Guild Wars 2

Allie Murdock.8152:

Most of the 10% has direct access to the developers already. Some take advantage of it, most do not. We can’t control whether or not they give us feedback, but we definitely give them ample opportunity to do so.

If you want people to trust you (and thus reduce complaints) you need to be more transparent. Ask each of these interviewees if they are happy to be recorded and publicly posted.

Record these conversations and post them on your site.

Also, importantly, you have to define formal criteria on who gets to be allowed into this little club, or people will naturally be suspicious that only top players that confirm what you’re already doing are listened to.

Oblivion.8307:

don’t expect to change the game with your new found power.

i don’t but i will try my best

I think when it comes to the current state of the game/meta it doesn’t really matter whether one belongs to the 4%, 10% or 90% (where I belong). Almost everyone (at least everyone I know) agrees that the current meta is horrible cheesy and that the last patch didn’t really change much about that.

But it probably is a difference when it comes to the question how to change things for establishing a new meta. Of course, condispam and AI-stuff need nerf, but then what? What needs to be buffed? How will the new meta look like after the nerf? Will it be better/less cheesy?
I can’t answer it. And this is probably the “4-10%-business” Sensotix is talking about.

Oblivion.8307:

cymerdown.4103:

Honestly, the premise behind this topic is pretty offensive and ignorant. It’s fine to not like the direction of balance taken, but to say that 90% of the player base should be ignored is pretentious and also downright wrong. It’s perfectly reasonable to aim for good game balance at ALL skill levels, not just top tier. If there are specs that are oppressively strong at a low skill level (a noob can easily pick it up and crush other noobs with it), then that should be noted and addressed by the devs simply because that spec will discourage new pvpers from learning the game. A perfect example is the old 100b spec before the quickness nerf. That build was a huge problem for new players and extremely easy to play, so it was turning off lots of people from pvp, even though it wasn’t considered great in top tier play.

Everyone should give their own feedback, and then the devs can decide which suggestions are good and which are bad, keeping in mind all skill levels, not just balance at the top 1% (which is still important and has its own requirements). Also, the whole thing is kinda silly in that the gist of the thread is, “Yo devs, you need to listen more to skilled guys like me! Not going to make any suggestions here, though, but I will at some point in the future in a video. But when I do, listen! Other guys listen to me all the time, like <name bomb> because I’m really really good, I promise! Did I mention I’m good? No suggestions though.”

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hooma.9642:

Oblivion.8307:

cymerdown.4103:

Honestly, the premise behind this topic is pretty offensive and ignorant. It’s fine to not like the direction of balance taken, but to say that 90% of the player base should be ignored is pretentious and also downright wrong. It’s perfectly reasonable to aim for good game balance at ALL skill levels, not just top tier. If there are specs that are oppressively strong at a low skill level (a noob can easily pick it up and crush other noobs with it), then that should be noted and addressed by the devs simply because that spec will discourage new pvpers from learning the game. A perfect example is the old 100b spec before the quickness nerf. That build was a huge problem for new players and extremely easy to play, so it was turning off lots of people from pvp, even though it wasn’t considered great in top tier play.

Everyone should give their own feedback, and then the devs can decide which suggestions are good and which are bad, keeping in mind all skill levels, not just balance at the top 1% (which is still important and has its own requirements). Also, the whole thing is kinda silly in that the gist of the thread is, “Yo devs, you need to listen more to skilled guys like me! Not going to make any suggestions here, though, but I will at some point in the future in a video. But when I do, listen! Other guys listen to me all the time, like <name bomb> because I’m really really good, I promise! Did I mention I’m good? No suggestions though.”

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Xiaolongnu.6453:

Sensotix.4106:

To my mind it would be important to listen to the 4% (or the 10%) because then we might see good changes that 90% of the people wont understand at first but those changes would be much better for the game than the changes the 90% suggest…

Adolf Hitler say something similar to this all the time during WW2.

wow ..just wow how stupid must one be to compare that..
please bann this guy from the forums…i am from austria and that’s something you should really never ever say to me

I reported that post. Someone did that on one of my threads too it’s completely inappropriate

I don’t even know what to say about this..

Come on Sensotix..Its silly to say “ask me dude, i know the way”…The 90% and the 10% are just numbers that came from your head, its nothing reasonable or objective in them.

