling out 1 at the time and feeding the win to the other team who is camping their own spawn point.

Respawns should happen in waves for this game type. Again to try to help those of us who get “that team of noobs” who roll out single file.

The respawn timer for this should also be rather short compared to conquest. The timer is there to punish the team of the guy who died, but in practice, most times the dead guy is just going to run back out and get himself focused and killed exactly the same way again immediately anyway.

For flavor, ALL cooldowns should be cleared when respawning. My theory on this is that it should increase the carnage and speed up the game progress. (Need moar DEATH).

Saiyan.1704:

TDM
3 rounds
Time limit of 5m
Lowest average health team loses the round after time expires

Lowest sum of health*

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Do to Team Deathmatch what you did for Stronghold – have a check for whether you want to queue for it or not.

That’s the best start you can do.

My suggestion would be to make it akin to the Priest Deathmatch of GW1: players respawn until a homebase NPC is killed. Win conditions:

• Kill enemy homebase NPC then wipe out enemy players
• Reach 500 points via kills only
• Time Out win condition: highest NPC health (major bonus to points) + number of kills.

And I would make this the base set up for all Team Deathmatch maps in the future. We have enough Conquest maps, we need more of other game format maps.

Maps, when more are made, can have variances such as:

• Boons like from Temple of the Silent Storm
• NPCs guarding the main one
• Central cap point that triggers an environmental trap on the other team
• Capture the Flag (grab a bundle in the middle of the room then run it back to your homebase NPC for bonus points)
• A nigh invulnerable NPC wandering the map that could easily slaughter solo players (only for the bigger maps) – would add an obstacle to avoid, rather than additional target like Forest of Niflhel’s npcs.

Saiyan.1704:

TDM
3 rounds
Time limit of 5m
Lowest average health team loses the round after time expires

Problem with your suggestion: Folks can just slap on vitality primary gear and have an innate advantage over those who don’t.

The way to fix this would be to just count % of health instead.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Just split maps in new pvp game mode (maybe with AP, title, for every mode):
- DeathMatch
- Conquest
- Stronghold
-Any other if you’ll add some more

I think Courtyard was fun ‘cause was mindless, i hope you’ll add more arena like that.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

I’d like this if -
1) It got it’s own mode/checkboxes like Stronghold and Conquest. If you are not interested in it (either period or just that day) you should not be forced into it.
2) Unranked only. It is not balanced for ranked, but is good to skirmish test builds and for dailies.
3) As suggested, no infinite respawns. Team wipe, resets both teams at spawn, best of 3 rounds. 5 minute limit on the 3 rounds, so you can’t just stall forever.

I’d like to see courtyard available for hotjoin.

And nowhere else.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Yes, make it a best 2 out of 3 type of match. Once a team dies the game resets, repeat until one of the teams wins 2 matches. When the game is won the winning team gets the option to stay and go onto the next game. (Sounds familiar?).

What I’m saying is I want RA and TA to be introduced to GW2, in the same way it existed in GW1. (Maybe allow people to join 1v1s, 2v2s, up to 5v5s.).

RA and TA plz, Conquest is holding back GW2’s PvP scene.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Wider outer area. Repositioning of team bases to reflect this change.

Players of a team spawning spread out instead of together in the same spot, to raise individual skill participation.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Courtyard is perfectly fine.

The problem is that Courtyard is a Team Deathmatch map with Kill Count rules that has been put together with Conquest maps in the same queue.

It is not a Conquest map, and it cannot be in the Conquest list. It must be filtered separately like Stronghold.

And since people will stack more in this mode, and we have several balance problems involving builds that work too well when players just stack and spam stuff almost mindlessly, it can’t be put on ranked until that’s fixed. But in unranked it’s not only welcomed, it’s needed.

More Team Deathmatch and Stronghold maps would also be nice, with their own unique map design or map mechanical quirks. But Courtyard is fine at it is.

It doesn’t need map mechanics, it doesn’t need redesigns, It needs its own separate queue filter like stronghold. That’s all.

