Guild Wars 2

are you talking to me? i was once at the top 200 in teamq and top 500 in soloq then i stopped playing because of some things i needed to d irl. the nerf to the spirit build was completely unfair after what they did to engineers and ele’s. they overnerfed the ranger class and overbuffed the others. i find it unfair and that is my opinion.

I been telling people spirit ranger still op since September, I actually played 5 hotjoins and 1 tpvp solo q and won all the games. Had zero issues fighting anyone and was dominating them instead.

I haven’t played since September. I whooped everyone.

Inscrutable.8347:

Most of you ppl have no idea what chokepoints, kiting, peels, overextending, or LoS is, so how can you be qualified to determine what is OP or not, or if a class is viable or not.

The threadopener was playing in Tol btw.
We dont say ranger isnt viable, we say there are better options or easier to play professions which give better results.
But what i really hate are such son of a …. like you who insult others to be noobs.
You wont be able to play top 100 if you dont know how to kite, peel and blablabla , nbut i guess you where won of this tards which unload their whole burst in the rangerevadeskills while complaining how OP spiritranger or BM or whatever was.

I still can not get over the pet damage nerf?? Like running in circles was to hard….

Valentin.2073:

are you talking to me? i was once at the top 200 in teamq and top 500 in soloq then i stopped playing because of some things i needed to d irl. the nerf to the spirit build was completely unfair after what they did to engineers and ele’s. they overnerfed the ranger class and overbuffed the others. i find it unfair and that is my opinion.

Can we get another video of your prowess with the extreme skill required ranger class. Was an inspiration to everyone on how to successfully play a power ranger

thx

Valentin.2073:

are you talking to me? i was once at the top 200 in teamq and top 500 in soloq then i stopped playing because of some things i needed to d irl. the nerf to the spirit build was completely unfair after what they did to engineers and ele’s. they overnerfed the ranger class and overbuffed the others. i find it unfair and that is my opinion.

Top 100 EU and Top 50 NA is the only place where informed opinions are actually formed.

The threadopener was playing in Tol btw.
We dont say ranger isnt viable, we say there are better options or easier to play professions which give better results.
But what i really hate are such son of a …. like you who insult others to be noobs.
You wont be able to play top 100 if you dont know how to kite, peel and blablabla , nbut i guess you where won of this tards which unload their whole burst in the rangerevadeskills while complaining how OP spiritranger or BM or whatever was.

Nope I was too busy killing their teammates while they went afk on the home node like morons.

Can we get another video of your prowess with the extreme skill required ranger class. Was an inspiration to everyone on how to successfully play a power ranger

thx

This implies he made a fail video can you link pls i wanna see XD

Well, it can’t get any worse than it is currently.

…right?

@Inscrutable
How many videos contributing to community discussions have you bothered to make?

inscrutable is obviously flamebaiting.

Inscrutable.8347:

If you’re good at ranger you’ll still have a place on any team that wins in Team Q and be able to win in Solo Q.

Most of you ppl have no idea what chokepoints, kiting, peels, overextending, or LoS is, so how can you be qualified to determine what is OP or not, or if a class is viable or not.

That’s why the best players can go afk for months and still destroy all of you in tournaments. QQ moar pls

Mate we are only good in small fight’s take us to team fight and there better off taking something else.

We are decent in 1v1 and 2v2, but we run into backpoint problem’s a good Warrior running right backpoint build will still beat any ranger build 1v1 due to Str/Battle combo just way over the top, we also run into build problem’s to become mobile we have to take Signet or Horn both which hinder our 1v1 builds rather largely and there no point being backpoint if your not mobile, and I’ve heard rangers try and say they use the Sword to move around the map but swiftness will still beat the sword movement, sword is only useful for escapes.

Now what do you do when you run into Point Holding decap Engi with bubbles, if you have SB your useless vs him and if your say Axe/Dagger – Sword/Torch your still going to run into problems your Pet will be your main damage and due to the type of CC and conditions Decap will apply your pet’s not going to be attacking as much as it is required in order to take down Decap Engi anytime soon. Even if you do kill him his job is done he decapped and capped you gain 5 points for killing him while he gains many many more due to having there home capped and your far decapped.

