Guild Wars 2

Dire in spvp, and dire stat jewels in pve wvw.

I don’t think Dire should have ever existed XD Why do you make a stat set that is both a bunker (Vitality Toughness) and the only bunker counter (Condition Damage)?

No wonder other stat sets have no real room in WvW. Either you are Condition damage yourself or you cannot kill them. If you Condition but not Dire, you’ll get killed by the few Power builds left around instead. Power builds that are only good to kill that and themselves in the first place.

Power (Main)
Precision
Toughness

And jewels with ferocity (cirt dmg) as full secondary (or even main) like:
Power (Main)
Precision
Ferocity

like the PVE berserker or assassin gear.

So you can pump it up if you took an amulet without ferocity. Today’s it’s only 5%

Dear Anet, long time you promote build diversity and new types of game Spvp for the future ; U are continuing to balance the classes (which I agree), you have finally realized that: while the various builds were changing, the first runes have become outdated (or at least in large part), however, far from new synergies that have been created over time. Now hoping that you continue to balance the classes in order to obtain a reasonable and competitive PvP( maybe dreaming), what is the problem of stats?? put them all? increase the available combinations dividing the gigantic amulet in more parts? believe would help to refine the various builds.
I hope that this post can be constructive.
hello, 1 pvp player.

condition – main
toughness + vit – secondairy

also condition duration would be great to have as a third stat like crit dmg for serker

I would love to see boon/ condition duration stats as secondary in gear. It would also open room for squishier support or control builds.

Squishier condi-builds
Condition Damage (main)
Condition Duration
Toughness (not vitality) and Precision (halfway both)

Power builds with better condi-control
Power (main)
Condition Duration
Toughness/ Vitality/ Precision/ Ferocity

Squishier support builds
Healing Power (main)
Boon Duration
Vitality (not toughness) or Precision

Power builds tailored for offensive buffs
Power (main)
Boon Duration
Toughness/ Vitality/ Precision/ Ferocity

Condi builds tailored for offensive/ defensive buffs
Condition Damage (main)
Boon Duration
(Something)

And even, for might-stacking hybrid builds
Boon Duration (main?)
Power
Condition Damage

Before adding new stats combo I would love to see an increased stat split between the accessory and the jewel,

Right now it is:
Primary: 798/125
Secondary: 569/75
Tertiary: 284/45

It’s more or less a 87/13% split, it’s a little low to mean something in the build. I think that a 75/25% can help a lot the builds who need a little more vitality or precision to work out.

It would look like this:
Primary: 692/231
Secondary: 483/161
Tertiary: 247/82

Second point would be adding few more Jewel combinations to fine tuning the stats.
For each of the six (now seven) stats it would be nice to have at least two choices with the stat as major in the jewel, ether more offensive/defensive or condi/power based.

Then we could start to evalutate which stats are needed in the amulet.
If ferocity adds like extra power in the crits i would like to see a

FEROCITY
precision
healing power

to use on a proc on crit wacky build XD

Josh Davis.6015:

Ferocity will be in PvP – it will be weighted to keep the critical damage numbers relatively the same as they are now.

Leaves me with the question why they are only going to stay ‘relatively’ the same and not exactly.

If you need for 1% f.e. 14 ferocity, then you can achieve the same critdamage modifier with multiples of 14, or am I getting something wrong here?

Anyway… I’d love to see the knights stat combination (Primary Power, Secondary Precision and Toughness) in SPvP.

Edit: Just wanted to add, that I don’t want to see any new stat combination which has two out of the three def stats (Toughness, Vitality, Healing Power).

+798 Power
+569 Precision
+569 Ferocity

Power damage needs to have more options. Even for a trade off of losing the vitality.

Actually all the trinkets we have now seem good to me. I play TPvP regularly atm and it feels rather balanced. Nearly all classes have their uses, either condi, direct, stunning, bunkering, group support. What it revolves around in most games I play is tactical point-capping and keeping a heavy pressure on enemies. I’m happy with the game as it is now, no need to bring new amulets that imbalance it.

Can we PLEASE get barbarian stats in PvE?

I know this is Pvp forums

I bet we ll get dire in PvP.

We all know how good ANet is in finding that one thing nobody in PvP wants and then implement it.

Magi would be nice to have.

