According to last sotg ride the lighting will go in a 40 sec cooldown if it doesnt hit .That means using it without target as well as blinds,dodging it,blocks etc will put this on a big cd.
Imo not only 40 sec cd on the main (only one in s/d) mobility skill harms roaming ability too much on all game formats but also the “when it hits part” will be so heavily “exploited” by players at skill cap with blinding ,dodging ,porting away from rtl that in real fight situations you might as well just keep the 40 sec cd permanent.
Its not you can directly affect whether or not the skill lands since you dont have control over it nor can use any of your utilities.You cant outplay your opponent when enganging from distance and put it on short cd since he ll 99/100 dodge it/block it etc while you are a blue lighting ball waiting for the skill to end
Idk..i just think its too much though i find good that the disegnaged factor will be heavily nerfed.But wouldnt that be accomplished by making it affected by movement altering effects.
What do people honestly think about that especially with the upcoming indirect and direct nerfs with warriors/thieves boon hate,energy sigil nerf,healing signet nerf etc.
They don’t want ele roaming apparently. Just when i though they went kitten mode with the RTL change from 15 seconds they do this. It still isnt hitting eles main issue in PvP where they are too good in team fights by stacking them.
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Its a terrible fix.
They should have just moved it to focus or halved its range.
Then if they wanted to get crafty they could put it on a 5s CD if it hits and 15->20 if it misses.
Suddenly its a balanced skill with a decent skill cap.
its kitten thats all i have to say about it, our only mobility skill on a 40s CD. They are already fixing its distance from 1500 to 1200 thats allright but 40s what the kitten. I thought the focus was cantrips eles but i really dont see any smart changes being done there, the cleansing water nerfs staff more than anything else.
Scrap these changes Anet they are dumb, fix the distance on rtl like u would and move earths embrace higher in the trailine, job done. Then start looking at focus and staff skills and some of the useles traits to bring out more builds.
That means using it without target as well as blinds,dodging it,blocks etc will put this on a big cd.
Blocks will not extend the CD. It counts as a “hit.” The other two will, however, and that’s universal.
Well that doesnt help much.
If i know im gonna fight an ele who tries to egnage with me with rtl my first reaction will be dodging it.By doing that i just forced him to a fight for at least 40 sec.
Furthermore i just stripped him off from any catching up skills if hes using s/d thus making him landing his fire burst incredible hard.Then i could easily counter the next “disengage” rtl like we have ben doing for 8 months withcc and immob assuming that he is still alive…Of course 99% of eles will now be bunkers so he will probably be alive if there wasnt a big team fight :P
I really think this is a prime example of developers caving in to community complaints. People are frustrated by a single spell (that is neither unique nor op) that represents a build that IS op and call foul.
The 40s cooldown is absurd, there’s no other way to put it. This nerf misses some of the major goals they need to hit with the ele; it —
1) Doesn’t promote build diversity
2) Doesn’t nerf the bunker build
3) Reduces the much-needed survivability of burst/zerker Eles
4) Reduces ele skill cap while not addressing skill floor issues
5) Deeply harms S/D mobility, forcing more players into D/D
6) Hurts the Ele in PvE
I can continue but I’d rather not.
This was a very poor balancing choice, simple and plain. Here’s to hoping in seeking balance for the Elementalist ANet doesn’t destroy the profession altogether.
You can bring down the CD to 16/32 seconds with a trait but thats still too much especially with the 1200 range fix.
They could have made it 20/25 (traited 16/20 sec) or 20/30 (traited 16/24 sec). These two options would be alot better than 40 seconds.
And I really hope for the eles out there that it will only check if you had a target when you activated RTL for the check if 20 or 40 sec CD.
If you dodge it and it goes on 40 sec CD poor eles.
Mmh i haven’t heard of the other upcoming ele modifications but i’m surprised RTL is still targeted, it’s not really the issue with Eles to me.
