Guild Wars 2

On the Ready Up stream, Grouch asked what duels you want to see with the three announced specializations. So, thought I’d jump in and see what everyone would like to see the most! I’ll do a tally of what everyone says and send it in.

Some ideas right off the bat:

1. Thief vs Power Reaper
2. Thief vs Condi Reaper
3. Slowing Chronomancer vs Reaper
4. Thief vs Chronomacner
5. Hambow vs Reaper
6. Power Ranger vs Reaper
7. Power Ranger vs Dragon Hunter

EDIT:

Also feel free to post some theory crafted build you have! I’m sure the devs would be much more inclined to show off an awesome build rather than show off their spec get destroyed by a direct counter (which is pretty inevitable for any build anyways).

I copy past my reply from the other topic, a mod can delete my original topic

Hi,
Josh, you asked for a feedback and here we are.
I find very useful you guys try different 1vs1 with different build and prof and try to balance stuff but not offense, your skill level and theory craft is not really high so i think you should ask to High ESL player like ROM, Helseth, Tage, Phantaram etc. to help you to try this new stuff.
This is because these players, after only few hours, can understand what it will be really broken, not only in 1vs1 scenario but for Conquest too and the entire community won’t wait 6 months to have super broken stuff fixed.

Just my two cents.

1. Thief vs Power Reaper

Reaper vs Chronomancer or Thief

Logic would be old vs new

Guard vs Dragonhunter
Necromancer vs Reaper
Mesmer vs Cronomancer

I would like to see how well the new specs do vs. what is usually the base class’s weakest matchup to see if it truly opens new doors.

From what we have seen so far:

1. Chronomancer vs. thief (d/p or s/d)
2. Dragon-hunter vs. ele (d/d or s/f)
3. Reaper vs. thief?? (Necros aren’t as much countered by anyone 1v1, as much as easily focused in teamfights)

1. Condi reaper vs Shoutbow, as shoutbow currently hardcounters every condi spec.

2. Chronomancer vs D/P thief.

Chronomancer VS DH !!!!

Reaper VS Ranger !!!
Druid VS Warrior
Tempest VS Engineer

Finally – Revenent VS Everyone o_o

0 starting LF reaper vs anything as long as the reaper start with 0 LF and the opponent doesn’t just stand there. Not sure why duels…

1) thief vs necro

Thief must play 606060 panic+exe+all the shadow arts bull
Necro anything that gives him a role
Thief must lose 9/10 or necro is non viable

2) necro vs chrono or power ranger

Necro must start with 0 lf, not demanding wins just wanna see how good it deals with ranged pressure – can it stick on something with all the new chills or insta die

3) thief vs chrono mes

Same shadowregencleansebull thief , too see how much it hard counters mesmer. Problem is the real counter is in teamfight not in 1v1, but still wanna see those 2 juke it out

3) dragonhunter vs anything

Can be new shoutbot 2.0 , too see if that thing is even killable with
1x cleanse /5s extra
1x passive shout stunbreak extra
1000 armor extra or endure pain

4) any condi build if you dream theyll be viable with shoutbows around

I know it was supposed to be 1vs1s, but it would be nice to see reaper and chrono in a teamfight. Especially reaper because that is currently where necromancers are lacking.

philheat.3956:

Hi

I find very useful you guys ….
you should ask to ROM, Helseth, Tage, Phantaram etc. to help you to try this new stuff.
… won’t wait 6 months to have super broken stuff fixed.

this!!!!…

you can even ask me….. ego/10

If they need a good ranger to represent the class I’d be willing to help!