284 Power
569 Precision
284 Vitality
798 Healing Power

remove amulets

give everyone points (with a max) they can put in to:

Power, Precision, ferocity,heal,thoughness,vita, condidamage … whatever i forgot

give this stats a cap so ppl cant do all points in one stat

done

you never will have to care for amuletts anymore and people are happy for max individual on there character

thx me later

Josh Davis.6015:

Ferocity will be in PvP – it will be weighted to keep the critical damage numbers relatively the same as they are now.

Awesome! Thanks for clarifying. As it happens, many of us believe Ferocity can be a great start to solving the Power-Creep issue.

Looking forward to the update, then!

Romek.4201:

remove amulets

give everyone points (with a max) they can put in to:

Power, Precision, ferocity,heal,thoughness,vita, condidamage … whatever i forgot

give this stats a cap so ppl cant do all points in one stat

done

you never will have to care for amuletts anymore and people are happy for max individual on there character

thx me later

I’d personally love this, and asked for something SIMILAR, but alas, they actually specifically said they don’t want players to have that much freedom. My idea would be something like this:

Remove Amulets

Add Rings with 1 stat. They are unique. So you can’t use 2 of the same stat ring (Rings would have I believe it was like 550 stats?)

then each jewel is also unique worth something like 250 stats. So you could stack 2 stats, or totally mix and match.

I don’t remember the actual numbers, it has been a while since I did the math, but essentially stat #s would stay the same, but you could chose your 2 primaries, and 2 secondaries, and stats overall would be a little lower per stat (couldn’t reach as high of power/healing/condi/toughness) individually to bring builds ever so slightly closer to a medium, less bunky bunkers, less bursty bursters, but the change would be minimal and a step toward balance and more stat freedom. This would also be a step to eliminate 2 second fights and infinitely lasting fights. But the idea was shot down because too much freedom of stats would mess with balance/the meta.

Romek.4201:

give everyone points (with a max) they can put in to:

Power, Precision, ferocity,heal,thoughness,vita, condidamage … whatever i forgot

give this stats a cap so ppl cant do all points in one stat

done

We already have that. It’s called trait points. It has been already mentioned a lot.

stof.9341:

Romek.4201:

give everyone points (with a max) they can put in to:

Power, Precision, ferocity,heal,thoughness,vita, condidamage … whatever i forgot

give this stats a cap so ppl cant do all points in one stat

done

We already have that. It’s called trait points. It has been already mentioned a lot.

That’s not the same… We take traits not for stats but the traits… For instance I’d love to not have crit damage on my bunk guardian in exchange for something else, that wasn’t my decision, its just a side-effect of taking the traits I need. Stat freedom is being able to allocate your gear stats how ever you want.

My mesmer really wants some knights gear in pvp. Make it happen please =)

Stat combos I would like to see in PvP:
- Magi (798 Healing Power, 569 Precision, 569 Vitality)
- Assassin (798 Precision, 569 Power, 569 Ferocity[or crit damage, whatever])
- Knights (798 Toughness, 569 Power, 569 Precision)

Whatever you do ANet, please, PLEASE, do not add Dire, that would throw PvP into a massive condition bunker meta (even worse than it is now), and make PvP even more boring than it already is.

Celestial would be nice

Malediktus.9250:

Celestial would be nice

Did you ever check the PvP vendor or was the amulet removed recently without me noticing?

I’ll give 5g to anyone who can make a good altruistic healing build with magi runes, just for fun!

stof.9341:

Malediktus.9250:

Celestial would be nice

Did you ever check the PvP vendor or was the amulet removed recently without me noticing?

Celestial in pvp is nowhere near as good as celestial in pve.

stof.9341:

Malediktus.9250:

Celestial would be nice

Did you ever check the PvP vendor or was the amulet removed recently without me noticing?

It’s terrible and needs to be reworked. Nobody uses it.

I would love to see Power/Toughness/Healing in PvE and PvP.

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

stof.9341:

Malediktus.9250:

Celestial would be nice

Did you ever check the PvP vendor or was the amulet removed recently without me noticing?

Celestial in pvp is nowhere near as good as celestial in pve.

