Guild Wars 2

gousgou.5438:

Mrbig.8019:

Writetyper.1985:

I think I missed the memo where rank means absolutely anything at all?

armors, weapons,finishers.

All based on ranks.

Rank is the only thing a PvPer can get to make his character to not look like an idiot PvE scrub.

And guess what ?

This is a “cosmetic only” game.

Draw your conclusions.

I am sorry but I started playing GW2 about two months ago.

When you happen to see my low rank you consider me to be an idiot PvE scrub"? What kind of logic and behavior is this?

Good point, that’s quite funny in a sad way, but I’m more concerned when 3 rank thirties all rush to stand on home base in solo tourneys, or someone says “I thought solo tourney meant 1vs1”-and are serious.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Just made r30..
Went to this xp farm skyhammer map.
got 1k xp per game of what.. 5 minutes..without tagging.. Oo

logged off angry at all the time grinding for my rank..

WAT?!?!?!

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

The problem is, all these slow fixes just either slow them or make them find a new method. They will just find a way to end a match faster, probably suicide jumps after reaching the cap.

The only solution is to remove glorygain from hotjoin.

People could still test builds and “have fun” – but since hotjoin only teaches wrong things to newcomers (like never defend a capture point, spam Aoe and move on, stay with zerg and so on), it shouldn’t give glory. I know it would only take 2 mins to make this change :P

This would also improve the arena population + people could only get ranks if they deserve it.

Gandarel.5091:

The problem is, all these slow fixes just either slow them or make them find a new method. They will just find a way to end a match faster, probably suicide jumps after reaching the cap.

The only solution is to remove glorygain from hotjoin.

People could still test builds and “have fun” – but since hotjoin only teaches wrong things to newcomers (like never defend a capture point, spam Aoe and move on, stay with zerg and so on), it shouldn’t give glory. I know it would only take 2 mins to make this change :P

This would also improve the arena population + people could only get ranks if they deserve it.

The thing is some of us don’t enjoy conquest all that much and hate modifying our builds for conquest, so we play hot join the majority of the time because it feels more like a death match.

I would make that the fixed amount would be 100 glory for losing and 150 glory for winning the match, (150 glory for losing in tpvp, 300 glory for winning in tpvp), you are only eligible for the rewards after you have completed 5 tasks in the game to avoid farming.

Custom Arenas would award glory but not rank points.

Also, those who farmed more than 50k rank points should be ripped from all the rank points they gained via custom arenas.

Phantom Master.9582:

Gandarel.5091:

The problem is, all these slow fixes just either slow them or make them find a new method. They will just find a way to end a match faster, probably suicide jumps after reaching the cap.

The only solution is to remove glorygain from hotjoin.

People could still test builds and “have fun” – but since hotjoin only teaches wrong things to newcomers (like never defend a capture point, spam Aoe and move on, stay with zerg and so on), it shouldn’t give glory. I know it would only take 2 mins to make this change :P

This would also improve the arena population + people could only get ranks if they deserve it.

The thing is some of us don’t enjoy conquest all that much and hate modifying our builds for conquest, so we play hot join the majority of the time because it feels more like a death match.

I would make that the fixed amount would be 100 glory for losing and 150 glory for winning the match, (150 glory for losing in tpvp, 300 glory for winning in tpvp), you are only eligible for the rewards after you have completed 5 tasks in the game to avoid farming.

Custom Arenas would award glory but not rank points.

Something like this would actually be a great idea. Give 100 points for winning hotjoin and 50 for losing. Or so. And no rank points for capping/killing/anything.

Deathmatch will be added soon i think btw.

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

I will treat that as first step to remove hot join. Why ? Because you (devs) defended hot joins saying, that casuals can jump in and out of the match when they want. Now they won’t gain anything if they jump out of the match so the whole concept just collapsed.

Adris.1859:

I will treat that as first step to remove hot join. Why ? Because you (devs) defended hot joins saying, that casuals can jump in and out of the match when they want. Now they won’t gain anything if they jump out of the match so the whole concept just collapsed.

Why would you even dare to defend farming, just get out of here…
Disgusting farmers are the reason this thread started.

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

Thanks for the report? Is this something new? You guys were told about this prior to the implementation of CAs. You said then it wouldn’t be an issue and that you would have measures in place to safe guard against this behavior. One would think that a company with your stellar reputation would mean what they said…

Phantom Master.9582:

Adris.1859:

I will treat that as first step to remove hot join. Why ? Because you (devs) defended hot joins saying, that casuals can jump in and out of the match when they want. Now they won’t gain anything if they jump out of the match so the whole concept just collapsed.

