Guild Wars 2

I used to disagree with Warriors being “lower tier” after recent patches. But I’m starting to feel it more and more. I’m still able to take people and win 1v1s often, but I am a long time warrior player.

I dont know, the raw damage output just isnt there anymore. Its VERY hard to achieve it. Which is why I’ve resorted to Sword/ Sword.

Defektive.7283:

Tier List v0.0.3 POST PATCH – On going.

Tier S
+ Elementalist

Tier A
+ Guardian
+ Mesmer
- Engineer

Tier B
+ Ranger
= Necro
- Thief

Tier C
-² Warrior (it was suggested this get moved down to an even lower tier)

100% agree.

The lowest ranked professions are the ones with the least profession specific skills (War / Thief / Necro / Ranger have only 1 profession specific skill -their F1 / F2 for the ranger) and the highest ranked professions are the ones with the most prof. specific skills (With the attunements the ele has access to 20 normal skills, Mesmer and Engi have 4 prof. specific skills, and the Guardian has 3).

That’s not a coincidence, the more tools you’ve got in your toolbox, the better obviously.
Maybe introducing new profession mechanism for War / Thief / Necro could bring some balance?

I like how thief got nerfed from top to the bottom.

ZombiesTT.3619:

I like how thief got nerfed from top to the bottom.

How ? The previous “tier list” has the thief at the 6th position and now he’s at the 7th position.

How is that from top to the bottom ? Seems more like bottom to even more bottom to me.

Thief was never ever really anywhere above “average tier” in my opinion.

Yes they have stealth and burst, and in a deathmatch they would be OP.

But GW2 tPvP is not a deathmatch.

Thief currently remains the only class that still cannot fight on point in a point-cap game.

Thoughts post patch, everyone?

For me every class is Average worthy tbh.

Too early for this give it at least a full week under patch and post this again.

fadeaway.2807:

Thoughts post patch, everyone?

I’ld say…

Tier S:
None

Tier A:
+ Ranger
+ Mesmer
Guardian
Elementalist

Tier B:
+ Thief (Well played S/D)
Necromancer
Engineer
Thief (Other Builds)
- Warrior (Better than before, but still not quite there)

Tier S: Ranger (just barely)

Tier A:

+Guardian
Mesmer
-Engineer
-Elementalist

Tier B:
+Necromancer
Thief

Tier Warrior:
Warrior

Rank 46 Thief & Guardian PvPer.

Judging from the past day or so of some solid PvP.

Tier S:

Rangers + hit the mark on this one.

Tier A:
Mesmer +
Elementalist =
Guardians =
Engineers =

Tier B:
Necro +
Thief =/+
Warriors = (LongBow/GS Users do well)

Now that people are trying new builds out, this will very well change as the days progress.

Tier S:
-

Tier A:
Ranger+
Engineers+
Guardians+
Mesmer=
Elementalist-

Tier B:
Necro=
Thief=
Warrior-

Tier S:
-

Tier A:
Elementalist+
Engineers+
Guardians+
Mesmer=
Ranger=

Tier B:
Thief+
Necro=
Warrior-

Ele, engi, Ranger
Guard
Mes
Thief
Necro
War

Tier S
Ranger

Tier A
Guardian
Engineer
Mesmer
Thief

Tier B
Necro

Tier C
Ranger’s Pet

Tier D
Warrior

I’ll update the list on Friday. Give people time to come in and revise / add their thoughts.

Tier S:
None

Tier A:
+ Elementalist
Mesmer
Guardian
Ranger
- Engineer

Tier B:
+ Thief
Necromancer

Tier C:
+ Warrior

Tier A:
+Ranger
+Mesmer
Engineer (not sure, maybe + aswell but i’ll leave it as is)
Elementalist
Guardian

Tier B:
Necromancer

Tier C:
+Thief
-Warrior

Still close to no build diversity.

Tier S:
Ranger

Tier A:
+ Elementalist
Thief
Mesmer
Guardian
Engineer
-Necromancer

Tier B:
Warrior

Tier C:
None

Tier S:
-

Tier A:
Elementalist +
Ranger =
Thief =
Mesmer =
Guardian =
Engineer =
Necromancer -

Tier B:
Warrior

Tier C:
-

I’d actually go as far as to say that we never had a better balance than now in terms of classes with viable builds and we never had more viable builds per class! I love were the game is now!

If they simply focus the next patch on Skills/traits that are never used (there are soooo many that could easily be doubled in effectiveness), GW2 would be in an extremely good place IMHO.