So everyone need to say how they feel and its up to the devs to weight things over.
Its not right to treat casuals that way.
As Allie said they listen to reason and objective feedback.The end

i will edit my post

edited it to better express what i wanted to say

It would be nice if we had a way to participate to the talk with the devs, one way or another, maybe with twitter ? So you could see our questions and our thought right away.
The only reason why i’m putting this idea out is that i feel the actual pvp “talks” (SotG, …) are mostly empty, and only reflect what the wide majority thinks about balance, while appearing as a one or two man idea, yet there is still good question to raise. It doesn’t make things grow deep enough IMHO.

What do you think about that ?

This is a very slippery slope. So we have two kinds of players now?

The good ones, that are deemed worthy to listen to. And the rest, who can just kitten off, because they’re just not cutting it.

In an international game this is culturally risky stuff. Some people are EXTREMELY sensitive to a ‘chosen few’ system.

Like statistics?

60% of the readers of this thread now feel they will never be a part of the future of gw2.

The devs do not have the track record to convince anyone we should continue to trust their balance choices.

Frye.4608:

This is a very slippery slope. So we have two kinds of players now?

The good ones, that are deemed worthy to listen to. And the rest, who can just kitten off, because they’re just not cutting it.

In an international game this is culturally risky stuff. Some people are EXTREMELY sensitive to a ‘chosen few’ system.

Like statistics?

60% of the readers of this thread now feel they will never be a part of the future of gw2.

This is the issue I tried to bring up with my other post. They need to balance the tpvp builds around the top 5%, but they need to listen and adjust the other builds for the other 95%. The problem atm is most classes only have 1 viable build.

I feel like people focus on the wrong things, as if they tried to be unproductive on purpose (I get it, people love the drama more than anything).

We have Allie divulging some interesting information (I watched the SotG back then, where J. Sharp stated that they do include top players in the balancing process, but you have been way more explicit, since we now know you guys have “face to face” discussions on a weekly basis).

I know first hand how communication between designers and selected players works. Not all they suggest is good, nor are good suggestions always listened to, because they might not be feasible to implement (that’s pretty much what symbolic has been alluding to when he says no matter how good your feedback, never count on it to be implemented, even thought it might happen occasionally).

That said, whether the internal process is fruitful or not, the most objective of questions I can raise in light of this new information provided by Allie is the following:

Have you considered replacing some of your inactive “top players”? It would only make sense to have fresh blood come in for those who are less interested in contributing. I know screening the forums for that takes time, but if this process is valued at all, that’s what I’d be doing.

I have no idea why people assume that “top” players have any clue about balancing and developing a game.
I have seen pretty much all SOTG’s, Tournaments and read a lot of threads on this forum for the past year, and yes some of the “top” players have a great understanding of the game and what changes it would benefit from, but there sure as hell are others who are completely clueless.
Most of (not all) these top players are simply people with basic understanding of games in general, and they are often as selfish as any other solo-queuer, using nothing but whatever build is considered the best. Hell, even some of the “top” players started syncing when solo-q was introduced.

Listenting to the wrong people can certainly be devastating, but I fear that some of these “top” players might actually fall into that category. I’ve seen great posts from unknown people, and garbage posts from “top” players.
Just because you’re above average at playing and executing the game, that doesn’t mean you have a clue about why this game has not become a success.
And so with that said, in case you’re wondering, I’ve often been on Helseth’s side when it comes to making changes/balancing.

Surely there are people who might disagree with him, me and alot of other people. And which direction GW2 should be heading also comes down to personal preference. There is only one thing we know for certain. The direction it has been taking is clearly the wrong path.

KrisHQ.4719:

I have no idea why people assume that “top” players have any clue about balancing and developing a game.
I have seen pretty much all SOTG’s, Tournaments and read a lot of threads on this forum for the past year, and yes some of the “top” players have a great understanding of the game and what changes it would benefit from, but there sure as hell are others who are completely clueless.
Most of (not all) these top players are simply people with basic understanding of games in general, and they are often as selfish as any other solo-queuer, using nothing but whatever build is considered the best. Hell, even some of the “top” players started syncing when solo-q was introduced.

