Guild Wars 2

Why isn’t poll working for me? it directs me to https://account.arena.net/overview page…

Poll…doesn’t work. It takes me to store/account page.

I am not totally opposed to the general idea of the solo/duo queue. However, making larger groups unable to play ranked during the league is a terrible idea in my mind. What about guilds and groups of players that focus on pvp and actually practice a competitive 5 man team? Where are they supposed to play? Unranked will typically be no challenge whatsoever for them. When else is a guild team or general 5 man team of pvp players supposed to compete but during the league?

That being said, I think having a separate queue for solo/duo and groups would perhaps be ok, besides the likelihood of long queues for groups and possibly increased for solo/duo queues.
Personally, I’ve very rarely had bad experiences in the leagues facing organized 5 man teams. Most games are just pugs or maybe a 2 man group anyway. However, I can see how some people could have had a different experience with that, but without a way for 5 man groups to also enjoy competitive pvp I cannot support the idea as presented.

Sad to see this poll driven approach infect spvp as well as WvW. There is no need for this poll, it is quite obvious the vast majority want a solo/duo queue.

And for those who don’t see the poll page you have to logout, go to the page and log back in then. There’s something wrong with their coding.

this Poll…doesn’t work at all . It takes me to store/account page. and no polls at all hope this is fixed soon

works fine for me

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I agree with Lord Helseth’s reasoning to vote for Solo Queue, he explains it best.

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LVwbgWrMM

As someone who plays MANY different competitive games in solo queue, it’s easy to spot the issues with games that have a dynamic queue. Many competitive scenes have learned from this and separated the queues…those which didn’t fell off the map after a few seasons (if that).

Majority of my PvP climb here wasn’t with a group at all…and I eventually got myself up to Legendary. Like Lord Helseth said, this actually felt like an achievement…especially when it became clear that people who were premade and in Diamond/Legendary were easy to point out (meaning they wouldn’t have made it there without a premade). That’s what the season, especially season 4, ended up being.

After playing tons of games, I knew who was good individually. Players, myself included, knew who was a solo-queue player and knew their skill level. Those were the players I respected…those are the players who made the game competitive…those are the players who made the game fun. Each of us knew the strengths and weaknesses of each other and respected each other highly. It was good. It felt right.

Sadly, it never lasts. All it took was a premade group to ruin these moments that we longed for. Sure, sometimes us solo-queuers beat the full-guild-premades…but that was usually because the system didn’t kitten us over with the whole forced 50%, MMR, pip, and whatever else nonsense…but those few moments did not absolve the fact that the system is trash.

We all voiced our opinions on why Solo Queue needs to be a thing. We all voiced our opinions on the flaws of the system… When you have opposing players in ranked feeling sorry for you for being on the short end of the stick (meaning, good players are punished for solo queuing), you know there is a problem. People KNOW you are good, you proven you are good…yet, Dynamic Queue and the system says “Nope. Solo Queuers should not be as good as you, it’s unheard of”…that makes you not want to PvP.

Countless times I wanted to give up or take the route of grouping up (more than duo)… But at the same time, I wanted to prove a point that Solo Queue to Legendary is possible. Sure, I butchered my stats getting there, but it honestly felt like an achievement.

I met very good solo players this way…and those moments were PvP felt right. And I may not be the highest MMR player, but I’m proud that I did it wasn’t a premade effort.

Solo Queue has my vote.

How on earth is reducing it to only solo/duo a viable option? I know it was present in the old system but along side a team queue. Here’s a crazy idea what about the possibility of any team composition and ensuring that the opposing team has the SAME composition. If people want to play as a 3-man group and complain about queue times they can either wait or split into more popular group sizes.

I think most people are just sick of facing 4-man premades vs a solo team.

DH should be nerfed.

Keeps redirecting back to store/account page. Even after typing in addy directly.

Not working for me either

And the poll doesn’t even work properly…

Seriously. This is a 5 vs 5 man game. I wanna play this in a party. In SoloQ my contribution to the match – as 1/10 – is ca. 10% (unless I’m a very good player, very bad player or a massive troll). It’s roulette decided by factors like MMR I don’t know and therefore can’t even remotely calculate.

How does anyone think it’s a good idea to make this SoloQ only? You’re just making the problem worse, not fixing it. If this gets through there will be even less active players in season 5.

People while whine anyway, but now their whining will stop me from playing pvp. GG I guess.