This.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Do to Team Deathmatch what you did for Stronghold – have a check for whether you want to queue for it or not.

That’s the best start you can do.

My suggestion would be to make it akin to the Priest Deathmatch of GW1: players respawn until a homebase NPC is killed. Win conditions:

• Kill enemy homebase NPC then wipe out enemy players
• Reach 500 points via kills only
• Time Out win condition: highest NPC health (major bonus to points) + number of kills.

And I would make this the base set up for all Team Deathmatch maps in the future. We have enough Conquest maps, we need more of other game format maps.

Maps, when more are made, can have variances such as:

• Boons like from Temple of the Silent Storm
• NPCs guarding the main one
• Central cap point that triggers an environmental trap on the other team
• Capture the Flag (grab a bundle in the middle of the room then run it back to your homebase NPC for bonus points)
• A nigh invulnerable NPC wandering the map that could easily slaughter solo players (only for the bigger maps) – would add an obstacle to avoid, rather than additional target like Forest of Niflhel’s npcs.

Saiyan.1704:

TDM
3 rounds
Time limit of 5m
Lowest average health team loses the round after time expires

Problem with your suggestion: Folks can just slap on vitality primary gear and have an innate advantage over those who don’t.

The way to fix this would be to just count % of health instead.

How is this different from Stronghold aside from the spawnable adds?

Another thing, killer NPC’s won’t happen. This is for the exact same reasons as the possibility of fall deaths was removed from Skyhammer. It makes knockbacks and other CC far too powerful. For example, I would always play hammerguard in a map such as that simple because of Banish. I would just shoot ppl to the path of that thing.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

What if every player spawned in a different spot? 10 spawn points around the map would keep the zerg in check. Maybe there are stat buffs like in Colosseum including something that would cause reveal for like 20 sec or something. The devs could get creative with the different buffs available in a battle only game mode. The key is to create something else in the match to focus attention. And make it so that ignoring the secondary mechanic will give the opponent an advantage.

R O C.6574:

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

What if every player spawned in a different spot? 10 spawn points around the map would keep the zerg in check. Maybe there are stat buffs like in Colosseum including something that would cause reveal for like 20 sec or something. The devs could get creative with the different buffs available in a battle only game mode. The key is to create something else in the match to focus attention. And make it so that ignoring the secondary mechanic will give the opponent an advantage.

+1 on this

You could give it a point bleed. Points only bleed when the opposing team has one less enemy than they do, and increases the more enemies are despawned. Cap match duration to 10 minutes. Team with most points at end, or first to bleed the other dry, wins.

R O C.6574:

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

What if every player spawned in a different spot? 10 spawn points around the map would keep the zerg in check. Maybe there are stat buffs like in Colosseum including something that would cause reveal for like 20 sec or something. The devs could get creative with the different buffs available in a battle only game mode. The key is to create something else in the match to focus attention. And make it so that ignoring the secondary mechanic will give the opponent an advantage.

No please no. GW2 is sorely lacking a PvP mode with no secondary objectives. If this comes back it would be best to be just a pure fight, no secondary objectives, no mechanics, nothing but fighting the other team

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

Make it bigger – not much – just as much that the graphics don’t suffer from scaling up

SaltAndLight.4652:

MithranArkanere.8957:

Courtyard is perfectly fine.

The problem is that Courtyard is a Team Deathmatch map with Kill Count rules that has been put together with Conquest maps in the same queue.

It is not a Conquest map, and it cannot be in the Conquest list. It must be filtered separately like Stronghold.

And since people will stack more in this mode, and we have several balance problems involving builds that work too well when players just stack and spam stuff almost mindlessly, it can’t be put on ranked until that’s fixed. But in unranked it’s not only welcomed, it’s needed.

More Team Deathmatch and Stronghold maps would also be nice, with their own unique map design or map mechanical quirks. But Courtyard is fine at it is.

It doesn’t need map mechanics, it doesn’t need redesigns, It needs its own separate queue filter like stronghold. That’s all.

This.

This!

I think Courtyard would be a huge mistake. After all, a major reason population is low is massive stomps. Courtyard promotes just that.