Now in terms of Team Support there is decent setup for Spirit Ranger taking Mercy rune’s with 10% faster res trait along with Spirits+NR. But your damage is rather weak you can take Ele pump out rather nice DPS+Support. Also there very mobile so they can get from one fight to next in no time where as Ranger running Spirit’s normally doesn’t run Horn ( I do think it’s awesome Team Support).

I have found extremely Strong high pressure build for Ranger, combo’s best with mesmer or necro due to boon remove combo’s.

But Yeah…

Valentin.2073:

inscrutable is obviously flamebaiting.

I tend to agree that I make people mad when I call out their inability to play the class but I am not trying to as a goal.

@ Sol

Thank you for providing a more detailed response that shows an actual understanding of the Ranger class.

I will disagree and agree in your assessment. Ranger is now a bit weaker 1v1 than the previously dominant position it has had over the 2 years that GW2 has been out, but a Ranger can still hold their own for a good while against Warriors and even those Bubble Engi builds. Their matchups are a lot more even than it used to be, so, naturally, a lot of Rangers who got carried by the initial advantage that they had are having trouble outmaneuvering their opponents.

Decap Engis are annoying as hell for everybody though, not just Rangers. It’s pretty difficult to keep one from doing his job of decapping the point, so it isn’t a failing of Rangers to prevent that so much as how easy it is for a team to fall into the trap that Decap Engis are setting.

The skilled players of this game, as few of them as there are, have become a bit smarter than they were a couple years ago. I say a bit because most of the best competitive minds of the game are gone, but I have to recognize that the people who have stuck with the game have learned from experience.

This is manifested by the Decap Build, which has been possible since launch, but wasn’t really used because people didn’t see the tactical advantage of it at the time. Decap forces the other team to look at their rotations differently than “we have a guy to 1v1 at home and everyone else fights mid.” This strategy cuts off the 1 point that ppl have been taking for granted, choking their point flow and potentially keeps them from getting it back if they keep trying to 1v1 him.

So, like Apex was offering as advice, know your limits. If you know you don’t have the ability to kill a Decap Engi fast enough, or prevent the decap, then flip the points. Take their far. If your team rotates toward you instead of getting kitteny and yelling about going far, that Decap Engi isn’t doing his job anymore. If he rotates back to their home, then your team has to rotate to the now-empty home node.

Team Rotation and a Team Character Building Strategy is how you win in this game, and what ends up happening is people fight where they’re weak, don’t use the terrain to their advantage, and rotate where they shouldn’t. They blame the builds and QQ about their class b/c nobody cares to communicate or form teams anymore, so when they get blown out in solo Q or when they get matched up against 5 ppl who actually think, they blame the winner instead of themselves, the loser.

So in conclusion, Ranger isn’t weak by any means – the attitudes and poor strategic minds of self-pitying Ranger players are weak.

@Inscrutable

there we are.
what amazing things bring a ranger to a competive teamfight exept of the spirit build
which get really hard in troubles when a d/d elementalist or s/d thief decide to go for him at the teamfights?
even if you don’t get a early target you are just here in this teamfight with low single target damage still.
compared to everything what can use strengh runes and do high aoe damage
actually it’s not worth any more.
the only realy good thing is still the rez spirit, but alone the healing range is just a joke of it, you have to stay really close to your team mates if you want to give them this heal aswell and to interrupt this rez spirit should be not a huge problem at the moment.

i don’ know how you can talk here like a super experienced player,
i never saw you in any match and don’t even know you as experienced player.

it’s just interesting how easy you blame the ranger players,
(looks like even the good ones) that they don’t play there profession well enough and just got carryed in the past by it, but you do it, right?

it should be verry easy to agree that
trapper ranger is much to weak actually,
every power based build is much to weak actually,
longbow and longsword are bad designed,
shouts are all complete crap,
and at least spirit ranger got just to much nerfs in the pasts, you have to play super perfect now and every fail leads to a fast death. just low reward for high risk actually…
(a team just have 5 places, so why not take a staff ele or d/d ele instead)

btw you saw 55hp monks use there ranger at the last esl? no.
good old ranger players like kanscout, konrad quest and battosai even left the game much earlier.
i also don’t see azron playing a lot ranger last times.
and at least i also don’t want to play ranger in serious games any more after this patch,
the risk/reward is just to low to take a ranger at the moment, maybe if a team have 6 open spots…but not even then.
the still “strong” 1vs1 based ranger builds are not worth to go into a team in my mind, they bring nothing exept of being ~strong in 1vs1, but there is enough other profeesion builds to overshine this on a 1vs1.

