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sigh. I do kill bunkers as a condi engi. I don’t “counter” multiple eles with a condi engi.

Condi engis are viable, just not against multiple eles.

And everythign I said is true. I literally linked you a build that has everything that I said in it.

And I never said anything about bunker specs. I’m talking d/d eles. Bunker specs are another realm of OP

And for the love of god I don’t play a thief. Jeuss kitten

Ostricheggs.3742:

sigh. I do kill bunkers as a condi engi. I don’t “counter” multiple eles with a condi engi.

Condi engis are viable, just not against multiple eles.

And everythign I said is true. I literally linked you a build that has everything that I said in it.

And I never said anything about bunker specs. I’m talking d/d eles. Bunker specs are another realm of OP

And for the love of god I don’t play a thief. Jeuss kitten

Now you’re talking 1vs group. Learn to coordinate with your team.

All ele skills are melee, even the auras proc from melee. have one distract while others unload burst from range. RTL doesn’t make you damage immune, so once mist form is up it’s GG. Meanwhile they TICKLE you, It’s not hard.

As I said before, the kit on ele is not making it OP, there is a specific trait which is pushing it over the edge on the survival level: Soothing Disruption (cantrips grant regen).

It turns cantrips from escapes into fight resets.

Another thing is op and another thing is requiring no skill..
Ele is kind of op but saying that its low skill floor/ceiling in relation to what is around in the meta atm you are a bit..ignorant.I mean even math wise an ele has to worry about twice as much cds and furthermore the cd of attunements.Also its whole damage is so telegaphed and avoidable.
In a PERFECT universe where ele is PERFECTLY balanced and has to work with everything he has to be as effective as other classes then by design he has a MUCH higher skill cap and skill floor..Dont fool yourself..a warrior for example is up not super hard /amazing skill class to play lol.

Just nerf evasive arcana and water healing to the ground and make pets scaling with ranger stats, as it should be.

Done.

Well, if u read what arena.net wants with the ele, they are overpowered by design, so it’s working as intended .

Archaon.6245:

Just nerf evasive arcana and water healing to the ground and make pets scaling with ranger stats, as it should be.

Done.

No offense here but this topic is getting a complete joke. people giving examples like this is completely a joke. and many more further people above.

eles are overpowered, high end teams will learn to deal with them, there not unbeatable.

obviously since ele is unkillable 1v1 by ANY class (if you die in 1v1 l2p) people just want the class completely nerfing. don’t forget though.. you Nerf this spec and eles aint of much use. since our damage is next to nothing compared to other dps classes.

but with some of the suggestions on this thread why not just delete ele class trololo.
Nerf its heals yes. do you realize it effects EVERY build then? 13k hp ele light Armour walking around with no heals. makes sense.

its not the heals which are overpowered. its everything stacking together, cantrip Regen,signet heal tick, spam evades so much more, becoming more of a joke when this thread is just full of people who don’t know anything about eles and by the looks of it never actually even tried high end tpvp. if your crying about ele in spvp/free torny then gg.

At high end tpvp if you still continue to complain (as short term solution) just send necro + ranger to ele. he will explode in seconds. no ele will counter necro + ranger

Pretty hilarious watching the opinions on certain classes shift.. just 2 or 3 months back probably 80% of people on the forums were complaining ele was weak as a bag of kittens. Now everyone wants them nerfed.

Kylex.5962:

No offense here but this topic is getting a complete joke. people giving examples like this is completely a joke. and many more further people above.

eles are overpowered, high end teams will learn to deal with them, there not unbeatable.

obviously since ele is unkillable 1v1 by ANY class (if you die in 1v1 l2p) people just want the class completely nerfing. don’t forget though.. you Nerf this spec and eles aint of much use. since our damage is next to nothing compared to other dps classes.

but with some of the suggestions on this thread why not just delete ele class trololo.
Nerf its heals yes. do you realize it effects EVERY build then? 13k hp ele light Armour walking around with no heals. makes sense.

its not the heals which are overpowered. its everything stacking together, cantrip Regen,signet heal tick, spam evades so much more, becoming more of a joke when this thread is just full of people who don’t know anything about eles and by the looks of it never actually even tried high end tpvp. if your crying about ele in spvp/free torny then gg.

At high end tpvp if you still continue to complain (as short term solution) just send necro + ranger to ele. he will explode in seconds. no ele will counter necro + ranger

Just so were clear… a bunker spec anything shouldn’t die to a 1v1. End of story. That’s the whole point of a bunker.