No, please… It’s dead, let it lie.

Ithilwen.1529:

I think Courtyard would be a huge mistake. After all, a major reason population is low is massive stomps. Courtyard promotes just that.

No, please… It’s dead, let it lie.

sometimes you seem like you think things thru, sometimes you jump to conclusions like a wild person. this is the latter

major reason pvp pop is low is partially unbalanced fights and blow outs, another huge part is boredom. i’m bored crazy when i try to pvp these days. after 2 or 3 matches i think, this isn’t fun, i could be playing X instead, i just spent at least 30-45 mins, and i don’t feel like it was worth it

a part of why the imbalance and blow outs turns people away from gw2 pvp is the length of the fights too. after 1 encounter, and looking at the map and seeing how my team is responding, i can 9/10 times tell if its a loss. but even if its a loss i have to stay in this match for at least 5-10 minutes more, it makes you hate yourself and the game.

if some of these suggestions are actually put together, where its best 2 of 3 rounds, or just 1 round no respawn. at least the match is over < 5 mins. at least we can get another round going. i just wanted to pvp. can’t we just fight, win, fight, lose, fight, fight fight.

Courtyard had two big issues.

The first and biggest issue, imo, was:
1) Pre-mades. In a pure 5v5 (sort of stuff that you see in wvw and GvGs), being organized is everything. Fighting a pug team with a pre-made in a 5v5 can’t have any other outcome than a pure roflstomp 95% of the time because the pre-made will be very coordinated and will have proper builds for the fight, ressing, focusing targets, healing, backing out and regrouping. A pug team doesn’t stand a chance against that, especially when they’re inexperienced as to how 5v5s work. Making it so courtyard is either only soloQ or duoQ could fix this issue.

2) People’s mentality. From my experience, people were unwilling to change their profession or build in courtyard and used conquest-type builds instead. For example, back when courtyard was a thing, if you had 2-3 shout heavies (shout guard or warrior), you could roflstomp the enemy team because of massive AoE condi clears from shouts, might stacking, stability, protection and AoE retal… and yet no one utilized that. Sure, not everyone can play everything so you can’t expect EVERYONE to change their profession, but you can at least change your build… and I found that people were most often just clueless because a pure 5v5 is very different than conquest so people didn’t even know what to do or how it works or what works.

I think I saw someone say this, but if in courtyard there was no health regeneration when you get out of combat, it might make it so that the enemy team can’t get back to full health by the time you respawn if they kill you. This would make it so they are rarely full health. They would have to spend a large amount of time and cooldowns to heal themselves and are thus easier to kill when you respawn. Maybe?

Ithilwen.1529:

I think Courtyard would be a huge mistake. After all, a major reason population is low is massive stomps. Courtyard promotes just that.

No, please… It’s dead, let it lie.

I think if it is a checkbox you could just, I don’t know, uncheck the box if you don’t want to play with the big kids. A lot of people liked courtyard, so why should they suffer because you don’t like it?

OriOri.8724:

R O C.6574:

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

What if every player spawned in a different spot? 10 spawn points around the map would keep the zerg in check. Maybe there are stat buffs like in Colosseum including something that would cause reveal for like 20 sec or something. The devs could get creative with the different buffs available in a battle only game mode. The key is to create something else in the match to focus attention. And make it so that ignoring the secondary mechanic will give the opponent an advantage.

No please no. GW2 is sorely lacking a PvP mode with no secondary objectives. If this comes back it would be best to be just a pure fight, no secondary objectives, no mechanics, nothing but fighting the other team

I think a secondary objective (read buffs) is necessary to split focus and discourage zerging. If you want pure and unaltered combat, maybe they should have 1v1, 2v2 & 5v5. 1v1 & 2v2 would have no buffs, but the 5v5 still needs a secondary mechanic imo.

R O C.6574:

Ithilwen.1529:

I think Courtyard would be a huge mistake. After all, a major reason population is low is massive stomps. Courtyard promotes just that.

No, please… It’s dead, let it lie.

