Guild Wars 2

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so what your saying is sense you are so many skill lvls below everyone else you have the right to ask for nerfs and because you are so stubburn you dont need to L2P you just want it made easier for your skill lvl.??? sorry man i dont agree with you.

LOL, you are a joke. How am I below other ppl when I beat them in duels?
No one would be asking for nerfs if ANET did their balancing and communication job properly. If they introduce proper ranked ques and show ppl that each class has approximately fair statistical representation in top ranks there will be no need to discuss balance. Ppl will KNOW it is balanced (or that ANET knows it is not balanced but they are working on balancing it). What frustrates people is lack of objective measure of balance and fumbling in the dark that ANET is doing while calling it balancing.
Everyone knows game is not balanced now in any setting, be it 1v1 or 5v5. In 5v5 you simply have severe over-representation of mesmers and guardians. And you have severe under-representation of some other classes (yes, the fact that you have few players of each class means pretty much nothing balance wise). That is called ‘lack of balance’ whether you understand it or not.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

also you said because i got killed but won the match that means the person that killed me is a perfect player and doesnt need to L2P??? sorry man i dont agree

I did not say he is a perfect player. I said you have no business telling him to L2P. Yes, everyone can always improve further but that is not what L2P means.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

and because i made it to the top of the QP leaderbords and im excited i cant go and say ty to the ppl that helped me get there because its embarrassing??? sorry man i dont agree.

LOL, QP is meaningless crap, a grind metric. You play ton of games you get ton of QP. Some team beats you in 80% encounters but plays much less, they get less QP. That is called ‘meaningless grind metric’. The fact that you think it means something tells us that you have no clue.
You do not even understand that 99.9999% of players do not (or very rarely do) even play 5v5 nonsense (especially not paid tpvp). In that majority there are better players than you and your tpvp buddies. Sorry to burst your bubble.
They just do not participate in your 5v5 nonsense because they find it inconvenient and mostly boring. They do what is fun (convenient) to them.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

were not all on the same skill lvl which im sure your aware of but that is no reason to nerf nerf nerf so until you find me this super op class then im sick and tired of hearing these nerf this and that post thats all im saying.

Nerfing and buffing is the same thing. To give you example:
Imagine you have 50% of mesmers in top rankings, and you have 7% of all other classes. Then all classes are actually balanced EXCEPT mesmer. Now, you could buff everyone else and leave mesmer as is, or you could nerf mesmer. It would be stupid to buff everyone else because you risk imbalancing 7 balanced classes (very likely) just to avoid nerfing one to bring it to balance. Also it is much more work to change 7 classes instead of 1. So, naturally, you will nerf mesmer untill mesmer has approximately the same representation as other 7 classes (i.e. they all have approximately about 12.5% representation in top rankings).

Until ANET puts in PROPER ranked ques (rankings that depend on skill, not grinding like QP does) for 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 we will not have objective measure of where we are balance wise.

In the meantime everyone is free to express his opinion. If you are tired of it, do not read. Who are you to tell ppl to stop expressing their subjective opinions, since you are not offering anything objective either. What you or your buddies think is irrelevant subjective thing, you are pretty much nobody like everyone else. Only statistical representation in top rankings is objective and will convince players that balance is there (and we know it is not currently).

We need ranked ques and good statistical sample at the top (about 500 players) and enough games played (1000 would be nice) to know. Until then we can just express our subjective opinions.

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

And still with you “top 100” bullkitten?
This is a kittening MMO no some type of FPS, based on what these top 100 would be classified? Kills?Revivals? Points defended? Assaults?
So let’s assume the top 100 is based on number of kills, the majority of players would be thieves or warrior as they’re profession centered around offense, yeah so now it seems thieves and warriors are OP, nerf them!
Give me a break you and your top 100 crap! This is not Call of Duty 2!
This is a teambased game, get it already !