i just wonder how perfectly fine the ranger should be in the moment…
for all this super pros answer here they are complete fine with ranger and the rest is just to bad skilled players.
please show me that in some next esl game, or i just can’t take much points serious.

about this:
“I say a bit because most of the best competitive minds of the game are gone”

nope there was/is still really good players in eu, this argument about there is no more good players is just a joke.
the gameplay even improved compared to the past.

cheese mode was a verry good team
55hp monks was/is a verry good team
tcg is a verry good team
and our team esl was also a good team in my mind!

the old competive players was not super hard better then the actual good players.
just watch some old replays of games in the past and compare them with the actual ones.
peoples play really different now, i would say better then in the past.

edit: there is not much decap engis in higher ranked tpvp because it’s not so hard to counter it, like you say.
engi is not the problem for rangers actually.

I’m still amazed i don’t see anyone running Spiders with Malicious Training in SPvP

What would be the purpose of this? Sb/s d has already a good poison uptime and the spider poison is weaker than yours. If you want it for the immob you could also take the drakehound which brings one knockdown too. If you want weakness use axe 3.

Jekkt.6045:

What would be the purpose of this? Sb/s d has already a good poison uptime and the spider poison is weaker than yours. If you want it for the immob you could also take the drakehound which brings one knockdown too. If you want weakness use axe 3.

facepalm

Thanks for your constructive and informative reply. With the amount of awesome posts you made in this thread facepalm is indeed the right thing to do.

Shortbow condi spec does seems to be good in duels. I can say i have a hard time against those rangers.. So not sure if rangers are that bad

nicknamenick.2437:

Shortbow condi spec does seems to be good in duels. I can say i have a hard time against those rangers.. So not sure if rangers are that bad

that’s only because you allow them to flank you. Thus they stack up massive amounts of bleeds in 2-3 seconds.

Terravos.4059:

I’m still amazed i don’t see anyone running Spiders with Malicious Training in SPvP

Because Keen Edge’s free bleeds are great. And most take burst pets to compliment the condition damage.

Jekkt.6045:

Thanks for your constructive and informative reply. With the amount of awesome posts you made in this thread facepalm is indeed the right thing to do.

They were referring to Jungle Spider/ Black Widow by the way, not Spiders in general. Though Terravos wasn’t being clear enough.

One thing I’ve learned in this forums is this: it’s a poor place for discourse. You’re not going to have people discussing topics. They’ll just end up questioning each others qualifications to conjure their opinions. So nothing really gets done.

Just enjoy the game, don’t waste your time here.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

Terravos.4059:

I’m still amazed i don’t see anyone running Spiders with Malicious Training in SPvP

Because Keen Edge’s free bleeds are great. And most take burst pets to compliment the condition damage.

Jekkt.6045:

Thanks for your constructive and informative reply. With the amount of awesome posts you made in this thread facepalm is indeed the right thing to do.

They were referring to Jungle Spider/ Black Widow by the way, not Spiders in general. Though Terravos wasn’t being clear enough.

One thing I’ve learned in this forums is this: it’s a poor place for discourse. You’re not going to have people discussing topics. They’ll just end up questioning each others qualifications to conjure their opinions. So nothing really gets done.

Just enjoy the game, don’t waste your time here.

let us not forget that any opinion not backed by youtube videos featuring you as a player slaughtering 200 horrible uplevels and bads is absolutely worthless.

I see so its about the 4.5 seconds traited immobs x4. Thanks for your replay. Yeah sadly discussing stuff on the forums is hard sometimes. Im amazed that this thread hasn’t been locked yet with all the sarcasm and flame it consists of. But this maybe shows how happy people are with their rangers.

Prysin.8542:

let us not forget that any opinion not backed by youtube videos featuring you as a player slaughtering 200 horrible uplevels and bads is absolutely worthless.

Sorry but 30k maul hits in a normal scenario cant be backed up without it. Especially not if the picture you linked was against a naked downed player.

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

I’m using a trapbuild and if u got skills it works fine as teamplayer and also for solo………. be creative??? Uploaded the build on youtube if anyone wants to check it out…….

