Guild Wars 2

I get it, S/D isn’t easy mode OP anymore and thieves jump to the next spam build since they were horribly designed to fit in this game, but please… No more kitten perma blind, its not fun to play against, it isn’t interesting its just kittening frustrating… Please? Really, please… I’m so sick of all the thief builds that pop up, just re-design the kitten class already. Thieves hate thieves because they have no defense because of all the cheesy crap they do, everyone else hates thieves because of the cheesy crap they do, just make them a normal class already. Perma/spammy anything is all thieves will be and its just time it goes somewhere else.

(Inc random thief “no.” My response: “Yes.”)

Perma…blind? Do you mean you stood in the blind field for 4 seconds? And then came on the forums to embarrass yourself as well?

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Stop standing in black powder.

You do realize you don’t actually have to stand in the field, right? And that you can strafe around the circle and still hit your target?

yep thieves have a lot of troll builds, but all of them involve a lot of stealth. if they are redesigning the class, then they need more hp, more survivability outside of stealth. they are a medium armor class after all. if manage to catch a thief outside of stealth, he dies quickly. in wvw where i use tormenting runes 1 block from my mes and the 5 stacks of torment nearly kill the glass cannon thief.
they can backstab u for 13k and lately ive seen very insane builds in wvw, but if u wanna redesign the class the traits need a lot of work and stealth has to be less the core of all thief builds. they are pretty much the only class that can go full glass in wvw. the permastealth thief can pretty much troll an entire keep and atm yes theives are the ultimate troll class.
actually as a mesmer i would love to see my class completely reworked. less ai, less depending on clones and shatters, less ai doing all the dmg for us, more aoe, more gw1-like mesmer skills. we are in a terrible spot in wvw atm and im sure that some thieves out there would love to get more builds and maybe even wvw zerg builds.

ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

Good thing I’m a shout support and don’t tend to conform to the same build everyone else plays and have an actual mind of my own. No one has fun when its Battle of the OP builds, I wouldn’t care if they nerfed FOTM warriors too, I’m sure there’s lots of bad stuff out there, I’m just expressing my one frustration with blinds.

Staying out of a pbaoe field might help.

A warrior (most broken class by far) is complaining about d/p thief (not even viable in meta)… jeez lol. Warriors should just laugh at d/p thieves. Dont stand in it or use zerker stance… idk what to say this is just one of the more pathetic posts ive seen in a while lol

ronpierce.2760:

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

Good thing I’m a shout support and don’t tend to conform to the same build everyone else plays and have an actual mind of my own. No one has fun when its Battle of the OP builds, I wouldn’t care if they nerfed FOTM warriors too, I’m sure there’s lots of bad stuff out there, I’m just expressing my one frustration with blinds.

Ok, well then why are you here complaining about blinds when you refuse to run a perfect counter to them AKA berserker stance?

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

This

trololol

this post is lol

Please no more Perma Stun…

Lots of other classes use blind. Do you want yet another buff to warriors? Warriors have plenty of ways to deal with blind … turn the table, and take the time to consider if all classes have the means to deal with everything a warrior can dish out.

For once, I have to agree with all the thieves .. have to be a first for everything, I guess.

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

This

This this

Your shortbow is there for not being forced to go into blind field, chaos storms, wells and aoe in general….and since blind is one counter to crazy op warriors it’s ok

Your bow is there for not being forced to go into blind field, chaos storms, wells and aoe in general….and since blind is one counter to crazy op warriors it’s ok, huge part of them just standing into bp while spamming and you can clearly figure the guy behind keyboard like “Why the kitten this thing is still up?” http://www.hurr-durr.com/

For OP – You know that Berserker Stance negates all blinds for at least 8 seconds, right ? Constant blinding may be a little bit annoying but it’s not really that problematic for Warrior imo. Idd, if you have no sustain and miss because of the blind it’s rather bad. But most of the Warriors now have nice sustainso with skills timed right you’ll do fine.

ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Warrior complaining about the only thing that can make fights a bit hard for them.
( warrior has no risks for the rewards he gets )

Try playing another class , then come apologize to the pvp community for your posts.

That’s all i’m gone say, cause enough folks gone bash on you for your posts already.

A warrior complaining about a thief is honestly nothing more than a l2p issue. In this current state a warrior can probably take on 2 thieves simultaneously and have a good win ratio.

It doesn’t matter what class he plays blind spam is bs. Why does everyone defend the kittenty way this game is designed. Everything should be strategic. The game should be balanced right and then classes boosted if they need it. Stop defending cheese.

if you dont want perma blind them start making more threads about perma stun.

if A-Net ever decides to revert the blind buff, blind spam will be ok.
I main a thief but I still don’t get why they decided to change how blind worked from the beginning.
Same thing can’t be said for stun spamming. There is a need of some sort of immunity to CC while you’re under the effect of CC. Something similar to the revealed debuff for Thieves.

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

@ronpierce: Hey man, don’t you realize? You can’t QQ if you’re a:

Warrior / Guardian / Necro / Mesmer / Thief / Ranger / Engineer

Otherwise you’ll just get flamed to death with “Ohhh man your life is so hard being so OP/Broken/Balanced/Easymode. Go play a real class.”

ronpierce.2760:

I get it, S/D isn’t easy mode OP anymore and thieves jump to the next spam build since they were horribly designed to fit in this game, but please… No more kitten perma blind, its not fun to play against, it isn’t interesting its just kittening frustrating… Please? Really, please… I’m so sick of all the thief builds that pop up, just re-design the kitten class already. Thieves hate thieves because they have no defense because of all the cheesy crap they do, everyone else hates thieves because of the cheesy crap they do, just make them a normal class already. Perma/spammy anything is all thieves will be and its just time it goes somewhere else.

(Inc random thief “no.” My response: “Yes.”)

Seriously, you make yourself look really silly here. The only people who get permablinded are those who do not know how to play. Anyone else doesn’t stand in the circles.

In case you are new, here is a tip…. you can hit the enemy with most of your skills while standing outside the circle.

ronpierce.2760:

Good thing I’m a shout support and don’t tend to conform to the same build everyone else plays and have an actual mind of my own. No one has fun when its Battle of the OP builds, I wouldn’t care if they nerfed FOTM warriors too, I’m sure there’s lots of bad stuff out there, I’m just expressing my one frustration with blinds.

It is admirable, that you try something else than the fotm. It doesn’t change, that peoples patience when it comes to warrior-tears is somewhat lacking … and for a reason.
Your class does have the tools to deal with it, whether you want to take it or not is your choice. It is quite natural to have counters; rather than being frustrated about it, you should perhaps enjoy that such things exist. It would most likely be worse if there weren’t any counters.

Personally, I find warrior-traits/skills to provide way too much synergy. I am not sure, if I want that for my class, since I am not a fan of even more power-creep.

Other than that, I can of course understand and relate to your frustration

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

which warrior speccs for healing? just tried it in spvp (where it matters) and got ~400+~150 from adrenal health.
perma blind of course is unrealistic but at one point i fought a r38 d/p thief and outside of zerk stance i was literally blinded for 90% of the time. yep, that’s bs.

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Crovax.7854:

infantrydiv.1620:

ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

which warrior speccs for healing? just tried it in spvp (where it matters) and got ~400+~150 from adrenal health.
perma blind of course is unrealistic but at one point i fought a r38 d/p thief and outside of zerk stance i was literally blinded for 90% of the time. yep, that’s bs.

so because you cant stun lock someone its OP……
Blind and stability are the only counters to the noob stun lock warriors.

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

which warrior speccs for healing? just tried it in spvp (where it matters) and got ~400+~150 from adrenal health.
perma blind of course is unrealistic but at one point i fought a r38 d/p thief and outside of zerk stance i was literally blinded for 90% of the time. yep, that’s bs.