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

ok lets use baseball as a better example because i think your wrong.

a catcher tells a pitcher how to play because he knows what a pitcher is capable of. even though a catcher is not a pitcher.

so no you do not need to be in somones shoes to know how they walk sorry i just dont agree with you. and every coach in the world will also. many coches never played the game but know how it should be played.

and dont worry about my attitude your wrong on that also.

but ty for your opinion i hope you look past my so called attitude and realize with the evidence i stated you dont need to play all 8 classes to understand them.

A catcher and a pitcher play different roles in a game. The only way the pitcher would honestly take a catcher’s advice is if that catcher was a pitcher himself or he has a godlike throw. Honestly. If you’d really wish to prove your analogy right over Sprawl’s or mine, you have to put yourself in the shoes of another role and see how that works out for you.
In other words, go be an engineer, a necro, something else. If you truthfully can overpower the populace yet again with your understanding of all of them then perhaps you may actually have a say in what to teach. You’ve taught people that they should keep at range from Warriors (As simple information that is..) Now teach warriors how to get up close to other classes without reliance on BR.

Also, you constantly call me “wrong” on opinionated beliefs. Sprawl made his analogy and you consider my interpretation wrong and says that he agrees with you (When you should never be putting words in anyone’s mouth.), thus calling yourself right. Your temperament has been shown throughout the entire forums in which you don’t listen to anyone but yourself and those who agree with you. Such a mindset gives you an entitled belief that you’re superior than everyone else and no one would be as smart or “awesome” unless they bow to you and accept you fully. That’s not how you teach a person to play a game and help this so-called metagame.

Seeing that you will not accept opinions especially when a majority has been arguing with you and how you’re acting rather then your post (showing how your post structure is worded.) I’ve decided to label the thread un-negotiable. It’s like watching a person wish to get into the video game industry to make an “innovative” game when they don’t know the first step, yet continue to say they will do it and it will be massive and awesome. You just can’t talk them out of it without a fight and even then it’s hopeless and they still go in guns blazing armed with an idea and nothing else.

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

You completly missed Mufa point…

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

There is a difference between telling an offense what they should be doing if they make a mistake or to pick up a strategy for the team (Though that’s usually left to either coach or other offense.), and telling the offense to re-read the entire book of offensive soccer tactics.

If you want to tell a person to “L2P” You have to usually be more specific or you end up telling them to “L2P whatever role you’re doing cause you’re terrible at it.” as opposed to “Learn about how mesmer clones work so you could stop casting it out of range and no clones pop up thus you can’t use any secondary abilities.”

Plus, learn to play is more of a rude term, as it’s telling you to learn to play in general, which means “everything you do in a role sucks.” At worse, it means learn to play the game, MMOs, or whatever. So many arguments could’ve been avoided if the OP simply stated “learn to” with whatever afterwards instead of L2P in every single one of his posts -2.

Poplolita.2638:

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

You completly missed Mufa point…

*agree

Poplolita.2638:

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

You completly missed Mufa point…

And what the point would be if He’s talking about Zerg vs Zerg where people go to farm glory?
I believe the profession identities have been fully introduced by Anet, some are strong in offense, some in defense and some in support, what it’s wrong is people who pick a defense oriented profession and expect to kill people as fast as an offense oriented profession…basically a CoD MMO
Again based on what this top rated whatever bullkitten would exist? Top score?Kills?Revival?
What a zerg vs zerg player would ever consider “parameter for balance” if not number of kills? And being this a MMO with team centered gameplay, it’s normal to conclude that people like @Mufa know absolutely nothing about balance

Oracle Fefe.5078:

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

There is a difference between telling an offense what they should be doing if they make a mistake or to pick up a strategy for the team (Though that’s usually left to either coach or other offense.), and telling the offense to re-read the entire book of offensive soccer tactics.

If you want to tell a person to “L2P” You have to usually be more specific or you end up telling them to “L2P whatever role you’re doing cause you’re terrible at it.” as opposed to “Learn about how mesmer clones work so you could stop casting it out of range and no clones pop up thus you can’t use any secondary abilities.”