Listenting to the wrong people can certainly be devastating, but I fear that some of these “top” players might actually fall into that category. I’ve seen great posts from unknown people, and garbage posts from “top” players.
Just because you’re above average at playing and executing the game, that doesn’t mean you have a clue about why this game has not become a success.
And so with that said, in case you’re wondering, I’ve often been on Helseth’s side when it comes to making changes/balancing.

Surely there are people who might disagree with him, me and alot of other people. And which direction GW2 should be heading also comes down to personal preference. There is only one thing we know for certain. The direction it has been taking is clearly the wrong path.

I couldn’t agree more. MMO’s are not different from RL in that regard.
You can’t generalize players like that, you would have to listen to each individual. And it isn’t only about skills and not being selfish, it is unfortunately also about the way you communicate your message.

all i said was that it’s better to listen to the people that know everything about pvp when it comes to the actual changes because people that have no idea of whats even going on in pvp can’t really have a huge knowledge about things in pvp ..which is common knowledge i guess

Sensotix.4106:

all i said was that it’s better to listen to the people that know everything about pvp when it comes to the actual changes because people that have no idea of whats even going on in pvp can’t really have a huge knowledge about things in pvp ..which is common knowledge i guess

That is trivial.
But what some people are pointing out is (KrisHQ puts it nicely imo), that even good players can lack knowledge. And they can be biased, selfish etc., which is why that filter you put up is not entirely valid. And people who may not be high on the LB might still be reasonable and have sensible, unselfish suggestions.
In the end good players are just as human as the next one, and should be treated no different. That does include his/her experience being considered.

Here we go again with sensotix lol… But that guy is right, leave the ego at the door until you have physical proof you are what you say you are But best of luck with the video and i hope it helps the community.

proof will follow soon since i know it looks weird when i always claim to know stuff and dont really show proof
still i need to talk to others first so i get a variety of ideas from others as well

CLAM DOWN LADIES SANITY HAS ARRIVED!

The OP is correct that the top players will likely have more valid views on how the game should be balanced however he must also understand that balanced at the top tier is not necessarily balanced at all tiers. He also over estimates Anet need to listen to players, their balance team will work primarily from numbers and graphs, not people opinions, regardless of skill level. There is no need to enforce a system that filters out 90% because if the 90%’s suggestions are stupid, they will be briefly discussed, if at all, and then discarded, where as the higher end players with a deeper understandings opinions will hold more ground and be far more likely to be used.

The top 10% of ideas should be used, not top 10% of players… ANet isnt stupid, (we hope)

P.S. I dont get why so many people were hating on the OP, he makes a good point and all most people did was criticize his attitude rather than the actual point he was making. Just because you dislike someone, doesn’t make them wrong.

Well I commend you for your efforts I guess. Be sure to post your video when it comes out. Please talk mostly about the balance of the game.

The thing I want to hear most from the ‘top’ players is each classes weaknesses more then their strengths. Its obvious everyone has their own idea about which class is weaker then others but I want to know what the weaknesses are of popular classes/builds. Some builds have no distinct weakness and that is the big issue in my opinion – it leads to a few or one dominant strategy and then after that, the balance of the game is just ruined.

I hope anet looks at alot of builds/classes and ask themselves, what is a distinct weakness in this build/class? Anyway its better to try then not to try, so good luck with your mission.

Well, A-Net refuses to listen to the actual core of PvP. It repeats itself in every new balance-patch that totally misses needed fixes. If they really keep listening to these 90%, this game will never have success pvp-wise.

PS: I just read the whole 5 pages and I could swear it’s more than 90% . . . so much facepalm in this thread.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well, A-Net refuses to listen to the actual core of PvP.

More like the actual core of PvP either can’t read or are hopeless antisocials.

Sensotix.4106:

proof will follow soon since i know it looks weird when i always claim to know stuff and dont really show proof
still i need to talk to others first so i get a variety of ideas from others as well

Will you post a scan of the master’s degree you earned in Guild Wars 2 pvp?

CETheLucid.3964:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well, A-Net refuses to listen to the actual core of PvP.

More like the actual core of PvP either can’t read or are hopeless antisocials.

Nothing to do with being antisocial. That’s happening in society 24/7. The best are selected (survival of the fittest). Goes for job, where you need certain qualifications / experience. I would more likely listen to a doctor that has studied medicine, than one who didn’t. In GW1 A-Net did it and suceeded, here they don’t and fail.

talked to two more guys today its working pretty well so far!

