So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
Lord Ninth \\ Champion Magus
- Primordial Legend Semi-active.
So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
Hey now, there are plenty of people who believe in alien life forms based solely on sketchy photos of questionable light formations in the sky!
If those photos arent proof enough, then there is no room for rational discussion here!
So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
It IS proof. Case closed. All you haters can hate all you want, Anet will nerf this.
So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
It IS proof. Case closed. All you haters can hate all you want, Anet will nerf this.
You’re begging the question again -_-u: Proof of what?
So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
It IS proof. Case closed. All you haters can hate all you want, Anet will nerf this.
You’re begging the question again -_-u: Proof of what?
So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
It IS proof. Case closed. All you haters can hate all you want, Anet will nerf this.
Lol, sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring all the facts doesn’t automatically make it true, it makes you delusional.
Oh, hang on, can I play?
You can clearly see I can do over 300,000 damage. This is an obvious problem that needs to be nerfed.
So a 20K ranged attack is possible, like the OP said. Do you think all the people who have laid on the hate and derided the OP will apologize?
It’s possible but it’s not broken. As you can see.. to land it requires the eight planets to be aligned.
Of course it’s broken. Of course you can (even rather easily) beat a warrior 1v1 even with Gunflame, because it’s easy to dodge.
That doesn’t change the fact that there shouldn’t be an attack that can instantly oneshot basically every build in the game from 1200 range. Getting one-shot out of the blue in a team fight, while you have 40% damage reduction from enhanced protection and about 2600 armor and 18k Health isn’t balanced no matter how underpowered Warriors are.
I can guarantee you didnt have protection. And you probably had vuln stacked on you. And he had max might stacks from external sources. Wouldnt be possible on a celestial ele otherwise.
The screenshot clearly shows me starting Air Overload, which gives 40% protection. Stop trying to argue. I have facts backing me up you’re just spewing hot air.
It doesn’t show you starting air overload. It just shows your air overload doing damage 4 logs back. That doesn’t mean anything. You could’ve completed air overload and it would still show in combat log.
If you’re so confident that you’re right, why not we bet on this? If you can link a video that shows you reproducing those numbers on an ele with protection boon clearly on, and running celestial, I’ll drop 50g for you. If you can’t, 50g from you goes into my pocket. How about it?
If you can’t reproduce it, that just means one thing. You were lying about having protection, as simple as that.
Either that, or you weren’t celestial.
Yeah that’s not how proof works. I don’t have to proof anything, I posted the screenshot showing clear evidence.
Actually the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.
Nobody’s under any obligation to disprove a claim just because someone made it. The screenshot of the damage is the object under scrutiny. It can’t be used as evidence as that the damage occurred isnt in question. Rather what’s in question is the circumstances behind how it occurred.
I don’t care one way or the other, but let’s just be clear on how the burden of proof works. :P
If a screenshot isn’t proof enough than none of this forum makes any sense and we might as well close it down because apparently there is no rational discussion here.
A screenshot may be sufficient proof for other cases but it definitely isnt for yours. Like i said, you screenshot doesnt even show that 1. You had protection 2. That you were still channeling overload which meant that you had protection 3. Whether there were unique circumstances leading to the damage
It IS proof. Case closed. All you haters can hate all you want, Anet will nerf this.
Lol, sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring all the facts doesn’t automatically make it true, it makes you delusional.
Oh, hang on, can I play?
You can clearly see I can do over 300,000 damage. This is an obvious problem that needs to be nerfed.
MAN! WTF IS THAT?! WE NEED NERF! ANET PLEASE NERF TRUE SHOT, IT’S PROVEN SOOO OP! 300k DAMAGE! COME ON
Talk about sticking fingers in your ears and ignoring facts. Just go to a custom arena and do a gunflame with the zerker build (i.e. using all signets and +damage bonuses) against a celestial ele with protection up. You’re gonna hit for 16ish k.
It’s 100% reproducable so YOU GUYS stop sticking fingers in your ears.
Talk about sticking fingers in your ears and ignoring facts. Just go to a custom arena and do a gunflame with the zerker build (i.e. using all signets and +damage bonuses) against a celestial ele with protection up. You’re gonna hit for 16ish k.
It’s 100% reproducable so YOU GUYS stop sticking fingers in your ears.
LOL! And you have ZERO survivability! How is that broken? Dude, just give it up.
Also, you’re NOT going to hit 16k on someone with protection unless you’re extremely lucky and they’re light armor and with no toughness modifiers.
So please take your head out your kitten and actually try and play this build in PvP. In a match. Not on a target dummy.