^^i play ele and can counter necro /ranger
I counter them by untabbing switching to air and press 4!They dont know what him em !
but according to people rtl should be removed and i should die a miserable death..cause everyones hate eles these days..its like class racism :P

Guts.4967:

So everybody is running 3 ele comp, and it’s god mod in teamfight, we really need the patch to see a balance patch or what ?

Finnally someone is writing on forum about elementalists!!!! i <3 u !!!!
It’ s so boring to play against ellyes and for some obv reasons every teams run with double or triple elly and it’ s so annoying.
+1 !!!!!!

NoWayOuT.7841:

Guts.4967:

So everybody is running 3 ele comp, and it’s god mod in teamfight, we really need the patch to see a balance patch or what ?

Finnally someone is writing on forum about elementalists!!!! i <3 u !!!!
It’ s so boring to play against ellyes and for some obv reasons every teams run with double or triple elly and it’ s so annoying.
+1 !!!!!!

lol finally someone is writing on forum about eles??!!?Where have you been for the past month :P

i couldn ’ t log on forum for an unknow problem so i missed a lot of thing prolly ;D

kostbabis.8791:

^^i play ele and can counter necro /ranger
I counter them by untabbing switching to air and press 4!They dont know what him em !
but according to people rtl should be removed and i should die a miserable death..cause everyones hate eles these days..its like class racism :P

i will start ignoring comments like that due to not even showing on qp ladder. i honestly don’t take into consideration people who do spvp/free torny since i can tank 5v1 with no Armour if you look at it that way.

im talking about fighting against people with a brain.

harsh way of looking at it ^^ but if you took out all stupid comments like this you would have a much better view on things guts.

^ wait you mean my comment or the people that say rtl should be remove..i thought it was obvious i was being sarcastic.
In either case ..why are you all so offencive in this community.Its not like it has grown big yet or super competitive either.Thank god im completely non sensitive to this crap

Wow you guys have convinced me. The ele isnt OP, how stupid of me. I guess teams just run 3 of them for the challenge not because its OP. Half the players in most games being eles is probably really good for the meta. And its really interesting fighting 3 eles every match. I think they should buff eles so they just always have all the boons. Also their healing is way too UP. They need to be able to heal to full every 3 seconds imo.

To those saying if they nerf ele they are quitting: LOL.

kostbabis.8791:

^ wait you mean my comment or the people that say rtl should be remove..i thought it was obvious i was being sarcastic.
In either case ..why are you all so offencive in this community.Its not like it has grown big yet or super competitive either.Thank god im completely non sensitive to this crap

There are kittens on the internet dude :P Better to just ignore them haha (and to not get offended like you said)

Kylex.5962:

kostbabis.8791:

^^i play ele and can counter necro /ranger
I counter them by untabbing switching to air and press 4!They dont know what him em !
but according to people rtl should be removed and i should die a miserable death..cause everyones hate eles these days..its like class racism :P

i will start ignoring comments like that due to not even showing on qp ladder. i honestly don’t take into consideration people who do spvp/free torny since i can tank 5v1 with no Armour if you look at it that way.

im talking about fighting against people with a brain.

harsh way of looking at it ^^ but if you took out all stupid comments like this you would have a much better view on things guts.

Do you show up on the QP boards? Because if you don’t that argument cuts both ways.

Now I know that you are on the QP boards for EU, but his argument is just as legitimate as yours due to the fact that he plays the game and has every right to express his own opinion and experiences.

My own personal experience with playing my bunker ele (now I’m not that awesome at all) is that there are certain specs/classes that can shred me. Now is some of it due to me not being a huge sPvP’er? Sure. But my experiences are legitimate and should be taken into consideration just as much as yours should. The game should be fun for us all and viable for us all.

Now should the elementalist be “nerfed” a bit? Maybe. I do believe that the healing coefficients for the heals need to be tweaked a bit. At the moment we have:

Heal on dodge: 1.0 HP ratio
Dagger #5 (water): 1.0 HP Ratio
Attunement to water: 1.0 HP ratio

And I believe that the GoEH has a 0.75 HP ratio just on the glyph itself (not including the regen scale).