Plus, learn to play is more of a rude term, as it’s telling you to learn to play in general, which means “everything you do in a role sucks.” At worse, it means learn to play the game, MMOs, or whatever. So many arguments could’ve been avoided if the OP simply stated “learn to” with whatever afterwards instead of L2P in every single one of his posts -2.

While your points are true and completely valid, I think it should be pointed out that I’m not defending the L2P comments but rather some of his meaning. Which is that any class can learn how to play better by getting advice from people who play other classes, as well as the idea that you learn your own abilities and tactics best by playing your Main class primarily.

There IS value in playing multiple classes in terms of understanding Mechanics and the basic limitations/conditional requirements for skills.. but if you try to be a Jack of All Trades, you’ll likely be a Master of None.

But yeah.. he could’ve worded his post a little better but at the same time people could try to focus on his points rather than reading into an “attitude” that they’re gleaning from text on a monitor. The rudeness that’s been going around in this thread goes both ways.

Oracle Fefe.5078:

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

There is a difference between telling an offense what they should be doing if they make a mistake or to pick up a strategy for the team (Though that’s usually left to either coach or other offense.), and telling the offense to re-read the entire book of offensive soccer tactics.

If you want to tell a person to “L2P” You have to usually be more specific or you end up telling them to “L2P whatever role you’re doing cause you’re terrible at it.” as opposed to “Learn about how mesmer clones work so you could stop casting it out of range and no clones pop up thus you can’t use any secondary abilities.”

Plus, learn to play is more of a rude term, as it’s telling you to learn to play in general, which means “everything you do in a role sucks.” At worse, it means learn to play the game, MMOs, or whatever. So many arguments could’ve been avoided if the OP simply stated “learn to” with whatever afterwards instead of L2P in every single one of his posts -2.

you are really reaching here. your trying so hard to make L2P into a negative thing its silly.

i played football all my life and we did read the whole playbook all the time.

keep reaching though until you find out its out of your grasp and when you do realize that can you just acknowledge QQ for NERFS is just as silly as saying learn to play is a bad thing.

@ mufa
please dont call me names of bash ANET. for 1 i dont call you names and for 2 anet gave us an amazing game.

the fact that i even respond to someone that is so clueless on the game is beyond me but here i go.

if there is no statistics like you said then it works both ways dont ask for a nerf sense you dont know facts….

“severe over-representation of mesmers and guardians” please name in the top 20 NA every mesmer and guardian. lol

its hard to improve if you dont learn how to. so can you explain that to me real fast please.

please dont belittle QP because anet put a awesome system in place to show who is winning. and i should be number 2 in QP na tomorrow

next when you keep asking for 1v1 balance dont you ask yourself why you get no reply… let me tell you this is a team game so sorry to be the one to fill you in. its called guild wars so you should L2P this game and i can help you out if you want.

lastly i do have a interest in this game and want to see it in ESPORTS and it will be there and i will be on the top team when it does go there. but for now until it gets there i have to make sure no body of less knowledge try and ruin this game and make it so simple that noone wants to watch it in ESPORTS.

sorry body i will defend this game until the end and i wont let you or anyone else sit there and unjustly demand nerfs just because you dont want to L2P correctly.

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

And still with you “top 100” bullkitten?
This is a kittening MMO no some type of FPS, based on what these top 100 would be classified? Kills?Revivals? Points defended? Assaults?
So let’s assume the top 100 is based on number of kills, the majority of players would be thieves or warrior as they’re profession centered around offense, yeah so now it seems thieves and warriors are OP, nerf them!
Give me a break you and your top 100 crap! This is not Call of Duty 2!
This is a teambased game, get it already !

great reply i read it twice.