Oidmetala.8426:

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

Dude please :‘) I’ve been using a trapbuild for a while and it works fine, u just gotta know how to play……. You can do ALOT of condi damage with the build I’m using plus traps are aoe so it’s nice to use it at midpoint, rangers can also move alot so if u use the abillities u have u can come very far ^^ Oh it also works very good to take farpoint, mostly there’s just 1 guarding it which u can take out pretty fast (one more time) if u know how to play……..
RANGER FTW

Oidmetala.8426:

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

Yes because some whiny ranger who thinks he’s good thinks he knows “the truth” when its pretty obvious that you don’t know how to rotate into advantageous situations.

Nowhere in your “analysis” have you mentioned any understanding of the variety of things your pets can do, which is the unique part of playing your class. Do you time your knockdowns from your wolf? Do you have the micro skill to do that?

Do you just eat a bunch of damage on node, or do you know how to kite and buy some more time before your teammates come in and clean up? Do you time your evades and use energy sigil with Settler’s if you are trying to defend nodes, or do you actually expect a Carrion build to be good at both defending nodes and killing people?

I don’t get any impression that you have anything close to resembling mastery of your class.

necrid.7615:

I’m using a trapbuild and if u got skills it works fine as teamplayer and also for solo………. be creative??? Uploaded the build on youtube if anyone wants to check it out…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PBrXwYGkqE

please don’t tell me you activated your skills with mouse there?.. Oo
don’t looks like high competive matches for me there
and this kind of trapper ranger is verry easy to kill, sry but it is.
i don’t have to be creative to create this oldschool trapper build.

at least the start of your youtube video was funny and also the music was nice.

Jekkt.6045:

What would be the purpose of this? Sb/s d has already a good poison uptime and the spider poison is weaker than yours. If you want it for the immob you could also take the drakehound which brings one knockdown too. If you want weakness use axe 3.

4 Second Immobilize every 20 Seconds, Constant Poison/Weakness/Vulner Uptime (Condition Coverage, which is what actually lets you kill players.) Decent Damage, and Constant Cripple if you’re specced into 20 BM (For more Condition Coverage)

Seriously, Go swap on Malicious Training, and Intimidation Training Right now, and run Forest and Cave Spider right now.

Come back and tell me how it went for ya.

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

Yes because some whiny ranger who thinks he’s good thinks he knows “the truth” when its pretty obvious that you don’t know how to rotate into advantageous situations.

Nowhere in your “analysis” have you mentioned any understanding of the variety of things your pets can do, which is the unique part of playing your class. Do you time your knockdowns from your wolf? Do you have the micro skill to do that?

Do you just eat a bunch of damage on node, or do you know how to kite and buy some more time before your teammates come in and clean up? Do you time your evades and use energy sigil with Settler’s if you are trying to defend nodes, or do you actually expect a Carrion build to be good at both defending nodes and killing people?

I don’t get any impression that you have anything close to resembling mastery of your class.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/4151192
04:10:00
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in tol

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/c/3832982
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs cheese mode

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/c/3832982
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs cheese mode

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/b/522673007
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs lunch box and after that vs 55hp monks

there is much more like this where i played together with my team esl in games like this.
before i can’t see your body in something like this i will not take you serious when you talk like this to me about my player skill.
i never said i’m a super unbeatable player, but i have a good knowledge about tactic and how to play my role as ranger or guardian in this game, so i don’t need your opinion about what i do wrong when i play my ranger, you don’t even saw me playing i think.

i’m pretty sure i have much knowlede about this profession after i played it so long now actually.
the state of power rangers and trapper ranger have nothing to do with good positioning and good player skill.
it’s just not possible to be successful with this builds.
in my mind it’s also not any more possible to be successful like other profession builds can be with a spirit ranger build,
at least it’s to high risk and low reward to play with it actually.

90% of the hole ranger profession builds need (some more some less) help and the rest is 1vs1 bunker based builds which also don’t even work super well.

Oidmetala.8426:

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

Yes because some whiny ranger who thinks he’s good thinks he knows “the truth” when its pretty obvious that you don’t know how to rotate into advantageous situations.

