So, when I see a legend I don’t know, I ask them their strategy. It’s almost always go cheese stronghold.
Why is this a competitive map? It is perfectly fine for unranked, but it is not a good mapped for anything ranked. It should be removed from ranked for season 2.
In the current meta conquest has grown stale and boring. Bunker meta there is no need to even rotate anymore.
In such there is more strategy in stronghold than conquest at the moment.
When it is a premade vs premade Stronghold is intense and flips sides at the drop of a dime. I can understand solo que’s distaste for it as you are right it can go cheese real quick.
So, when I see a legend I don’t know, I ask them their strategy. It’s almost always go cheese stronghold.
Why is this a competitive map? It is perfectly fine for unranked, but it is not a good mapped for anything ranked. It should be removed from ranked for season 2.
You don’t have to play stronghold in ranked. Simply uncheck the box on Stronghold in the pvp menu screen on the top right and you will never see it in ranked.
I always go stronghold because conquest is the most useless ridiculous and boring gamemode ever.
The forced on point fights take away 90% of the strategic elements this game has to offer.
only people that run the OP meta bunker builds and want nothing else just camp points and spam boons and heals all day are the ones that are againts strongholds because their broken build not works there and they actualy need to look out for other stuff instead of just camping.
Yep, should definitely be removed. Move it to unranked only. People shouldn’t be able to que dodge better teams by unchecking conquest and farming 3 minute wins with ambers on this PvE gamemode.
Yep, should definitely be removed. Move it to unranked only. People shouldn’t be able to que dodge better teams by unchecking conquest and farming 3 minute wins with ambers on this PvE gamemode.
dodge better teams you mean the boring OP meta bunker users…………….
You have it wrong. Fix Stronghold so that it actually is a part of the team leaderboard.
Remove conquest. I still can’t get around the fact that people these days actually prefer
that gamemode. Sure there are some issues with Stronghold, but it’s still overall way more fun than conquest ever is going to be. But well whatever.
Stronghold at the current state is not good. It is a farm fest of premades made of bunkers.
When you guys get matched against 2 tempest, 1 chronobunker with WoP, 1 bunker druid and 1 scrapper/rev or 2 tempest, 2 chronobunker and 1 rev, perhaps will understand why people has been so against the mode since league started. Stronghold can be worse than conquest under such circumstances.
This game mode needs a rework, people need to prevent the opposite team defense by killing players and not by over healing/buffing the creep. If not it is just a PvE mode and has nothing to do in sPvP.
Why on Earth would you want to remove the OPTION to do ranked Stronghold games?
If you’re solo queuing just uncheck the box for Stronghold. Suddenly the premades can’t “cheese” the game for easy wins anymore.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
LOOOOOL all them Meta bunker abusers hating on Stronghold this is rich
what your build not works that good there ? you people cant just camp points with your Broken bunker builds while spamming everything ? cry more people. im enjoying this.
I always go stronghold because conquest is the most useless ridiculous and boring gamemode ever.
The forced on point fights take away 90% of the strategic elements this game has to offer.
only people that run the OP meta bunker builds and want nothing else just camp points and spam boons and heals all day are the ones that are againts strongholds because their broken build not works there and they actualy need to look out for other stuff instead of just camping.
What game are you playing good sir? The OP meta bunkers are having a blast in stronghold, healing, buffing, protecting the NPCswhile riding to victory.
Nevertheless, the option to turn off q for this map is available and I unchecked it a long time ago, best decision made.
Why on Earth would you want to remove the OPTION to do ranked Stronghold games?
If you’re solo queuing just uncheck the box for Stronghold. Suddenly the premades can’t “cheese” the game for easy wins anymore.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
Why should someone who cheesed Conquest be considered Legendary? Works both ways man. I’d much rather face the much more diverse builds that are present in Stronghold, than the -be as tanky as I can be so I don’t lose a point- garbage currently in this meta =/
“He shall make whole that which was torn asunder.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
Why on Earth would you want to remove the OPTION to do ranked Stronghold games?
