Guild Wars 2

Shirlias.8104:

4 stats is ok

3 main stats and 1 off stat, like expertise, concentration,ferocity ( so we will be far enough from another mass celestial user wave ).

No jewels.

no. not enough.
again, 5 stats is not 7 stats.

the highest stats will be two 900, not 1050 or 1200.
other 3 stats will only be 560.

Shirlias.8104:

4 stats is ok

3 main stats and 1 off stat, like expertise, concentration,ferocity ( so we will be far enough from another mass celestial user wave ).

No jewels.

btw the two new “off stats” expertise and concentration are not very useful. only situational.

expertise is rendered useless by condition removal and immunity.
concentration is rendered useless by boon removal, corruption, stripping etc.

I hope celestial fakes or 5 stats necks will never see the light.

if you can’t chose a role and pretend to play again an hybrid, well, enjoy.

edit: btw, forget vitality as secondary stat.

Shirlias.8104:

I hope celestial fakes or 5 stats necks will never see the light.

if you can’t chose a role and pretend to play again an hybrid, well, enjoy.

edit: btw, forget vitality as secondary stat.

why not?
why forget vitality?

what is your problem ????

Cause celestial is the cause players are unable to learn how to play, and casual spam instead learn to watch enemy actions or use properly their cd.

The perfect example lies within tempests ( and other classes which have good healt pool and good sustain ).

You wan’t 5 stats?
Power, Condition,Toughnes,Precision,Healing.

Here’s back the kittenin celestial.
And still i say, NEVER.

Chose 3 primary stats, 1 secondary ( all new necks have vitality, which is always good ) and play.

ps: I said i forget vitality as secondary stats, there’s nothing hard to understand if you see my previous post when i wrote about 4stats necks.

More amulets, with 5 unique stats on each?

I would rather say, in PvP should be at most 9 different amulets:

• 3x for damage dealer,
• 3x for bruiser/tank,
• 3x for support.

This is the only way we could have some kind of balance in here. Balacing things with 100 different amulets is literarly impossible; unless all of them are almost identical, but then why so many?

and finally shown up some1 who put balance over diversity.
brofist

Shirlias.8104:

Cause celestial is the cause players are unable to learn how to play, and casual spam instead learn to watch enemy actions or use properly their cd.

The perfect example lies within tempests ( and other classes which have good healt pool and good sustain ).

You wan’t 5 stats?
Power, Condition,Toughnes,Precision,Healing.

Here’s back the kittenin celestial.
And still i say, NEVER.

Chose 3 primary stats, 1 secondary ( all new necks have vitality, which is always good ) and play.

ps: I said i forget vitality as secondary stats, there’s nothing hard to understand if you see my previous post when i wrote about 4stats necks.

wrong!
bad example!
because i dunno how to play tempest!
so you are wrong!

no. celestial is 7 stats.
5 stats is 5 stats.

vitality alone without toughness is not enough.
with 5 stats, we can make sure there is at least both 560 toughness and 560 vitality.

Dagins.5163:

More amulets, with 5 unique stats on each?

I would rather say, in PvP should be at most 9 different amulets:

• 3x for damage dealer,
• 3x for bruiser/tank,
• 3x for support.

This is the only way we could have some kind of balance in here. Balacing things with 100 different amulets is literarly impossible; unless all of them are almost identical, but then why so many?

no!
there is nothing wrong with 5 stats amulet!
what the kitten is wrong with you all!!!!

Shirlias.8104:

and finally shown up some1 who put balance over diversity.
brofist

5 stats amulets will not be unbalanced!
you kitten!

Really NO TANK YOU.

Seyiwaji.4082:

Really NO TANK YOU.

why not?
what is wrong with you all people !!!!

the problem is not with the amulets, but the profession !!!
when i try to play celestial tempest, i do not feel unkillable, because i am unable to play tempest properly !!!

the problem is with the profession, not the amulet!

there is nothing wrong with 5 stats amulets !!!

Your Topic ask: do u want 5 stats amulet? how you name them?

My answer: NO, i don’t want.

If you can not see how, this is out of balance

the mediocre healer with some crit
900 power 900 healing power 560 precision 560 toughness 560 vitality

I can not help you anymore.

Seyiwaji.4082:

Your Topic ask: do u want 5 stats amulet? how you name them?

My answer: NO, i don’t want.

If you can not see how, this is out of balance

the mediocre healer with some crit
900 power 900 healing power 560 precision 560 toughness 560 vitality

I can not help you anymore.

yes, i appreciate your feedback.

the mediocre healer with some crit
900 power 900 healing power 560 precision 560 toughness 560 vitality

and how is this out of balance?

there are only 5 stats, not 7.
highest 2 stats is only 900, not 1050 or 1200.

explain.