Why would you even dare to defend farming, just get out of here…
Disgusting farmers are the reason this thread started.

Where am I defending farm ? Enlighten me please. Im just pointing out kitten poor fixes. If I were to decide I would remove Skyhammer from Custom Arenas 2 months ago and then work on proper fix.

Adris.1859:

Phantom Master.9582:

Adris.1859:

I will treat that as first step to remove hot join. Why ? Because you (devs) defended hot joins saying, that casuals can jump in and out of the match when they want. Now they won’t gain anything if they jump out of the match so the whole concept just collapsed.

Why would you even dare to defend farming, just get out of here…
Disgusting farmers are the reason this thread started.

Where am I defending farm ? Enlighten me please. Im just pointing out kitten poor fixes. If I were to decide I would remove Skyhammer from Custom Arenas 2 months ago and then work on proper fix.

Then they would jump off from khylo clocktower or find other ways. Until there is a good environment for farming, there will be farmers.

Remove ranks and tie rewards to actually accomplishing something instead of just playing a lot.

Benjamin.7893:

Remove ranks and tie rewards to actually accomplishing something instead of just playing a lot.

This idea is too complex for them to understand

Problem is that sPvP rewards are too good. sPvP bags are like best reward in whole game.

Junkpile.7439:

Problem is that sPvP rewards are too good. sPvP bags are like best reward in whole game.

Ya know what is sad ?

What you said is true, but only for A PVE PLAYER.

PvP players give no kittens about bags, they care about armors/weapons skin, unique rewards for your skill, titles, finishers, and most of all COMPETITION.

None of these are in the game, and basically the few things you can get can be achieved faster by simply glory farming in Hotjoins.

Welcome to GW2.

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

Glory only to the winning team, if you care AT LEAST a bit about the game.

Show us.

It’s about time, the game is dying and it’s starting to be a “no turning back”.

DO WHAT IS NEEDED.

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

This would hardly fix anything, if I am correct, you could just lower the time limit on your CA, and get max glory and keep farming that way. If this is going to get fixed there needs to be some barring rule against it, or just let people have their way.

For example: If you have this rule of “Glory rewarded after the match”, then match the score limit with the time limit, it takes about 1 or 2 minutes in Skyhammer to max glory, so if they just lower the time limit match the score limit to about 50 or whatever seems equal so the amount of kills they are getting they cannot max glory every time.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

For example: If you have this rule of “Glory rewarded after the match”, then match the score limit with the time limit, it takes about 1 or 2 minutes in Skyhammer to max glory, so if they just lower the time limit match the score limit to about 50 or whatever seems equal so the amount of kills they are getting they cannot max glory every time.

It seems like a really good idea.

Could it work this way?
Timer set to 1 min => max 10
Timer set to 5 min => max 50
Timer set to 10 min => max 100
Timer set to 15 min => max 150

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

Finally someone at A-Net calls an exploit an exploit instead of a behavior.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Like I said, we’re looking into other options to prevent the exploiting.

Thanks, just hope you can keep it so hotjoin can still give you some glory progress. =D

Flamfloz.6732:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

For example: If you have this rule of “Glory rewarded after the match”, then match the score limit with the time limit, it takes about 1 or 2 minutes in Skyhammer to max glory, so if they just lower the time limit match the score limit to about 50 or whatever seems equal so the amount of kills they are getting they cannot max glory every time.

It seems like a really good idea.

Could it work this way?
Timer set to 1 min => max 10
Timer set to 5 min => max 50
Timer set to 10 min => max 100
Timer set to 15 min => max 150

max 100 on a real match would be pretty low…

Allie Murdock.8152:

Like I said, we’re looking into other options to prevent the exploiting.

And like we said, with preventing you are quite late. Now we are all talking about compensations / punishments.

Hotjoin was a great innovation in GW2; it is a very good stepping stone for learning the ins and outs of spvp, and later becomes the ideal place to test builds, practice while waiting for a tourney, and generally just have fun.

Some people in this thread have said farming exploits will always happen, people will find another way blah, blah, blah. However, this issue only developed after skyhammer and custom servers. As usual the extremists on the forum now want to chuck the baby out with the bathwater.

