Guild Wars 2

Part of the plan for Esports was to create this type of drama and talk about it. Even the developers have stated they wanted people to talk about it and start this whole gossip circle around what the teams are doing, who can beat who, etc. etc. etc.

Mission accomplished on that front?

Side note, I’m tired of people talking about the Tampa Bay Lightning only being good because of the division they are in.

I don’t disrespect the Abjured, but I do take issue with the balancing of this game. the Abjured has achieved everything with the double d/d ele + X comp. it’s not their fault the spec is broken. but they will abuse it to make money.

Please change title to “Sick of the disrespect to The Abjured”

The competitive teams in NA consist of mercenaries that flip flop like pancakes because the abjured have been together for years.

Once a better leaderboard/league system is in place where we can see new ppl w/ skill, then maybe NA will have more competitive teams.

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

mistsim.2748:

I don’t disrespect the Abjured, but I do take issue with the balancing of this game. the Abjured has achieved everything with the double d/d ele + X comp. it’s not their fault the spec is broken. but they will abuse it to make money.

There hasn’t been another Abjured running 2 cele ele comp either.

There’s only certain aspects of the Ele that needs shaving. Doing so will not change their performance any, it’s more of a QoL fix.

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

I don’t think they can.

Rank 55 is imo even better than TCG. Mancow is a better ele than texbi and misha isn’t worse than helseth.
If you consider on WTS Abjured wouldn’t had won luckily on temple, they would have got third place losing every single game against TCG.

But obv 55 can’t touch the Abjured – such pro analysis from you – no idea but talking.

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

I don’t think they can.

That doesn’t make any sense. 55 are on the same level as oRNG.

Aktium.9506:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

I don’t think they can.

That doesn’t make any sense. 55 are on the same level as oRNG.

So A can beat B therefore A can beat C because B can beat C?

No.

Let me be blunt. I am honestly baffled that no teams in NA still have not realized that the key to even possibly beating abjured, and that is team longevity and the ability to take losses and learn from them. It’s idiotic. If anyone’s going to beat abjured, it’s gonna be 5 people that can have a drive to win, but more importantly, can stick together, watch replays, and point out mistakes. NA deserves the criticism receives, but it’s not because the players are worse (imo I think individually some players in NA are miles ahead of some EU players), but that the attitude towards team building is very misguided-people can’t take losses and people tend to blame others for losses. This of course, leads to great volatility in team rosters. Time and time again, teams never last more than 1 month or two or three before players start to point fingers at other players to make themselves feel good about themselves and to account for losses. What a huge mistake this is….it’s apparent in the fact that no team’s been able to evidently beat the abjured in the past year, despite arguably most players in top tier play being arguably similar in skill individually to the members of abjured.

To some effect, the abjured is protected from losses simply due to the immaturity and juvenile thinking characterized by the NA population. I doubt this is going to change, and this is only more compounded by the fact that arenanet still has little support for the esports scene, resulting in poor game-directing decisions, balance, and a minuscule community.

So what’s to laugh at? The abomination that is the NA community. What should be respected? The skills of the individual players of the NA community.

Men at 25 play football. Men at 40 play tennis. Men at 60 play golf. Have you noticed that as you get older your balls get smaller?

Mia Crazymike.1780:

Men at 25 play football. Men at 40 play tennis. Men at 60 play golf. Have you noticed that as you get older your balls get smaller?

And after 60 when you can’t move your move your arms, what logically follows is esports and that your balls are even….wait hold on….

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

I don’t think they can.

Lol? You say that 55 beating other EU teams doesn’t mean they can beat Abjured, then you say that 55 can’t beat Abjured with absolutely no reasoning at all. Such a hypocrite.

The Abjured are by and far leagues ahead of any other current NA team, that much can’t be denied. However, I think there are several other NA teams that could compete very well with teams below Orng and TCG.

tichorum.2415:

The Abjured are by and far leagues ahead of any other current NA team, that much can’t be denied. However, I think there are several other NA teams that could compete very well with teams below Orng and TCG.