If Anet was to tone down the healing ratio on some of those things then the healing would be brought in line but it has to be done in such a way that bunkering is still an option. No class should beat a bunker on a 1v1 and bringing down those heals needs to be done carefully so that is still true.

sorry if you got offended but there is so many stupid comments on this topic which shouldnt even be here, on top of that all people do is completely flame the ele because of the “triple ele” why not disable counter class then you wouldn’t see it as this major.

eles DO need nerfing. but some of these comments in here are trolol. they have no idea what there talking about, or what to nerf. they think if they take away ele heals it will be all ok, that’s like removing a thief’s stealth.

the question i like to ask some people on this topic is.

which situation are you crying about eles over? hotjoin?

Edit:

responding to person above. fyi a trap ranger can effectively get a full bunker ele down to 10% hp in 1 burst fighting on point (which it would be in the current ele meta)
tone down THEM heals and you get… full bunker (hardly no dps) dying in 1v1
eles are light Armour with 13k hp, don’t forget that.

its the continous protection, 2x armour of earth, signet, permo vigour (spam dodging), cantrips grand regen which is making them currently op. just saying.

Kylex.5962:

sorry if you got offended but there is so many stupid comments on this topic which shouldnt even be here, on top of that all people do is completely flame the ele because of the “triple ele” why not disable counter class then you wouldn’t see it as this major.

eles DO need nerfing. but some of these comments in here are trolol. they have no idea what there talking about, or what to nerf. they think if they take away ele heals it will be all ok, that’s like removing a thief’s stealth.

the question i like to ask some people on this topic is.

which situation are you crying about eles over? hotjoin?

I can agree that some of the suggestions show a lack of understanding of how the elementalist works sure. And I’m sure that Anet wont take into account these suggestions of lets remove RTL or EA as that would make the class completely unviable.

Personally I think the best way is to make the Engineer/Mesmer/Necro the counter classes to the bunker elementalist.

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, condition spamming, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannon thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for standing 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too (I did it after dazelock nerf, it’s your time now)…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not (As it wasn’t for dazelock, and you know, it was really much harder to play than bunker ele)..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian’s spirit weapon autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

Archaon.6245:

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannons thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for being 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

I think you’ll get even more mad when the nerfs you’re hoping won’t come XD

Archaon.6245:

and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it?

lol

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannons thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for being 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

I think you’ll get even more mad when the nerfs you’re hoping won’t come XD

Well if they’re not going to balance them properly i’ll go ele and/or trap ranger also…i didn’t till now cause i don’t want to spend time on something obviously going to be nerfed soon, but if they don’t i’ll probably go for it….not really hard to play, just buy 2 new slots for ranger and ele, going hot join 2 days just to learn how it works (For ele aka memorizing the usual skill rotation, cause it’s all you need to do) and go play. I’m just too lazy to do so right now if i’m not really 100% sure they won’t nerf them..

If d/d eles are so completely easy to play its funny how i can kill most of them 1v1 in paids (im a d/d ele btw).

guza.6170:

Archaon.6245:

and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it?

lol

impressive damage right.

guza.6170:

If d/d eles are so completely easy to play its funny how i can kill most of them 1v1 in paids.

we all know paids are full of random funny ppl right now…last night in fon paid, before match starting i went under other base and killed 4 of them except the bunker guardian, all alone with shatter mesmer…

And believe me, it’s not because i’m so pro or something with mesmer…it was only because they were so dam bad, i mean…really really bad, like hotjoin zerg level or even worse….just saying, our bunker guardian at mid went afk for a cig during the match cause necro solo backup was more than enough to hold it even with afk bunker… In 8vs8 paids that would never happen. Never at all.

Kylex.5962:

guza.6170:

Archaon.6245:

and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it?

lol

impressive damage right.

not impressive, but way more than a guardian for sure..

Well all im saying this are rank 40+ ppl who started playing eles because its the new popular thing right now that died quite easily to another d/d ele (mind u i have been playing d/d ele since beta), it pisses me off to no end i have to listen to ppl all day long how op eles are because so many noobs started playing them, im ok with some balancing but dont go overboard Anet listening to ppl who have no clue wtf they are talking about.

Ive posted months ago how they could improve some of our other trait lines to give us some new options while at the same time slightly nerfing the current water/arcane build…. Ofcourse i got no response from anyone, not even other eles so i stoped trying.

playing since beta also and i agree ^ nerf the correct things rather than ninja nerfing everything

guza.6170:

Well all im saying this are rank 40+ ppl who started playing eles because its the new popular thing right now that died quite easily to another d/d ele (mind u i have been playing d/d ele since beta), it pisses me off to no end i have to listen to ppl all day long how op eles are because so many noobs started playing them, im ok with some balancing but dont go overboard Anet listening to ppl who have no clue wtf they are talking about.