• Why not have a teamQ and a solo/duoQ in season 5?
• Even if its only testing wouldn’t having 2 seperate Queues also reflect better and more realistic experience for season 6?
• If we actually conduct a poll after season 5 when there’s only solo/duoQ, who can accurately represent teamQ’s perspective in ranked?

These questions I mentioned are objective questions, I’m not even putting any emotion when asking them. So do spare me the “solo players had terrible past history when vs premade” argument.

Statistic 101: poll conductor can easily generate bias with careless phrasing, that is the true danger of using a survey to find out popular opinions, not to mention a close-ended question one.

This whole poll need adjustment and more clarification.

link does not work…

For those the link doesnt work for:

Log out your account -> click link / type address -> log in -> wait for re-direct -> vote

We need more details for this…

Does larger groups would be able playing ranked games ?

Hi everyone!

During the last seasons I’ve played almost exclusively soloqueue in sPvP and I’m sick and tired of having to go up against premades.
This leaves me with basically two choices: not play pvp at all or find myself a team.
Now, last season I tried this with two friends of mine and the result was still not satisfying. Yes, I got the desired success, but the games were still no fun – it was just one-sided.

So in my opinion you simply can’t have solo/duo queues mixed with premade teams. Three players with TS is such a huge imbalance, that it starts to ruin the game for other players.

For the players that want to have competitve games as a team, I would suggest
- a seperate queue
- custom arenas
- community organized tournaments (why would it always be anets responsibility…?)

kind regards

shouldn’t you look at how the change affects player populations instead of re-polling? the poll will likely be biased in the direction of those who stayed, namely the solo/duo quers

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

• Why not have a teamQ and a solo/duoQ in season 5?
• Even if its only testing wouldn’t having 2 seperate Queues also reflect better and more realistic experience for season 6?
• If we actually conduct a poll after season 5 when there’s only solo/duoQ, who can accurately represent teamQ’s perspective in ranked?

I totally agree with you. It would be the best solution. Current system doesn’t work good and we all know it. Removing 5 men teams “might” make matchmaking more balaced but still it won’t be satisfying for all.

As for the poll it’s not well made . All of the poll options are just bad. It’s like to choose the lesser evil . The last option: “Don’t count my vote” is like paradox. Next time add something like “Neither yes or no” so at least you would know that the idea is not bad but has to be reworked.

Xarin Sliron.5307:

shouldn’t you look at how the change affects player populations instead of re-polling? the poll will likely be biased in the direction of those who stayed, namely the solo/duo quers

no because ill still vote no but i wont be leaving. i go with the flow anyway. just my preference.

This, to me, is a copout. Why would you eliminate people with more than 1 friend from being able to play together? If you are going to implement this change based on most of the players who are crying because they get rekt solo queing, and then REMOVE stronghold from the game and give us proper GvG…either 6v6 or 8v8. You are basically making sPvP into random arenas and telling everyone who likes tactically rich team play to go jump in a lake…not cool

You should not make it solo/duo only. Maybe as a separate queue, but not a standalone thing. Being coordinated is what ranked is about and how are groups to practice for higher play without first testing themselves in the community? I’d have voted yes if it was to add a new system, but its a no from me for replacing the current one.

although i voted for yes, i did it only because i want an ADDITIONAL soloQ/duoQ. I do NOT want to be forced to play unranked with my team, which provides no challenge whatsoever.

That being said, I am absolutely convinced, that, since this is a 5v5 team game, that you need to give people a strong incentive to play as a team. maybe apart from this stupid league/division trashloot-system, that’s not worth anything anyways. i’d like to see a proper ELO-based ranking, with automated tourneys, maybe make them time gated, starting 19:00-24:00 or something, to bundle the teams. hell, maybe bring back ESL-weekly. I don’t have the ultimate solution for you guys, but i can tell you one thing:
GW2-PvP is not a self runner. that much has been clearly proven in the past. you have to get active as devs AND as a community. bring back the competitive spirit of PvP, eliminate stupid pve-rewards, or make them all PvP-exclusive again. (I know, most of us were in favour of those changes back then, but seeing how this all played out, i’d rather take back the community as it was before and around 2014, before the reward tracks were introduced, before hordes of afk-ing and flaming freaks took over ranked Q, because all they care for are their PvE-reward, not the game itself... )

Remember early Counter Strike? There were no ingame rewards whatsoever, all there was were servers you could join and tourneys and ESL a bit later and it turned out one of, if not THE most successful esport game ever. I’d like to have that feeling back. I want to compete for the sake of competition. i want to compete in order to build my team, strive to get better, enter tournaments to win or lose, improve ourselves in every step of the way, but i can not do that without your help as devs, since everyone is focused on winning 2g in the dailies and getting super important pve-loot and an e-kitten enlargement for the legendary token next to their name.

i really hope your next approach to pvp brings back a strong pvp-spirit and you’re not driving this game, the best pvp-combat mmorpg at the moment, into a wall. i really do.