Rednik.3809:

Yes, ban PvE-rs for farming sPvP ranks, because ranks are so big deal skilled hotjoin heroes, yo, so big, it hurts. And remove 8×8 modes. And remove hotjoin. And make dailies only for tPvP. And rewars only for top 500 in leaderboards. And glory only for wins, in tPvP ofc.
All those progressive measures, asked by hardcore forum whiners PvP professionals, certainly will attract new people to sPvP, this is exactly what we need right now. Do it, Anet! Do it!

Yes please…and then we will have gw1 back…finally..

Here is what is going to happen with the pvp rewards overhaul:

• Rank is an unrecoverable mess, but they can’t remove it and risk kitten ing everyone off.
• However, something must be done, so they will introduce additional ways/titles/ranks/whatever of displaying some measure of prestige. Will likely involve tournaments. Would be nice to involve some kind of tiered automated tournaments gw1 (but it won’t happen because they have 1 programmer).
• Unlikely to involve leaderboard.
• Glory will become less about prestige and measure of player experience, and more about personal rewards and a “feel good” way to reward even the baddies to keep them playing. Glory gain will be normalized across the glory levels.
• Hotjoin will not be removed. Custom arenas will not be removed. (though personally I would like to see them removed.)

At least, this is what should happen, but I’ll save my vitriolic comments until after I’ve seen what they do.

Leaderboard rank means nothing. PvP rank means nothing. It’s really sad to be a GW2 PvP player right now.

Why not just remove the xp you get from using the skyhammer…?

I already feel like gaining rank is quite a struggle. I only play hot join though, because I am afraid of tourneys and custom arenas, because I suck, I don’t know what I should do, whether it’s ok to join and I don’t have the time to research it. I want to get better but I don’t have much time to devote to studying builds, practice rolling, practice skill rotations etc.

I feel like the system works just fine now, I am progressing slowly, but as a casual player I’d expect no more.

If there is a problem where players are misusing a mechanic, remove the mechanic that can be misused. In this instance it seems to be xp gained from using the skyhammer, so why not just remove it, lower the cast time and remove xp. That way it can be used for what it was intended for in tourneys. In hot join it will likely not be used anymore just like the trebuchets in khylo.

Please do not award xp only at the end of matches or start capping hotjoin, this will ruin the experience for many casual players. I’d like to still exit a mismatched match or exit if a need to and still earn the rank points and glory I earned myself before I exited. If you force everyone to play a full game to keep the little glory we made then you risk alienating many of us.

sPvP like WvW were supposed to be inclusive, and not focused on only the core players. This seems to go well for WvW, but in sPvP core players are complaining. sPvP is rightfully not a system easily balanced for both core and casuals. Catering for more casuals will often mean core players can more easily farm rewards. Diminishing returns is something that can counter such problems. Another is to remove the mechanic if it isn’t vital to the game. E.g. removing CoF is not viable, but using diminishing returns would be.

Off-topic, but: You have an economist on-board. I’m curious who exactly are doing the game metrics and systems, but if it’s not the economist, why not include him. The ones that are best at designing game systems are not computer science engineers, big data engineers, or mathematicians. It is actuaries, and risk/portfolio managers, who are. I know that usually the ones who design the metrics and systems in these games are either computer science engineers or mathematicians, or completely unrelated degree holders. But getting someone who has experience with option pricing, risk management, and financial rocket science has great merits to developing the game system, just sayin’.

Gandarel.5091:

The problem is, all these slow fixes just either slow them or make them find a new method. They will just find a way to end a match faster, probably suicide jumps after reaching the cap.

The only solution is to remove glorygain from hotjoin.

People could still test builds and “have fun” – but since hotjoin only teaches wrong things to newcomers (like never defend a capture point, spam Aoe and move on, stay with zerg and so on), it shouldn’t give glory. I know it would only take 2 mins to make this change :P

This would also improve the arena population + people could only get ranks if they deserve it.

Such a “great” idea. Have fun with another 2-3 times sPvP population decline, lol, looks like you deserve it.

It’s a little to late for that Anet. Damage is done those of us who DID it legitimately are really F n kitten ed at you right now. REALLY REALLY kitten es me off you guys take this long to fix pvp but if it was pve it would be fixed next freakin day.