I think if it is a checkbox you could just, I don’t know, uncheck the box if you don’t want to play with the big kids. A lot of people liked courtyard, so why should they suffer because you don’t like it?

The “big kids?” You imply that somehow Courtyard was a more advanced form of play.

I absolutely don’t agree. That is born out by the fact that ANET removed it from the queue. Not even Spiritwatch, the other primarily team fight map suffered that fate, (though the orbs were nerfed to tone down the constant mid fight.)

Death match is video game style, all about reaction speed. More than anything else, I see that it’s an opportunity to take advantage of other players.

Real pleasure comes from winning by skill in a hard fought match. The pleasure of cheesing is a pale shadow by comparison.

As for a checkbox, I’m all for it with some provisos. The map should never be in ranked or seasonal play. It should be absolutely opt-in. I genuinely hate that map and have no desire whatever to go back there.

I don’t want my fun ruined by this map.

Josh Davis.6015:

Would you want to see any changes to Courtyard before it came back? A new mechanic, perhaps?

It needs visual rework. Problem with it – too cluttered → can’t see crap. Too much favoritism for aoe spammers as well.

Ithilwen.1529:

I think Courtyard would be a huge mistake. After all, a major reason population is low is massive stomps. Courtyard promotes just that.

No, please… It’s dead, let it lie.

Stomps aren’t the reason population is low. Population is low because the development/balance cycles are way too slow.

Jaxom.7310:

Ithilwen.1529:

I think Courtyard would be a huge mistake. After all, a major reason population is low is massive stomps. Courtyard promotes just that.

No, please… It’s dead, let it lie.

sometimes you seem like you think things thru, sometimes you jump to conclusions like a wild person. this is the latter

major reason pvp pop is low is partially unbalanced fights and blow outs, another huge part is boredom. i’m bored crazy when i try to pvp these days. after 2 or 3 matches i think, this isn’t fun, i could be playing X instead, i just spent at least 30-45 mins, and i don’t feel like it was worth it

a part of why the imbalance and blow outs turns people away from gw2 pvp is the length of the fights too. after 1 encounter, and looking at the map and seeing how my team is responding, i can 9/10 times tell if its a loss. but even if its a loss i have to stay in this match for at least 5-10 minutes more, it makes you hate yourself and the game.

if some of these suggestions are actually put together, where its best 2 of 3 rounds, or just 1 round no respawn. at least the match is over < 5 mins. at least we can get another round going. i just wanted to pvp. can’t we just fight, win, fight, lose, fight, fight fight.

also pvp feels unrewarding. only good thing is ascended drops and those are the rarest thing in the game (as it should be)

Yeah! Bring Courtyard back!

PvP is desperately overdue for a change. Four years of conquest makes PvP beyond stale. Courtyard and TDM was simple and fun. It’s pure combat at its finest. Stronghold just failed and never even took off.

Courtyard map isn’t bad, but its not fit for the 5v5 deathmatch as initially implemented. I am not sure which of the following would work (needs testing), but some combination would make the map very fun:

- 3v3
- 5v5 annihilation: 5 rounds of 5 minutes tops, no respawn each round, winner of tie during a round is one with most dps.
- 5v5, but with wave respawns (every 20s) like in original pvp.
- Some central objective, like a huge capture point that encompasses most of the middle (including some LOS) to focus the fight and so people can’t just hide in stealth. Capping the point just counts the same as 1 kill on the scoreboard and resets the point to neutral.

BlackBeard.2873:

Courtyard map isn’t bad, but its not fit for the 5v5 deathmatch as initially implemented. I am not sure which of the following would work (needs testing), but some combination would make the map very fun:

- 3v3
- 5v5 annihilation: 5 rounds of 5 minutes tops, no respawn each round, winner of tie during a round is one with most dps.
- 5v5, but with wave respawns (every 20s) like in original pvp.
- Some central objective, like a huge capture point that encompasses most of the middle (including some LOS) to focus the fight and so people can’t just hide in stealth. Capping the point just counts the same as 1 kill on the scoreboard and resets the point to neutral.

3v3 is a good Point!!