That’s … a different issue altogether. On that note, just wait until the crit damage changes are implemented and we’ll see how good the PvE Celestial is

stof.9341:

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

stof.9341:

Malediktus.9250:

Celestial would be nice

Did you ever check the PvP vendor or was the amulet removed recently without me noticing?

Celestial in pvp is nowhere near as good as celestial in pve.

That’s … a different issue altogether. On that note, just wait until the crit damage changes are implemented and we’ll see how good the PvE Celestial is

We already know it will be terribad in pve. Currently, Celestial is overbudgeted in regards to crit dmg. With the change to ferocity, the crit dmg will drop by a huge ammount. For example the ascended celestial GS has 11% crit dmg. With the change to ferocity, the GS will now give 83 ferocity. A Berserker GS on the other hand has a current 10% crit dmg which will convert to 134 ferocity.

Ppl asking for full customizability are nuts, we would just end up with a bunch of dire and healing/toughness/vitality builds.

Giving too much freedom actually LIMITS diversity

Personally, I’ve been wanting to see the following:

Power (primary)
Condition damage (secondary)
Vitality (secondary)

That way you can have condi damage without going into full conditions.

I’d like to see:

#1: Power (primary), Precision & Toughness (secondary):
+798 Power
+569 Precision
+569 Toughness

#2: Power (primary), Condition Damage & Toughness (secondary)
+798 Power
+569 Condition Damage
+569 Toughness

#3: Power (primary), Toughness (secondary), Precision & Vitality (Tertiary):
+798 Power
+569 Toughness
+284 Precision
+284 Vitality

+Power
+Crit
+Vitality
+Toughness
+condition damage

aka, +Warrior

BlackBeard.2873:

MOST OF ALL: A greater split between amulet/jewel. Something like 60/40 or even 50/50. As an ele, there are a few builds I can’t make b/c I will be unable to get a mix of toughness/vit that is acceptable, so I usually end up going full-glass. More ways to build balanced would be great.

This. There’s enough stat combos already – the problem is the stat weighting of amulet to jewel is too high. Jewels should have a higher proportion of stats.

Alternatively, reworking the system for amulet + 2 jewels would also give a lot more freedom, but I presume rebalancing the amulet:jewel stat weighting would be much easier.

i’d like them to buff rampager amulet. i don’t htink anyone uses that thing.

New sPvP Amulets Stat’s
One thing I notice is unlike Berserker in PvE (Power, Precision, Ferocity(critical damage)) the Berserker Amulet in sPvP includes Vitality in the stat combination. For low tier health professions in sPvP this Vitality is required. I believe the Berserker amulet would not be viable for these profession in sPvP otherwise. As such I would like more stat combinations that include vitality;

• Primary; Precision, Secondary; Condition Damage, Secondary; Vitality
• Primary; Healing Power, Secondary; Precision, Secondary; Vitality
• Primary; Ferocity, Secondary; Precision, Secondary; Vitality

I would also like to see more stat combinations like Rampager’s Amulet that include four stat combinations;

• Primary; Healing Power, Secondary; Power, Thirdly; Toughness, Thirdly; Vitality
• Primary; Vitality, Secondary; Precision, Thirdly; Power, Thirdly; Boon Duration
• Primary; Condition Duration, Secondary; Power, Thirdly; Toughness, Thirdly; Vitality
• Primary; Ferocity, Secondary; Precision, Thirdly; Power, Thirdly; Vitality

Also is there any chance that jewels stat could have a larger impact. Jewels maximum stat value 284. So instead of four stat combinations jewels could fill this roll.

Cavaliers
Knights
Rampagers

+569 Power
+569 Toughness
+569 Healing power
+284 Precision

+569 Power
+284 Precision
+284 Toughness
+798 Ferocity

+569 Power
+284 Precision
+284 Condition Damage
+284 Toughness
+569 Ferocity

Josh Davis.6015:

Ferik.3127:

Josh Davis.6015:

When providing suggestions, keep in mind that we’d like to bring over existing stat combinations that exist in PvE/WvW already, but that doesn’t necessarily rule-out creating brand new stat combos. As we mentioned on Ready Up on Friday, the addition of ferocity could open up new combinations with critical damage as the heaviest stat.

Just something to keep in mind!