TheZeus.8617:

It’s a little to late for that Anet. Damage is done those of us who DID it legitimately are really F n kitten ed at you right now. REALLY REALLY kitten es me off you guys take this long to fix pvp but if it was pve it would be fixed next freakin day.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. The ONLY thing we have right now to show off our pvp accomplishments are our rank finishers, and now people are cheesing them with no repercussions, which is a giant slap in the face to me and everyone else who fought for it legitimately. Makes me feel like I’ve wasted all this time playing.

if u dont punish those people that farmed glory , u will say to pvp comunity :
" exploit in everything till we fix it ,couse in GW2 there is no punishment "
u should remove every glory they got from exploit

Allie Murdock.8152:

Like I said, we’re looking into other options to prevent the exploiting.

Dear Allie,

please think about retroactive deleting all rank points obtained in Skyhammer since its launch. I don’t know if it’s possible and if you have any logs of who obtained how much glory when/where. But if it is possible, please consider it.

Thank you for your time.

James Megawatt.9021:

Dear Allie,

please think about retroactive deleting all rank points obtained in Skyhammer since its launch. I don’t know if it’s possible and if you have any logs of who obtained how much glory when/where. But if it is possible, please consider it.

Thank you for your time.

My rank is not farmed, and Skyhammer is one of my favorite maps in hotjoin, with ton of games played here. Soo… how about no?

Junkpile.7439:

Problem is that sPvP rewards are too good. sPvP bags are like best reward in whole game.

Vouch, they really need toned down.

Rednik.3809:

My rank is not farmed, and Skyhammer is one of my favorite maps in hotjoin, with ton of games played here. Soo… how about no?

Fair enough, then remove rank points obtained in Skyhammer in any custom arena. And I also like Skyhammer, and I would also lose a lot of rank points, but I wouldn’t mind it.

I don’t think it’s fair that some people knew about rank farming months ago and have got 20 levels out of it, then I find out about it this week and it is getting nerfed. How about take away the ranks people illegitimately farmed? Why can’t they do that? That seems like the logical solution. Having got to 38 the hard way and the fact that I actually seek out the gear skins, it is NOT FAIR AT ALL that people have such a leg up. There is no way I can ever catch up to them—the only sound solution is to remove all illegitimately acquired rank. Surely they have the technology to do this on their end…

Soyboy.3548:

I don’t think it’s fair that some people knew about rank farming months ago and have got 20 levels out of it, then I find out about it this week and it is getting nerfed. How about take away the ranks people illegitimately farmed? Why can’t they do that? That seems like the logical solution. Having got to 38 the hard way and the fact that I actually seek out the gear skins, it is NOT FAIR AT ALL that people have such a leg up. There is no way I can ever catch up to them—the only sound solution is to remove all illegitimately acquired rank. Surely they have the technology to do this on their end…

Personally, I am not that concerned about rank or glory, but Soyboy and others are right- any rank/glory obtained through exploiting needs to be removed. Even if it is just a blanket removal of all rank/glory obtained through skyhammer map (or in skyhammer+custom servers if that is the core problem).

If players had exploited in pve to get gold/karma/levels they would have this stripped (at least I’ve seen this or even bans given in other games). Also, usually when exploits are found in most mmos I’ve played they are fixed extremely quickly, even with server rollbacks etc.

It is strange that an Anet rep for the game has come out and used the term “exploit”, but all that is being done is “looking into other options to prevent the exploiting.” If it is still being exploited skyhammer should be shut down immediately until the fix has been implemented. However, re-reading Allie’s post I wonder if she is even talking about the same thing as the OP.

The more I think about it the more confused I am as to why nothing has been done about the situation. Have the farming/exploiting servers been shuttered? I mean surely at the very least that should have been done immediately right?

Gandarel.5091:

Erwin.5603:

Not sure about rank 50 in 2 weeks statement

10k glory / hour. Calculate.

wtf 10k/hr?!? That just takes a huge steamy kitten on the whole system. I hope ANet can track where people have been earning rank and remove this kitten. Rank/glory may mean nothing right now (or even -0 thanks to this), but when the reward update comes these guys better not get a leg up thanks to all this abused glory.

Jono M.8519:

Gandarel.5091:

Erwin.5603:

Not sure about rank 50 in 2 weeks statement

10k glory / hour. Calculate.

wtf 10k/hr?!? That just takes a huge steamy kitten on the whole system. I hope ANet can track where people have been earning rank and remove this kitten. Rank/glory may mean nothing right now (or even -0 thanks to this), but when the reward update comes these guys better not get a leg up thanks to all this abused glory.