Ive posted months ago how they could improve some of our other trait lines to give us some new options while at the same time slightly nerfing the current water/arcane build…. Ofcourse i got no response from anyone, not even other eles so i stoped trying.

As i said evasive arcana + water is the real problem for bunker eles, aswell as non scaling pets for rangers… everything else is fine imo, dps eles are kinda ok…never said to tone them down, you can pretty much counter them as every other dps class…if they have mist form on cd they go down like everyone else..

incorrect. once again. because we heal alot you automatically assume that its water skills + evasive arcana lol.

Edit: heads up for all eles btw.

after this patch depending on nerfs. the class will be completely useless, nobody would take ele for dps (may as well take Mesmer) and even as dps ele the heals will have lowered even more.

Kylex.5962:

incorrect. once again. because we heal alot you automatically assume that its water skills + evasive arcana lol.

Edit: heads up for all eles btw.

after this patch depending on nerfs. the class will be completely useless, nobody would take ele for dps (may as well take Mesmer) and even as dps ele the heals will have lowered even more.

I know it’s all bout boons up all the time too…but water and evasive arcana is the fastest way to go rather than touching boons here and there or nerfing 80% boon duration rune’s combination and stuff. Toning down traits it’s more effective that messing up with all boon’s mechanic, that would maybe lead to some other umbalanced combinations imo…just facing someone who cant just roll and heal+remove condition while eventually healing hard with normal weapon’s skills would be enough for me….

the whole game balance needs re-work in that case. so many things are OP (from an ele perspective) since everything hits us so hard lol.
3k mind wrack per illusion
9k backstabs
8k whirlwind attacks
ect.

but yeah. this update upcoming will probably destroy eles completely.
so everybody can start crying about mesmers-thiefs again

My main issue with ele is cond removal. WAAAYYY to much access to this and the traits that help them remove conditions have no real cd. Cond builds are 100% useless to a good ele, power builds have to struggle as well since ele can heal massive amounts without even full spec in healing (2 regenerations and small burst heals constantly, yeah…). I agree some other professions need tweaks as well for balance, but ele is of major concern.

Power builds can deal with D/D ele, but cond removal needs to be reworked on ele. Only thing my thief can do is outlive an D/D ele long enough for a teamate to come by and help, which usually leads to that ele running away quicker than anyone can catch up to.

Daharahj.1325:

Eles are hard to pick up but easy to master. They’re neither OH HIGH SKILL CAP or completely noob friendly.

If you think ele is easy to master, then you’re no where near mastering it.

If you can do everything in Zoose’s D/D guide then you have reached journeyman status, but there’s a lot more to learn after the basics.

Kylex.5962:

i will start ignoring comments like that due to not even showing on qp ladder.

No offense, but being good at the game doesn’t necessarily mean that you understand all of the fine details, and being bad or average doesn’t mean that you don’t.

A fighter pilot can do amazing things in a modern jet, but he couldn’t design one of those aircraft to save his life.

I’m not agreeing with what he’s saying (he’s rather clueless), but saying that someone’s opinion is invalid because they don’t want to grind QP is simply wrong.

But saying that someone’s opinion is invalid because they don’t want to grind QP is simply wrong.

idc about qp. qp mean nothing to me. the fact is. if hes not even on the leaderboard, that shows me hes been doing spvp or free torny.
and both of those require 0 skill. if you disagree with me, then why not let the wvw people get involved in balance for pvp.

Caffynated.5713:

Daharahj.1325:

Eles are hard to pick up but easy to master. They’re neither OH HIGH SKILL CAP or completely noob friendly.

If you think ele is easy to master, then you’re no where near mastering it.

If you can do everything in Zoose’s D/D guide then you have reached journeyman status, but there’s a lot more to learn after the basics.

Kylex.5962:

i will start ignoring comments like that due to not even showing on qp ladder.

I’m not agreeing with what he’s saying (he’s rather clueless), but saying that someone’s opinion is invalid because they don’t want to grind QP is simply wrong.

What was i saying?? pilot !read again and gear up with sarcasm understanding skills! :P
But you are right on the rest with a huge example being the same the devs.Its not uncommon to have devs suck at their own game

kostbabis.8791:

What was i saying?? pilot !read again and gear up with sarcasm understanding skills! :P
But you are right on the rest with a huge example being the same the devs.Its not uncommon to have devs suck at their own game

I understood what you were saying, I just messed up and worded it wrong. It should read “I’m not agreeing with what they’re saying (they’re rather clueless).”