MadVisions.4529:

philheat.3956:

Hi

I find very useful you guys ….
you should ask to ROM, Helseth, Tage, Phantaram etc. to help you to try this new stuff.
… won’t wait 6 months to have super broken stuff fixed.

this!!!!…

you can even ask me….. ego/10

The problem with this is that you need at least 4-5 guys on every class to get well rounded comments (certainly couldn’t trust one of every class). There aren’t 4-5 pro necros or rangers for this game. Also, these guys are pro in pvp, would they consider that Reaper (at least GS and shouts) is basically set up for necros in pug dungeons(solo 25 might 25 vuln and 100% crit chance) and wvw commanding?

philheat.3956:

I copy past my reply from the other topic, a mod can delete my original topic

Hi,
Josh, you asked for a feedback and here we are.
I find very useful you guys try different 1vs1 with different build and prof and try to balance stuff but not offense, your skill level and theory craft is not really high so i think you should ask to High ESL player like ROM, Helseth, Tage, Phantaram etc. to help you to try this new stuff.
This is because these players, after only few hours, can understand what it will be really broken, not only in 1vs1 scenario but for Conquest too and the entire community won’t wait 6 months to have super broken stuff fixed.

Just my two cents.

Don’t forget guys. Grouch was like top 30 before joining arena net. Focus a bit more on what you think would be a cool match up or even a combo you want to see tried!

Reaper vs Chrono is a bit unspecific.

Condi Reaper vs Slow Chrono is a bit better.

Carrion Curses/Soul/Reaper with Dhuumfire vs Zerker Dom/Duel/Chrono and slow traits is best.

BlackBeard.2873:

I would like to see how well the new specs do vs. what is usually the base class’s weakest matchup to see if it truly opens new doors.

From what we have seen so far:

1. Chronomancer vs. thief (d/p or s/d)
2. Dragon-hunter vs. ele (d/d or s/f)
3. Reaper vs. thief?? (Necros aren’t as much countered by anyone 1v1, as much as easily focused in teamfights)

I’m a big fan of this.

As much as I’d personally love seeing how Power Ranger performs with the spec changes and the increase in projectile hate, they might be stale against these 3. Power Ranger vs Reaper is probably going to be just about as easy(read: unfun+cheesey) as dueling most Necs and I think Shatter Chrono will have a landslide advantage = too many threats to dodge. I honestly don’t want the DH vs Ranger to end up being similar to Medguard vs Ranger ie: If the Ranger makes a mistake, they die, if they outplay almost every move then zzz gg.

I want to see some big dog duels!

Shatter Chrono(DA/Duel mb Illusion, player’s choice) vs DA/Trick/SA Thief. http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgcBrAXYA9g~ (Although if the interaction between Mug+Blinding Powder steal is better than the current stealth-on-steal interaction then take that)

If you could showcase the siphons working in Reaper’s shroud that’d be hype. I’d probably shotgun suggest Cele Blood/Soul Reap Dhuumfire sustain vs Cele Shoutbow War http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AggDuASoBbg~ to put those burning stacks to work!

Engi is already pretty slick in 1v1, maybe this would be a good candidate to place vs the DH. I feel like the new trait lines are currently hurting D/D Cele Ele too much for me to care to see it vs the Guard spec. At least the F2 leap and F3 projectile hate can create some good plays in this matchup!

TL;DR:
Shatter Chrono vs D/P Thief
Blood/Dhuumfire/Reaper vs Cele Shoutbow War
Engi vs Dragonhunter (any build)

The Gates Assassin.9827:

philheat.3956:

I copy past my reply from the other topic, a mod can delete my original topic

Hi,
Josh, you asked for a feedback and here we are.
I find very useful you guys try different 1vs1 with different build and prof and try to balance stuff but not offense, your skill level and theory craft is not really high so i think you should ask to High ESL player like ROM, Helseth, Tage, Phantaram etc. to help you to try this new stuff.
This is because these players, after only few hours, can understand what it will be really broken, not only in 1vs1 scenario but for Conquest too and the entire community won’t wait 6 months to have super broken stuff fixed.

Just my two cents.

Don’t forget guys. Grouch was like top 30 before joining arena net. Focus a bit more on what you think would be a cool match up or even a combo you want to see tried!

Reaper vs Chrono is a bit unspecific.

Condi Reaper vs Slow Chrono is a bit better.

Carrion Curses/Soul/Reaper with Dhuumfire vs Zerker Dom/Duel/Chrono and slow traits is best.

As long as the reaper start with 0 LF he can equip what he wants.