Controversial opinion: delete stats altogether and then balance the game around the classes’ unique abilities and how well they can each fill a roll. Then the balancing might be simple enough that Anet actually bothers to do it.

no. This makes game awful again like cele did. Cele should be deleted or need to be torn down hardcore like 20% but anet actually just rip them all rather than torning down. And what you are doing here is calculation of 5 stats based on OPness ammy, cele, which gonna be deleted for being OP.

Even tho 5 stats amulet would be introduced, its stat total should be a lot less than your calculation you calculated upon celestial ammy bases. You said 16% on 5 stats? then I would say 10% if 5 stat ammy would be introduced. Meanwhile, cele would need to be like 13%.

It is just wrong to calculate base stat from OPness amulet.

manveruppd.7601:

Honestly I’d rather they reintroduce jewels, then people will get a little bit more choice and customisation without them needing to have 30 different amulets.

/agreed.

@Deimos Tel Arin
It is fine to have 5 stats amulets as long as there are not more than 9 amulets in total in PvP. You suggested to add one hundred additional amulets, what is very bad for balance.

@Berry Pun Pup
This is an interesting suggestion, although it would take too much freedom of choice from players. For example, I would like to play an assassin elementalist, but I can’t, because devs want ele to be a pure support. Or I would like to play a tanky thief, but can’t, because devs want thief to be a typical burst-or-die class.

There needs to be a compromise between freedom and balance.

Guys you are talking about jewels and new necks.
Don’t you see now with 20+ necks players are using only 3/4 necks?

The point is, adding jewels or new necks will be the same.
Players will use always the best choice, which means:

-kitten celestial like necks, like the one posted by seyiwaji some posts before. Which emulate the old celestial, just removing the 2 worse stats.
-1 zerk neck. Cause berserk neck is not worth it and marauder is way better.

Etc.

We should have specific amulets with 3 main stats and 1 or 2 secondary stats ( vitality, ferocity, concentration and expertise ) due to give specific necks and prevent celestial to come back.

Also, force players to learn how to play.

celestial is fine.
shame they removed it.

its okay, they can give us 5 stats amulets.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Saiyan.1704:

The Drunkard
1050 Concentration
1050 Expertise
560 Vitality
560 Condition

Takes Concentration to function, Expertise to do it right, Conditioning to keep going and Vitality for the fight.

necro will kill it with corrupt boons.
condition clear will make expertise useless.

this build is useless!

I know that’s why it’s called The Drunkard!

Btw I really don’t want 5 stat amulets for reasons already said. There’s a reason why Cele is getting removed. Either it worked foe your class or it was OP. Buffing or nerfing a class around that amulet would have just unbalanced the game, removed build diversity and further disregard other amulets already in placed.

You can’t buff a class around 1 amulet while disregarding others. It’s one of the things why Anet is doing what they’re doing.

Saiyan.1704:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Saiyan.1704:

The Drunkard
1050 Concentration
1050 Expertise
560 Vitality
560 Condition

Takes Concentration to function, Expertise to do it right, Conditioning to keep going and Vitality for the fight.

necro will kill it with corrupt boons.
condition clear will make expertise useless.

this build is useless!

I know that’s why it’s called The Drunkard!

Btw I really don’t want 5 stat amulets for reasons already said. There’s a reason why Cele is getting removed. Either it worked foe your class or it was OP. Buffing or nerfing a class around that amulet would have just unbalanced the game, removed build diversity and further disregard other amulets already in placed.

You can’t buff a class around 1 amulet while disregarding others. It’s one of the things why Anet is doing what they’re doing.

but 5 stats is not 7 stats!
and the 2 highest stat will only be 900, not 1050 or 1200 !

This topic is a great idea. I would also love 5 stats.

Ok peeps we are obviously dealing with a troll here. Esp seeing half of the ignorant posts in this thread by said troll. 5 stat amulets just seems like something a god awful player would want that way they can play some more afk/buttonmash wars 2. There is a reason anet doesn’t want amulets with greater than 4 stats. 1 is cause it makes balance harder. 2 some classes can utilize the multiple stats better than others. Ele for example. I love my ele. But do I feel like it needs a tone down? Yea I do. Cele just is too good on this class. Why? Cause the class is built to optimize on the multiple stats. Esp through boons. Too many stats is just a mess to deal with for any dev on the balancing team. Anyways I said my part.
/end thread

eyesrutherford.1357:

Ok peeps we are obviously dealing with a troll here. Esp seeing half of the ignorant posts in this thread by said troll. 5 stat amulets just seems like something a god awful player would want that way they can play some more afk/buttonmash wars 2. There is a reason anet doesn’t want amulets with greater than 4 stats. 1 is cause it makes balance harder. 2 some classes can utilize the multiple stats better than others. Ele for example. I love my ele. But do I feel like it needs a tone down? Yea I do. Cele just is too good on this class. Why? Cause the class is built to optimize on the multiple stats. Esp through boons. Too many stats is just a mess to deal with for any dev on the balancing team. Anyways I said my part.
/end thread

boons will be countered hard by boon corrupt in the next patch.

i want my 5 stats amulet !!!!!

