Guild Wars 2

Archaon.9524:

Well i think it’s pretty good for those exploiting it…

You can’t exploit, if you know where to stand as a thief and use the scorpion wire. Mesmer’s are pretty straight forward, focus 4 down on platform move on it then activate it. Necros just fear, Warriors can fear also. Guardians hammer 4, Rangers longbow/pet fear and Engis are pretty straight forward.

Its too easy if youre no dimwit.

Whats awsome about “outplaying” someone by one shotting him when he whont see you coming?

Archaon.9524:

Well i think it’s pretty good for those exploiting it…

A common phrase nubs use as their excuse for sucking.

Locuz.2651:

Its too easy if youre no dimwit.

Whats awsome about “outplaying” someone by one shotting him when he whont see you coming?

It doesn’t matter if you outplay them, but that feeling you get when you pull 2 players into the hole.

Chilli.2976:

Locuz.2651:

Its too easy if youre no dimwit.

Whats awsome about “outplaying” someone by one shotting him when he whont see you coming?

It doesn’t matter if you outplay them, but that feeling you get when you pull 2 players into the hole.

feels better when they start ranting in mapchat and/or whisper rage at you.

kirito.4138:

Chilli.2976:

Locuz.2651:

Its too easy if youre no dimwit.

Whats awsome about “outplaying” someone by one shotting him when he whont see you coming?

It doesn’t matter if you outplay them, but that feeling you get when you pull 2 players into the hole.

feels better when they start ranting in mapchat and/or whisper rage at you.

Indeed, makes you want to play skyhammer more often :P.

Hi,

Locuz.2651:

Whats awsome about “outplaying” someone by one shotting him when he whont see you coming?

It’s nothing awesome indeed. Yet, I believe that most people are blinded by their rage against this map to even try and think valid tactics during the game.

Don’t get me wrong, I do not like skyhammer, because I feel that the map offers too many ways to unbalance fights. Yet, after playing a lot of games, I’ve become used to it, meaning:

• I’ve painfully learnt where you can get pulled/pushed – so of course am avoiding dangerous routes altogether. If I see some opponent camping at a certain place, then I know better than go and challenge him where he wants me to,
• When facing classes, I know what tools they can use to throw me out (I’ve taken the time to learn all classes), and I use appropriate techniques to mitigate that (positioning, line of sight, dodging, blocking, using stability / stun breakers, teleporting…),
• When some players change their builds in order to take advantage of the map, then this means they’ve given something up in exchange (usually less active defense). Also, this gives you a tactical advantage, because you know their focus is narrowed to that very goal of bumping you.

Of course, there are better players than me, and I do get thrown out of the platforms here and there; but more than once per game has now become quite a rare occurrence, unless I lose my cool (which usually has more to do with the lack of respect by players rather than the game itself, i.e. insulting, leaving, leeching… the standard daily set of the loser mentality we too often encounter in PvP battles).

Anyway, I’d like the map to change for the better (it has great potential IMHO), but I think that players should change their attitude as well. Saying “Skyhammer sucks” is the same as saying “condition <insert class here> is OP” when you run a build with poor condition cleansing, because “you know, if I trait for condition management, I cannot trait for one-shot kill and that’d suck”…

Just my 2c.

SpookyElk.6041:

Terminate this map. Please.

just got off the phone with the terminator, sadly he’s too busy to terminate this map, the procrastinator has taken over for him
that said, anet kill this map, seriously, nobody likes it, nobody even has “meh” feelings about it. this map makes us all feel like we’re in a giant pinball machine

kirito.4138:

Archaon.9524:

Well i think it’s pretty good for those exploiting it…

A common phrase nubs use as their excuse for sucking.

^ Like this

Haha gotta share a really short story. Few days ago I entered a match on my longbow ranger and ended up on skyham. I was running up to b when I saw a warrior rushing our homepoint. I fired off a random knockback shot hoping to put him in combat and slow him long enough for our homeguard to get the cap. Lo and behold read the wind+eagle eye saved the day. He started to do the GS whirling movement ability just as the arrow hit and he goes FLYING off the edge. Half of hte players at B that saw it stopped fighting long enough to type. “uhhh…WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!”

This is a map where an engineer can stealth while standing behind a wall so you don’t even know they’re coming, run out and stand on the panel to preemptively trigger it, activate their unblockable Magnet (with no tell from stealth) to pull a player onto said panel, instantly immobolize the already CCed player with net shot from rifle, and then laugh as they capture the point with no effort on their part. So yeah, fun map.