If you’re solo queuing just uncheck the box for Stronghold. Suddenly the premades can’t “cheese” the game for easy wins anymore.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
Why should someone who cheesed Conquest be considered Legendary? Works both ways man. I’d much rather face the much more diverse builds that are present in Stronghold, than the -be as tanky as I can be so I don’t lose a point- garbage currently in this meta =/
Because you can win in stronghold if both sides ignore other players and just zerg down the boss whereas in conquest you’re forced to fight other players. In stronghold you’re also using cheese builds and playstyles against other cheese builds and playstyles so skill wins out in the end.
Why on Earth would you want to remove the OPTION to do ranked Stronghold games?
If you’re solo queuing just uncheck the box for Stronghold. Suddenly the premades can’t “cheese” the game for easy wins anymore.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
Why should someone who cheesed Conquest be considered Legendary? Works both ways man. I’d much rather face the much more diverse builds that are present in Stronghold, than the -be as tanky as I can be so I don’t lose a point- garbage currently in this meta =/
Because you can win in stronghold if both sides ignore other players and just zerg down the boss whereas in conquest you’re forced to fight other players. In stronghold you’re also using cheese builds and playstyles against other cheese builds and playstyles so skill wins out in the end.
I haven’t won or lost when an entire team ignores defense and pushes down kitten . Usually when that happens they lose because killing the Door Breakers is easy to do. Then because all 5 are so committed, they’ve lost both doors compared to the 1 they got down.
Besides, I’d rather skill win in the end in cheese vs cheese rather than no skill tanky being superior :p
“He shall make whole that which was torn asunder.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
They should, honestly, seperate conquest and stronghold divisions. They aren’t the same game mode and shouldn’t be considered the same as far as divisions go.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
…. Why should someone who cheeses Conquest be considered legendary?
You have people exploiting the match making system and game balance in both game modes. Saying one is more legit than the other seems like faulty logic to me.
If you are solo and you feel you are at more of a disadvantage in Stronghold than in Conquest just don’t queue for it. There is an option for that. If everyone did this then suddenly people playing Stronghold would be going up against other premades, and everyone would be on equal footing.
Personally I like having the opportunity to play Stronghold matches to break up the endless stream of Foefire matches I have to put up with. And I like being able to get or lose pips as I do it.
STOP sending all the fun content to unranked. I want to play ranked games too, but I’d like to also not be bored as I do it.
They should, honestly, seperate conquest and stronghold divisions. They aren’t the same game mode and shouldn’t be considered the same as far as divisions go.
I think if anything, they should consider doing the opposite, and remove the selection option between Conquest and Stronghold. Surely being a master of all game modes should be the only way to become Legendary.
I don’t see why that should be done…You aren’t going to be just as good in multiple game modes nor are you going to know the best tactics for each situation in every game mode. It should be separate.
I don’t see why that should be done…You aren’t going to be just as good in multiple game modes nor are you going to know the best tactics for each situation in every game mode. It should be separate.
But clearly that means that someone who does know the best tactics for each situation in every game mode is the greatest player alive.
Which is what the leagues are for, right? To find out who is the very best that ever was?
Stronghold is an alright mode and pretty fun at times, they just need to nerf Chronomancer and Tempest into the kittening ground so hard that Warrior seems like a useful class in comparison. Or make NPCs immune to every allied effect that isn’t a boon.
I don’t see why that should be done…You aren’t going to be just as good in multiple game modes nor are you going to know the best tactics for each situation in every game mode. It should be separate.
But clearly that means that someone who does know the best tactics for each situation in every game mode is the greatest player alive.
Which is what the leagues are for, right? To find out who is the very best that ever was?
Yes, stronghold needs to go from ranked. All diamonds+ I know farmed pips in stronghold but know nothing about pvp (they admit this).