“They” being these people:

but according to people rtl should be removed and i should die a miserable death..cause everyones hate eles these days..its like class racism :P

Archaon.6245:

guza.6170:

If d/d eles are so completely easy to play its funny how i can kill most of them 1v1 in paids.

we all know paids are full of random funny ppl right now…last night in fon paid, before match starting i went under other base and killed 4 of them except the bunker guardian, all alone with shatter mesmer…

And believe me, it’s not because i’m so pro or something with mesmer…it was only because they were so dam bad, i mean…really really bad, like hotjoin zerg level or even worse….just saying, our bunker guardian at mid went afk for a cig during the match cause necro solo backup was more than enough to hold it even with afk bunker… In 8vs8 paids that would never happen. Never at all.

I would be careful what you say about the standard of people in paids. There is matchmaking which matches you against people of your standard. Thus if you are against people who you consider “bad” often then it means you yourself are “bad” by your own definition because your true ranking will be similar to theirs or you wouldnt of got matched up.

Tl;dr.. you owned yourself.

Archaon.6245:

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannons thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for being 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

I think you’ll get even more mad when the nerfs you’re hoping won’t come XD

Well if they’re not going to balance them properly i’ll go ele and/or trap ranger also…i didn’t till now cause i don’t want to spend time on something obviously going to be nerfed soon, but if they don’t i’ll probably go for it….not really hard to play, just buy 2 new slots for ranger and ele, going hot join 2 days just to learn how it works (For ele aka memorizing the usual skill rotation, cause it’s all you need to do) and go play. I’m just too lazy to do so right now if i’m not really 100% sure they won’t nerf them..

There is no “normal skill rotation” on eles, you have been playing that low skill floor thief profession for too long..not everything is F1-2-2-2-2….shame for you really, going an ele you may actually learn to play

Guts.4967:

Kylex.5962:

like absolutely nothing an ele can do. he can run away but then all hes achieved is nothing since they cap the point anyway.

It’s true, but since you need 2 people to obligate him to run away…

Kylex.5962:

Archaon.6245:

Just nerf evasive arcana and water healing to the ground and make pets scaling with ranger stats, as it should be.

Done.

No offense here but this topic is getting a complete joke. people giving examples like this is completely a joke. and many more further people above.

eles are overpowered, high end teams will learn to deal with them, there not unbeatable.

obviously since ele is unkillable 1v1 by ANY class (if you die in 1v1 l2p) people just want the class completely nerfing. don’t forget though.. you Nerf this spec and eles aint of much use. since our damage is next to nothing compared to other dps classes.

but with some of the suggestions on this thread why not just delete ele class trololo.
Nerf its heals yes. do you realize it effects EVERY build then? 13k hp ele light Armour walking around with no heals. makes sense.

its not the heals which are overpowered. its everything stacking together, cantrip Regen,signet heal tick, spam evades so much more, becoming more of a joke when this thread is just full of people who don’t know anything about eles and by the looks of it never actually even tried high end tpvp. if your crying about ele in spvp/free torny then gg.

At high end tpvp if you still continue to complain (as short term solution) just send necro + ranger to ele. he will explode in seconds. no ele will counter necro + ranger

I’m totally agree with you Kyle, but since you are obligate to change the meta to win i don’t think it’s normal, i mean, it’s ok for example if you play euro comp and play against 3 ele comp your winrate is something like 60%, but when you need to be 2 X more skilled to win, and doing no errors in one game to win, it means that it’s unbalanced.

This game shouldn’t be only a comp game. If i see a 3 ele comp i don’t want to relog my character with ranger/necro to win, i just want that it can be possible with every comp, maybe with some comp it can be a bit harder to win, but still posible. That’s what i’m talking about.

It’s not unbalanced! It’s called “balanced team VS cheesy team”!
Now the balanced team is made up in a way that every situation can be dealt with including situations where you face cheesy team composition ( E.G 3x profession X + 2x profession Y), the catch is that the balanced team must be more skilled in order to beat the cheesy comp, the main disavantage of cheesy team compositions is that they can be easily dealt with if running a pure counter team while there are naturally no counters for a skilled balanced team ( made of multiple professions).

The main reason why teams run cheesy builds is because they don’t reach the level required by balanced team which are far superior in adaptability.
The development line for any team always follows the same structure:
cheesy—→balanced.