The biggest reason why pvp in GW2 flopped incredibly hard was due to lack of (combat) depth in some areas. Without proper depth there will never be a strong/long lasting pvp community.

Skyhammer is the poster child of that lack of depth. One shots mean next to no build/setup or strategic gameplay.

And dont get me wrong…im a f ing monster on Skyhammer. Not because im skilled….but because its f in easy and im not braindead.

At least some ppl that usually use that techniques can admit themselves its a bad design,
high regards for this Locuz.

Cause its always easy to say its a L2P issue if you are the one knocking ppl down pulling them down etc. Some of those ppl totally lose on any other map regardless the build they play.

I mean in a lot of other games using the environment to cause almost uncounterable instakills (and even to this extent) would be considered exploits, here they are even backed by the developers it seems.

btw:
I wonder if this thread gets merged in the megathread as well, cause the title is positive

Shadelang.3012:

Haha gotta share a really short story. Few days ago I entered a match on my longbow ranger and ended up on skyham. I was running up to b when I saw a warrior rushing our homepoint. I fired off a random knockback shot hoping to put him in combat and slow him long enough for our homeguard to get the cap. Lo and behold read the wind+eagle eye saved the day. He started to do the GS whirling movement ability just as the arrow hit and he goes FLYING off the edge. Half of hte players at B that saw it stopped fighting long enough to type. “uhhh…WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!”

I wish you had a video of this! xD

I don’t fight it anymore…..

When I see skyhammer i swap to my engin and run turrets.

I get called all manner of things but honestly most of it is true so……

For me tho it just came down to the fact I felt like I was hitting a brick wall previously. This way I get kills and I get wins even if people hate me for it.

Locuz.2651:

The biggest reason why pvp in GW2 flopped incredibly hard was due to lack of (combat) depth in some areas. Without proper depth there will never be a strong/long lasting pvp community.

And so you whinge and complain about the one map that offers something a little different to your straight-up conquest bunker grind-fest.

Locuz.2651:

And dont get me wrong…im a f ing monster on Skyhammer. Not because im skilled….but because its f in easy and im not braindead.

If Skyhammer is “f in easy” if you’re not “braindead” then the skill ceiling is simple to reach, ergo everyone should be playing at the same level. This is clearly not the case, as evidenced by your ego and all the qq Skyham threads.

In a hypothetical game where everyone is playing Skyhammer at the same level, you will get insta’d as much as you insta others. It’s a level playing field that offers a different challenge and adds a little variety to the standard game type.

BTW, it’s not hard to be a ‘monster’ in a 5v4.

The other day I had the most hilarious kill where I got downed on a point, used Mesmer downed skill 2 and landed right on the far edge of a portal. For some reason the Warrior who downed me ran over to stomp me, standing right on the breakable floor, which promptly broke and sent him falling to his death before he could finish stomping me.

I’m guessing he must have been new to Skyhammer. XD

Shadelang.3012:

Haha gotta share a really short story. Few days ago I entered a match on my longbow ranger and ended up on skyham. I was running up to b when I saw a warrior rushing our homepoint. I fired off a random knockback shot hoping to put him in combat and slow him long enough for our homeguard to get the cap. Lo and behold read the wind+eagle eye saved the day. He started to do the GS whirling movement ability just as the arrow hit and he goes FLYING off the edge. Half of hte players at B that saw it stopped fighting long enough to type. “uhhh…WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!”

Hahaha, the stars must have aligned for that one.
What was his reaction?

“skyhammer calibrated to suck!”

I’m sad resources went in this junk troll bait piece of kitten of a map, what where the designers thinking? Don’t they even have the slightest bit of forethought? It’s absolutely key for their jobs.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Shadelang.3012:

Haha gotta share a really short story. Few days ago I entered a match on my longbow ranger and ended up on skyham. I was running up to b when I saw a warrior rushing our homepoint. I fired off a random knockback shot hoping to put him in combat and slow him long enough for our homeguard to get the cap. Lo and behold read the wind+eagle eye saved the day. He started to do the GS whirling movement ability just as the arrow hit and he goes FLYING off the edge. Half of hte players at B that saw it stopped fighting long enough to type. “uhhh…WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!”

Hahaha, the stars must have aligned for that one.
What was his reaction?

Something along hte lines of WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I just got a double kill (by focus 4 Mesmer) and won the game for us

Nothing better as a guardian landing that banish and watching people fly over da edge. Makes me laugh so hard!!! But seriously, this map needs removed from solo q. K thanks anet

It took them nearly 2 years to take out a map. Skyhammer has been in the game about a year give or take, you got another year of suffering at minimum.

entropy.9613:

If Skyhammer is “f in easy” if you’re not “braindead” then the skill ceiling is simple to reach, ergo everyone should be playing at the same level. This is clearly not the case, as evidenced by your ego and all the qq Skyham threads.

