Guild Wars 2

Should this boon be removed? It’s one of the strongest, if not the strongest boon in the game. To completely cut a players damage by 33% is insane. Add that to the fact almost every class can access it means those who cannot access Protection, Thief, puts them at a huge disadvantage.

On a side note, a good way to buff Thief:
S/D skill 3: “Boons you steal are applied to you”
Bountiful Theft: “Steal 3 boons, allies within 600 range will be granted the boons. If no players are in range, you receive the boons.”

Thoughts?

Shovel Face.4512:

Should this boon be removed? It’s one of the strongest, if not the strongest boon in the game. To completely cut a players damage by 33% is insane. Add that to the fact almost every class can access it means those who cannot access Protection, Thief, puts them at a huge disadvantage.

On a side note, a good way to buff Thief:
S/D skill 3: “Boons you steal are applied to you”
Bountiful Theft: “Steal 3 boons, allies within 600 range will be granted the boons. If no players are in range, you receive the boons.”

Thoughts?

The boon is fine.

The problem is Other classes have so much access to it that they can spam it like farting

StickerHappy.8052:

Shovel Face.4512:

Should this boon be removed? It’s one of the strongest, if not the strongest boon in the game. To completely cut a players damage by 33% is insane. Add that to the fact almost every class can access it means those who cannot access Protection, Thief, puts them at a huge disadvantage.

On a side note, a good way to buff Thief:
S/D skill 3: “Boons you steal are applied to you”
Bountiful Theft: “Steal 3 boons, allies within 600 range will be granted the boons. If no players are in range, you receive the boons.”

Thoughts?

The boon is fine.

The problem is Other classes have so much access to it that they can spam it like farting

I think there is way too much of this boon but some classes need it to reduce their squishyness…protection is the biggest problem with warrior and thief atm

protection is fine

perma protection is NOT fine

perma protection granting 40% damage reduction being spammed is DEFINITELY not fine.

Darknicrofia.2604:

protection is fine

perma protection is NOT fine

perma protection granting 40% damage reduction being spammed is DEFINITELY not fine.

Its not even the perma protection but when they stack it with other damsge reductions so people are hitting for 17 damage in full zerkers

I still have a screen shot of hitting a tempest for a critical hit of 8 dmg using vualt as marurder amulet and 4 dmg using steal.

Darknicrofia.2604:

protection is fine

perma protection is NOT fine

perma protection granting 40% damage reduction being spammed is DEFINITELY not fine.

How are Eles able to maintain perma protection? I read through their traits and they only give 3s of it but when I fight one, they ALWAYS have it. It’s ridiculous when you’re backstabs crit for 850 dmg……850

Fat Disgrace.4275:

I still have a screen shot of hitting a tempest for a critical hit of 8 dmg using vualt as marurder amulet and 4 dmg using steal.

ROFL

This is why I will never consider GW2 PvP as a competitive scene. Just too much of the game playing for you.

Shovel Face.4512:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

I still have a screen shot of hitting a tempest for a critical hit of 8 dmg using vualt as marurder amulet and 4 dmg using steal.

ROFL

This is why I will never consider GW2 PvP as a competitive scene. Just too much of the game playing for you.

Exactly…i have seen ss of eviscerate hitting for 17 damage…its one of warrior’s (a burst class) hardest hitting skills

remember? before juni patch the amount of vigor on meta classes (abusing energy sigil) was a problem. instead of fixing the traits and skills that made this happen ANet decided to gut the whole boon as an easy “sollution”.
After this patch i honestly dont tink that boonspam, skillpsam, mass instants, mass autopoc that leeked into the game gonna be ever touched. It is utter clear that these are destroying the game experience but it seems that there is no intrest in actually making the product enjoyable. Marketing→Hype→Sell→GG mentality I’m beyond sad.

Shovel Face.4512:

Darknicrofia.2604:

protection is fine

perma protection is NOT fine

perma protection granting 40% damage reduction being spammed is DEFINITELY not fine.

How are Eles able to maintain perma protection? I read through their traits and they only give 3s of it but when I fight one, they ALWAYS have it. It’s ridiculous when you’re backstabs crit for 850 dmg……850

That sounds more like backstabbing a stone heart ele in earth with protection up.

Running the math with the ele in clerics, you in marauder your base damage on a backstab (2255*2.4*952.5/3124) gives a non crit of 1650 and with protection that would be 3/5 of that value at 990.

Put simply there’s no way you could crit for 850 on a backstab unless you were running no power at all.

To those that might use that low non crit damage as some kind of indicator that thief back stab is too low, that is on a toughness amulet, you would do considerably more on anything with base toughness.

On topic though, I think they just need to reduce the amount of protection being thrown around, especially AoE protection.

MadVisions.4529:

boonspam, skillspam, mass instants, mass autoproc

Great summary. People start to forget that counting dodges or fakecasting ever was a thing. You can just spam all your CDs because by the time you missed all of them you can use them again. A-net is going over the top with CD decreases and the number of skills available to classes as well as the aforementioned things.

Boon spam has been a gameplay safe-haven for a long time now so its no wonder people abuse it. Nearly everything else except aoe-spam has been pumped full of counters (from direct damage to condi damage to projectiles). I wonder if the Thief changes will make a difference.

MadVisions.4529:

It is utter clear that these are destroying the game experience but it seems that there is no intrest in actually making the product enjoyable. Marketing->Hype->Sell->GG mentality I’m beyond sad.

Exactly, they ruin their game for even those who bought the expac just to sell the game to more free-to-play players. Anet greatly disappointed me. Even half a year after the expansion has launched and they’ve sold the majority of copies they keep up this greedy attitude. For a bit after expac launch, making elite specs powercreepy is even somewhat understandable but keeping them so forever?!

roamzero.9486:

Boon spam has been a gameplay safe-haven for a long time now so its no wonder people abuse it. Nearly everything else except aoe-spam has been pumped full of counters (from direct damage to condi damage to projectiles). I wonder if the Thief changes will make a difference.

The Thief changes were a nerf, Larcenous Strike received a nerf when they increased the Initiative Cost, so it’s 6 total now when it was 5 before when it originally ripped 2 boons before Aug 2014.

Making S/D the most initiative Heavy weapon set with 21 total initiative Cost with only an Initiative pool of 12 or 15 traited. If they would balance ini costs around a 12 Ini pool then Thieves would be able to actually help with the prevalent Boon spam.