I dont know why, but I get the feeling that if Sensotix did all the balancing for GW2, then the combat would remain the same, but with a slight buff to his favourite profession and nerf to whatever class he does not really like.
I hope the video proves me wrong.. or do I?

Allie Murdock.8152:

If you reference my first post, you will see that I have a bit in there:

“All of this doesn’t matter though, if the 4%-10% spends little to no time giving us feedback for one reason or another (inactive, don’t care, think we don’t listen even if that’s wrong, etc.).”

Most of the 10% has direct access to the developers already. Some take advantage of it, most do not. We can’t control whether or not they give us feedback, but we definitely give them ample opportunity to do so.

It’s a shame that, if those 10% have direct access to the developers, that many of those ideas basically get ignored, and ideas that the 10% have never mentioned are randomly getting put in instead.

spvp is done, this game is a joke.

Sensotix.4106:

PS: Therefore I will make a video in which I collect ideas from other players i think know enough about the game to bring things forward and also to say what I think

I too shall make a video in which I collect idaes from other players I think know enough about the game to bring things forward, but I wont say what I think, because I find that I have fairly little interest in what I have to say, as I tend to agree with myself most of the time anyway.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

CETheLucid.3964:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well, A-Net refuses to listen to the actual core of PvP.

More like the actual core of PvP either can’t read or are hopeless antisocials.

Nothing to do with being antisocial. That’s happening in society 24/7. The best are selected (survival of the fittest). Goes for job, where you need certain qualifications / experience. I would more likely listen to a doctor that has studied medicine, than one who didn’t. In GW1 A-Net did it and suceeded, here they don’t and fail.

Well if it has nothing to do with being antisocial, you have a reading problem then. A lack of understanding.

cymerdown.4103:

hooma.9642:

Oblivion.8307:

cymerdown.4103:

Honestly, the premise behind this topic is pretty offensive and ignorant. It’s fine to not like the direction of balance taken, but to say that 90% of the player base should be ignored is pretentious and also downright wrong. It’s perfectly reasonable to aim for good game balance at ALL skill levels, not just top tier. If there are specs that are oppressively strong at a low skill level (a noob can easily pick it up and crush other noobs with it), then that should be noted and addressed by the devs simply because that spec will discourage new pvpers from learning the game. A perfect example is the old 100b spec before the quickness nerf. That build was a huge problem for new players and extremely easy to play, so it was turning off lots of people from pvp, even though it wasn’t considered great in top tier play.

Everyone should give their own feedback, and then the devs can decide which suggestions are good and which are bad, keeping in mind all skill levels, not just balance at the top 1% (which is still important and has its own requirements). Also, the whole thing is kinda silly in that the gist of the thread is, “Yo devs, you need to listen more to skilled guys like me! Not going to make any suggestions here, though, but I will at some point in the future in a video. But when I do, listen! Other guys listen to me all the time, like <name bomb> because I’m really really good, I promise! Did I mention I’m good? No suggestions though.”

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CETheLucid.3964:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

CETheLucid.3964:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well, A-Net refuses to listen to the actual core of PvP.

More like the actual core of PvP either can’t read or are hopeless antisocials.

Nothing to do with being antisocial. That’s happening in society 24/7. The best are selected (survival of the fittest). Goes for job, where you need certain qualifications / experience. I would more likely listen to a doctor that has studied medicine, than one who didn’t. In GW1 A-Net did it and suceeded, here they don’t and fail.

Well if it has nothing to do with being antisocial, you have a reading problem then. A lack of understanding.

A-Net listen to everybody and not to the dedicated players, that’s what I’m saying. Nothing to do with lack of understanding, I was just not clear enough on the word “core”.