So, I think the thing that is more important than the matchups are the trait loadouts, the ammy used, and the runes/sigils. If the duels aren’t using the updated versions of all of these factors the matchups basically mean nothing. If they’re dueling with runes/sigils/ammys that won’t be the same when HoT comes out then we have no idea what the real power of these builds are.

Also, I do think giving players that aren’t devs a chance to get behind the wheel and duel/craft would increase player confidence. Even if there is no funny business some people are going to assume that one player isn’t gonna give it their all so that the specialization looks good.

I think letting community members make and show off builds would go a long way.

EDIT: At the very least it would be nice to be able to give feedback as to what build will be used.

I vote for:
1.Thief vs Condi Reaper
2.Power Ranger vs Reaper

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Grouch asked what duels you want to see

game apparently not balanced around duels, as much as i like dueling isnt it kinda stupid to show off dueling, wouldnt it be better to invite a few popular people to have scrims with the new specs instead?

power ranger will own reaper, as the reaper is slow and has no reflects… ranger will just stay at range.

OMGimAnoobLOLOL.4730:

BlackBeard.2873:

I would like to see how well the new specs do vs. what is usually the base class’s weakest matchup to see if it truly opens new doors.

From what we have seen so far:

1. Chronomancer vs. thief (d/p or s/d)
2. Dragon-hunter vs. ele (d/d or s/f)
3. Reaper vs. thief?? (Necros aren’t as much countered by anyone 1v1, as much as easily focused in teamfights)

I’m a big fan of this.

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TL;DR:
Shatter Chrono vs D/P Thief
Blood/Dhuumfire/Reaper vs Cele Shoutbow War
Engi vs Dragonhunter (any build)

This ^

Power Shatter Chrono vs Power D/P DA/SA/Tr Thief
Cele Rifle Engi vs Any Dragonhunter

BurrTheKing.8571:

So, I think the thing that is more important than the matchups are the trait loadouts, the ammy used, and the runes/sigils. If the duels aren’t using the updated versions of all of these factors the matchups basically mean nothing. If they’re dueling with runes/sigils/ammys that won’t be the same when HoT comes out then we have no idea what the real power of these builds are.

Also, I do think giving players that aren’t devs a chance to get behind the wheel and duel/craft would increase player confidence. Even if there is no funny business some people are going to assume that one player isn’t gonna give it their all so that the specialization looks good.

I think letting community members make and show off builds would go a long way.

EDIT: At the very least it would be nice to be able to give feedback as to what build will be used.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Reaper vs Chrono is a bit unspecific.

Condi Reaper vs Slow Chrono is a bit better.

Carrion Curses/Soul/Reaper with Dhuumfire vs Zerker Dom/Duel/Chrono and slow traits is best.

Suggesting specific builds is better. I don’t know how pumped anet will be to show off a direct counter to a specialization they’re trying to get peopled hyped about, but showing off a spec that people want to see would definitely make them excited!

Also think of some mirror matches that would be interesting. The stream was Hambow vs Hambow. What about GS Zerk warrior vs GS Zerk Reaper?

this thread is interesting

lets see…

i wanna see how the new elite specs will fare against their current counters.

• chrono v teef
  • double ranged power shatter mes (staff/gs) or power shatter sw/x & gs or staff mes converted to chronomancers
  • d/p or s/d and sb power teef, such meta

• dragonhunter v … terrormancer?
  • definitely wanna see a meta hammedi evolution get wrecked by the boon control, i dont think itll change all that much from current.

oh right reaper…

• power reaper v … cele rifle engi
  • im not sure that cele rifle engi is a counter to power necro, but they always seem to die pretty easily. unless dat chill of death proc goes bananas.
• power reaper v dragonhunter would be nifty
• condi reaper v shoutbow? not sure about actually countering, but that condi clearing power.

Let’s face it, they are both holding back. They do not want to show real duels where one spec might get destroyed by another with 100-0 because that would cause outrage. This is pretty much staged imo.

I agree with Shatter/Slow Chronomancer vs. Thief (S/D or D/P).
Let us see if there’s any improvement in that matchup :P

Zerker ele(dd/sf) vs zerker thief(panic+exe)
Zerker ele(dd/sf) vs reaper
Want to see how badly that goes for ele