I would have to disagree somewhat. I think most of the “top-tier” NA teams are competitive enough to compete against oRNG and TCG and even win a few bo3s.

Like many others, I do not believe that the early matches in wts were good indications of normal abjured play. Arguably, abjured was in a sense “throwing” the first few rounds, which is completely understandable given the different circumstances when you are up in stage (nerves, etc.). This is very evident in plays that were uncommon to the abjured in the early round. The later games though, especially in the matches against oRNG, show abjured’s normal performance against NA teams. NA teams have scored 300-400 against abjured in esl in the past.

Aeroxe.8140:

tichorum.2415:

The Abjured are by and far leagues ahead of any other current NA team, that much can’t be denied. However, I think there are several other NA teams that could compete very well with teams below Orng and TCG.

I would have to disagree somewhat. I think most of the “top-tier” NA teams are competitive enough to compete against oRNG and TCG and even win a few bo3s.

Like many others, I do not believe that the early matches in wts were good indications of normal abjured play. Arguably, abjured was in a sense “throwing” the first few rounds, which is completely understandable given the different circumstances when you are up in stage (nerves, etc.). This is very evident in plays that were uncommon to the abjured in the early round. The later games though, especially in the matches against oRNG, show abjured’s normal performance against NA teams. NA teams have scored 300-400 against abjured in esl in the past.

Quoted for truth.

Jasher.6580:

Aktium.9506:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

I don’t think they can.

That doesn’t make any sense. 55 are on the same level as oRNG.

So A can beat B therefore A can beat C because B can beat C?

No.

You seem to be under the impression that oRNG/TCG are to EU what Abjured are to NA. Many people here have told you that we have multiple teams that can perform on the same level as our WTS teams and have shown themselves capable of doing so by winning over said teams. If anything I would put more stock in 55 being able to win over Abjured than oRNG with their deathmatch-esque playstyle that has a very exploitable weakness. Especially since oRNG lost the ToL3 with 1 – 3 to 55.

It’s funny how Jasher is arguing that you can not and should not make statements about EU > NA but is then saying himself that rank 55 defintly can not touch the Abjured.
And the argumentation

So A can beat B therefore A can beat C because B can beat C?
No.

is the most pathetic thing I’ve read in this thread so far.
Nobody said that Rank 55 will beat Abjured because they compete with orng that has defeated the Abjured in the past – It’s actually you saying that rank 55 can’t touch the Abjured,ALLTHOUGH they are on the same lvl like orng.

It’s more likely that A defeats C in your example than saying A can defintly NOT defeat C because that’s not how it works lol – and that’s exactly what you did.
still the weirdest arguementation you have brought yet.

Saying sth. like rank 55 can’t touch the Abjured is just an unfounded statement from you which makes you look even more like an ignorant fanboy.

This conversation is decent but it needs more ostrich eggs, the father of esports.

The Abjured members are just absorbing all this attention. They are laughing at everyone involved in this thread. They are probably drowning in content with themselves. Please, lets continue to actually indirectly put ourselves beneath them.

OE > Abjured

I don’t think this thread is about NA as a whole but a kitten Abjured fanboi

trytonianYeti.4389:

OE > Abjured

I don’t think this thread is about NA as a whole but a kitten Abjured fanboi

Not that i’m backing up the OP because I don’t know him, but you’re missing the point of the thread, of which, has already been stated.

There’s higher competition in EU than NA. That’s not to say that EU have better players… .. they just have a higher participation rate in the competitive scene than NA.

It’s kinda a mute argument but I still agree with the point OP is trying to make. Saying that NA sucks isn’t exactly politically correct and he’s tired of hearing it.

Well, Living in North America is more difficult than in Europe or some EU countries.