Got a question if you will, Josh. Lord Helseth mentioned on his TwitchTV (as well brought up by you guys at the first part of the Ready Up) Ferocity won’t actually make it into PvP. This means it will only stay in PvE/WvW and we PvPers are still left with Precision, thus thinking up new Amulets using Ferocity is a waste of time.

Is this true?

Ferocity will be in PvP – it will be weighted to keep the critical damage numbers relatively the same as they are now.

what about WvW ?

I added some combinations that I find lacking. Some of them catering to low health professions who’re missing solid options. They will still be usable by all professions.

Important Alternative to Valkyrie’s Amulet
+798 power
+569 vitality
+284 ferocity
+284 healing

Important Alternative to Cleric’s Amulet
+569 power
+284 toughness
+284 vitality
+798 healing

Important Alternative to Soldier’s Amulet
+798 power
+284 vitality
+284 toughness
+569 precision

Alternative to Carrion’s Amulet
+798 power
+569 vitality
+569 condition

Hybrid Damage Dealer (high risk/reward)
+798 power
+569 condition
+284 precision
+284 ferocity

Hybrid Damage Dealer (condition focus)
+569 power
+284 precision
+284 toughness
+798 condition damage

Dedicated Healer
+284 precision
+284 toughness
+569 vitality
+798 healing

for my elementalist i would love something like:
support dmg hybrid
798 power
569 healing
284 vita
15% crit dmg
or
hybrid
798 power
284 healing
284 vita
284 toughness
15% crit dmg
or
offensive hybrid
798 power
284 precision
284 vita
284 healing
15% crit dmg

would be awsome to get amuletts with theese stats, and i guess they would help elementalists a lot

Knight gear. Want it.

Power, Precision, Toughness.

Gimme Gimme. Rawr.

The new Zealot stats plz!

798 power
569 healing
569 precision

or

798 power
569 healing
284 vit
284 prec

Power
Precision
Healing

lets make my zerker war even more of a tank XD

also an interesting one would be
precision
healing
crit damage

Brando.1374:

Dire amulet
798 condi dmg
569 vit
569 toughness

Dire Jewel
125 condi dmg
75 vit
75 toughness

Dire would ruin PvP imo

Healing power
Vitality
Toughness

We need setups the most supportive as possible for new game modes. Also healer guardians. Something not dps to heal npcs (lords) constantly and allies.

+968 toughness
+968 condi dmg

798 power
569 precision
569 healing power

This would allow a trade off for extra sustain instead of damage for both guardian and elementalists, something which would increase build diversity and potentially allow the elementalist a style of play it needs to be valuable in spvp.

798 power
569 power
569 power

Needs more power.

Tyler Chapman.1832:

Assuming all combos and gear were brought over what would be your list of “yes’s” and “no’s”

I don’t pve so I’ll don’t know all the available stat combinations there so I’ll use http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Equipment_acquisition_by_stats as a guide. So if I get any combination names wrong, blame the wiki

Assassin sounds like a reasonable all-out alternative to berserker, yes to pvp.

Cavaliers. Yes to pvp. Would be nice for builds that don’t go into their classes crit damage tree.

Givers. Don’t know if this counts because the wiki lists it as only available to chest armor? Anyway, boon duration on pvp amulet? OMG YES PLEASE!

PVE Knight stats would be awesome in pvp.

Dire. Oh gawd please no. Conditons are already everywhere in pvp and way too rampart, and bursty. Condition spammers don’t need all the defensive stat + their only needed offensive stat on an amulet.

Winter. Again boon duration. YES PLEASE.

Magi. I’m not sure if I could ever come up with a build that would want these 3 stats on amulets. Don’t honestly care if they come to pvp.

Apothecary. Settlers with healing power main instead of toughness. Intriguing. Would like in pvp.

Celestial. I’m not sure if PVE celestial stuff gives more stats overall than the pvp amulet, but PVP celestial could really need a buff to stats, especially power which is extremely low with the amulet.

I play ele if it matters.

Assassin: Yes to PvP, would encourage builds that are not bunker or condition based.

Cavaliers: Yes to PvP, might open up some more builds.

Knight: Yes to PvP.

Dire: NO to PvP. NO NO NO! This would encourage more bunker condition builds, which are already too powerful.

Magi: Yes to PvP, could see this opening up new avenues for Guardians.

Apothecary: Yes to PvP, basically Settlers with healing power instead of toughness.