^ that.
I’ll say it again – it’s easy seeing all sunshine and rainbows when you main something as solid as a mesmer. Acting like elitists with nothing to back it up just proves it.
Why don’t you post some vids of this " He learned how to counter, so he won" you’re always spouting about?
That doesn’t prove much, he should have been alittle more careful.
Yet i’ve fought that egineer, he’s one of the pretty darn good ones and yet he’s insta gibbed by one mistake.. for shame.
On a side note he should have ’ learned how to play’ like they’re writing which stands for – don’t fight mesmers alone, you’ll lose.
You do realize that video was posted b4 the burst nerf to mesmers shatter Khyras. They dont that much damage anymore. And ive seen teldoo 1vs1 top mesmers before on his stream.
Using something thats current would be useful if someones trying to make a point.
Especially people who post shatter vids BEFORE IT WAS NERFED.
LOL yay for showing a shattered strength bug video that is almost 2 months old. This reminds me of the argument I had about the whole Phase Retreat needing to be on a 30sec cooldown because warriors couldn’t stun us as fast. Then I found a skill that was on a 10sec cooldown that warriors could use to stun. But since no one runs a mace something HAD TO BE DONE TO MESMERS so we could match the builds that everyone wants to run.
Edit: How many mesmers miss the shazaam your dead build. :P
Filmed not even a month ago and on the full 80 heavy Golem.
Edit: If you watch till the end you will hear him also state: If the Target lives (doubtful if they don’t block/dodge/or something) then it will also have 10 stacks of confusion.
LOL yay for showing a shattered strength bug video that is almost 2 months old. This reminds me of the argument I had about the whole Phase Retreat needing to be on a 30sec cooldown because warriors couldn’t stun us as fast. Then I found a skill that was on a 10sec cooldown that warriors could use to stun. But since no one runs a mace something HAD TO BE DONE TO MESMERS so we could match the builds that everyone wants to run.
Edit: How many mesmers miss the shazaam your dead build. :P
That Warrior skill is also tied to the Adrenaline and is almost completely useless without a full bar of said adrenaline. Also note, you have to be in range for that skill and not be blinded.
LOL yay for showing a shattered strength bug video that is almost 2 months old. This reminds me of the argument I had about the whole Phase Retreat needing to be on a 30sec cooldown because warriors couldn’t stun us as fast. Then I found a skill that was on a 10sec cooldown that warriors could use to stun. But since no one runs a mace something HAD TO BE DONE TO MESMERS so we could match the builds that everyone wants to run.
Edit: How many mesmers miss the shazaam your dead build. :P
That Warrior skill is also tied to the Adrenaline and is almost completely useless without a full bar of said adrenaline. Also note, you have to be in range for that skill and not be blinded.
Still does a stun. And I also remember something about how mesmers can no longer summon clones on blinds/dodges/blocks/invulns… Hmmmmm. Also the video of the guy you posted that is a High burst build but still takes some time to repeat and IDK why he didn’t use diversion on the golem because when timed right and using a sword Diversion can inflict more vulnerability. His health is also really low for a PvP Mesmer so chances are he would still go down super fast. This game is all about who gets the drop on who no matter what class it is.
Filmed not even a month ago and on the full 80 heavy Golem.
Edit: If you watch till the end you will hear him also state: If the Target lives (doubtful if they don’t block/dodge/or something) then it will also have 10 stacks of confusion.
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Filmed not even a month ago and on the full 80 heavy Golem.
Edit: If you watch till the end you will hear him also state: If the Target lives (doubtful if they don’t block/dodge/or something) then it will also have 10 stacks of confusion.
Thank you. Thank you so much.
I’ve played every class out there BUT mesmer, for the single fact that there are way too many of them in the game already ( and for good reason.. ).
Seeing how easy it is to do those numbers just makes me want to cry really. I really mean it.
All he did is press the numbers in a string and walla! dead HEAVY golem.
I’ve not seen a mesmer from the eyes of the pilot seat, now i regret seeing that.