Oracle Fefe.5078:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

ok lets use baseball as a better example because i think your wrong.

a catcher tells a pitcher how to play because he knows what a pitcher is capable of. even though a catcher is not a pitcher.

so no you do not need to be in somones shoes to know how they walk sorry i just dont agree with you. and every coach in the world will also. many coches never played the game but know how it should be played.

and dont worry about my attitude your wrong on that also.

but ty for your opinion i hope you look past my so called attitude and realize with the evidence i stated you dont need to play all 8 classes to understand them.

A catcher and a pitcher play different roles in a game. The only way the pitcher would honestly take a catcher’s advice is if that catcher was a pitcher himself or he has a godlike throw. Honestly. If you’d really wish to prove your analogy right over Sprawl’s or mine, you have to put yourself in the shoes of another role and see how that works out for you.
In other words, go be an engineer, a necro, something else. If you truthfully can overpower the populace yet again with your understanding of all of them then perhaps you may actually have a say in what to teach. You’ve taught people that they should keep at range from Warriors (As simple information that is..) Now teach warriors how to get up close to other classes without reliance on BR.

Also, you constantly call me “wrong” on opinionated beliefs. Sprawl made his analogy and you consider my interpretation wrong and says that he agrees with you (When you should never be putting words in anyone’s mouth.), thus calling yourself right. Your temperament has been shown throughout the entire forums in which you don’t listen to anyone but yourself and those who agree with you. Such a mindset gives you an entitled belief that you’re superior than everyone else and no one would be as smart or “awesome” unless they bow to you and accept you fully. That’s not how you teach a person to play a game and help this so-called metagame.

Seeing that you will not accept opinions especially when a majority has been arguing with you and how you’re acting rather then your post (showing how your post structure is worded.) I’ve decided to label the thread un-negotiable. It’s like watching a person wish to get into the video game industry to make an “innovative” game when they don’t know the first step, yet continue to say they will do it and it will be massive and awesome. You just can’t talk them out of it without a fight and even then it’s hopeless and they still go in guns blazing armed with an idea and nothing else.

i only read the first couple lines so sorry for the short reply but i want to get on into smart reply.

a pitcher does take the advice of the catcher. who do you think tells the pitcher what pitches to throw. i guess you never played baseball let me tell you something. a catcher learns how to read body launguage and is so close to a batter that he usually knows what pitch is good to strike out that batter so the catcher tells the pitcher what to pitch with hand signals. sometimes the pitcher says no and the catcher calls an alternitive but the pitcher usually goes with what the catcher tells him. just because the catcher isnt a pitcher does not mean he doesnt know how the pitcher should play. and if the pitcher gets stubburn the catcher walks up to him and tells him whos boss.

please learn more about baseball and life in general. and if you reply with something so wrong again i will stop responding to you like sprawl. im here to make valid points and you trying to discredit my points that nothing needs these nerfs your qq about just because i only play mesmer is so wrong.

i play at top lvl and i see the balance of the game and they are fine. ANET did such a great job at this game if ppl stop abusing bugs and exploiting and just L2P instead of wasting ANETS time trying to make the game easier for you guys then we would already have rankings and everything else. so just stop im tired of it.

Jest.9276:

Oracle Fefe.5078:

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

There is a difference between telling an offense what they should be doing if they make a mistake or to pick up a strategy for the team (Though that’s usually left to either coach or other offense.), and telling the offense to re-read the entire book of offensive soccer tactics.

If you want to tell a person to “L2P” You have to usually be more specific or you end up telling them to “L2P whatever role you’re doing cause you’re terrible at it.” as opposed to “Learn about how mesmer clones work so you could stop casting it out of range and no clones pop up thus you can’t use any secondary abilities.”

Plus, learn to play is more of a rude term, as it’s telling you to learn to play in general, which means “everything you do in a role sucks.” At worse, it means learn to play the game, MMOs, or whatever. So many arguments could’ve been avoided if the OP simply stated “learn to” with whatever afterwards instead of L2P in every single one of his posts -2.

While your points are true and completely valid, I think it should be pointed out that I’m not defending the L2P comments but rather some of his meaning. Which is that any class can learn how to play better by getting advice from people who play other classes, as well as the idea that you learn your own abilities and tactics best by playing your Main class primarily.