32%^!#%!%!

I want a 1-stat amulet, specifically a 3k power amulet.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

boons will be countered hard by boon corrupt in the next patch.

As someone who is actively experimenting with a curses/spite super boon corrupt build I can tell you that even with the patch changes there is no where near enough corrupts available to shut down boons. Boons are simply way to easy to apply for many classes.

The Protector amulet

900 power
900 precision
560 vitality
560 toughness
560 ferocity

The Corrupted Amulet

900 condition damage
900 expertise
560 vitality
560 toughness
560 precison

The Druid Amulet

900 healing power
900 vitality
560 precision
560 concentration
560 expertise

you’re essentially asking for flavors of celestial. this is a bad idea.

sinject.4607:

you’re essentially asking for flavors of celestial. this is a bad idea.

hmm u might be right well again

Protector Amulet

900 Power
900 Precision
560 toughnes
560 Ferocity
560 concentration

Corrupted Amulet

900 Condition Damage
900 Vitality
560 Expertise
560 precison
560 concentration

Water Amulet

900 Healing Power
900 Concentration
560 toughness
560 power
560 expertise

no power and condition damage in the same amulet and no toughness and vitality in the same amulet.

the last one is still a bit for sustain but it should be able to be bursted down. the 560 toughness will prolly give it 2.5 to 2.7 toughness on average instead of 3 k plus and protection.

2 stata must be chose between ferocity, vitality, concentration or expertise.

Or it will be like having back celestial.

wats wrong with having both 560 tohgness and vitality togethet ???

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

wats wrong with having both 560 tohgness and vitality togethet ???

it will prolly become another celestial amulet esque type with 5 stats. and since some classes have way more sustain then other classes. If marauder scrappers are already a pain. imagine one with toughness and vitality in the same amulet for example.

better play it safe and have toughness and vitality not in the same stat with 5 stat amulets.

Anet deleted also my non offensive message which claimed some players on forum play dumb and asking modifies, aiming to bring back celestial neck.

I do respect players who write about modifies which could bring balance to the game, but not who tries to avoid fixes somehow.

Also when is obvious that someone is trolling or pretending unbalanced mods instead searching for balance.

Really sad, anet.

Ps: also get a warning for a completely polite post… gah…

Edit: due to respect, is only me who see that op is aiming for a new celestial? Just to know and let anet know.

The real problem with celestial producing OP builds was having a much higher total of allocated stats. Never really understood the justification behind this.

The HoT tank meta wasn’t directly caused by celestial – it was elite spec traits and skills scaling too well with toughness / vitality. However, the only guaranteed way to stop the tanky meta was to remove the defensive amulets. Otherwise season 2 still ran the risk of being another boring tank meta.

celestial amulet is fine.
having a much higher total of allocated stats is fine, because each stat
is only 560,
not 1200, 560 is only 46.67% of 1200
not 1050, 560 is only 53.33% of 1050
not 900, 560 is only 62.22% of 900

if celestial pvp amulet is overpowered, then all 9 profession who uses celestial pvp amulet will be over powered.

however, this is not true.
for example,
my warrior who uses celestial pvp amulet still dies easily.
my thief who uses celestial pvp amulet cannot tank on a point.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

celestial amulet is fine.
having a much higher total of allocated stats is fine, because each stat
is only 560,
not 1200, 560 is only 46.67% of 1200
not 1050, 560 is only 53.33% of 1050
not 900, 560 is only 62.22% of 900

if celestial pvp amulet is overpowered, then all 9 profession who uses celestial pvp amulet will be over powered.

however, this is not true.
for example,
my warrior who uses celestial pvp amulet still dies easily.
my thief who uses celestial pvp amulet cannot tank on a point.

Yeah we all know that the real problem lies with how well certain builds and classes synergise with certain amulets. But the simple fact is that A-net balances the game around 3 game-modes. In order to keep both pve and both wvw happy. They’d remove the amulets that are also part of the bunker meta problem.

Celestial esque amulets simply do not work with how things are currently handled. rather remove them and introduce new ones.

I think it’s a lazy fix. But unless the balances is an major overhaul keeping these kinds of amulets will change nothing.

its been a while since i came back to this topic but i’m back yay!

in season 3 please consider adding some 5 stats amulets!

thanks!