Guild Wars 2

Nemiros.3590:

This is my favorite map, please Anet, dont listen to the trolls.

I feel like a troll when I hope on my condition engineer who only has toolkit. I can stealth + pull people off. People that I probably can’t 1v1 because I’m a horrible player (seriously).

I’ve actually pulled off top NA players. It’s ridiculous.

There is no skill. Only people that think that they’re skilled when they hop to there decap builds.

If your argument is “Learn to position / stability” ….. I counter with " 1 mistake should not be instant death". It’s not fun.

Xista.7391:

If your argument is “Learn to position / stability” ….. I counter with " 1 mistake should not be instant death". It’s not fun.

- Stab needs to be timed. Stealth pull means your pull will come out of nowhere = you cant counter it with stab. And stab typically has a longer CD than my pushes and pulls.
- Positioning is irrelevant on sidepoints. I can pull ppl from ledges aswell … and if they los ill wait or pull from the other side. Or wombocombo it with a pull in to a knockback.

What i typically do is wait untill ppl start fighting -> wait for dodge -> pull right after. Like this pull on my eu engi: http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/b/556634878?t=56m47s

Its soooo easy close to uncounterable and works on the best players.

4 months 1184 replies and still not even ONE answer from anet.

REALLY?

Hello

14k views still no answer

mooty.4560:

DanzelOPP.5068:

@mooty try getting this map 3x in a row 4v5. It’s not fun. I play guard on this map for the banish Lols but I got to say playing 4v5 all the time on this map takes all the fun out for both sides. It wasn’t nearly as bad before as it is now. It has gone past the point of ridiculousness where one can expect that atleast one person will drop out. For that reason alone this map should be removed from solo q rotation.
Want to add that I don’t “hate” the map. It makes me laugh a lot. But I do hate playing in a 4v5 even if I am the one on a full team.

4v5 is a reality of sPvP, particularly hot join… it can happen on any map. It’s annoying but the solution to that (should it be completely unacceptable to you) is always to play with people you can count on.

My solution for that problem would be to autobalance that extra person to the losing team. So the losing team will have 5, and the winning team 4. Balances it out a little bit better when the teams are not even.

How can they possibly try to call this esports (LOL) even with those 50k dollars tournaments with devs acting like this…never giving kitten to player’s feedbacks…

wake up, money alone (And not even that big money) can’t turn a game into esport if everything else it’s just plain crap

Plz add skyhammer back to teamQ.

The old school skyhammer haters have all left this world. This new breed and generation of gw2 pvpers luv skyhammer!

kirito.4138:

Plz add skyhammer back to teamQ.

The old school skyhammer haters have all left this world. This new breed and generation of gw2 pvpers luv skyhammer!

This please, this map lets pug groups counter premades better since its about individual skill

Nemiros.3590:

since its about individual skill

Hah! You mean its about players who lack individual skill taking shortcuts and one shotting ppl who are far beyond their skilllevel.

Look at me for example. I posted multiple pictures and vods in this very thread showing how i “dominate” top tier competition on this map.

Not because im good …. but purely because my main class allows me to use uncounterable one shots.

You might find this fun since youre lazy and dont want to improve….but i dont. It doesnt reflect personal skill AT ALL and its really bad for the game as a whole.

Can you please remove this boring and annoying map? There is nothing about skill here, only cannon.

That map with boat at middle was much more pleasant than this one.

P.S. Its not about balance, where there is none.

Skyhammer is the best map in my opinion. It is the only map that does not promote bunker builds and brings that certain “WTF” factor towards pvp. =)

It’s more of a chess match, a battle of wits, vs the battle of faceroll bunker builds.

Apparition.1576:

Skyhammer is the best map in my opinion. It is the only map that does not promote bunker builds and brings that certain “WTF” factor towards pvp. =)

It’s more of a chess match, a battle of wits, vs the battle of faceroll bunker builds.