There IS value in playing multiple classes in terms of understanding Mechanics and the basic limitations/conditional requirements for skills.. but if you try to be a Jack of All Trades, you’ll likely be a Master of None.

But yeah.. he could’ve worded his post a little better but at the same time people could try to focus on his points rather than reading into an “attitude” that they’re gleaning from text on a monitor. The rudeness that’s been going around in this thread goes both ways.

yes please read into the points here not the so called attitude. ty.

point 1. this game is balanced so please stop asking for nerfs im tired of it

point 2. i play at high lvl play so i know this to be true.

point 3. bugging and exploiting and being new to the game does not make something op.

point 4. if we want this game a ESPORT we need to think about buffing traits and utilities and runes to make more diversity so its more interesting to watch.

point 5. we need to fix all the bugs so ppl can learn there classes full potential.

point 6. dont say a class isnt viable if you havnt mastered it and dont say a class is op if you havnt mastered your class to try and counter the op class.

point 7. SAtaarcoeny is the second best player NA look at the QP list.

point 8. this is a game try and have fun ppl i dont get why you just forgot points 1-6 because i have a sense of humor.

i feel like the game has the appropriate balance of “easy to play, hard to master”, noobs just need to fight against other noobs. considering ranking is on the horizon, much of this discussion will change dramatically over the next month.

a common resource that is useful for new players in fighting games is the dojo—a sparring area where all skill effects, boons, conditions, etc get applied, but when a player’s health reaches zero, it is reset to full. so new players can figure out how all their skills work & see what kind of damage they do in real combat, but without the risk of instant death that makes them rage & uninstall.

so you could join “pub training” rooms to practice against certain things & it could even be the very first place a rank 1 player goes to before they can hotjoin to run through basic exercises ( directed by ANet ) on dodging, healing, interrupts, boons, conditions, aoe, ressing, stomping, profession specific exercises, etc. ( all would be elective, you could jump right in if you want to )

i think if new players even knew more information about all the game systems, they would be more open to learning them, instead of joining a hotjoin, not knowing any of their skills, & getting rolled by rank 40s.

this feature is a pipe dream until they hire more pvp staff, but something to ease the learning curve without detrimentally affecting the game for higher level would be nice.

point 1. this game is balanced so please stop asking for nerfs im tired of it

point 2. i play at high lvl play so i know this to be true.

point 3. bugging and exploiting and being new to the game does not make something op.

point 4. if we want this game a ESPORT we need to think about buffing traits and utilities and runes to make more diversity so its more interesting to watch.

point 5. we need to fix all the bugs so ppl can learn there classes full potential.

point 6. dont say a class isnt viable if you havnt mastered it and dont say a class is op if you havnt mastered your class to try and counter the op class.

point 7. SAtaarcoeny is the second best player NA look at the QP list.

point 8. this is a game try and have fun ppl i dont get why you just forgot points 1-6 because i have a sense of humor.

You comments make no sense whatsoever, by what you say, the game is atm currently balanced. You also say that bugs need to be fixed so you can learn your class’s potential. So yourre saying the game is balanced around bugs? What happens when they fix said bugs, oh wait the game becomes unbalanced again, therefore the game isnt balanced.

Youre saying in point 6 that not to complain about x class unless u master your own class. How can we do that when by your own statement you said we need to fix bug classes to learn their full potential ? By your own statements what you are saying right now is impossible because you said there are bugs, therefore you also have not mastered your own class.

guys im done replying to sataar his bad english and lack of any real life experience with sports make his posts difficult to read and make no sense.

sataar if you want advice on real life sports plz msg me in game and we can discuss because you dont seem to understand baseball, football or soccer seems like you just watch on tv or read articles then post its amusing. so plz whisper me in game . its ok though most gamers wish they were athletes so I understand your desire to feel like you played sports beyond age 13.