/kappa

USA is capitalistic (well not really it’s more like fascism with banks and large businesses pretty much make all the rules) and very competitive so ppl work longer hours, have fewer holidays, get paid less unless executive level. Scandinavia > EU because no Greece and made socialism work.

Back on topic. The reason OP feels NA is disrespected is because the bond of the EU community is stronger and tighter. So, they watch out for one another and dismiss their rivals.

NA lacks a leader type persona that creates this bond. Top teams are in their own world and want little to do with everyone else.

trytonianYeti.4389:

NA lacks a leader type persona that creates this bond.

Toker is streaming again. Toker is my life coach.

Shirts Will Be Available Soon! lol

I rest my case. This thread isn’t about NA as a whole but Abjured’s only fanboi going through an emotional roller coaster

trytonianYeti.4389:

I rest my case. This thread isn’t about NA as a whole but Abjured’s only fanboi going through an emotional roller coaster

Sigh… really?

Saiyan.1704:

mistsim.2748:

I don’t disrespect the Abjured, but I do take issue with the balancing of this game. the Abjured has achieved everything with the double d/d ele + X comp. it’s not their fault the spec is broken. but they will abuse it to make money.

There hasn’t been another Abjured running 2 cele ele comp either.

There’s only certain aspects of the Ele that needs shaving. Doing so will not change their performance any, it’s more of a QoL fix.

Abjured is carried by wakkie and phanta. that’s all there is to it. the rest is gravy. d/d eles make this game dumb, and personally, I’m not even thinking of coming back until this garbage is resolved.

So to sum up the thread.

Jasher: NA is the best and would wipe the floor with EU because U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.

Everyone else: Reasoned and logical arguments why this is completely false.

Jasher: Denied! [louder chanting] U!S!A! U!S!A! U!S!A!

apharma.3741:

So to sum up the thread.

Jasher: NA is the best and would wipe the floor with EU because U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.

Everyone else: Reasoned and logical arguments why this is completely false.

Jasher: Denied! [louder chanting] U!S!A! U!S!A! U!S!A!

Almost. Just substitute USA with Abjured then you have it.

mistsim.2748:

Saiyan.1704:

mistsim.2748:

I don’t disrespect the Abjured, but I do take issue with the balancing of this game. the Abjured has achieved everything with the double d/d ele + X comp. it’s not their fault the spec is broken. but they will abuse it to make money.

There hasn’t been another Abjured running 2 cele ele comp either.

There’s only certain aspects of the Ele that needs shaving. Doing so will not change their performance any, it’s more of a QoL fix.

Abjured is carried by wakkie and phanta. that’s all there is to it. the rest is gravy. d/d eles make this game dumb, and personally, I’m not even thinking of coming back until this garbage is resolved.

I feel like I’m the only NA person who cheered for EU. I didn’t like NA’s lineup and they’re boring to watch. Was looking forward to a tcg/orng final but the cheapness of the d/d eles won.

Guys Guild Warts 2 is the laughingstock of the esports universe! Let’s wait until this game doesn’t stink of pooberries before we start the what team/continent is better than the other drama!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

ellesee.8297:

Guys Guild Warts 2 is the laughingstock of the esports universe! Let’s wait until this game doesn’t stink of pooberries before we start the what team/continent is better than the other drama!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

This.

The whole arguement holds no candle anyway because regardless of the region, there is a sickening amount of disinterest of hanging around long enough to become good.

Maybe get more than two to four teams facing off per region (including China), and then we can talk.

trytonianYeti.4389:

mistsim.2748:

Saiyan.1704:

mistsim.2748:

I don’t disrespect the Abjured, but I do take issue with the balancing of this game. the Abjured has achieved everything with the double d/d ele + X comp. it’s not their fault the spec is broken. but they will abuse it to make money.

There hasn’t been another Abjured running 2 cele ele comp either.

There’s only certain aspects of the Ele that needs shaving. Doing so will not change their performance any, it’s more of a QoL fix.