So focus on bunkers only and forget the rest? Seriously, do you know that Skyhammer instant kill thief? Imagine it….

picture says it all..

http://gyazo.com/ea110b3f3d8eaa70466dc095a9f492fd

Serbianwolf.1652:

Apparition.1576:

Skyhammer is the best map in my opinion. It is the only map that does not promote bunker builds and brings that certain “WTF” factor towards pvp. =)

It’s more of a chess match, a battle of wits, vs the battle of faceroll bunker builds.

So focus on bunkers only and forget the rest? Seriously, do you know that Skyhammer instant kill thief? Imagine it….

With all due respect.. quoted for the irony. =)

It’s only on 1 map out of 6 however, whereas the mentionned builds( i.e combinaisons of hambows and engineers) are able to win rather easily other maps in soloQ( even on skyhammer actually…).

My opinion of skyhammer has changed.

After 1v1ing a Necromancer in the cannon room and beating her after 6 attempts to fear me off of the cliff, I now play Skyhammer for the sole purpose of disappointing people with CC in the Hammer room.

already a thread for this – inb4 merge

Prysin.8542:

already a thread for this – inb4 merge

naaa, dont merge please! Message is clear! Remove this crap map and put back old one for PvP

Also make some normal maps pls, this is boring to play on one-the-same maps.

Serbianwolf.1652:

Can you please remove this boring and annoying map? There is nothing about skill here, only cannon.

That map with boat at middle was much more pleasant than this one.

P.S. Its not about balance, where there is none.

Not that hard to move out of the cannon lazer’s radius. If you are fighting for the cap that long to be hit by it then you are playing it wrong.

BLU took our skyhammer question to gamescon. The answer (and the full video of the other question is in the link below)

They said a lot of people like it and some don’t like it.So i’m wondering

Do you like skyhammer? http://strawpoll.me/2372305
Should skyhammer be removed from soloQ? http://strawpoll.me/2372643

Nemiros.3590:

its about individual skill

can’t stop laughing at this….nice joke man, nice one

Seiishizo.7162:

BLU took our skyhammer question to gamescon. The answer (and the full video of the other question is in the link below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R5eCVjqlJ8#t=37

They said a lot of people like it and some don’t like it.So i’m wondering

Do you like skyhammer? http://strawpoll.me/2372305
Should skyhammer be removed from soloQ? http://strawpoll.me/2372643

And those are the devs who are supposed to work for improving pvp state…may god have mercy on us all….

How can you measure amount of players that “enjoy” skyhammer without any survey? How can you say a lot of people like skyhammer and some don’t when every single poll made in the forum showed the opposite?

Seiishizo.7162:

Do you like skyhammer? http://strawpoll.me/2372305
Should skyhammer be removed from soloQ? http://strawpoll.me/2372643

LOOK ARENANET, LOOK! DO YOU SEE THESE RESULTS? REMOVE IT ALREADY, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

To everyone else dear players, answer is clear. Everyone hates Skyhammer and it obviously sucks hard. Its such a pity they removed boat PvP map, I really liked it :P

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Actions speak louder than words frands! And there have been enough words said in this thread! We must boycott this map! We must boycott solo q! Only when Anet’s fancy shmancy suit wearing executives in their board rooms realize their precious numbers are falling will we finally see change! Please my frands! We must be a united front! Follow Vee Wee’s example! Do not play solo queue! Do not play Skyhammer! Dishonored is but a badge of honor! A badge that says, “Curse you Arenanet! You will not own me! I refuse to play your map!”

#boycottsoloq2014 #boycottskyhammer2014

Wahoo! Be frands!

ArrDee.2573:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Actions speak louder than words frands! And there have been enough words said in this thread! We must boycott this map! We must boycott solo q! Only when Anet’s fancy shmancy suit wearing executives in their board rooms realize their precious numbers are falling will we finally see change! Please my frands! We must be a united front! Follow Vee Wee’s example! Do not play solo queue! Do not play Skyhammer! Dishonored is but a badge of honor! A badge that says, “Curse you Arenanet! You will not own me! I refuse to play your map!”

#boycottsoloq2014 #boycottskyhammer2014

Wahoo! Be frands!