I wish we had a choice to choose a map. like before the game actually started it would bring up two different maps to choose from. If you don’t vote within a certain amount of time it recognizes you as afk. (the map vote thing is basically so we don’t have to play on skyhammer…)

This thread is insulting in about 1,000 ways. All I know is if A-net actually played this game they would know what was good feedback and you don’t have to be some kind of pro to give valid feedback on this game. A strong argument can even be made that people that run only in organized groups and win all the time have a flawed view on the game because they can beat other people just based on there cohesion it doesn’t really matter if the game is balanced most people don’t play with the same people for years straight. Keep not playing your own game a-net and listening to a handful of players its served you well so far. The whole idea of this thread has been disproven 1,000 times. Its basically your typical elite train of thought. We know better then you etc. I’m sure you will able procure us Utopia though lol. Keep balancing this game around so called pro’s and keep watching the numbers drop. I gotta to be honest and say he community rep that posts in these threads is one of the worst ive ever seen and ive seen plenty.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

CETheLucid.3964:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

CETheLucid.3964:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well, A-Net refuses to listen to the actual core of PvP.

More like the actual core of PvP either can’t read or are hopeless antisocials.

Nothing to do with being antisocial. That’s happening in society 24/7. The best are selected (survival of the fittest). Goes for job, where you need certain qualifications / experience. I would more likely listen to a doctor that has studied medicine, than one who didn’t. In GW1 A-Net did it and suceeded, here they don’t and fail.

Well if it has nothing to do with being antisocial, you have a reading problem then. A lack of understanding.

A-Net listen to everybody and not to the dedicated players, that’s what I’m saying. Nothing to do with lack of understanding, I was just not clear enough on the word “core”.

… Dude. Pay attention. lol

You apparently lied about reading all five pages. You skimmed.. maybe.

BoB.6082:

I wish we had a choice to choose a map. like before the game actually started it would bring up two different maps to choose from. If you don’t vote within a certain amount of time it recognizes you as afk. (the map vote thing is basically so we don’t have to play on skyhammer…)

this idea is absolutely awesome and i have thought about something like that will be mentioned in the video as well

Actually, there needs to be feedback from both groups. I am what you would call casual. I haven’t even really tried PvP. But I know my knowledge base. I know I could start playing PvP, get my butt handed to me, go back play with my skills and go back in a do better the next time around. I understand that part of the game. I also understand about balance. Am I going to be as good as some other players no, but I will be better then some.

I used to be hardcore into playing my various games, but as I have gotten older, had a family and such, my priorities have changed. But that doesn’t change how my mind works in games. This can be said for a lot of players. They won’t be high on the leader boards because they don’t play as much, but their knowledge can be just as valuable as the ones that have all the time in the world to play and are in that top 10%.

I totally see the OP’s thinking here, I used to think the same a number of years back. But you have to look at the big picture in this also. ANET wants PvP to be able to be accessed by anyone. It is going to be really hard to do this. If you don’t do enough to balance the top players, they will quit and find something else to challenge them. If you do to much for the top players, the PvP portion of the game will be really kitten casuals wanting to learn it. That is where the whole problem is. Any way to fix this and then we will have accomplished something.

Hjorje.9453:

… But that doesn’t change how my mind works in games. This can be said for a lot of players. ….

top players need no mind, that comes free with > 1000 games per post.

i think a monkey pressing a button 100000 times has more right for balancesuggestions regarding pressing buttons than a scholar watching the monkey pressing buttons?

Perhaps folks around here are a bit too sensitive, or maybe people are misunderstanding the intent here. The OP is basically talking about forming a small focus group of people that are competent PvP-ers to bring forth suggestions to A-net that will make the game better/more fun for everyone. What’s to be offended about?

Anyway, I think there are plenty of people outside of the top 4% of active players that know what is wrong with the PvP in this game, and I don’t think Sensotix would even dispute that. The reality is that they are easier to identify as competent (because as useless as the leaderboards are, you don’t get high on the team que board without being at least a decent player with an understanding of the basics of the game).

Guys like Xeph and Symbolic spent plenty of time advocating for positive changes to this game, and as their ilk have migrated out of the game over time I think it is a good thing to have someone willing to step up and give a voice to the player community. Hopefully this can net positive results.

i has talked with allie and they invite players across the board who give constructive feedback to chatrounds via ventrilo with other devs. they said that not all ppl even the one “who care” take the invite. so i see no positive voice to the player community via youtube.. would be nice if the person would take the invite.

Another anger management thread from Sensotrix.

Here’s your entire elitist argument debunked Sensotrix: last month in solo que I beat you, rather well I might add. You followed this up by raging at me and didn’t apologise until I told you how it made you look as a frequent poster on the forums acting like a kitten.

