Even D/D eles can kill Necromancers. Depending on the situation, it might be slightly more in favor of the necro, and necros make it harder for Eles in a team fight, but they’re pretty much as niche-anti-elementalist as it gets and STILL just hits the mark. For once Necromancer has a real attrition role.
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um so generally which is OPest? Signet necro or dd cele ele? I just wanna play OP class right now
By far Ele, that’s not even a question, even if Cele Necro can stand toe to toe with Cele-ele a bit better than others, Cele Ele is by far better.
Good signet necromancer can kitten stomp a cele ele 1v1 all day long. Period. They have condi-tranfer to handle condi builds and a lot weakness to handle power houses.
Can’t say the same for teamfights.
More OP? Technically, yes. But eles are just as powerful alone as in a group.
oh common, just give me clear asnwer guys~ i just need more winrate so i need to run current’s most op class
We have: it’s D/D Celementalist. By far the strongest build in the game.
Cele Signet Necro is basically the one build that has a good shot at beating it, but that build has a host of weaknesses that other professions exploit.
oh common, just give me clear asnwer guys~ i just need more winrate so i need to run current’s most op class
We have: it’s D/D Celementalist. By far the strongest build in the game.
Cele Signet Necro is basically the one build that has a good shot at beating it, but that build has a host of weaknesses that other professions exploit.
it sounds like both are op in general, but i will try signet necro since i didn’t lost to dd cele ele but lost to signet necro. !
Skilled signet necro against skilled d/d ele is roughly 50/50. Ask Nos or Phantaram about their multiple duels.
At my level I take some risks to cross the ring of fire and try throwing 6/9+ burning stacks with some other condi to cover up. But if the ele is aware of it he just has to dodge (or just break line of sight if I couldn’t catch him in a bad position).
If I don’t take that risk, I often end up losing the attrition war: I lack transfers to throw burning back every time the ele goes into fire, and small stacks can’t put a dent in the ele’s sustain, or if it could it might be quickly cleansed. That’s why in these encounters I have to be sharp enough to remember previous attunements so I can predict possible follow ups and hit with chill / boon corrupts at the right time. Otherwise it’s meaningless and the ele just rebuff himself.
Not to mention the RNG of boon corruptions: when the ele has so many boons on him and you want to corrupt stability or the growing stacks of might, it’s not a good idea to use all signets at once. Also, good luck in baiting dodge rolls so you can land path of corruption on CD. Good eles always have a mean to avoid it when you go into Shroud.
So please don’t say cele necro counters d/d ele when it’s roughly 50/50.
Balance team is a bunch of clowns, hurting the game to the full extent of their abilities.
oh common, just give me clear asnwer guys~ i just need more winrate so i need to run current’s most op class
We have: it’s D/D Celementalist. By far the strongest build in the game.
Cele Signet Necro is basically the one build that has a good shot at beating it, but that build has a host of weaknesses that other professions exploit.
it sounds like both are op in general, but i will try signet necro since i didn’t lost to dd cele ele but lost to signet necro. !
If you lose against my friend’s LB Ranger, does that make it OP too?
Skilled signet necro against skilled d/d ele is roughly 50/50. Ask Nos or Phantaram about their multiple duels.
At my level I take some risks to cross the ring of fire and try throwing 6/9+ burning stacks with some other condi to cover up. But if the ele is aware of it he just has to dodge (or just break line of sight if I couldn’t catch him in a bad position).
If I don’t take that risk, I often end up losing the attrition war: I lack transfers to throw burning back every time the ele goes into fire, and small stacks can’t put a dent in the ele’s sustain, or if it could it might be quickly cleansed. That’s why in these encounters I have to be sharp enough to remember previous attunements so I can predict possible follow ups and hit with chill / boon corrupts at the right time. Otherwise it’s meaningless and the ele just rebuff himself.
Not to mention the RNG of boon corruptions: when the ele has so many boons on him and you want to corrupt stability or the growing stacks of might, it’s not a good idea to use all signets at once. Also, good luck in baiting dodge rolls so you can land path of corruption on CD. Good eles always have a mean to avoid it when you go into Shroud.
So please don’t say cele necro counters d/d ele when it’s roughly 50/50.
I’ve gotten over trying to explain it. People forget, while 1v1 Cele Necro can corrupt a lot of boons and transfer, Ele have a decent amount of evades, Burns deal damage fairly up-front and they have a decent amount of blinds and condition removal, but hey, necromancer SOUNDS like it should hardcounter Ele, so it must be true…
Fact is, it’s fairly even, but CeleNecro does have an advantage agaisnt Ele versus other builds, but also has far more weaknesses. And I read somewhere someone said they have the same sustain as CeleEle…..???? Not even close…
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Yes cele necro can easily go toe to toe with ele thats true. The thing is they don’t bring the support that an ele can and they are no where near as mobile.
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So… Cele can 1v1 any profession and build combination except for Cele Signet Necro. But Cele Signet Necro cannot 1v1 any CC heavy profession, any profession that can keep itself at a consistent range (Ranger/Thief/Mesmer) and has a hard time dealing with frequent blinds (such as versus a D/P Thief).