Best solution is the return of:
Solo queue & Team queue! (+ Remove the class stacking)

And you’ll start to have a better game for the future.

Please don’t destroy the game by removing teamQ. This will destroy the concept of people forming guilds, getting into teams, becoming friends and playing together. MMOs should encourage team formation and bringing people together. PvP is a team game, please don’t destroy it by removing teams from ranked.

If you need to have both, then have separate Qs for solo/duo and teams or different leagues for both..

Well , I am glad to see solo/duo q ….. what I still wait to see is GVG ranked fights ! WvW is long dead and pvp is focusing in the majority of solo/duo pvpers ! ! ! Many people need a Guild ladder / a GVG system !!!! Please take it in consideration !

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

More people play in solo/duo parties than full stacks. Y’all had your fun of stomping solos with your full party, now let others have some balanced fun.

So can you now complete sPvP guild missions by yourself or are you removing them from the game? Did anyone stop to think about that? Solo/duo Q is a cop out. Come up with some semblance of GvG before you force people that enjoy a team PvP experience to find another game to play.

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

You can still have fun with friends, just one of them at a time, and not as a 3 to 5 man stomping solo queuers :]

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

The people who voted no are likely stronghold farmers exploiting a terribly designed game mode.

Spartacus.3192:

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

thats the problem it should be a competitive enviroment for teams (it isnt now on that we agree)

but it should be… clearly

wardspratlin.9107:

Spartacus.3192:

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

thats the problem it should be a competitive enviroment for teams (it isnt now on that we agree)

but it should be… clearly

Yes and to be competitive there also needs to be a team Q just for 5 man premades.

Funny though when that happens all those people who say “why cant I play with some friends in a ranked q”, will suddenly not want to play with their friends anymore because then they will really get stomped by the truly competitive teams. That’s when you will get proper teams being formed and well thought out class comps. The “Play with friends 5 man premades will all of a sudden be found in unranked”

Rincewind.1207:

Well , I am glad to see solo/duo q ….. what I still wait to see is GVG ranked fights ! WvW is long dead and pvp is focusing in the majority of solo/duo pvpers ! ! ! Many people need a Guild ladder / a GVG system !!!! Please take it in consideration !

Im at a loss here as well.

Ok sure it MIGHT be good that we get solo/duo ques in ranked but does it fix Match Making?

Will it be a 50/50 ratio?

How about a leader board? New rewards for Guild Halls or just useful rewards in general?

Seriously what if S5 rolls around and its a different system but no real reason to play/grind away games?

This one is on us, we said hey go ahead and take away competitive team play without even knowing if they would add in anything else. Honestly a majority of the premade complaint posts come with questions. For instance the thief who ran P/P complaining about a premade or the signet warrior.

Oh well another patch goes by and 1/2 of the community says its a good thing witht he other 1/2 saying its not. Knowing that this doesnt fix any of the issues.

This and facebook is great, its like the episode of south park when they force stan to vote for a kitten sandwich or barf burrito and in the end his vote doesnt even count. I got Gw2 patching and the presidential debate. Life at its finest.

This makes me so sad.

Ranked matchmaking certainly had issues, but one problem it didn’t hagve was that it didn’t prevent me from playing with my friends. We’r eoften usually 3 together to fight in teams trying to climb the ranking pips ladder.

Now, either I’ll be cut out, or we’ll be a duo and the latest to log in will just have to suck in on doing ranked progression together.

And no, I donm’t think this really fixes the underlying issue – it just covers it up with a ragged carpet. No accolades from me on this one.

I voted no and I’m a solo queue player.

We all had game where we got wrecked, even by pug team. I don’t really see how guilds and premade are a problem. Maybe it’s because I’m only an early diamond, that’s why I would get no more than 5% of full premade….It might be a problem on legend…

This is just another “Hum…I lost, Ahahah they have a premade, this is not because of me ! pfiou I’m saved for another day….” moment.