I too have been playing pvp since beta and launch, I spent the first 6 or so months below level 60 in pve because I didn’t play anything but pvp. However real life commitments now mean that I don’t have the same amount of glorious time to spend in pvp anymore hence my leaderboard rank falls to the wayside. Hence according to your views, might class myself into the 90% category that you’d like to see silenced.

So however you view yourself as the magical 10%, this firstly is not true in my eyes, you were very easy to beat and made numerous mistakes which should have been easy to avoid, secondly it doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to discount another’s opinion or input to the game which we are all mutually enjoying, and lastly does nothing to strengthen your own argument or views.

To tell the truth your manner of posting on the forums and your views on the game speak louder than where-ever you perceive yourself as a ranked player, and I hope to God that they specifically don’t listen to yours.

See you in solo que,

Az.

Darkdanjal.3401:

hooma.9642:

i has talked with allie and they invite players across the board who give constructive feedback to chatrounds via ventrilo with other devs. they said that not all ppl even the one “who care” take the invite. so i see no positive voice to the player community via youtube.. would be nice if the person would take the invite.

Some top players are just getting tired of giving feedback and seeing on a next patch it failed for THEM, some are just to ranting on it which is understandable as it takes so long, I actually do understand the devs for implementing stuff and then give everyone time to adjust to it but the thing is top players are almost instantly responding to it while casual players are just taking a longer time to adjust, again there needs to be a SEPERATION on balance, you need those top players to balance out things fast and to see what is wrong, you cant balance for both, that is just not possible because if you try it fails for either TOP players or CASUAL players.

And again leave balance to TOP players, leave all the rest you can have an input on on casual players, some TOP players are well known here, they spended so much time on the game, way more time then the devs itselfs.

u make me sick and your arrogant behavior. do u work for anet as network administrator or how do u know how many time the devs play?

against your tired argument.. so anet invites players top and casual to chats with devs where nobody is streaming or anything for balance talks and so and the players invited dont care to even go to the chat? hasnt u read what allie wrote?

what do u think should anet do? drive to the players home and talk to them, cause they give a kitten to talk direcly to the devs via ventrilo?

a monkey who smashes his keyboard more times than a human and cause that has a higher ranking hasnt the exclusive right to suggest balance.

hooma.9642:

Darkdanjal.3401:

hooma.9642:

i has talked with allie and they invite players across the board who give constructive feedback to chatrounds via ventrilo with other devs. they said that not all ppl even the one “who care” take the invite. so i see no positive voice to the player community via youtube.. would be nice if the person would take the invite.

Some top players are just getting tired of giving feedback and seeing on a next patch it failed for THEM, some are just to ranting on it which is understandable as it takes so long, I actually do understand the devs for implementing stuff and then give everyone time to adjust to it but the thing is top players are almost instantly responding to it while casual players are just taking a longer time to adjust, again there needs to be a SEPERATION on balance, you need those top players to balance out things fast and to see what is wrong, you cant balance for both, that is just not possible because if you try it fails for either TOP players or CASUAL players.

And again leave balance to TOP players, leave all the rest you can have an input on on casual players, some TOP players are well known here, they spended so much time on the game, way more time then the devs itselfs.

u make me sick and your arrogant behavior. do u work for anet as network administrator or how do u know how many time the devs play?

against your tired argument.. so anet invites players top and casual to chats with devs where nobody is streaming or anything for balance talks and so and the players invited dont care to even go to the chat? hasnt u read what allie wrote?

what do u think should anet do? drive to the players home and talk to them, cause they give a kitten to talk direcly to the devs via ventrilo?

a monkey who smashes his keyboard more times than a human and cause that has a higher ranking hasnt the exclusive right to suggest balance.

They could always flip on helseth’s stream and look at his rants. Buffet of information there.

Knote.2904:

hooma.9642:

Darkdanjal.3401:

hooma.9642:

i has talked with allie and they invite players across the board who give constructive feedback to chatrounds via ventrilo with other devs. they said that not all ppl even the one “who care” take the invite. so i see no positive voice to the player community via youtube.. would be nice if the person would take the invite.