LOL! I surely don’t play Skyhammer nor Arenas. Its nice idea to do so as well for boycott… except these noobs that bought game recently, they will play it without any idea what is it.

Just put 2 simple questions (Like shizo’s strawpolls) on the client login screen instead of all those game news noone reads

SHOULD SKYHAMMER BE REMOVED FROM SOLOQ?
SHOULD SKYHAMMER BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME?

Two options YES and NO, everyone who logs in can vote for it so you’ll see if ppl actually enjoy this crap, 1 vote for account and you’re good to go.

Now tell me, those guys are paid for improving this game…how hard can be doing something like this? It’s just a kittening code on client…it’s not rocket science, stop wasting time adding fancy pve crap and worthless stuff and start using your brain for god’s sake.

oh, i love skyhammer. i just hate the players on it.

it reminds me so much of super mario smash brothers

I usually pray to not get this map, but I think it’s a cool idea. Just way too build specific, might as well recommend you a few builds to pick before going in.

uhoh, this thread went to the second page of the pvp forums, lets fix that:
GET RID OF SKYHAMMER

can we just get a poll to get rid of skyhammer for tpvp?
honestly very few people like to play it
.
i don’t think the devs even listen to the players
anet has one of the worse service when it comes to getting in touch with their players

I still enjoy Skyhammer. Probably my favorite map. I love the complexity of the jump pads and the multi-tiered design, and the fourth control point you need to focus on.

There are only a few key things that I feel need to be changed for it to be viable in a competative scenario. Mainly changes to remove the stealth pull and fear instant deaths, as that is the main problem people have with Skyhammer. The one sided nature of fights with builds that have access to these strategies.

1. Walking over glass panels won’t cause them to break if you are in stealth. Conceptually this makes sense as you’d be stepping lighter as you sneak around, and mechanically this would stop players from standing on the glass while invisible to break them to set up a stealth pull without the intended victim noticing it in team fights. Lets be honest here, almost no one can hear the glass break if you’re fighting with all those animations and sound effects ringing.

2. Make the glass panels take a few more seconds before they break. This will stop fear from ensuring an instant victory on points A and C, and will be a bit more lenient with dodge mistakes. It won’t remove the possibility of a fall death of course, but it’ll make it harder to set up. Either the glass has to have been broken previously or the player who intends to use that tactic will have to break the glass panels mid-battle by standing on them, which would be an obvious telegraph of their intent and be quite risky. The only other way to ensure a fall kill would be to first crowd control an enemy player onto the glass panel and then hit said player with a couple stuns or an immobilize, which itself is a pretty big use of resources and offers multiple chances to ruin the whole plot with a stunbreaker.

3. Make it so fall damage doesn’t count as a kill on the scoreboard. Tactics like this are valid forms of dispatching an opponent, but it’s not a clean kill and should be more of a way of avoiding a long, drawn out battle rather than a quick victory and free points. A backstab thief, upon approaching an elementalist, should weigh in which method would be preferable. If the thief feels they can quickly take down the ele with their normal tactics that should absolutely be preferable from pulling a “Cheap” win to save time and remove risk of a counter attack.

With these changes the instant kill fall damage wins will be much harder to pull off and less rewarding overall, making them less prominent on the map overall and most importantly, more easily countered.

The rest of the complaints are geared toward the Skyhammer. Personally, I like the Skyhammer as is. My main issue with Skyhammer is how easy it is to defend with only a single player in the room, but the bulk of this issue is brought down by the above fixes as a lone terrormancer won’t be able to effectively exploit the glass panels for easy wins anymore. Not to mention that unless you bring an extra bunker to the map you’re either leaving a point undefended that you’d usually want to protect or you control the Skyhammer, not both. Personally, I’ve been in games where the team controlling the Skyhammer lost because they invested too much in it’s defense. It’s a game of choices, and forces players to rethink their strategy.

Just logging in to say this should be removed from solo queue and put in its own stand-alone queue. thanks.

Daily remove from solo que plea.