You do realize for them them to blind you, they MUST hit you unless you stay in a black powder right? Learn to dodge/block and don’t facetank everything just because your toughness and healing signet allows you to?

There are no weapon skills that just go “hey warrior, get blind” if you don’t get hit by it.

Well, to be honest it isn’t a good idea.

Yes, D/P has a really good access to blind, but that is part of the defensive mechanic of that set. Despite other weapon sets, D/P hasn’t the evasion of S/P or S/D, neither the mobility of S/x or the cheap stealth access of x/D.

Take blindness away from that set and you pretty much kill it.

Also, keep in mind that blindness is effective only against low hitrate builds. Running something with higher hitrate will increase the chances of hits to land.

Brando.1374:

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

which warrior speccs for healing? just tried it in spvp (where it matters) and got ~400+~150 from adrenal health.
perma blind of course is unrealistic but at one point i fought a r38 d/p thief and outside of zerk stance i was literally blinded for 90% of the time. yep, that’s bs.

so because you cant stun lock someone its OP……
Blind and stability are the only counters to the noob stun lock warriors.

typical kitten thief response. i play d/p from time to time and it is really easy to kill warriors with it (aside from s/s-lb) i’d consider it the direct counter.

You do realize for them them to blind you, they MUST hit you unless you stay in a black powder right? Learn to dodge/block and don’t facetank everything just because your toughness and healing signet allows you to?

There are no weapon skills that just go “hey warrior, get blind” if you don’t get hit by it.

Please get your facts straight before calling somebody out on not knowing the class.
Thief skills are all much faster than warrior allowing to dive into melee range and attack+blind before the opponent can do anything about it. CCs are clearly telegraphed so prematurely starting to cast backbreaker or staggering blow won’t help as the thief simply can stay out of range. Aside from that he made good use of his d/p#3 skill which doesn’t require you to go into melee range.

Have you ever heard of blind field + war steal? i use it quite a lot myself and oh boy that shuts them down pretty good. Don’t you worry i know the warrior and the thief quite well.

I don’t know what game you are playing but in my version of gw2 the warrior only has two dodges with quite a long recharge and an optional shield block. Shadow shot is spammable and unblockable so good luck avoiding all of those especially with a tiny and very fast animation.

sorrow.2364:

Well, to be honest it isn’t a good idea.

Yes, D/P has a really good access to blind, but that is part of the defensive mechanic of that set. Despite other weapon sets, D/P hasn’t the evasion of S/P or S/D, neither the mobility of S/x or the cheap stealth access of x/D.

Take blindness away from that set and you pretty much kill it.

Also, keep in mind that blindness is effective only against low hitrate builds. Running something with higher hitrate will increase the chances of hits to land.

+1 from me, not neccessarily because I agree but rather because that’s how a well thought out response should look like. If anything this thread has shown me again how childish and hostile the thief community is.

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

which warrior speccs for healing? just tried it in spvp (where it matters) and got ~400+~150 from adrenal health.
perma blind of course is unrealistic but at one point i fought a r38 d/p thief and outside of zerk stance i was literally blinded for 90% of the time. yep, that’s bs.

and in that 10% of time you just need to land 1 stun to lock him down to death while he has to keep outplaying you just in order to survive…and THIS is bs. If you stand in bp and you are not able to dodge pistol shots you are just bad and you should not have chance to survive..but war is so op that you actually can still pop zerk stance and hammer him down while having no clue on how to fight another spec. So please stop embarassing yourself…and don’t say it’s something impossible cause many wars out here eat d\p thieves for breakefeast..and just for you to know bp is not spammable due to his really high initiative cost

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ronpierce.2760:

I’m a warrior, Whirl is a mother effer. Didn’t have to stand in it.

Yeah…times are tough for warrior right now… with things like berserker’s stance and perma stun and 1k health per second regen

eye roll

hyperbole doesn’t help. Maybe the stance was on cd? Maybe he doesn’t play hammer? And if anythign the signet does not heal for 1k/sec.