Now, the big question is, how will you manage the group feature ? limits it to 2 people and the first two to join are the happy winners ?

poll closed after 8 days ?

that’s not enough feedback received.

what was the poll about.

I didn’t vote as I didn’t see this, but I would have voted Yes.

“we want our game to be esports so the first thing we do is remove the ability of playing with an organised team.”

10/10 would get trolled again.

PS: I apologise for pvp teams because I actually voted yes and thought that a separate teamq would be obviously included in case of success.

Spartacus.3192:

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

premades on average lost half of all their games.
hows that pug stomping?

What? Was the vote really about having solo/duo queue only? I voted yes but wouldn’t have done so in that case.

Yeah nice now I can´t fight together with my mates in ranked. What then? Going unranked and fight against newbies? Where is the challenge then?

Just implement ques for 1,2,3,4 and 5 man groups. You can also pare 5vs4+1 or 4+1vs3+2. Such matches are stil fairly balanced.

There are so many possibilities to manage the current problem but you decide to make GW2 a soloPvP game. I thought it´s a MULTIPLAYER Online Role Play Game.

sophiewhite.3149:

Spartacus.3192:

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

premades on average lost half of all their games.
hows that pug stomping?

You have official stats to back this up?

Because from my personal experiences whenever I was the solo guy put in the same team as a 4 man premade I won way over 70% of the time. When I was in a full solo or duo team vs a 4man enemy team I lost most of the time. That’s why I voted yes because in my personal data set I was at an advantage when I was in the premade team and a disadvantage when I was not. (even when playing solo)

In absence of clear unbiased data that’s all I can go with.

ulchanar.4309:

What? Was the vote really about having solo/duo queue only? I voted yes but wouldn’t have done so in that case.

Yes, apparently a lot of people simply do not read instructions even when it is clearly spelled out.

Spartacus.3192:

sophiewhite.3149:

Spartacus.3192:

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

premades on average lost half of all their games.
hows that pug stomping?

You have official stats to back this up?

Because from my personal experiences whenever I was the solo guy put in the same team as a 4 man premade I won way over 70% of the time. When I was in a full solo or duo team vs a 4man enemy team I lost most of the time. That’s why I voted yes because in my personal data set I was at an advantage when I was in the premade team and a disadvantage when I was not. (even when playing solo)

In absence of clear unbiased data that’s all I can go with.

sorry i cant provide the source. but many others will agree and might have it. anet has said previously that premades only win around half their games. it was 48% or 52% i cant remember.

sophiewhite.3149:

Spartacus.3192:

sophiewhite.3149:

Spartacus.3192:

Xillllix.3485:

Wow, so now we can’t play with out friends in a competitive environment? What the kitten is happening with this game? It’s become so casual…

LOL if you thought ranked was competitive for teams. SMH

The 20% who voted no are probably the ones who enjoyed pug stomping with their premades.

premades on average lost half of all their games.
hows that pug stomping?

You have official stats to back this up?

Because from my personal experiences whenever I was the solo guy put in the same team as a 4 man premade I won way over 70% of the time. When I was in a full solo or duo team vs a 4man enemy team I lost most of the time. That’s why I voted yes because in my personal data set I was at an advantage when I was in the premade team and a disadvantage when I was not. (even when playing solo)

In absence of clear unbiased data that’s all I can go with.

sorry i cant provide the source. but many others will agree and might have it. anet has said previously that premades only win around half their games. it was 48% or 52% i cant remember.

That 50% statistic was for a FULL 5 man vs FULL solo q and that’s whythey implemented a rule so a full 5 man team would never meet a full solo again to please the masses. However, that doesn’t stop 4,1 team facing a 1,1,1,1,1 team. ANET did not give out those statistics.

Until ANET provides data on how a 4,1 team does vs full solo or vs 2,1,1,1 teams we have only our own experiences to go by.

Spartacus.3192:

ulchanar.4309:

What? Was the vote really about having solo/duo queue only? I voted yes but wouldn’t have done so in that case.

Yes, apparently a lot of people simply do not read instructions even when it is clearly spelled out.

Is the original text of the poll still available? Of course it can be my fault, but I read it as “Do you want a solo/duo only queue?” instead of “Do you want a solo/duo queue only?” Could also be a bad translation as I voted over here in Germany.