I can only dream of such easy high numbers on my engineer , not to mention that the overall combo i can preform is loose,erratic and is not a 7 second cooldown one (like the end of that video shows).
That mesmer even has the same amount of life as me. Ridiculous.
And to the guy above : Using one problem to account for another is a straw man argument.
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
Still does a stun. And I also remember something about how mesmers can no longer summon clones on blinds/dodges/blocks/invulns… Hmmmmm. Also the video of the guy you posted that is a High burst build but still takes some time to repeat and IDK why he didn’t use diversion on the golem because when timed right and using a sword Diversion can inflict more vulnerability. His health is also really low for a PvP Mesmer so chances are he would still go down super fast. This game is all about who gets the drop on who no matter what class it is.
Actually without Adrenaline you can’t use the skill… so no “it does not do a stun”.
Eff it. I’m out. Other classes still out perform a mesmers burst like lets say a GS warrior/BS thief or a GC d/d ele. Have fun when ANet doesn’t listen to you whiners and changes absolutely nothing because changing tooltips is easier than changing coding. Also cool tip for you warriors out there that hate getting hit with a Blurred Frenzy if you trait for it movement strikes break immobilize! IE whirlwind attacks/bullscharge and 5 other skills you have access to!
Still does a stun. And I also remember something about how mesmers can no longer summon clones on blinds/dodges/blocks/invulns… Hmmmmm. Also the video of the guy you posted that is a High burst build but still takes some time to repeat and IDK why he didn’t use diversion on the golem because when timed right and using a sword Diversion can inflict more vulnerability. His health is also really low for a PvP Mesmer so chances are he would still go down super fast. This game is all about who gets the drop on who no matter what class it is.
Actually without Adrenaline you can’t use the skill… so no “it does not do a stun”.
Yes but in the C/D time you can still build back up to at least 1 level of adrenaline.
Still does a stun. And I also remember something about how mesmers can no longer summon clones on blinds/dodges/blocks/invulns… Hmmmmm. Also the video of the guy you posted that is a High burst build but still takes some time to repeat and IDK why he didn’t use diversion on the golem because when timed right and using a sword Diversion can inflict more vulnerability. His health is also really low for a PvP Mesmer so chances are he would still go down super fast. This game is all about who gets the drop on who no matter what class it is.
Actually without Adrenaline you can’t use the skill… so no “it does not do a stun”.
Yes but in the C/D time you can still build back up to at least 1 level of adrenaline.
For a 1 second stun if you are in range. Which the argument about this is, the recharge on phase retreat is 8 seconds. So even if you could close the gap and gain adrenaline in that time they could just phase retreat out every time. (Warriors do not have that many gap closers that are reliable nor can we gain adrenaline on that level)
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Just a side note, a theory – It’s what i always presumed.
A – net fears changing mesmer since it’s their poster boy.
It’s the only special class in the game (at this point) that isn’t present in a different rpg.
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Correct me if i’m wrong, but beside the shatter, doesn’t he have a 8 second cooldown when he’s done his combo? How is that comparable to 100 b?
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Correct me if i’m wrong, but beside the shatter, doesn’t he have a 8 second cooldown when he’s done his combo? How is that comparable to 100 b?
The Warrior Greatsword 2 skill “100 Blades” while traited is a 6 second cool-down rooted skill that channels over 3 and 1/2 seconds.
The Mesmer Sword 2 Skill “Blurred Frenzy” while traited is a 8 second cool-down rooted skill with distortion attached over 1/2 second.
The majority of his damage is coming from the Shatter.