Talk about sticking fingers in your ears and ignoring facts. Just go to a custom arena and do a gunflame with the zerker build (i.e. using all signets and +damage bonuses) against a celestial ele with protection up. You’re gonna hit for 16ish k.
It’s 100% reproducable so YOU GUYS stop sticking fingers in your ears.
Hello? We know it’s possible to hit 20k. It has already been proven on this thread – even if just against golems in absolute perfect conditions (which are way less probable in an actual pvp match) and only after multiple tries.
What has also been proven and what you seem to wishfully ignore is that to do that THE WARRIOR NEEDS TO USE HIS HEAL, ALL UTILITIES AND ELITE, AND HAS TO HOPE HE’S GOING TO HIT AND CRIT, ALL WHILE BEING GLASSY WITH NO DEFENSE. Everything for a SINGLE. SHOT. And then be useless.
It’s an AWFUL gimmick build that sacrifices everything to build might on yourself and vulnerability on the enemy – and that boon and condition are the MAIN reasons why it can hit that hard. You could build the same amount of might and vulnerability and use some other skill instead of gunflame and reach very similar numbers – which has also been proven in this thread.
Please stop embarassing yourself.
This farce of a thread has been going on for long enough.
It has to start somewhere. It has to start sometime.
What better place than here? What better time than now?
Talk about sticking fingers in your ears and ignoring facts. Just go to a custom arena and do a gunflame with the zerker build (i.e. using all signets and +damage bonuses) against a celestial ele with protection up. You’re gonna hit for 16ish k.
It’s 100% reproducable so YOU GUYS stop sticking fingers in your ears.
So.. remind me again, if it’s reproducable why havent you done it? Is it -gasp-, god forbid, because it actually isnt?Oh the horror, you couldnt be lying, could you?
Lord Ninth \\ Champion Magus
- Primordial Legend Semi-active.
You do realize how many buttons the gun flame warrior has to press right?
f2 then f1? LOL.
Apparently you dont realise how many.
He needs to go in combat first as a defenceless glass cannon build to build the adrenaline he needs.
He needs berserker power buff for 10 sec, which requires him to do a burst skill first.
Than he needs to get his bar full + all buffs needed for the gun flame in those 10 sec.
His heal, elite and all his utilities.
He needs full invuln on target.
Full might.
Crit
and do the attack on a target with close to no dmg reduction.
Otherwise I wont see 20k happen.
I tryed it with ~10-15 stacks of might, 18% invuln + berserker power buff and got 14k-17k crits on light armor golemns.
So there is still some room for additonal dmg buffs.
I can see 20k being able to happen.
Still the attack can be avoided after all that prep and than he is a sitting duck right after.
Or you just interrupt the preperation and make dmg buffs fall off (some fall off rather quick), so the dmg will be quite lower.
Seeing as no warriors (as the only class not present) were in the top teams of EU and NA, I doubt that this build is a real problem OP wise and such.
Its a gimmicky build.
well Heavy armor and high HP pool + regen is kinda good defenses … for a glassy build. some hasn’t that much either.
thief got nothing but stealth … and it was fine for 3 years =D
See, that’s the problem, it’s actually not enough. Go ahead and try playing a settler shoutbow build and see for yourself if you survive longer with tankyness and heals OR stances and a berserker amulet.
well Heavy armor and high HP pool + regen is kinda good defenses … for a glassy build. some hasn’t that much either.
thief got nothing but stealth … and it was fine for 3 years =D
See, that’s the problem, it’s actually not enough. Go ahead and try playing a settler shoutbow build and see for yourself if you survive longer with tankyness and heals OR stances and a berserker amulet.
Now here’s a different discussion path.
Your example is purely relative. If you play a settler shoutbow and never kill anything, and die (eventually), is it stronger and more survivable (strictly speaking) than a zerker with stances that kills its opponent quickly then gets to stand around and wait for him to respawn/run back? Both are means of survival.
I see what you were trying to say. This just wasn’t the way to go about it :)
well Heavy armor and high HP pool + regen is kinda good defenses … for a glassy build. some hasn’t that much either.
thief got nothing but stealth … and it was fine for 3 years =D
See, that’s the problem, it’s actually not enough. Go ahead and try playing a settler shoutbow build and see for yourself if you survive longer with tankyness and heals OR stances and a berserker amulet.
Now here’s a different discussion path.
Your example is purely relative. If you play a settler shoutbow and never kill anything, and die (eventually), is it stronger and more survivable (strictly speaking) than a zerker with stances that kills its opponent quickly then gets to stand around and wait for him to respawn/run back? Both are means of survival.
I see what you were trying to say. This just wasn’t the way to go about it
I get it, you can’t see things in a vacuum, though. It’s why warriors are still UP, there is a perception of “regen+health = good survivability”.