Wanna know what’s hyperbole? Perma blind

Signet+ Adrenal health = 800 HP on a warrior not speced for healing. Throw in regen and you have 1K per second.

which warrior speccs for healing? just tried it in spvp (where it matters) and got ~400+~150 from adrenal health.
perma blind of course is unrealistic but at one point i fought a r38 d/p thief and outside of zerk stance i was literally blinded for 90% of the time. yep, that’s bs.

and in that 10% of time you just need to land 1 stun to lock him down to death while he has to keep outplaying you just in order to survive…and THIS is bs. If you stand in bp and you are not able to dodge pistol shots you are just bad and you should not have chance to survive..but war is so op that you actually can still pop zerk stance and hammer him down while having no clue on how to fight another spec. So please stop embarassing yourself…and don’t say it’s something impossible cause many wars out here eat d\p thieves for breakefeast..and just for you to know bp is not spammable due to his really high initiative cost

Wow that whole post was just stupid. I might give you a serious answer when you stop being biased and spreading lies.

lol, you know what…

I would be happy to duel you on my warrior when you play a thief to solve all of these problems…let’s see how long you could “perma-blind” me for before I kill you.

It is just silly that a warrior would complain about a thief when in this meta, a thief is pretty much bottom feed compared to the S-tier that is warriors.

Do you see a lot of thief players in tpvp? How is the ratio compared to warriors?

A warrior doesn’t even get to QQ. Close this thread.

Thief here.

Instead of ragging on your idea to make thieves a “normal” class, I’ll just say you might want to try evolving your build to counter it instead of adjusting a class to your lack of playing ability. Not sure why I’m even wasting my time in this topic.

Amaterasu.6280:

lol, you know what…

I would be happy to duel you on my warrior when you play a thief to solve all of these problems…let’s see how long you could “perma-blind” me for before I kill you.

It is just silly that a warrior would complain about a thief when in this meta, a thief is pretty much bottom feed compared to the S-tier that is warriors.

Do you see a lot of thief players in tpvp? How is the ratio compared to warriors?

good mate.

Amaterasu.6280:

This sums up pretty much every inexperienced player’s thoughts on warriors.

If you or anyone think that warriors get very far just spamming stuns, then you are playing at a very low tier level…thats all I gotta say.

Sheesh, hostile. People kitten the game has no diversity of builds, someone tries to play diversely (Support warrior, and by the way the build is wonderful, only blind spam causes me annoyances and its just because the whole idea behind it is boring as hell, its not interesting, I can clearly see everything I do is about to miss, its just I attack too slow for it to matter.) but anyways; kitten there’s no diversity, someone tries to play something else then tell them they’re an idiot for not playing the one OP build that’s breaking the meta. Good plan guys.

I never said zerker stunlock warriors didn’t need toned down, but this wasn’t about that. Make your own thread about how something else annoys you (which im sure you already did, and you got told you were stupid because there’s another FOTM build that can crush that build too.) Doesn’t make blind spamming any more fun just because a certain build is OP. Its still just as boring to fight.

ronpierce.2760:

I never said zerker stunlock warriors didn’t need toned down, but this wasn’t about that. Make your own thread about how something else annoys you (which im sure you already did, and you got told you were stupid because there’s another FOTM build that can crush that build too.) Doesn’t make blind spamming any more fun just because a certain build is OP. Its still just as boring to fight.

D/p thief doesn’t spam blinds. You are spamming blinds on yourself by standing in the field. Learn the difference.

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ronpierce.2760:

I never said zerker stunlock warriors didn’t need toned down, but this wasn’t about that. Make your own thread about how something else annoys you (which im sure you already did, and you got told you were stupid because there’s another FOTM build that can crush that build too.) Doesn’t make blind spamming any more fun just because a certain build is OP. Its still just as boring to fight.