i think he might be trolling :x

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

GIVE THIS MAN A GOLD STAR AND A BAGILLION FREE GEMS NOW! Instead of coming to the sPvP forums whining your “kittens” as Anet would so lovely put where I would use the explicative.. GO TO THE MESMER FORUM and ask.. “How do I beat you guys?” One guy came to the forums saying mesmers have to much but a lot of us gave him constructive info on how to fight mesmers… Its not hard… And as far as the whole time warp issue (since people found something new to complain about after SS and the new GCD) is easily countered maybe not how you like it but in the PvP I have done there are a TON of points to cap and keep and if the mesmers entire team is inside that bubble firing away then that just means they have left a whole bunch of points on the map for you to capture… Makes sense right?

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

a pitcher does take the advice of the catcher. who do you think tells the pitcher what pitches to throw. i guess you never played baseball let me tell you something. a catcher learns how to read body launguage and is so close to a batter that he usually knows what pitch is good to strike out that batter so the catcher tells the pitcher what to pitch with hand signals. sometimes the pitcher says no and the catcher calls an alternitive but the pitcher usually goes with what the catcher tells him. just because the catcher isnt a pitcher does not mean he doesnt know how the pitcher should play. and if the pitcher gets stubburn the catcher walks up to him and tells him whos boss.

actually i’ll just respond to this last gem one since it’s so wrong lol. You have clearly never played baseball at a high level, and if you did play ever, there were clearly no pitch calls. A pitcher doesn’t take advice from the catcher. The pitcher acknowledges what pitch he wants to throw. Both the pitcher and catcher and coaches game plan each hitter and how best to attack them prior to the game, most levels the catcher gets the sign from the coach and relays that to the pitcher. So the pitcher is agreeing usually to the first call because he knows that’s right because he knows the scouting report on the batter as does the catcher and the coach. The catcher doesn’t call pitches because he is smarter or better than the pitcher he calls pitches because he needs to KNOW what pitch is coming in order to properly position himself. If catcher is expecting a fatsball and pitcher throws a curveball chances are it will get past him. Pitchers throw whatever they want but obviously they have no way to relay to the catcher without the batter and opposing team seeing the signs. Also the catcher doesnt walk up to the pitcher when they get stubborn, they walk up to the pitcher when signs get mixed, they need to change signs because they think the other team knows them or they want to specifically gameplan for a batter due to a difficult situation (baserunners, etc.)

if you would like to understand more about the relationship between pitchers and catchers, pitch signs, pitching grips, arm motions, or the sport of baseball in general plz whisper me in game I could help you understand the sport better so you dont sound dumb when you try to talk to your friends about what’s going on when you are watching on TV.

thx
Sprawl
-Former D1 Athlete
-Best athlete in GW2 NA, EU

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

And still with you “top 100” bullkitten?
This is a kittening MMO no some type of FPS, based on what these top 100 would be classified? Kills?Revivals? Points defended? Assaults?
So let’s assume the top 100 is based on number of kills, the majority of players would be thieves or warrior as they’re profession centered around offense, yeah so now it seems thieves and warriors are OP, nerf them!
Give me a break you and your top 100 crap! This is not Call of Duty 2!
This is a teambased game, get it already !

He Might be rankles, but what he does understand, but you seem to be far to daft to grasp is metrics. Its awesome you have earned such an outstanding rank in PVP. It is how every unfortunate that you cannot grasp statistics.

So Let me put this in a way you might be able to grasp… Granted I am not holding my breath….

IF you have 8 Teams and of those teams all of them are exactly the same and 3 of those teams win 90% of the time One could argue that those three teams are the most skilled? So it would stand to reason (you do know what that is right?) that the other teams are less skilled?

So if the majority of PVP players in PuG and Paid Spvp are playing the same 2-3 classes and earning the highest over all consistent score It would stand to reason that those 2-3 classes are the strongest classes and the other classes are simply not as strong.