No no, because conquest does NOT own the Player versus Player label. A metric kitten ton of WvW players would like to have a word with you about what’s Player versus Player then. Stronghold IS Player versus Player too and deserves to be recognized as such.
I don’t care much for this gamemode, but I was thinking about something that could drastically improve it and perhaps prevents exploits. Perhaps Anet could simple block the entrance to the lord room to all players and only allow NPCs to enter so you would actually be playing the game rather than camping lord room. This could add a new depth to Stronghold or completely ruin it, but it’s probably worth a try
Haven’t you heard? Rushing NPCS means you are skilled PvP player.
I enjoy sarcasm as much as the next guy, but if you are dumbing down strong hold that much then some of the most popular esport games (smite, dota 2 and LoL) are skilless games o_0
You can always choose to play stronghold or conquest, so what’s the problem?! Don’t choose to play stronghold!
You don’t see the bigger picture. Both “amber shopping” and stronghold farm (and even the meta to some very small extent) undermine the legendary title to a point where it no longer has any value.
Anet is going to fix amber abuse and will do a balance patch, but unless they remove stronghold all of this is pointless because people will keep farming their way quick and easy without doing PvP.
Why on Earth would you want to remove the OPTION to do ranked Stronghold games?
If you’re solo queuing just uncheck the box for Stronghold. Suddenly the premades can’t “cheese” the game for easy wins anymore.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
Why should someone who cheesed Conquest be considered Legendary? Works both ways man. I’d much rather face the much more diverse builds that are present in Stronghold, than the -be as tanky as I can be so I don’t lose a point- garbage currently in this meta =/
What diversity lmao. Run staff tempest for heals, chronobunker with precog to invuln npcs, scrapper with gyro to stealth npcs, revenant cuz rev is just op. And DH for traps. Or another tempest or mesmer. There is no diversity, it’s the same builds lol. I’m sorry sir but this is hilarious that u think stronghold has diversity.
I will say it’s funny that my friends and I 5 manned staff tempest in stronghold and won cuz the other team couldn’t kill our Lord. So while 4 of us where healing lord our 5th was healing our npcs to kill their lord. Most bunk support cheese game ever? Lol. Funny that ppl think it has diversity and is fun.
Why on Earth would you want to remove the OPTION to do ranked Stronghold games?
If you’re solo queuing just uncheck the box for Stronghold. Suddenly the premades can’t “cheese” the game for easy wins anymore.
Because the two game modes share the same league system. Why should someone who cheeses stronghold be considered legendary?
Why should someone who cheesed Conquest be considered Legendary? Works both ways man. I’d much rather face the much more diverse builds that are present in Stronghold, than the -be as tanky as I can be so I don’t lose a point- garbage currently in this meta =/
What diversity lmao. Run staff tempest for heals, chronobunker with precog to invuln npcs, scrapper with gyro to stealth npcs, revenant cuz rev is just op. And DH for traps. Or another tempest or mesmer. There is no diversity, it’s the same builds lol. I’m sorry sir but this is hilarious that u think stronghold has diversity.
I will say it’s funny that my friends and I 5 manned staff tempest in stronghold and won cuz the other team couldn’t kill our Lord. So while 4 of us where healing lord our 5th was healing our npcs to kill their lord. Most bunk support cheese game ever? Lol. Funny that ppl think it has diversity and is fun.
I haven’t seen that before :p I generally see a wide range of builds. Some of what you said, but others as well.
“He shall make whole that which was torn asunder.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
At least one person tried to explain what the cheese was in Stronghold. Apparently once PvPers get a whiff of “cheese”, they refuse to try anything that might stop it. I get that adaptation is hard, but if you’re going to call yourself a competitive PvPer, you shouldn’t quit at the drop of a hat.
Also, people are saying Stronghold teams shouldn’t get Legendary rank, while with the rest of the same breath saying that people are exploiting MMR mechanics to get Legendary. So does Legendary matter to people or not? Or is everyone saying it doesn’t matter while secretly sweating in their desperate attempt to get Legendary and boast that they have it?
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