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Exactly the point. That is the Warrior build on a Mesmer. Only Mesmers have multiple different routes to make it so much better than the Warrior builds. It takes the majority of the Warriors skills to achieve the minimal Mesmer build. While the Max Warrior is still more vulnerable than the Min Mesmer.
yep, when you try to use only wep set and when you dont need to use your illus for some defense. i mean not even 2k armor and 18k hp is such a strong defense you can spam your MW 24/7… this is getting ridiculous. Not to forget that 50% of xour illus die in the aoe… Im not saying Mesmer is not solid, but to say “PLS NERF, DMG IS OP LOLOLOL” based on a heavy golem kill, srsly? And no a mesmer doesnt have multiple roots, he got illu leap and magic bullet (this one is a bit op actually) on pistol if you play pistol but as i allrdy mentioned pistol isnt used that often.. you also have the curtain pull on focus, but with this one its hard to control where your enemie gets pulled..
yep, when you try to use only wep set and when you dont need to use your illus for some defense. i mean not even 2k armor and 18k hp is such a strong defense you can spam your MW 24/7… this is getting ridiculous. Not to forget that 50% of xour illus die in the aoe… Im not saying Mesmer is not solid, but to say “PLS NERF, DMG IS OP LOLOLOL” based on a heavy golem kill, srsly?
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Exactly the point. That is the Warrior build on a Mesmer. Only Mesmers have multiple different routes to make it so much better than the Warrior builds. It takes the majority of the Warriors skills to achieve the minimal Mesmer build. While the Max Warrior is still more vulnerable than the Min Mesmer.
And that one skill that you just pointed out is on a whopping long six second cooldown outdamages ANY other class in the game and it doesn’t matter what you say other wise. A 100b Warrior can easily catch someone with a stun break on cooldown and guarantee an instant win.
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Exactly the point. That is the Warrior build on a Mesmer. Only Mesmers have multiple different routes to make it so much better than the Warrior builds. It takes the majority of the Warriors skills to achieve the minimal Mesmer build. While the Max Warrior is still more vulnerable than the Min Mesmer.
And that one skill that you just pointed out is on a whopping long six second cooldown outdamages ANY other class in the game and it doesn’t matter what you say other wise. A 100b Warrior can easily catch someone with a stun break on cooldown and guarantee an instant win.
That win is conditional to someone not having a stun break up while the warrior has a 2 second stun or higher up. Which on the “traditional” Greatsword—Axe/shield Build you have one of on a 40 second cool-down. Most other classes have stun breakers on shorter cool-downs. Mesmers: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_mesmer_skills
Down at the bottom are their utilities.
While the other classes do not need such a heavy set up. This thread is about Mesmers not Warriors. If you want to make it about Warriors make a thread about it.
Yes this is a thread about mesmers. And people simply dismissing skills that other classes have that can counter mesmers because the mesmers presented it. It doesn’t need to be a thread about another class for us to use an example of that class.
Edit: max warrior to achieve minimum Mesmer? Are you effing kidding me. A warrior auto attack has more damage than any other class and their burst skills do the most damage AND they have the highest damaging non-elite skill in the game. The only thing I would say warriors need any improvement on might be condi removal.
Yes this is a thread about mesmers. And people simply dismissing skills that other classes have that can counter mesmers because the mesmers presented it. It doesn’t need to be a thread about another class for us to use an example of that class.
I didn’t dismiss the skill, I simply showed you that the Mesmer class has better skills on shorter cool-downs. All the while, obtaining the same amount of “burst” needed to kill someone with a horrible build that could never happen on another class.
I’m sorry but Blurred Frenzy=/=100B or is it better on the damage aspect. The only good thing about BF is that it has some good defense too it. Yet 100B can do 8k base damage and much MUCH more depending on the warriors build BF might do 5k depending on the mesmers build. So the only real saving grace on why any Mesmer would go melee is blurred frenzy. Other than that we are toast in melee range.
I’m sorry but Blurred Frenzy=/=100B or is it better on the damage aspect. The only good thing about BF is that it has some good defense too it. Yet 100B can do 8k base damage and much MUCH more depending on the warriors build BF might do 5k depending on the mesmers build. So the only real saving grace on why any Mesmer would go melee is blurred frenzy. Other than that we are toast in melee range.