Unless they decided to hinder their mobility so they have to think twice before rushing in to tank/overheal and aoe like crazy. Harder escape, more second thoughts involved, bit less forgiving gameplay.
if i would be boss of anet. i would fire the karl and jon sharp!
they are so stupid that they dont see other classes can also engage disengage like an ele ( ranger, warrior..) with shorter cd
Rangers and warriors can’t also have a good amount of healing and buffs all in one build. If I want to be a mobile warrior I HAVE to run GS/Sword, at the cost of say, getting more DPS by having an Axe/Mace secondary weapons. If I want to be a good team buffer I have to run maybe a Longbow with a banner to stack team might (this is WvW) which will cost me speed. If I want crowd control I’ll need a hammer and probably points into the defense tree, at the cost of speed and some damage. I’d imagine bunker eles will still be possible but they’ll be forced to choose what to focus on rather than having it all in one build.
Lessening their mobility will force Ele’s to choose their fights more carefully, rather than being able to rush multiple foes and then just zoom off and heal the second things look dicey.
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if i would be boss of anet. i would fire the karl and jon sharp!
they are so stupid that they dont see other classes can also engage disengage like an ele ( ranger, warrior..) with shorter cd
No, just no. Warriors can not engage and disengage and reengage anywhere close to ele.
No other class can disengage like Ele’s, specially since RoTL is not affected by cripple/chill , also Ele’s can full heal on a few seconds as when ranger’s can warrior’s cannot bleed them to dead and let the suckers run!
if i would be boss of anet. i would fire the karl and jon sharp!
they are so stupid that they dont see other classes can also engage disengage like an ele ( ranger, warrior..) with shorter cd
No, just no. Warriors can not engage and disengage and reengage anywhere close to ele.
Dude you live on the past :P
Post patch if your ele is using s/d you will have him on close range for over 40 sec while you are on swiftness with reduced chill duration no fear on serious cripple plus some boonhate and some unblockable kitten.
I wonder how top teams will adjust like tp and phantarams s/d with double arcane.
From what i see taking lightning flash is inevitable now even if you want to play it the alternative boy anf go the arcanes route…
if i would be boss of anet. i would fire the karl and jon sharp!
they are so stupid that they dont see other classes can also engage disengage like an ele ( ranger, warrior..) with shorter cd
No, just no. Warriors can not engage and disengage and reengage anywhere close to ele.
Dude you live on the past :P
Post patch if your ele is using s/d you will have him on close range for over 40 sec while you are on swiftness with reduced chill duration no fear on serious cripple plus some boonhate and some unblockable kitten.
I wonder how top teams will adjust like tp and phantarams s/d with double arcane.
From what i see taking lightning flash is inevitable now even if you want to play it the alternative boy anf go the arcanes route…
It just goes to show how incredibly spoiled Eles are when they think RtL is their only mobility skill. You have a total of 6 leaps and 1 teleport, that can all be used in the same build if you want.
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As an asura, I do this all the time.”
It just goes to show how incredibly spoiled Eles are when they think RtL is their only beloved OP mobility skill. You have a total of 6 leaps and 1 teleport, that can all be used in the same build if you want.
It just goes to show how incredibly spoiled Eles are when they think RtL is their only mobility skill. You have a total of 6 leaps and 1 teleport, that can all be used in the same build if you want.
It just goes to show you are totally ignorant about pvp..cause you obviously count conjure weapons which are useless as stated by the devs themselves today plus you dont hav access to the leaps on their normal individual cooldowns even if you wanted
Anyway ..the only reason i bother posting here again is that id like to propose a trait in air possible that would revert rtls functionality to its former state.That makes choosing mobility over defence.I dont know if devs have considered this but it would infinite times less WACK A MOLE compared to what they are planning to do when next patch goes live..
Gn
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Its the exact same if you hit a target. It can still be used to disengage mid fight. Only issue is for general roaming, still good if you at mid bo and want to get to a side point, you just wont be able to RTL out right away.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
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the idea of the nerf is good but i think the change is not the right, if they want change it to be focused as a dps because if you dont hit it takes more cd atm it punish the dps because it can be evaded or blinded and the cd is 40s then, on the other hand the bunker ele have more options to be alive untill the cd restore or just for use it as an mobility skill because he dont need it to do the combo.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
Proud player of : team [uA] – team [TGI]. Australia base, now recruiting.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
you just prove ele is a 1 trick pony class, gg.
too all the heart seeker spamming thieves out there, you have a lost partner here.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
you just prove ele is a 1 trick pony class, gg.
too all the heart seeker spamming thieves out there, you have a lost partner here.