Abjured is carried by wakkie and phanta. that’s all there is to it. the rest is gravy. d/d eles make this game dumb, and personally, I’m not even thinking of coming back until this garbage is resolved.

I feel like I’m the only NA person who cheered for EU. I didn’t like NA’s lineup and they’re boring to watch. Was looking forward to a tcg/orng final but the cheapness of the d/d eles won.

pretty much..

NA vs EU? Who cares really. The SPvP population is so low that there are a handful of truly skilled teams. Where they come from really doesn’t matter because statistically with so few teams you can’t really see a trend. I’d suggest looking at actual popular esports games to get a real sense of what different regions produce skill wise.

The double ele argument is the stupidest thing I’ve seen on these forums. If that is what got Abjured a win, why didn’t another team use it an win? It’s not cheap, it’s taking advantage of all legal means of winning. Every single team should be doing exactly that. The rage should be directed squarely at ArenaNet for having the worst balance team in the industry and pushing esports before they got things even remotely balanced.

apharma.3741:

So to sum up the thread.

Jasher: Man I’m really tired of people making unsubstantiated claims by using cherry-picked data clusters to make huge sweeping statements.

EU loyalists: Yes but EU is more competitive! We have 4 teams which beat the team that can beat Abjured. You are stupid. All you do is U! S! A!.

Jasher: I’m not even from USA, as a matter of fact, my island is a Commonwealth realm, with Queen Elizabeth II as its monarch and head of state. I just don’t like the disrespect.

EU loyalists: But what we are saying is true. EU is just better!

Jasher: groan

Fixed that for you.

Jasher.6580:

apharma.3741:

So to sum up the thread.

Jasher: Man I’m really tired of people making unsubstantiated claims by using cherry-picked data clusters to make huge sweeping statements.

Fixed that for you.

That is the common thing to every racist commentary ever…I’m from the EU and I’m ashamed of some of the commentaries i see here. In the name of EU I’m sorry.

Any team should be judged by his track record, not by where they are from. Saying otherwise is just racism.

The only comparisons between EU and US teams, should be done checking teams that have faced each other and taking the results into consideration.

I have and will continue reporting players that produce this kind of statements, racism should be fought in whatever shape or manner it appears.

Jasher.6580:

apharma.3741:

So to sum up the thread.

Jasher: Man I’m really tired of people making unsubstantiated claims by using cherry-picked data clusters to make huge sweeping statements.

EU loyalists: Yes but EU is more competitive! We have 4 teams which beat the team that can beat Abjured. You are stupid. All you do is U! S! A!.

Jasher: I’m not even from USA, as a matter of fact, my island is a Commonwealth realm, with Queen Elizabeth II as its monarch and head of state. I just don’t like the disrespect.

EU loyalists: But what we are saying is true. EU is just better!

Jasher: groan

Fixed that for you.

Nobody said anything about you being from NA…once again blindly going along in your own little world ignoring what everyone says.

You have yet to bring any facts supporting anything you’ve said. Take a look at the last NA ESL final, the abjured made team radioactive look like a bunch of hot join heroes with a score of 500 to 160 and 500 to 200 and that isn’t uncommon.

Radioactive are not bad players, no-one has said this. What they have said is that there’s no competition with the abjured in NA which if you bothered to show any form of thought you would have seen.

Time mods locked/deleted this pathetic excuse for a thread.

Also please do not use the quote system to change what my original message was and then make me out to be some kind of racist. My message was not racist, I was calling you out on your unsubstantiated claims which essentially boiled down to “I think NA would wipe the floor with EU because they are NA.”

apharma.3741:

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I think E Dream could whoop a bunch of you guys. That’s just one team.

You also have no facts to back up your statements either.

I keep saying, styles make fights. You saying that A can beat C because B can beat C and A beat B doesn’t make A can beat C a FACT. It’s not.

I say I think NA could whoop a bunch of EU because I see how they play. They play well.

You know what, it’s good for NA to have a friendly cheerleader like this OP. Good for morale IMO.