Just because Signet Necro can stomp Ele doesn’t mean it’s OP. Cele Ele is weak to ONLY that ONE Necro build. That’s it.
Lol stop trying to explain it he’s just calling for a nerfed cos he lost to one a few times nothing more.
It’s very clear on the forums who is good and who is still learning.
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Signet necro is extremely strong and doesn’t have any real counters. It’s tanky, applies plenty of weakness to counter power, constantly transfers conditions making it a very strong threat to condi-bunkers. A constant application of chill and cripple so it can kite or chase. It has everything you can want in a 1v1.
As I said, it’s only weakness is that it’s not super strong in team fights.
Lol stop trying to explain it he’s just calling for a nerfed cos he lost to one a few times nothing more.
It’s very clear on the forums who is good and who is still learning.
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Signet necro is extremely strong and doesn’t have any real counters. It’s tanky, applies plenty of weakness to counter power, constantly transfers conditions making it a very strong threat to condi-bunkers. A constant application of chill and cripple so it can kite or chase. It has everything you can want in a 1v1.
As I said, it’s only weakness is that it’s not super strong in team fights.
it’s still a necro though. so cc will still work.
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Yes cele necro can easily go toe to toe with ele thats true. The thing is they don’t bring the support that an ele can and they are no where near as mobile.
I don’t think it’s OP but I do think it’s very strong against certain builds. I got my kitten handed to me by a cele signet necro when I was on my flamethrower engineer. All those burns returned… I was rather mortified when I hit the floor. Really should have seen it coming doh.
Lol stop trying to explain it he’s just calling for a nerfed cos he lost to one a few times nothing more.
It’s very clear on the forums who is good and who is still learning.
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Signet necro is extremely strong and doesn’t have any real counters. It’s tanky, applies plenty of weakness to counter power, constantly transfers conditions making it a very strong threat to condi-bunkers. A constant application of chill and cripple so it can kite or chase. It has everything you can want in a 1v1.
As I said, it’s only weakness is that it’s not super strong in team fights.
Learn to CC and blind… Necromancer has very slow cast times on just about all of their skills. Blinding them will negate a lot of their damage. Trust me I’ve got over 2.2k hours in a Necro and I know how irritating frequent blinds are. Same with CC. You can bring multiple stunbreaks but you’re still never going to have invuln or blocks to avoid the damage that follows a CC.
Don’t hit a Necro when he/she is glowing green it fills their Death Shroud. Blind spam, CC spam, interrupt their heal, interrupt Life Transfer, GG, Necro is now screwed.
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I would say 2~3 times OPer than dd cele ele.
So,
necro > dd cele ele >= new revenant > all other classes.
Oh so you’re saying that Necro can also heal allies, aoe might stack, aoe give protection, 1vX for days and rotate extremely fast? Oh wait, necro is just good (i’d say OK, not Good, personally) at 1v1s? Ya, soooooo OP… lol maybe try playing the class before you start flaming it on the forums.
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In all honesty, the Signet Necromancer build is much stronger if you drop Curses, remove Signet of the Locust, and put in Blood Magic. Add Wurm + Spectral Walk and you’ve a profession with lots of mobility and survivability but still with the ability to might stack and boon strip.
In all honesty, the Signet Necromancer build is much stronger if you drop Curses, remove Signet of the Locust, and put in Blood Magic. Add Wurm + Spectral Walk and you’ve a profession with lots of mobility and survivability but still with the ability to might stack and boon strip.
I’m inclined to disagree. I tried the cele signet build with blood, death, and even reaper, instead of curses, and each time it felt quite badsince without extremely high weakness uptime, you take way too much damage as cele vs. zerker warriors/thieves/mesmers. Plus path of corruption is amazing, and the passive signet proc is extremely helpful if you get condi-bombed in a teamfight since its your only transfer that works in DS.
The reaper build I tried really couldn’t survive well enough without weakness in my opinion, so I had to use soldiers instead. But granted RS2 in its current state is really hard to use path of corruption with, so it didn’t feel like I was losing too much after changing to a tankier amulet.
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Apparently, to some genius in the necro forum signet necro is a bad build because 13 people voted it to be meta.
Yeah that’s silly. It’s not ‘bad’, but its equally silly to call it meta just because abjured won a tourney with it. They’ve played together for a long time and won using a fairly silly set up, which defines every reason I hate Conquest. 4 bunkers (with mostly unique purposes, outside of the 2 identical elementalists) and abusing the speed of a thief to just decap all over the place. Regardless, smarts and team play won, legitimately, but it doesn’t make the Necromancer a top-amazing build, if not for Toker, I’m not sure it would have been such a landslide.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
It is very powerful. Except when it gets hard focused. Like all necromancers current weakness, they cannot handle 3-4 players smashing their faces.
I don’t know what you play, but every profession I play gets smashed in when I 1v3+
Though, Sig. Necro doesn’t have anyway to escape from fights, and kind of has to commit to every fight they enter. I think the only viable escape option Necro’s have is the Wurm.