Nowhere in your “analysis” have you mentioned any understanding of the variety of things your pets can do, which is the unique part of playing your class. Do you time your knockdowns from your wolf? Do you have the micro skill to do that?

Do you just eat a bunch of damage on node, or do you know how to kite and buy some more time before your teammates come in and clean up? Do you time your evades and use energy sigil with Settler’s if you are trying to defend nodes, or do you actually expect a Carrion build to be good at both defending nodes and killing people?

I don’t get any impression that you have anything close to resembling mastery of your class.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/4151192
04:10:00
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in tol

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/c/3832982
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs cheese mode

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/c/3832982
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs cheese mode

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/b/522673007
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs lunch box and after that vs 55hp monks

there is much more like this where i played together with my team esl in games like this.
before i can’t see your body in something like this i will not take you serious when you talk like this to me about my player skill.
i never said i’m a super unbeatable player, but i have a good knowledge about tactic and how to play my role as ranger or guardian in this game, so i don’t need your opinion about what i do wrong when i play my ranger, you don’t even saw me playing i think.

i’m pretty sure i have much knowlede about this profession after i played it so long now actually.
the state of power rangers and trapper ranger have nothing to do with good positioning and good player skill.
it’s just not possible to be successful with this builds.
in my mind it’s also not any more possible to be successful like other profession builds can be with a spirit ranger build,
at least it’s to high risk and low reward to play with it actually.

90% of the hole ranger profession builds need (some more some less) help and the rest is 1vs1 bunker based builds which also don’t even work super well.

It’s pretty obvious you got carried. Your rotations were a mix of poor and average from watching the minimap.

Just because you show up to a big game doesn’t mean you did anything during the game.

of course you can do it better boy

can anyone tell me who the kitten is this inscrutable guy? ive never read so much bullkitten from anyone in my entire online life. geez! this guy has a lot of nerves lecturing us on how to play our class. he even tried to give unwanted advices to saizo sol and oidmetala. god kitten annoying.

Let’s put it this way Valentin

You are a Prince.

Helseth is a King.

I am the guy who makes Kings.

that video made so much contribution to this thread, dude.

seriously, the way anet buffed the eles is so hasty. they buffed it to the point that they can just run around in circles with insane mobility and regen. i dont get it why they can have so much sustain and decent dps at the same time. with every patch, pvp just worsens.

lol its instructive to show you the authority that people who are smarter than the “best” and who “rule” can put you to bed without your supper.

Its hilarious that you find ele to be so easy when you would be incapable of doing what you describe they do. You have no idea how to play D/D, let alone S/D, if your tag is any indication you have never been anything but a bad getting carried by easy class mechanics.

Please make a 240p quality video of you playing Ele I want to be entertained Joffrey

necrid.7615:

I’m using a trapbuild and if u got skills it works fine as teamplayer and also for solo………. be creative??? Uploaded the build on youtube if anyone wants to check it out…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PBrXwYGkqE

An engineer using krait rune / the burning on crit will do the same condi damage with the auto attack+#3 on elixir gun.

Take that how you want it

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Inscrutable.8347:

lol its instructive to show you the authority that people who are smarter than the “best” and who “rule” can put you to bed without your supper.

Its hilarious that you find ele to be so easy when you would be incapable of doing what you describe they do. You have no idea how to play D/D, let alone S/D, if your tag is any indication you have never been anything but a bad getting carried by easy class mechanics.

Please make a 240p quality video of you playing Ele I want to be entertained Joffrey

now, you reduce to namecalling. what are you? a 5 yr old? i know how to play ele, i even played that class before the patch and i was surprised on how braindead easy to play that class now.

lol lions do not concern themselves with the opinions of the sheep

dude, all you did is flamebait on this thread. if you dont have anything better to say or probably something that can contribute to the topic, just GTFO. nobody wants you here.

I did contribute. People who need to stop feeling sorry for themselves need to be told exactly what I’ve said. Stop QQing and get better at Ranger.

you are a supporter of another class. you dont strike me as someone who mains a ranger. if you dont care about the state of the ranger, it’s absolutely fine. people who are on this thread have been a ranger main in pvp for a really long time and we would appreciate that you keep your insubstantial comments to yourself. thank you.

Inscrutable.8347:

lol its instructive to show you the authority that people who are smarter than the “best” and who “rule” can put you to bed without your supper.