Some top players are just getting tired of giving feedback and seeing on a next patch it failed for THEM, some are just to ranting on it which is understandable as it takes so long, I actually do understand the devs for implementing stuff and then give everyone time to adjust to it but the thing is top players are almost instantly responding to it while casual players are just taking a longer time to adjust, again there needs to be a SEPERATION on balance, you need those top players to balance out things fast and to see what is wrong, you cant balance for both, that is just not possible because if you try it fails for either TOP players or CASUAL players.

And again leave balance to TOP players, leave all the rest you can have an input on on casual players, some TOP players are well known here, they spended so much time on the game, way more time then the devs itselfs.

u make me sick and your arrogant behavior. do u work for anet as network administrator or how do u know how many time the devs play?

against your tired argument.. so anet invites players top and casual to chats with devs where nobody is streaming or anything for balance talks and so and the players invited dont care to even go to the chat? hasnt u read what allie wrote?

what do u think should anet do? drive to the players home and talk to them, cause they give a kitten to talk direcly to the devs via ventrilo?

a monkey who smashes his keyboard more times than a human and cause that has a higher ranking hasnt the exclusive right to suggest balance.

They could always flip on helseth’s stream and look at his rants. Buffet of information there.

Yeah… if you’ve got the patience to listen to the thing in its entirety to find the few gems hidden in 20 minutes of rambling.
How about a f’in powerpoint with 5 bullet points?

Joking aside… “Videos” as suggested in this topic have been done already, and quite well I might add.
I suppose Anet have got a long, heartwarming list of PvP suggestions that will keep them busy until year 2048 by now!

I’m not even vocal in this part of the forum and I can see myself that the devs will listen to any QQ.

Haste nerf is probably the best general example I can think of.

lol can’t tell if naive or hacked by devs.
I’m not going to say a whole lot (not a fan of creating pr nightmares like some wvw guild leaders who will not be named), but basically anet has heavily favored feedback from the top 1% since before the game even launched.
And that’s kinda what got us into this kittenstorm tbh. game balance is a lot easier when you have a public beta client. Then you can see how EVERYONE reacts to balance changes and tweak them accordingly. Rather than making the game fun for 1% of the playerbase and lame for 99%.

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i has talked with allie and they invite players across the board who give constructive feedback to chatrounds via ventrilo with other devs. they said that not all ppl even the one “who care” take the invite. so i see no positive voice to the player community via youtube.. would be nice if the person would take the invite.

Some top players are just getting tired of giving feedback and seeing on a next patch it failed for THEM, some are just to ranting on it which is understandable as it takes so long, I actually do understand the devs for implementing stuff and then give everyone time to adjust to it but the thing is top players are almost instantly responding to it while casual players are just taking a longer time to adjust, again there needs to be a SEPERATION on balance, you need those top players to balance out things fast and to see what is wrong, you cant balance for both, that is just not possible because if you try it fails for either TOP players or CASUAL players.

And again leave balance to TOP players, leave all the rest you can have an input on on casual players, some TOP players are well known here, they spended so much time on the game, way more time then the devs itselfs.

u make me sick and your arrogant behavior. do u work for anet as network administrator or how do u know how many time the devs play?

against your tired argument.. so anet invites players top and casual to chats with devs where nobody is streaming or anything for balance talks and so and the players invited dont care to even go to the chat? hasnt u read what allie wrote?

what do u think should anet do? drive to the players home and talk to them, cause they give a kitten to talk direcly to the devs via ventrilo?

a monkey who smashes his keyboard more times than a human and cause that has a higher ranking hasnt the exclusive right to suggest balance.

They could always flip on helseth’s stream and look at his rants. Buffet of information there.

Yeah… if you’ve got the patience to listen to the thing in its entirety to find the few gems hidden in 20 minutes of rambling.
How about a f’in powerpoint with 5 bullet points?

Joking aside… “Videos” as suggested in this topic have been done already, and quite well I might add.
I suppose Anet have got a long, heartwarming list of PvP suggestions that will keep them busy until year 2048 by now!

Few hidden gems in 20 minutes of rambling?

Have you even watched them? The whole thing is constructive.

If the devs can’t even bother to watch 20 minutes of an expert player who knows what they’re talking about, how do you expect these players to do the same and go out of their way to tell the devs what’s up?

It’s not the players’ job to make the game good, it’s the devs’.