Not again with all the false assumption out there. And let assume even Eles is one trick pony class and QQer still have the problem dealing with it. Dont tell me people still have the problem dealing with HS thief spam…Shame on you. And no, I did not imply it. My point is to survive in the heat of battle,we need to constant moving.RTL is our only decent engage and disengage battle. No,Flash is not the mobile skill..GG
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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
Proud player of : team [uA] – team [TGI]. Australia base, now recruiting.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.
I speak 3, good enough for me. Oh and I actually speak them well unlike you.
Just dont use RTL? Easy.
Also, they had to change it this way because it was definitely OP on spirit watch map. Even if they made it so you drop the orb when you use RTL, you could still pick up the first orb instantly, and later when you cap the orb you would be back at spawn in couple seconds.
Good nerf.
I’m actually surprised how people forget another potentially worst nerf for ele: boon hate. Now that thief can steal boons, and warrior have trait that pretty much counter boon stacking meta ele might have big trouble.
Think about it, endless protection, vigor and regen might be heavily countered by thief and warrior.
So far anet went small steps, but boy this patch they went full reverse in my opinion. (happy to see ele tears) xD.
Now that thief can steal boons, and warrior have trait that pretty much counter boon stacking meta ele might have big trouble.
Think about it, endless protection, vigor and regen might be heavily countered by thief and warrior.
From what I read, warriors aren’t notably better.
They can stack a few more pluses to dmg but all of their weaknesses are still entirely there.
They are terrible against conditions, kite-able, and have generally pretty bad dmg mitigation.
If warriors had a way to strip boons I would be scared.
They can be CC’ing beasts, so given a way to pull off stability they could end up as a force to be reckoned with.
When it comes to thieves… the only boon hate they got is on s/d… sword dagger isn’t popular in the slightest since cloak and dagger is just a much worse version of heartseaker/black-powder. Because of that s/d can’t benifit much from the stealth based condition removal and healing to stall/regroup… which is a massive loss…
Boon hate is nice.
Giving it to classes to make up for a large number of flaws is not nice.
It’s actually just bad design.
Now that thief can steal boons, and warrior have trait that pretty much counter boon stacking meta ele might have big trouble.
Think about it, endless protection, vigor and regen might be heavily countered by thief and warrior.
From what I read, warriors aren’t notably better.
They can stack a few more pluses to dmg but all of their weaknesses are still entirely there.
They are terrible against conditions, kite-able, and have generally pretty bad dmg mitigation.
If warriors had a way to strip boons I would be scared.
They can be CC’ing beasts, so given a way to pull off stability they could end up as a force to be reckoned with.
Yes but now in 1v1 situation vs ele, ele might even have to run away from circle. Until now you could toy with warrior on circle. But this all depend how much dmg bonus warrior get per boon.
boon hate kind of lulzy only 3% more damage per unique boon. warriors still have trouble landing their hits against semi decent players. plus it’s all the way down the discipline line.
Hope it changes the game a lil but I’m not holding my breath.
Yes but now in 1v1 situation vs ele, ele might even have to run away from circle. Until now you could toy with warrior on circle. But this all depend how much dmg bonus warrior get per boon.
Ele’s don’t tend to bunker so they aren’t forced to stay on small BO’s often enough for a little more dmg against booned up enemies to really be a gamechanger against eles.
It’s 3% more dmg per unique boon which is roughly 15~% more dmg against a decked out ele.
The buffs seemed aimed at making warriors a hardcounter to guardians.
They can attack threw ‘shelter’ to CC it out.
They deal more dmg per boon the guy has up.
Guardians can’t kite.
Guardians don’t deal condition dmg.
Warrior hammer might be a lil more common because of that, but that’s the most of it I see coming.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.
Even though he’s a bit right, I think the best thing to do is to just ignore waka.
Let me correct you Gareth,it is 2% dams, at most we have 10% dams Boost equal to all the same cllass out there, but they have it outright while we have to build up.
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
Proud player of : team [uA] – team [TGI]. Australia base, now recruiting.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.
Even though he’s a bit right, I think the best thing to do is to just ignore waka.
it is not that I can not form a complete sentence. I don’t want to form it so that I get another Fragment Notice for Insult People. But you are right.
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
Proud player of : team [uA] – team [TGI]. Australia base, now recruiting.
bleed them to dead and let the suckers run!