Here are some traits they could look at:

Ele
- Rock-Solid (AoE-Stability is cool, but the investment of 30 into Earth-Magic is so huge, that it needs a biiiig buff to actually be even considered. I could see decent support-builds if it gave 3 sec of Stability and 3 sec of Protection)
- Written in Stone (same as above. I’d probably combine faster Signet cooldown and this one into one)

Warrior
- Physical Training (just bad…)

Necro
- Withering Precision (could be pretty interesting, but the proc-chance and duration is way too low. You should probably be able to at least keep it up on two ppl, so 33% proc-chance and at least 6 second duration)

Mesmer
- Mantras are still way too weak to be used

T1 guardian, mesmer, ranger, ele, thief, engi
T2 necro, warrior

Necro is good, but it needs better viability when its utilities are down.
Warrior is good situationally, but needs better sustain.

Tier S:
Ranger
Tier A
Mesmer +
Guardian
Engineer
Tier B
Ele+
Necro+
Thief+
Tier C
Ranger Pet
Tier Warrior
Warrior

Tier S: Mesmer, Ranger
Tier A: Guardian, Engineer, Elementalist
Tier B: Thief
Tier C: Necromancer, Warrior

R29 Necro perspective. I feel completely outclassed as of late.

Actually this tier-list should be splitted into sPvP (hotjoin/custom-servers) and tPvP. Because the builds vary for these sections. That’s why mesmer in sPvP has a higher state as in tPvP, just because of the utilities he’s forced to use (portal, IoL). Also necros are not able to show their real potential in sPvP due no organized teamfights.

Tier S:
None

Tier A:
Ranger +
Guardian =
Mesmer =/- (Decap during Distortion hurts a lot)
Elementalist -

Tier B:
Engi +
Necro =
Thief – (Unsure tho… Only played like 20 matches with s/d right now… )

Tier C:
Warrior + (Still unsure… Maybe give it some days until some new builds have been evaluated…)

tPvP

Tier S:
-

Tier A:
Elementalist +
Ranger =
Mesmer =
Guardian =
Engineer =

Tier B:
Thief +
Necromancer =

Tier C:
Warrior

People still placing ele as best and warrior as worst. lol.

Here is one for after patch>

Tier S:
Ranger

Tier A:
Ranger Pet +
Engineer +
Guardian +
Mesmer =
Thief =
Elementalist -
Necromancer -

Tier B:
Warrior

Tier C:
n/a

+Best
Ranger
Mesmer, Guardian
Engineer
Elementaist
Warrior?
Necromancer
-Worst

Why ranger so hight? Any videos to see or special builds involved on it?

PowerBottom.5796:

- Mantras are still way too weak to be used

well…let’s say mantras just suck as hell…more correct imo xD

Rerroll.9083:

+Best
Ranger
Mesmer, Guardian
Engineer
Elementaist
Warrior?
Necromancer
-Worst

From what I gleaned yesterday burst warriors can just hit harder now, their play style hasn’t been affected much (and frenzy is still substantially nerfed).

The bottom line is if you could run them before you’ll be better off now, but if you couldn’t before you probably still can’t..

Raptured.9307:

Tier S:
Ranger
Tier A
Mesmer +
Guardian
Engineer
Tier B
Ele+
Necro+
Thief+
Tier C
Ranger Pet
Tier Warrior
Warrior

I put Tier Warrior in mine too, but after rethinking it I think Warriors should actually be bumped a step down in that one. Or at least given the minus in it.

Rerroll.9083:

+Best
Ranger
Mesmer, Guardian
Engineer
Elementaist
Warrior?
Necromancer
-Worst

Thieves?

Galvornlach.7539:

Why ranger so hight? Any videos to see or special builds involved on it?

Read the patch notes or play a tpvp round. It’s the new FotM profession. I’ve played at least 15 tourney rounds since patch and the least amount of rangers I’ve seen in a game was 3 out of the 10 players. It’s usually 4, though, and sometimes more. Not saying lots of players= OP, but even a bad Ranger can pose a serious threat in any semi-large fight by just auto attacking and sending in pets, which are no longer easy to kill and do more damage now. They aren’t super OP, 1-shot kill, infinite bunker gods or anything, but they should be toned down just a bit for balance. As is they are too rewarding for how easy it is to play them. And no, I’m not talking 1v1’s. They still aren’t the best 1v1 class but this game isn’t supposed to be balanced around 1v1’s.