The best example that come to my mind is GW1 team spikes with triple ranger or triple warrior or 5 air eles invoke, all these cheesy teams would always lose to the best bala team ([VeGi] guild).

Now you won’t solve anything coming here and complain…after double/triple ele something else will come out, maybe triple ranger and triple engineer…whatever the new cycle of buffs/nerfs bring, in the end you will never stop people from running cheesing team composition and unless you get better yourself and beat them with balanced strategies…you’ll never beat them at which point your only option is to start running a cheesy team also

With every cycle of buffs/nerfs, something become UP and something else become OP and people will of course gather to the OP wagon creating new cheesy build comps, unless you have a game with a single profession and 8 different skins…

In the end people can celebrate all they want when ele get nerfed to oblivion but do you think that this will stop teams from using the next OP thing which will come out as a result of the buff/nerfs?

Junkpile.7439:

Well there is something wrong in game mode if main thing is just stay alive inside circle.

Nah, people would rather complain about a certain class. They are much much easier to tweak and deal with compared to game modes.

Arheundel.6451:

In the end people can celebrate all they want when ele get nerfed to oblivion but do you think that this will stop teams from using the next OP thing which will come out as a result of the buff/nerfs?

I think it’s the way almost all MMORPGs run unfortunately.

But a better scenario would be an emerging counter cheesy build to the current cheese build regardless of nerfs/buffs. Now, THAT would be interesting.

Anyway, let’s just bet on what the next cheesy comp is after the ele nerf which I sense everyone is craving for based on the emerging threads in this forums, shall we?

Shar.3402:

5 eles vs 5 eles is the way
infinite matches ending like 10-5 with all 3 points perma-uncapped.

This is legitimately hilarious.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Shar.3402:

5 eles vs 5 eles is the way
infinite matches ending like 10-5 with all 3 points perma-uncapped.

This is legitimately hilarious.

Which made me wonder. Why is this cheese build not being utilized and only 2 to 3 eles? What would be its weaknesses?

Eles are ok. Make the aoe radius 10% lower and it is done.

It’s not a random kitten QQ thread like everyone continually makes it out to be.

My suggestion is to make it so that eles teammates receive a diminished (50% or so) amount of heals from their heals and make it so that ride the lightning can only be used when you have someone targeted. Oh, and make frost aura last 4 seconds.

They have one of the weakest DPS’ in the game sans firegrab, but it’s far made up for by their sustain, CC and roam speed. I don’t mind the sustain and CC, but to be able to heal teammates as well as themselves up to full AND have the fastest roam speed is just too much.

And I really have no idea what to do about bunker eles. I haven’t seen em played enough and well enough on NA to speculate about em

Some of the nerf requests in this thread are ridiculous, and will only force the remaining eles into the D/D bunker builds. :/
gg

Ostricheggs.3742:

and make it so that ride the lightning can only be used when you have someone targeted.

Man why is it so hard to imagine how that change would destroy the class alone..Rtl is the only mobility ele has to move around the map.
You want to put the second highest mobility class in game at the very bottom with necro and mesm(d/d ele mid fight with signet heal has less swift than mesm with focus and the only saving grace is rtl).
Also rtl operates at 1200 range.In spvp the way maps are designt 90% of the times there are kitten like rocks or the “walls” of a node between you and your target.Rtl travels in a mostly straight line and still gets stuck to big objects that are blocking the way.
At last you are presented with the problem of d/d.A melee setup( with possibly nerfed heals) that would then had many ways to close the gap and fight at melee range but NONE to disengage..
Not to mention that even pure bunker builds wouldnt work since you would be as slow as a guardian (till you target someone and bug yourself ona rock) on the initial swiftness plus you would never make it to the far point before its already capped..then with no node control like guardian you can’t neutralise and the whole ele bunker due to lack of speed is completely abandoned..
That would be a sad end for the class for the builds with dagger offhand..but maybe people would flock onto staff builds again or focus.Not to mention that you would get a rebellion by the pve community assuming the changed carried over

Kylex.5962:

the whole game balance needs re-work in that case. so many things are OP (from an ele perspective) since everything hits us so hard lol.
3k mind wrack per illusion
9k backstabs
8k whirlwind attacks
ect.

but yeah. this update upcoming will probably destroy eles completely.
so everybody can start crying about mesmers-thiefs again

WHATCHU TALKIN BOUT? People still do whine about mesmers… A lot.