Do tell how you can actually get someone to stand in a full “100 blades” without some sort of 2 second stun? Blurred Frenzy can not only be used for offensive purpose but I would argue that it is mostly used for defensive reasons.
And how many classes have access to a full two second stun? I hear shield bash is good but I wouldn’t know for sure since I am not a warrior player. But that is why you need timing and not keyboard face rolling.
And how many classes have access to a full two second stun? I hear shield bash is good but I wouldn’t know for sure since I am not a warrior player. But that is why you need timing and not keyboard face rolling.
First off… not needing to know the other profession to beat them shows that the class is kind of broken.
Secondly, Shield Bash has a 1 second stun with 300 range. So either that Mesmer is already in melee range (almost) or he won’t even be stunned long enough to get 1/3 of “100” Blades off. The damage from “100 Blades” is not instant like the Mesmer burst. Even if we stack our “Frenzy” with this it still takes 1 and 3/4 seconds to do a full “100 Blades” while the Mesmer combo is 1/2 second to being with.
It is fine by me to leave, but I still agree with you Blakey. A-net will not touch the Mesmer because it is its baby. What would be the point of the custom class if people couldn’t face roll with it?
Filmed not even a month ago and on the full 80 heavy Golem.
Edit: If you watch till the end you will hear him also state: If the Target lives (doubtful if they don’t block/dodge/or something) then it will also have 10 stacks of confusion.
He popped almost every c/d he had on one weapon set to do less damage than BS thief and 100b CLAP CLAP CLAP! and guess what? mes don’t have cloak at the end of that combo.
^ plus he did it wrong. Even if he did it right it’d still be less than a thief.
If you stand there and let someone use all their skills on you, and you end up dying it’s your own fault.
Decent BM rangers have no problems with shatter, they can out heal most of it lol.
“I control time and space; you can’t break free.~” “Maybe I was the illusion all along!”
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Exactly the point. That is the Warrior build on a Mesmer. Only Mesmers have multiple different routes to make it so much better than the Warrior builds. It takes the majority of the Warriors skills to achieve the minimal Mesmer build. While the Max Warrior is still more vulnerable than the Min Mesmer.
And that one skill that you just pointed out is on a whopping long six second cooldown outdamages ANY other class in the game and it doesn’t matter what you say other wise. A 100b Warrior can easily catch someone with a stun break on cooldown and guarantee an instant win.
A 100b is only a one trick pony. If you die, l2p – seriously. A well played warrior will definetly beaten by an mid-skill mesmer. Range/clones, teleport, stun, root, >REAL Melee
And how many classes have access to a full two second stun? I hear shield bash is good but I wouldn’t know for sure since I am not a warrior player. But that is why you need timing and not keyboard face rolling.
First off… not needing to know the other profession to beat them shows that the class is kind of broken.
Secondly, Shield Bash has a 1 second stun with 300 range. So either that Mesmer is already in melee range (almost) or he won’t even be stunned long enough to get 1/3 of “100” Blades off. The damage from “100 Blades” is not instant like the Mesmer burst. Even if we stack our “Frenzy” with this it still takes 1 and 3/4 seconds to do a full “100 Blades” while the Mesmer combo is 1/2 second to being with.
It is fine by me to leave, but I still agree with you Blakey. A-net will not touch the Mesmer because it is its baby. What would be the point of the custom class if people couldn’t face roll with it?
Why do you even come to the PvP forums? You’ve stated repeatedly you don’t PvP hardly ever, you’ve shown in other posts that you lack even a basic knowledge of how PvP works and you don’t do tournaments. We’re not all out to get just mesmers. We want classes that are blatantly over powered tweaked so they’re not anymore. Oh, and FYI, pet necros, guardians with spirit weapons and engis with turrets don’t currently fit well in PvP, which I suppose you would know, if you did it more often.
I post here because any “fix” to please the PvP whiners has NEVER been split for mesmers. So it affects my game play elsewhere. Dungeons/WvW and such. So I come here with options for the whiners yet they refuse to listen to me or the 50 other Mesmer players that post with advice.