Yup… The map doesn’t belong in solo or team pvp. Ever.
That said, the map is fun to play when your ranking isn’t on the line..and you like to get a few laughs as you watch a guardian leap in a hole :P

Seiishizo.7162:

They said a lot of people like it and some don’t like it.So i’m wondering

a lot of people = the anet team thats so proud of their developed map

some ppl = at least 3/4 of the community part that expresses itself in the forum

my new strategy

soloQ until I get skyham

leave skyham

keep track of dishonorable stacks

if at 2, i’ll team q.

working for me so far.

this map is still in the game… i learned that today… I’m sad.

No, no, guys, don’t worry – anet said “a lot of people like it.” It’s so true, too, 25 pages of quaint little smiles and praise.

i’ll smile more when skyhammer is dead and buried domino

You people are insane. How can you not like skyhammer. It forces people to change the way they play conquest. Conquest itself is based on pretty boring principles.

I know what you are thinking… but but i like point control defense playstyle. So do i.. in first person shooters..

It takes 0 skill to play bunker builds of any type. Yet this playstyle is encouraged from the standard conquest maps. Skyhammer is the only exception to that rule. Skyhammer is not just a battle of 0 skill bunker players. It is a battle of wits. Its player vs player vs surroundings, it forces to constantly evaluate whats going on around them and react. What is not to like?.. unless you enjoy cheesin it up with your bunker style play.

Rather than posting your QQ I hate skyhammer comments. Try explaining your point of perception and viewpoints.

Alright, cross on my heart, I promis I’ll never queue SoloQ anymore. Better to get steamrolled by premades in TeamQ than play again that map against 4 engineers.

Evan lash said most people like skyhammer and some people hate it.

This proves something else!

http://strawpoll.me/2372643/r

In case anyone missed it, Evan Lesh had this to say about Skyhammer in Vee Wee’s thread:

Skyhammer: Obligatory “Nothing is off the table”. (except deleting skyhammer)

I’m not too happy about the short response considering how many people have voiced their strong opinions about it on this thread, but then again, I’m about to take another break from guild wars 2 and have mostly given up on Skyhammer for now…hopefully when I return it will be fixed but I’m unsure.

Darkk.3018:

In case anyone missed it, Evan Lesh had this to say about Skyhammer in Vee Wee’s thread:

Skyhammer: Obligatory “Nothing is off the table”. (except deleting skyhammer)

I’m not too happy about the short response considering how many people have voiced their strong opinions about it on this thread, but then again, I’m about to take another break from guild wars 2 and have mostly given up on Skyhammer for now…hopefully when I return it will be fixed but I’m unsure.

Maybe because 99% of the skyhammer hate posts they receive fail to elaborate reasons of why they feel the way they do. To be honest it just all seems like rage QQ threads.

Why do you want them to delete skyhammer? Explain.

people die, they rage. easy.

I just had a Guardian repeatedly exploit the glass near one of the points for the entire match, just knocking people into them and breaking them. Heck, I even died WITHOUT falling on top of unshattered glass! Worst part is, they had the audacity to say GG.

Remove the glass, laser cannon and jump pads, and put barriers around the edges. Then Skyhammer will be a map that doesn’t invoke extreme rage.

Apparition.1576:

(…) Explain.

You wrote now , you want an explanation in 2 close up threads.
That reminds me so much of my nephew having a phase where he tended to annoy his parents questioning every single one of his parents decissions/orders whatever with the “spamming” : “explain?!”

In this thread there are enough proper and detailed explanations why this map should not be in SoloQ.
If you are too lazy to seek them out, cause this has become such a megathread I cant help you.

Lavafrost of Maguuma.6807:

I just had a Guardian repeatedly exploit the glass near one of the points for the entire match, just knocking people into them and breaking them. Heck, I even died WITHOUT falling on top of unshattered glass! Worst part is, they had the audacity to say GG.

Remove the glass, laser cannon and jump pads, and put barriers around the edges. Then Skyhammer will be a map that doesn’t invoke extreme rage.

I like the jumpads. It adds an extra dimension to the game. It’s also part of what makes Skyhammer one of the rare maps where not playing full melee gives a considerable enough advantage to compensate for the naturally lower damage.