In a hypothetical game where everyone is playing Skyhammer at the same level, you will get insta’d as much as you insta others. It’s a level playing field that offers a different challenge and adds a little variety to the standard game type.

BTW, it’s not hard to be a ‘monster’ in a 5v4.

You dont seem to get it…

Smart ppl cry about it because one shotting ppl =/= quality pvp. Not because they suck at it.

Since the competetive scene is incredibly small (partially due to the reason i stated) there are only a few that are try harding. The rest gave up since they thought the game wasnt worth it…..what you have left now is casuals that play once in a blue moon.

If you play vs other decent engis, thieves or w/e you do get instant as much as you instant them. Thats the point….you cant avoid the cheese vs ppl who are remotely decent. I know its hard to imagine it as someone who barely made it in in to the top 1000 on the US ladders.

And… that wasnt a 5v4 … the game was over and 1 left allready -_-. And it was in a game vs and with ppl that are mentioned as top tier in the US.

another 100 posts in less than a week,
we might get to 2000 before GW2’s 2nd birthday!
and still no dev response,
do they honestly think that if they ignore the problem it will simply go away.
the frustration of things like skyhammer are slowly driving people away.
thats right Anet, skyhammer is losing you money.

A daily ‘get rid of that worthless map’ post.

keep skyhammer in the rotation. either adapt , counter, or die. its your choice. you aren’t good at pvp if you can’t learn from the current situation and adapt.

Yesterday night i made an engi for the lulz since this is third account and i don’t really give a kitten, 10 hj games on it just to get a bit used to keybinds and stealth combo and stuff…went soloq (Everyone around 150 ladder)…managed to hold hammer all game and we obviously won and i got like 8 kills just pulling ppl with magnet from stealth and knocking them down with rifle not even running meta build or something just put some bunkerish traits and cleric amulet, no skill required (As i said i only had 10 hj matches exp on engi so…) it’s so reterded i actually won’t use dat kitten again cause it’s just plain exploiting, actually already knew it was easy cheese on engi..but trying it i realized how really reterded it is…a monkey with no hands campering sh with engi can still carry his team i guess…i had to go warrior for tn (Used to main mesmer 1 year ago…old good times when mesmer was still able to defend a point 1v1 and not being a free kill for every thief passing by) and i always said it’s already really braindead but compared to engi on skyhammer war can be considered an epic high skill class…nough said…

Someone with 10 hj matches exp on a class MUST NOT be able to carry a team into a 100-200 ladder match…this is just wrong…remove this kitten already it has no sense

delete the map

3 matches,
3 Skyhammers,
3 4v5s

Anet, I think it’s time to admit you failed terribly with this map and finally get this kittening piece of kitten garbage modakittening map out of the game.

Thanks.

After returning into the game and playing solo queue this map just ruins it for me. I will not solo queue any more and will stick to team arenas instead. Also a lot of 4v5 in this map people just hate the map so much and disconnect leaving our team hopeless and others.

Mandatory “Remove skyham from solo q” post.

Please remove this map from solo queue.

Protest Skyhammer, if it pops up in your q, just alt f4 and actually enjoy your day. Maybe go for a walk or see a movie. All of these experiences are better than dealing with this headache

I remember a red post in this forums saying that Anet’s data showed that Skyhammer was actually a very successful map. I cannot find the link right now but if somebody shares it I’d like to include the quote here.

Anyway, that’s the thoughts from different anonymous Anet workers:

“Upper Management is poor: Some directors and design leads pay more attention to graphs and data then what people both in and outside of the studio are saying, and this often ends up with projects either being poorly prioritized, scoped beyond what a team can handle, or just driven in the wrong direction. The majority of the people driving the studio are severely out of touch with/don’t care about the people in the trenches and the players.”

“Most of the upper management seems disconnected from their employees and the customers. There are a few definite exceptions, however.”

“Advice to Senior Management – Get your nose out of your numbers and charts and graphs, and actually look at and listen to the rest of the studio”

" Upper management seems to be unable or unwilling to change, either because they are ignoring reviews like these or not seeing them. Employees certainly aren’t telling them these things, because they do not want to risk getting on someone’s bad side and losing the political game."

Other opinions that are quite interesting as well:

“Decision to move to Living World (with content updates every two weeks) was not well thought through and poorly implemented. Long hours, meddling from upper management, poor communication from the top who expected epic Hollywood production without investing in new technology or manpower.”