The PvP ‘whiners’ are the ones that actually, you know, PvP, so yet again, you’re commenting on something you have almost no knowledge about. I guess we’re supposed to feel bad that we’re a small portion of the playerbase? The game was advertised as potential e-sport, so I would say that PvP should be just as important as other aspects of the game. Dodging burst should be enough, but mesmers, being the precious, special snowflake they are, are the only prof that requires you to dodge in a specific direction to escape it. Even that I can work around, but when you routinely deny things that people playing PvP every day see you’re just out of your element. Your points are just bad dude. The engi turret/guardian spirit weapon, etc comparison was laughable and you pop into the PvP forums to comment on things you have no clue about. I don’t post in the PvE/WvW forums because, you got it, I hardly ever play those aspects of the game and it would be ridiculous for me to comment on things I don’t have personal experience. I just really wish you would follow the same philosophy. Try playing another class against a shatter mesmer in PvP for a few weeks and tell me how you feel. Yes, it’s something the majority of average to good players have learned to counter, but seriously, it’s like jumping through kittening hoops to beat a decent one and fighting a good one requires you to play perfect or end up dead. You have a RIDICULOUS amount of damage, defense, utility and escapes in one build. Ele’s are going to get hit with the nerf bat because of their all in wonder, why shouldn’t you?
I skimmed the thread but lol’d heartily at
“No class requires the amount of counterplay as a mesmer”
We are the illusionist class, we are supposed to be tricky, but the most amount of counterplay? LoL I guess you haven’t fought a good ddele/CondiRanger or your MMR is so high you only fight mesmers like nero vitus xee and the other top tier mesmers..
Mesmer requires you to counter-play every class… you can’t just run in get melee range and start bashing your face across your keyboard like a warrior/thief..
OH IM SORRY I FORGOT THOSE CLASSES TAKE SKILL TO PLAY MY BAD
I skimmed the thread but lol’d heartily at
“No class requires the amount of counterplay as a mesmer”
We are the illusionist class, we are supposed to be tricky, but the most amount of counterplay? LoL I guess you haven’t fought a good ddele/CondiRanger or your MMR is so high you only fight mesmers like nero vitus xee and the other top tier mesmers..
Mesmer requires you to counter-play every class… you can’t just run in get melee range and start bashing your face across your keyboard like a warrior/thief..
OH IM SORRY I FORGOT THOSE CLASSES TAKE SKILL TO PLAY MY BAD
Counterplay varies, each class has to be countered in some way and there are strats to pull it off. I’m not saying that it’s impossible but you would have to be either blind, or genuinely naive, to think that the extents of counterplay that a SINGLE mesmer requires, is on par with other classes.
Level 60 pvp
Ele & thief main (full ascended)
Down with the braindead faceroll classes.
Why are people so surprised that they are losing to good mesmers? Are they just as surprised when they lose to a good engineer? A good theif? A good ranger?
Yes, good players are going to win more often than not.
To the mesmers here. I am done posting. We have given our advice. It falls on deaf ears. People refuse to listen. I feel that these people will not be happy until our only source of damage (illusions) is completely removed from game and we are left with nothing but our really really weak auto attacks. And to razor I am not “trolling” nor am I bad at this game because one really has to try to be bad at this game like make an actual effort to suck I just don’t want my class to suffer anymore nerfs because of Mesmer complaint threads that are completely unfounded.
People arent refusing to listen. They are disagreeing. My mains not a mesmer, and i dont think mesmers are OP.
I think timewarp is a bit strong, but other than that, mesmers are FINE.
Well that is a different discussion entirely but most would agree our other 2 elites blow. And the extent to which they disagree is to the point where they are dismissing arguments completely just because those arguments come from a Mesmer.
I mean i disagree with the orginal poster, about memsers being too strong.
I dont know why so many people have so much trouble with them.
Good mesmers are tough, but good anything is tough.