Its hilarious that you find ele to be so easy when you would be incapable of doing what you describe they do. You have no idea how to play D/D, let alone S/D, if your tag is any indication you have never been anything but a bad getting carried by easy class mechanics.

Please make a 240p quality video of you playing Ele I want to be entertained Joffrey

To be honest, Celestial D/D ele is quite effective simply by spamming through the basic rotations. In fact, both good eles I know right now admit that Celestial D/D is incredibly forgiving and effective after this latest patch.

You can make a case that Ranger is easy to play. But, its also much harder to have a real effect upon a fight now than it was before. Simply by being in the middle of a fight with ele, and rotating properly, you will be spewing boons all over your teammates. That’s not the case with Ranger.

infantrydivEU.9670:

Inscrutable.8347:

lol its instructive to show you the authority that people who are smarter than the “best” and who “rule” can put you to bed without your supper.

Its hilarious that you find ele to be so easy when you would be incapable of doing what you describe they do. You have no idea how to play D/D, let alone S/D, if your tag is any indication you have never been anything but a bad getting carried by easy class mechanics.

Please make a 240p quality video of you playing Ele I want to be entertained Joffrey

To be honest, Celestial D/D ele is quite effective simply by spamming through the basic rotations. In fact, both good eles I know right now admit that Celestial D/D is incredibly forgiving and effective after this latest patch.

You can make a case that Ranger is easy to play. But, its also much harder to have a real effect upon a fight now than it was before. Simply by being in the middle of a fight with ele, and rotating properly, you will be spewing boons all over your teammates. That’s not the case with Ranger.

It’s the Rune of Strength that is the real culprit. We should nerf it.

i just hope that after reading this thread the dev’s would finally be able to see the huge screw-ups they did to the ranger class. the nerf just dont cease.

you see, at least spirit rangers were viable at one point. no power ranger spec has ever been. personally i prefer power specs over condition specs but with ranger its just not possible. if you go for the signets you can dish out like one big hit and be useless after that or you go lb/gs with read the wind and survival of the fittest and hit like a wet noodle.

the damage is just a laugh and taking feline or birds doesnt work because you need the immobs and fears to keep the distance.

power builds were viable prior to the pet nerf, but not based on the strength of our power attacks. it was simply that power traits synergized best with getting the most out of insanely good pet damage ( with a 5,000 leash range ). our power coefficients have always been awful because the pet is considered part of our power damage.

i have been running BM Double Spider for the past two weeks or so. it performs very well. please note that Spider DPS has never been nerfed. comparatively to melee pets, you will get much more damage out of spiders because they also cannot be kited nearly as easily.

the new BM mastery is also strong ( much better than the pet regen mastery ). combined with sigil of renewal you can actually support team with spot offheals in addition to Spring ( 2k from BM mastery, 750 from weapon swap ).

i also use Rampage instead of Spirit. good players are well versed in Spirit counterplay at this point & Rampage counters a lot of problematic builds. Increases potential for actively teamfighting instead of the passive spirit style where just being there is your biggest contribution ( Spirit is still stronger teamfight overall, just saying that Rampage can allow you to contribute to plays when not fighting on the sides ). Pseudo res/stomp utility.

this build in general ruins warriors, which are very common atm ( huge stability & permanent poison / weakness uptime ( easy to reapply both of these consistently through cleanses ) ). a decap engi will also have a sad day when you Rampage and just sit inside his bubbles applying full suite of condis. i also use Travelers to chase if they try to kite the Rampage duration. thieves are not a concern at all. much toughness, poison, burning, healing. should not ever require Rampage for thief duel so steals aren’t a big concern. bonfire zones them out extremely well.

not to mention ( it’s like the best thing about this build ) that the immob stacking is just plain cruel sometimes. chaining a cave spider’s passive immob to black widow passive to black widow active with malicious training means that sometimes a player will literally eat a FULL bonfire if they have burned cleanses too quickly.

this spec plays peeler quite well to boot. spider is constantly crippling, immobing & weakening targets that are on your squishies. this isn’t taking into account axe chill / weak, dagger cripple, sword auto. combine with previously mentioned spot heals & condi cleansing from HS & Sig o’ Renewal.