Now that is not to say that you cannot find people that excel at playing even the most underpowered class because you can. It is simply stating that there are classes that are very OP which need to be brought back down to earth. This is not a nerf it is balancing the game.

Now toddle on back to your PSPvP and keep in mind this game is soooo balanced that it can’t get into E-sports because of class balance issues.

FYI Call of Duty is a team based game.

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

qp is meaningless when theres no skilled competition. Sataar was mid/lower tier in QP when paids first came out and every team was playing. As higher skilled teams got bored and quit sataar then began to climb the QP ladder. Not hard to figure out.

Also good teams who dont play during primetime have low to no QP because paids dont pop during their play time.

Also QP is a grind. If a team beats the #1 QP team every time they play them but only plays 1 tourney a night due to wait time, who is better? The team with 50QP who wins 1 tourney a night vs the top team or the team with 600QP who grinds non-stop farming bad teams?

It’s amazing people actually value qp lol.

One of the few things WoW arena did right was their ranking system and games played requirement. Once you established yourself after a reset you could play the minimum 10 games a week against 10 high ranked teams and maintain your rank. Teams that simply played more had no advantage. You could also get a match all hours of the day. The fact paids only pop during a small window during prime time just shows what a joke the system is and how small the playerbase is of people who actually do paid.

@SAtaarcoeny.8476:]

Have you noticed you are not responding to what I write? You just put out more nonsense and brag some more. Now you are trying to argue from authority using the meaningless QP as measure of authority. Dude, no one plays paids, no one cares about them, no one cares about QP. QP do not mean anything to pretty much anyone.

The game is not amazing. It lacks basic infrastructure and autofacing on skills makes it very low skill requirement game. It makes keyboard turn noobs look like they have a clue. It is better than gw1 which completely sucked skill wise (autostick made movement skill irrelevant).

Now about ‘clueless’: I beat ppl who beat you. That makes you much more clueless than me punk. Just because you go grind QP with other no lifers in paids does not mean you have a clue. It just means you have no life.

Denying mesmers and guardians are overrepresented in 5v5 teams? Ok…yeah, you make complete sense.

QP is nonsense, top QP means nothing. Anyone can sit day after day in a game and jump into good teams and farm QP. It is a grind metric in a game played by about 100 no lifers who organize their life around team schedules. 99.999% of ppl in this game have never been in paid, so they have 0 qp. Do no think you have more clue about game than them, there are much better players than yourself in that overwhelming majority, they played much less too.
I explained enough about QP and if you are too impaired to understand, it is your problem. You can be number 1 in QP tomorrow, no one will care (except maybe few other no-lifers as deluded as yourself) and it will not make you have any more clue than today.
This game is pretty dead (even hotjoin has less than 200-300 ppl in it when I usually log in). The game you play (5v5) (free/paids) has even less ppl in it, so it is pretty much dead. ESPORT……makes me laugh. How do you make a game noone cares about an ESPORT?

I know you will ‘defend the game’, you invested your life in it; it means a lot to you. That is sad. I just do not know who you are defending it from, I am not attacking the game. People are just asking for basic infrastructure and basic balancing.

@Arheundel.6451
About your question regarding ranking system:
Ranking system should be similar to what is used in chess, should be completely skill based and independent of # of games played once some minimum number of games is achieved (maybe 10-20 a week).
It should be based on winning/losing only (kills/captures etc are irrelevant).
If ANET has no clue how to do that, let them ask WoW how they did it, since they apparently had some clue.
QP certainly has nothing to do with proper ranking system.

About everything else you wrote: it is just bunch of nonsense, sorry have no time to respond to that stuff.

Can a moderator just….lock this pit hole already?

100% troll…someone argues against him, “person nicely kind legs one 100% agree”
someone agrees with him, “friend of old times respnding 2 be best of many ages”

I don’t want to ruin the other post where they’re gathering names of people to help new players out, but I’ll say it here. How long before Sat goes over there and proclaims, “ideas from head of mine were original to thread?”