This.

I hope they make tourney win chests more important than glory =\

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

I finally understand why this is the best solution (for the rank issue at least), it is great to hear. Hope it get patched really soon.

Rednik.3809:

Gandarel.5091:

The problem is, all these slow fixes just either slow them or make them find a new method. They will just find a way to end a match faster, probably suicide jumps after reaching the cap.

The only solution is to remove glorygain from hotjoin.

People could still test builds and “have fun” – but since hotjoin only teaches wrong things to newcomers (like never defend a capture point, spam Aoe and move on, stay with zerg and so on), it shouldn’t give glory. I know it would only take 2 mins to make this change :P

This would also improve the arena population + people could only get ranks if they deserve it.

Such a “great” idea. Have fun with another 2-3 times sPvP population decline, lol, looks like you deserve it.

I wouldn’t consider hotjoin population “PvP population” at all. If hotjoin declines by 2-3 times or even 20 times, but tournament population (aka real PvP population) grows even just a bit, it’s worth it.

Chobiko.9182:

sPvP like WvW were supposed to be inclusive, and not focused on only the core players. This seems to go well for WvW, but in sPvP core players are complaining.

Well, actually WvW Players do complain too.
Just read:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Bloodlust-merged/first

Yeah the birthday booster was terrible. 10k glory per match? Did anet punish those people? Of course not, but if it was some gold or karma exploit they would be all over the bans.

Moral of the story anet doesn’t care about pvp, but I think we all know this.

Harbinger.8637:

Yeah the birthday booster was terrible. 10k glory per match? Did anet punish those people? Of course not, but if it was some gold or karma exploit they would be all over the bans.

Moral of the story anet doesn’t care about pvp, but I think we all know this.

Well to defend the booster a bit, since players can’t remove the birthday boost from themselves, should they afk for 24 hours? That was a big fail and many abused it, but I don’t think that is bannable.

Gandarel.5091:

Harbinger.8637:

Yeah the birthday booster was terrible. 10k glory per match? Did anet punish those people? Of course not, but if it was some gold or karma exploit they would be all over the bans.

Moral of the story anet doesn’t care about pvp, but I think we all know this.

Well to defend the booster a bit, since players can’t remove the birthday boost from themselves, should they afk for 24 hours? That was a big fail and many abused it, but I don’t think that is bannable.

It’s a failure on both parties. Anet should have done better testing, but if a player sees they are getting 10k each match. You think they would have enough decency to be like this is wrong, I should report it, and stop abusing it.

hotjoin in casual browsers shouldnt be punished…and neither should single hot join tournaments, not everyone wants to form a party of OP classes to get win after win, and i personally dont want to face them and get rolled everytime. there still isnt a rank seperation from a team of r 1-12 ending up fighting ranks 40-50’s…and its pathetic to give the high ranking guys favor over this because its not a challenge. underdogs get the short end of the stick in tournaments. browsers are a way people can move up in rank or whatever, if im headed to work and want a quick game but a good chunk of rank/glory, im sure as hell not going to sit in a queue for a tourney JUST for rank.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

I did every daily (thus at least 3 matches) a day for 6 months now, i’m r22. Enlighten me how to get r50 in two days cause i dont get it and i want it…

1. Exploiting is bad.

2. Asking people to teach you how to exploit on the official forums is bad.

Don’t forget to troll these rooms folks, grab your engineer and pick up your rifle,ram,big ol’ bomb and slick shoes to break up the farming!

Allie Murdock.8152:

We’re changing it so that glory is only rewarded at the end of a match, which should stop the exploit where players leave and rejoin the match. We are also actively looking into other options to prevent this exploiting.

Thanks for the report!

I can see it solving the problem of farming but …
Now, if you play good, you deserve a lot of points aaaaand you get disconnected before the end of the game, cya glory.
There are more and more rewards at the end of everything, it’s getting very frustrating because it removes the whole interest of “everything until the end”.
Same happens with dungeons : all the rewards at the end, go die if you get disconnected at the end.
Same with fractals.
Now PvP ? What’s next ? WvW ?

Oraith.1732:

Don’t forget to troll these rooms folks, grab your engineer and pick up your rifle,ram,big ol’ bomb and slick shoes to break up the farming!

LOL.

Perhaps the only thing more pointless than rank farming is purposefully trolling people who are trying to rank farm. If you find it fun though…

+1