BM, at least, feels in a pretty good spot right now.

here is the build i’m running: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQRAsY3fjMqUxa/Kusw1aAAhaVA0eGa2Y490etldJbKK-TJhHABPVGw2TCAa7PAwTAAA

If im not mistaken the 55hpm ranger ran something similar to this build in the tol finals. Sadly i heard he didnt play ranger in the latest esl anymore.

2 days ago i fought a strange build in soloq. Idk about the traits and the amulet. Either soldier clerics or knights. S/d with greatsword and pirate runes. The ranger was more of a bunker while the pet and the parrot dealt damage. And that kitten parrot dealt 10k damage in a short fight. Could be kind of a power bm 2.0.
Not sure if viable though, at least not in teamfights.

faeral.7120:

power builds were viable prior to the pet nerf, but not based on the strength of our power attacks. it was simply that power traits synergized best with getting the most out of insanely good pet damage ( with a 5,000 leash range ). our power coefficients have always been awful because the pet is considered part of our power damage.

i have been running BM Double Spider for the past two weeks or so. it performs very well. please note that Spider DPS has never been nerfed. comparatively to melee pets, you will get much more damage out of spiders because they also cannot be kited nearly as easily.

the new BM mastery is also strong ( much better than the pet regen mastery ). combined with sigil of renewal you can actually support team with spot offheals in addition to Spring ( 2k from BM mastery, 750 from weapon swap ).

i also use Rampage instead of Spirit. good players are well versed in Spirit counterplay at this point & Rampage counters a lot of problematic builds. Increases potential for actively teamfighting instead of the passive spirit style where just being there is your biggest contribution ( Spirit is still stronger teamfight overall, just saying that Rampage can allow you to contribute to plays when not fighting on the sides ). Pseudo res/stomp utility.

this build in general ruins warriors, which are very common atm ( huge stability & permanent poison / weakness uptime ( easy to reapply both of these consistently through cleanses ) ). a decap engi will also have a sad day when you Rampage and just sit inside his bubbles applying full suite of condis. i also use Travelers to chase if they try to kite the Rampage duration. thieves are not a concern at all. much toughness, poison, burning, healing. should not ever require Rampage for thief duel so steals aren’t a big concern. bonfire zones them out extremely well.

not to mention ( it’s like the best thing about this build ) that the immob stacking is just plain cruel sometimes. chaining a cave spider’s passive immob to black widow passive to black widow active with malicious training means that sometimes a player will literally eat a FULL bonfire if they have burned cleanses too quickly.

this spec plays peeler quite well to boot. spider is constantly crippling, immobing & weakening targets that are on your squishies. this isn’t taking into account axe chill / weak, dagger cripple, sword auto. combine with previously mentioned spot heals & condi cleansing from HS & Sig o’ Renewal.

BM, at least, feels in a pretty good spot right now.

here is the build i’m running: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQRAsY3fjMqUxa/Kusw1aAAhaVA0eGa2Y490etldJbKK-TJhHABPVGw2TCAa7PAwTAAA

I’ve been telling Rangers for months that I updated BM Bunker a while back and no longer use Cats and Dogs and such but instead switched to spiders after the Damage Nerfs.

Jekkt.6045:

If im not mistaken the 55hpm ranger ran something similar to this build in the tol finals. Sadly i heard he didnt play ranger in the latest esl anymore.

2 days ago i fought a strange build in soloq. Idk about the traits and the amulet. Either soldier clerics or knights. S/d with greatsword and pirate runes. The ranger was more of a bunker while the pet and the parrot dealt damage. And that kitten parrot dealt 10k damage in a short fight. Could be kind of a power bm 2.0.
Not sure if viable though, at least not in teamfights.

He ran my original BM Bunker if I remember correctly (atleast I think it was him)

Which was the old 0/0/30/10/30 build

That worked great right up until they gutted the pets damage.

Part of the reason I switched over to Spiders.

edit

Was close to the old BM Bunker Build

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQRAnY8YjMq0ya/KWsQ0aAMhq9A0pBw7RNVrZXbQBPqA-TJhHwAPLDI4kAge/BAPBAA

Basically he swapped out Nature’s Protection for making his Elite Better

However I still believe

10/0/30/0/30 with Spiders is far far better then the old build now.

I know the devs only read this forum, but the balance forum is over there —→ along with the ranger forum.