“Production doesn’t schedule teams well: Crunch time lasts far longer than it should, projects end up far out of scope, and deadlines are frequently treated as movable guidelines. Despite the desire to make quality content, a lot of teams are forced to quickly move from project to project, which has resulted in releases far below the quality they deserve.”

“Everything seems one step away from crisis mode.”

More info here:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ArenaNet-Reviews-E255820.htm

Atleast Skyhammer had 17-18k k views on youtube and more ppl playing that particular era , than any cutom arena+observer mode+ leaderboard feature :P

…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3jb6jFW4DQ&list=UUP_FgMqOxp_VsM0UfrL-DxA

From all I keep seeing related to this kind of stuff, and of course we don’t know how much or little truth there is in any of it – to me it seems as if many of the talented people should just abandon the sinking ship, start their own studio and create their own games.

If SM is that far off track/out of touch/delusional, then short of a miracle in understanding happening in their minds, GW2 has absolutely no hope.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Atleast Skyhammer had 17-18k k views on youtube and more ppl playing that particular era , than any cutom arena+observer mode+ leaderboard feature :P

…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3jb6jFW4DQ&list=UUP_FgMqOxp_VsM0UfrL-DxA

So?

Diablo III set a new record for fastest-selling PC game by selling over 3.5 million copies in the first 24 hours of its release.

And it is a game that destroyed the entire saga to their fans.

SoLeciTO.3490:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Atleast Skyhammer had 17-18k k views on youtube and more ppl playing that particular era , than any cutom arena+observer mode+ leaderboard feature :P

…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3jb6jFW4DQ&list=UUP_FgMqOxp_VsM0UfrL-DxA

So?

Diablo III set a new record for fastest-selling PC game by selling over 3.5 million copies in the first 24 hours of its release.

And it is a game that destroyed the entire saga to their fans.

I was actually one of those who got it at launch…worst mistake ever…

If it’s so skilled based, why isn’t it in teamQ?

All I can say is kitten I HATE skyhammer.

Please let me quit once I know it pops in soloqueue

kitten , if at this point, ANet doesn’t do anything to this map after all this complain.
Like has anything else in PvP got to this point of complain?

Just remove it already

Skyhammer is the best!~ Plz, bring it back to teamq like when it first released.

remove
it
from
solo
queue

And do the same to Spirit watch plx

Im literally making ppl quit the game/pvp with this cheesy gameplay.

I guess thats what Anet wants?

What about this really nice pull out of nowhere from my engie on ToL winner Helseth? Guess he needs to learn to position or predict random stealth pulls? Really nice one at 56:50 after that aswell. Guess Anet wants random one shots out of nowehere?

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/b/556634878?t=54m45s

Im considering quiting too after an engie pulled me to death several times

I didn’t queue for a week and half. Just chilled, watched some streams. Collected my thoughts.

Re queued for soloQ. Get Skyhammer 3/5 times. Face nothing but skyham spec engis. The map isn’t fun. The builds it promotes isn’t fun to fight against, even if they dont’ knock you off.

This map is a HOTJOIN MAP. People don’t switch to there skyhammer character in hotjoins because you can’t rejoin your server instantly.

Please. Grouch.

See sig.

Skyhammer should be added to tpvp rotation
It’s a good map that rewards cc based builds
There should even more maps designed to reward certain build types
Such as: a map that rewards very fast mobile characters
Such as: a very vertical map that rewards people who are good at JPs
Such as: a map with environmental effects that rewards bunkier characters
Such as: a map with random items to use that are laying on the ground
Such as: bringing back underwater combat, with a few balances

The game is more fun with different types of play
The thing that most people who complain about GW2 don’t understand is:
GW2 has a firm rock/paper/scissors effect in pvp
Some builds counter other builds but are weak to a certain other build
Some builds are great in some circumstances but bad in others

Skyhammer only catches grief because it is the only remaining “circumstantial” map
And players think it’s imbalanced because it rewards cc builds
Where as the other maps are plain jane and don’t really reward any particular build

Rather than removing Skyhammer, they should add more circumstantial maps
Ones that reward different types of builds, not cc builds
This would add flavor and add to the game’s dynamic

C’mon they wasted like 80% of the resources alloted to them for pvp developtment probably for the year making this map. Theres no way theyre taking it out of rotation. “Sorry boss, we used the 15 bucks you gave us making this map, and now everyone hates it. Were removig it” not going to happen.
I just forget im playing gw2 and immerse myself in the next gen Bomberman thay is skyhammer. Those that had bomberman 64 will understand