About builds, check out signets. They are the way to go now for survivability/ good damage but even spirits are viable in most teams as they bring a huge damage bonus to group fights now.

And finally, I think, with the exception of rangers being a bit over-the-top and warriors still being a bit below (although they are getting there), this is the most balanced the game has been in a while. Great job, Anet.

Tier S:

Rangers +

Tier A:

Guardian =
Eles -
Mesmer-
Engineer =

Tier B:

Thief +
Necromancer =
Warrior +

Lol at these charts how misguided. It’s Mesmer > the rest | get your facts right boyz.

1, mesmer
2, engi
3, guard, ele, ranger
6, necro/thief
8, warrior

But the gap is now closer so balance is way better ths=an before imo. The gap between thief/necro and mesmer isnt that large imo.

Lordrosicky.5813:

1, mesmer
2, engi
3, guard, ele, ranger
6, necro/thief
8, warrior

But the gap is now closer so balance is way better ths=an before imo. The gap between thief/necro and mesmer isnt that large imo.

This is about how I see it, though I think Engi is probably sharing the same tier as Guardian, Elementalist, Ranger right now.

Wallach.7291:

Lordrosicky.5813:

1, mesmer
2, engi
3, guard, ele, ranger
6, necro/thief
8, warrior

But the gap is now closer so balance is way better ths=an before imo. The gap between thief/necro and mesmer isnt that large imo.

This is about how I see it, though I think Engi is probably sharing the same tier as Guardian, Elementalist, Ranger right now.

Yeh. Plus it is early and I havent really played much in try hard mode since the patch so…..hard to say for sure.

Tier S:
-Ranger+

Tier A:
-Guardian=
-Mesmer=
-Ele-

Tier B:
-Thief+
-Engineer=
-Necro+

Did i missed any class? Hm..who care about it

Tier S:
- Mesmer

Tier A:
-Thief
- Ranger
- Guardian
- Ele
- Engi

Tier B:
- Necro
- War

Not sure why rangers should be in tier S .

1.Mesmer,Thief
2.Engineer, Guardian,elementalist
3.Necromancer, ranger
4.Warrior

Ranger on highest tier, you guys are crazy… spirits viable, hahahaha. Dont really know when pets dmg got increased. The update only changed some activation times ( 2s to 1,5… really huge difference…) and added some health and toughness to some pets, so they don’t get oneshotted if not playing a beastmaster.
Rangers are only good when the player who plays em is good. I tried mesmer once and was owning ppl from game 1, without even knowing what i was really doing…
I think most ppl who think that rangers are the best class are pve players who just got in spvp and dont have a clue what they are doing… Most ppl, not all. Bunker rangers might be a bit overpowered, but not nearly like ele bunker in its prime, but the class in total, not even close

The Ranger pouting will pass, people are just running into more BM builds due to the signet changes and probably haven’t run into them before. They’ve always been one of the best 1v1 classes in the game as BM and the signet buffs have many more folks out there trying it.

I’m just curious what changed this patch to make rangers got from tier B+ all the way up to tier S for some people.
Since the builds haven’t changed AT ALL. The only class that changed was ele really. So on the tiering list (posted by the OP), the ele should move down to A, and logically, rangers remain at B+, because NOTHING has changed since then, not even increased effectiveness (they are equally as effective as they were).

Well, i guess so, Wallach. And signets arent that great…signet of renewal is pretty much always on passive and stone needs too much investing to be useful. That combined with 30 in wilderness survival to get that nice condition removal (1 per 10 or all conditions to pet is good but not ‘great’) leaves little customization left.

jcbroe.4329:

I’m just curious what changed this patch to make rangers got from tier B+ all the way up to tier S for some people.
Since the builds haven’t changed AT ALL. The only class that changed was ele really. So on the tiering list (posted by the OP), the ele should move down to A, and logically, rangers remain at B+, because NOTHING has changed since then, not even increased effectiveness (they are equally as effective as they were).

I wouldn’t say that. The signet changes made BM builds a bit better than they were previously. Still, it’s not enough to really change their placement since it’s a role they were already going great at while none of the other roles got any meaningful changes. They aren’t capable of doing anything new, even build-wise.

And greatsword buffs were needed in order for them to get some playtime, they still do only decent to low dmg, but i guess the evade is nice

only signet that got better was the stone one (why would you activate signet of renewal, pets are too stupid to really benefit from 25% more dmg and that shout sick em is much better if you wanna use this skill for his active part), other classes got signet buffs aswell… so this is can not be the reason why rangers are so ‘OP’ now