D/p thief doesn’t spam blinds. You are spamming blinds on yourself by standing in the field. Learn the difference.

not when you’re a warrior and they’re using steal whirl combo (and maybe their elite too?)

ronpierce.2760:

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ronpierce.2760:

I never said zerker stunlock warriors didn’t need toned down, but this wasn’t about that. Make your own thread about how something else annoys you (which im sure you already did, and you got told you were stupid because there’s another FOTM build that can crush that build too.) Doesn’t make blind spamming any more fun just because a certain build is OP. Its still just as boring to fight.

D/p thief doesn’t spam blinds. You are spamming blinds on yourself by standing in the field. Learn the difference.

not when you’re a warrior and they’re using steal whirl combo (and maybe their elite too?)

So you stood in a stolen axe skill and a blind field AT THE SAME TIME? Impressive.

Imagine if Black Powder didn’t have a blind field … and instead just did an aoe blind & stealthed the thief, that way they couldn’t heart seeker spam and utilize perma stealth? The big drawback I see to this is of course … more readily available stealth … but no blind field left behind is what I’m thinking, which leads to no actual perma stealth as they’d eventually run out of initiative after what, 3 black powders at best? The only other downside is it would make Cloak and Dagger skill useless … OH WAIT … it already does pale in comparison … kitten . XD

Oh but … I guess having a single use skill that nullifies all but three classes down state survival skill is okay as well as many other uses that make it incredibly strong and can in fact shut down some classes with what feels close to a hard counter … and instead of taking care of frustrating annoying BS that Arenanet claims they wouldn’t have in their game (yet it’s in the game anyway, that being permanent stealth, not just short duration like they claimed x amount of time ago in the beginning of this trash for PvP game they have here) …

Instead they work … revealing mechanics into a different class. Which all I can see out of that is going to continue to pigeonhole thieves into 100% glass cannon builds, and encourage more away from their sustain builds which relies ENTIRELY on stealth for sustain.

And that Pistol slot 2 skill “rework” rofl. Cut the already useless stacks of vulnerability in half thanks to a duration that is too short to really make use of, increase initiative cost by 1, and then compensate for it with 1 second immobilize. Quite honestly … that seems more like a nerf than a rework.

What is the point of that when you can just use infiltrator strike for the same effect with greater damage, that also has an escape mechanic built into it and removes one condition on top of all of that?

Does Arenanet even try? Lawl … maybe they do … but it seems like this is the only MMO that only employs idiots, save for artistis, musicians, etc. They, being the artists, actually did their job well. Can’t say much for the rest of the dev team though. XD

The only entertainment I get out of this game anymore are the forums. The PvP is … just … stupid.

This thread has been kind of fun to read. I’d give back some blinds for the burst I lost over the months. OP don’t worry too much, everyone who is good had to practice and go through being bad to get where they are now.

Cheers!

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ronpierce.2760:

I never said zerker stunlock warriors didn’t need toned down, but this wasn’t about that. Make your own thread about how something else annoys you (which im sure you already did, and you got told you were stupid because there’s another FOTM build that can crush that build too.) Doesn’t make blind spamming any more fun just because a certain build is OP. Its still just as boring to fight.

D/p thief doesn’t spam blinds. You are spamming blinds on yourself by standing in the field. Learn the difference.

not when you’re a warrior and they’re using steal whirl combo (and maybe their elite too?)

So you stood in a stolen axe skill and a blind field AT THE SAME TIME? Impressive.

Are you really that stupid? You realize how conquest works right? You don’t want to lose a cap you suck it up and deal with it, for one thing, the other thing is I was getting blinded from whirl-combos not in the smoke field. Being blinded faster than I can attack, put 2 and 2 together you might be able to realize not everything in the game is a “l2p” issue and some things are just not fun to deal with.

D/P blind spam is ridiculous. Browsing over this thread, I have to wonder how many of these people have actually played against decent thieves, and how many are just saying what they think happens at higher levels of play.